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  • it isn't a matter of "male cheerleader", it's a matter of facts.

    Baker, after week 14, has a higher qb rating than watson.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/deshaun-watson-or-baker-mayfield-who-is-ranked-higher-in-nfl-quarterback-power-rankings-after-week-14/ar-AA15jcvn

    btw, both watson and Brissett have tremendous advantage with Amari Cooper. Two threads of Baker bashing, and some guys on here can't handle telling facts about Baker because "he's no longer with the team".

    Right.

    McVay can't teach watson how to have character and love the game.

    That is watson's downfall, off the field.

    He will never be the face of the frachise. For a lot of folks, whether or not he succeeds with the Browns

    won't matter as much as it would have, if the Browns had a true leader at qb.

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by Dutch Oven
    #32

    @calfoxwc said:

    it isn't a matter of "male cheerleader", it's a matter of facts.

    Baker, after week 14, has a higher qb rating than watson.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/deshaun-watson-or-baker-mayfield-who-is-ranked-higher-in-nfl-quarterback-power-rankings-after-week-14/ar-AA15jcvn

    btw, both watson and Brissett have tremendous advantage with Amari Cooper. Two threads of Baker bashing, and some guys on here can't handle telling facts about Baker because "he's no longer with the team".

    Right.

    McVay can't teach watson how to have character and love the game.

    That is watson's downfall, off the field.

    He will never be the face of the frachise. For a lot of folks, whether or not he succeeds with the Browns

    won't matter as much as it would have, if the Browns had a true leader at qb.

    Nothing, and I mean nothing, beats Cheesecake Cal trying to tell us that "its a matter of facts" that Baker is better than Watson by posting an article where some random guy lists Watson ahead of Baker in his power rankings. ?

  • @calfoxwc said:

    it isn't a matter of "male cheerleader", it's a matter of facts.

    Baker, after week 14, has a higher qb rating than watson.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/deshaun-watson-or-baker-mayfield-who-is-ranked-higher-in-nfl-quarterback-power-rankings-after-week-14/ar-AA15jcvn

    btw, both watson and Brissett have tremendous advantage with Amari Cooper. Two threads of Baker bashing, and some guys on here can't handle telling facts about Baker because "he's no longer with the team".

    Right.

    McVay can't teach watson how to have character and love the game.

    That is watson's downfall, off the field.

    He will never be the face of the frachise. For a lot of folks, whether or not he succeeds with the Browns

    won't matter as much as it would have, if the Browns had a true leader at qb.

    I was talking about the guy having a panic attack in the Mayfield thread that said my post was "IDIOTIC" after I compared Baker Mayfield to Colt McCoy.  They're both currently employed to fill in for injured starters. If he can last as long as Colt McCoy has (as a fill-in for injured starter) - it'll be a compliment. I'm not re-writing that post in this thread Cal.  

    Watson WON a National Championship by beating Ohio State by about 28 or 35 points in the playoffs before beating Alabama in the National Championship.  If that's a bad leader that looks like a guy who HATES football to you - you have some strange evaluation criteria.   Then in Houston, he led them to the playoffs twice and made 3 Pro Bowls (w/elite numbers).  The last year he had the highest passer rating in the AFC.  That didn't look like a guy that hated what he was doing either.  The reason he wanted to part ways was because he didn't feel like Houston was nearly as passionate about winning as he was.  

    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
    #33

    @flugel said:

    I was talking about the guy having a panic attack in the Mayfield thread that said my post was "IDIOTIC" after I compared Baker Mayfield to Colt McCoy.  They're both currently employed to fill in for injured starters. If he can last as long as Colt McCoy has (as a fill-in for injured starter) - it'll be a compliment. I'm not re-writing that post in this thread Cal.  

    Watson WON a National Championship by beating Ohio State by about 28 or 35 points in the playoffs before beating Alabama in the National Championship.  If that's a bad leader that looks like a guy who HATES football to you - you have some strange evaluation criteria.   Then in Houston, he led them to the playoffs twice and made 3 Pro Bowls (w/elite numbers).  The last year he had the highest passer rating in the AFC.  That didn't look like a guy that hated what he was doing either.  The reason he wanted to part ways was because he didn't feel like Houston was nearly as passionate about winning as he was.  

    ah, the other thread. OK.

    If you love the game, you don't spend all your time offending 66-69? women.

    Yes, he is tremendously talented physically. But he ruined his own career during and after that time.

  • sydS syd

    @calfoxwc said:

    McVay can't teach watson how to have character and love the game

    WTF where do you come up with he doesnt love the game 0.k we get it you do not like watson but you dont need to make shit up

    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
    #34

    @syd said:

    WTF where do you come up with he doesnt love the game 0.k we get it you do not like watson but you dont need to make shit up

    I say that based on how he offended 66-69 women on his off time.

    not studying the other team. If you call that a leader, I feel sorry for you.

    I couldn't care less about teflon watson - except the browns made that

    stupid trade for him. If you love the game, you don't offend 66-69 ? women sexually.

       Obviously, I didn't make it up. This is the face of the browns franchise, like it or not.

    Watson now faces a 24th suit from a woman accusing him of improper behavior at best and sexual assault at worst. According to a recent New York Times report authored by Jenny Vrentas, Watson met with at least 66 women for massages over a 17-month period and was enabled by the Texans organization with templated nondisclosure agreements and reservations at a lavish Houston hotel in the process.
  • @calfoxwc said:

    it isn't a matter of "male cheerleader", it's a matter of facts.

    Baker, after week 14, has a higher qb rating than watson.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/deshaun-watson-or-baker-mayfield-who-is-ranked-higher-in-nfl-quarterback-power-rankings-after-week-14/ar-AA15jcvn

    btw, both watson and Brissett have tremendous advantage with Amari Cooper. Two threads of Baker bashing, and some guys on here can't handle telling facts about Baker because "he's no longer with the team".

    Right.

    McVay can't teach watson how to have character and love the game.

    That is watson's downfall, off the field.

    He will never be the face of the frachise. For a lot of folks, whether or not he succeeds with the Browns

    won't matter as much as it would have, if the Browns had a true leader at qb.

    I was talking about the guy having a panic attack in the Mayfield thread that said my post was "IDIOTIC" after I compared Baker Mayfield to Colt McCoy.  They're both currently employed to fill in for injured starters. If he can last as long as Colt McCoy has (as a fill-in for injured starter) - it'll be a compliment. I'm not re-writing that post in this thread Cal.  

    Watson WON a National Championship by beating Ohio State by about 28 or 35 points in the playoffs before beating Alabama in the National Championship.  If that's a bad leader that looks like a guy who HATES football to you - you have some strange evaluation criteria.   Then in Houston, he led them to the playoffs twice and made 3 Pro Bowls (w/elite numbers).  The last year he had the highest passer rating in the AFC.  That didn't look like a guy that hated what he was doing either.  The reason he wanted to part ways was because he didn't feel like Houston was nearly as passionate about winning as he was.  

    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
    #35

    @flugel said:

    The reason he wanted to part ways was because he didn't feel like Houston was nearly as passionate about winning as he was.  

    winning a happy ending, maybe. You have the excellent memory, Mr. Flugels, you know what Baker accomplished in college, and with the Browns in 2020.

    Here's some fantasy football team names referring to watson:

    https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-40-best-deshaun-watson-inspired-fantasy-football-names

    Here they are:

    • Turn Down for Watson
    • Watson the Other Side
    • Deshaun of the Dead
    • Deshaun In 60 Seconds
    • Watson the Menu
    • Massaging my Roster
    • Upper Deshelon
    • Deshaun Gotsome
    • Dehand Whackson
    • Deshaun Clemson
    • Watsonder the Towel
    • WatsOn, Whacks Off
    • Deshaunorable Discharge
    • Massaging the Truth
    • DeSwan Waddleson
    • Flex Offenders
    • DeShauns Massage Emporium

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/deshaun-watson-snubbed-by-wife-of-texans-owner-in-houston-return/ar-AA14W8Cm

    Deshaun Watson snubbed by wife of Texans owner in Houston return

    Story by Jenna Lemoncelli • Dec 5
    "In pregame videos, Hannah can be seen turning her back to Watson when he jogged across the field to share a half-hug and a handshake with McNair. The couple was standing with Watson’s current boss, Browns owner Jimmy Haslam. "
    AA14VJQN.img?w=1920&h=1080&q=60&m=2&f=jpg
    "Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson (left) as Hannah McNair (center) looks elsewhere on the field on Dec. 4, 2022.Twitter/Charles Robinson

    Hannah stood on the field wearing a purple dress and matching shoes, which included the logos of the Houston Area Women’s Center — a facility serving local victims of sexual and domestic violence — as part of the NFL’s My Cause My Cleats campaign."

    "In addition to Hannah, Watson received an icy reception from Houston fans, who showered their former quarterback with boos as the Browns defeated the Texans, 27-14."

    *****************************************************

       Regardless, watson is a high caliber athlete - if he wins games wit the Browns, I'm happy for the players. But the disgrace will never end overall. That includes this loser ownership and front office.

     
  • @syd said:

    WTF where do you come up with he doesnt love the game 0.k we get it you do not like watson but you dont need to make shit up

    I say that based on how he offended 66-69 women on his off time.

    not studying the other team. If you call that a leader, I feel sorry for you.

    I couldn't care less about teflon watson - except the browns made that

    stupid trade for him. If you love the game, you don't offend 66-69 ? women sexually.

       Obviously, I didn't make it up. This is the face of the browns franchise, like it or not.

    Watson now faces a 24th suit from a woman accusing him of improper behavior at best and sexual assault at worst. According to a recent New York Times report authored by Jenny Vrentas, Watson met with at least 66 women for massages over a 17-month period and was enabled by the Texans organization with templated nondisclosure agreements and reservations at a lavish Houston hotel in the process.
    OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
    #36

    @calfoxwc said:

    Deshaun Watson is a Scumbag. He Should Never Play Football Again.

    How 'bout baseball?  What if he could hit a curve ball?   Or basketball?  What if he could hit 3's with his eyes closed?  Would he be allowed to do that?  Is it just football?  Like, would he be allowed to run for President?  I mean, he hasn't incited an insurrection or anything, right?  

  • @syd said:

    WTF where do you come up with he doesnt love the game 0.k we get it you do not like watson but you dont need to make shit up

    I say that based on how he offended 66-69 women on his off time.

    not studying the other team. If you call that a leader, I feel sorry for you.

    I couldn't care less about teflon watson - except the browns made that

    stupid trade for him. If you love the game, you don't offend 66-69 ? women sexually.

       Obviously, I didn't make it up. This is the face of the browns franchise, like it or not.

    Watson now faces a 24th suit from a woman accusing him of improper behavior at best and sexual assault at worst. According to a recent New York Times report authored by Jenny Vrentas, Watson met with at least 66 women for massages over a 17-month period and was enabled by the Texans organization with templated nondisclosure agreements and reservations at a lavish Houston hotel in the process.
    sydS syd wrote on last edited by
    #37

    @calfoxwc said:

    say that based on how he offended 66-69 women on his off time.

    so he can multi task so what what honestly if you hate the team so much go find a new one

  • @flugel said:

    I was talking about the guy having a panic attack in the Mayfield thread that said my post was "IDIOTIC" after I compared Baker Mayfield to Colt McCoy.  They're both currently employed to fill in for injured starters. If he can last as long as Colt McCoy has (as a fill-in for injured starter) - it'll be a compliment. I'm not re-writing that post in this thread Cal.  

    Watson WON a National Championship by beating Ohio State by about 28 or 35 points in the playoffs before beating Alabama in the National Championship.  If that's a bad leader that looks like a guy who HATES football to you - you have some strange evaluation criteria.   Then in Houston, he led them to the playoffs twice and made 3 Pro Bowls (w/elite numbers).  The last year he had the highest passer rating in the AFC.  That didn't look like a guy that hated what he was doing either.  The reason he wanted to part ways was because he didn't feel like Houston was nearly as passionate about winning as he was.  

    ah, the other thread. OK.

    If you love the game, you don't spend all your time offending 66-69? women.

    Yes, he is tremendously talented physically. But he ruined his own career during and after that time.

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by Flugel
    #38

    @calfoxwc said:

    ah, the other thread. OK.

    If you love the game, you don't spend all your time offending 66-69? women.

    Yes, he is tremendously talented physically. But he ruined his own career during and after that time.

    ? 3 Pro Bowls and 2 playoff appearances says otherwise.  

  • @flugel said:

    The reason he wanted to part ways was because he didn't feel like Houston was nearly as passionate about winning as he was.  

    winning a happy ending, maybe. You have the excellent memory, Mr. Flugels, you know what Baker accomplished in college, and with the Browns in 2020.

    Here's some fantasy football team names referring to watson:

    https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-40-best-deshaun-watson-inspired-fantasy-football-names

    Here they are:

    • Turn Down for Watson
    • Watson the Other Side
    • Deshaun of the Dead
    • Deshaun In 60 Seconds
    • Watson the Menu
    • Massaging my Roster
    • Upper Deshelon
    • Deshaun Gotsome
    • Dehand Whackson
    • Deshaun Clemson
    • Watsonder the Towel
    • WatsOn, Whacks Off
    • Deshaunorable Discharge
    • Massaging the Truth
    • DeSwan Waddleson
    • Flex Offenders
    • DeShauns Massage Emporium

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/deshaun-watson-snubbed-by-wife-of-texans-owner-in-houston-return/ar-AA14W8Cm

    Deshaun Watson snubbed by wife of Texans owner in Houston return

    Story by Jenna Lemoncelli • Dec 5
    "In pregame videos, Hannah can be seen turning her back to Watson when he jogged across the field to share a half-hug and a handshake with McNair. The couple was standing with Watson’s current boss, Browns owner Jimmy Haslam. "
    AA14VJQN.img?w=1920&h=1080&q=60&m=2&f=jpg
    "Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson (left) as Hannah McNair (center) looks elsewhere on the field on Dec. 4, 2022.Twitter/Charles Robinson

    Hannah stood on the field wearing a purple dress and matching shoes, which included the logos of the Houston Area Women’s Center — a facility serving local victims of sexual and domestic violence — as part of the NFL’s My Cause My Cleats campaign."

    "In addition to Hannah, Watson received an icy reception from Houston fans, who showered their former quarterback with boos as the Browns defeated the Texans, 27-14."

    *****************************************************

       Regardless, watson is a high caliber athlete - if he wins games wit the Browns, I'm happy for the players. But the disgrace will never end overall. That includes this loser ownership and front office.

     
    gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
    #39

    @calfoxwc said:

    Here's some fantasy football team names referring to watson:

    Here they are:

    • Turn Down for Watson
    • Watson the Other Side
    • Deshaun of the Dead
    • Deshaun In 60 Seconds
    • Watson the Menu
    • Massaging my Roster
    • Upper Deshelon
    • Deshaun Gotsome
    • Dehand Whackson
    • Deshaun Clemson
    • Watsonder the Towel
    • WatsOn, Whacks Off
    • Deshaunorable Discharge
    • Massaging the Truth
    • DeSwan Waddleson
    • Flex Offenders
    • DeShauns Massage Emporium
     

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  • @calfoxwc said:

    ah, the other thread. OK.

    If you love the game, you don't spend all your time offending 66-69? women.

    Yes, he is tremendously talented physically. But he ruined his own career during and after that time.

    ? 3 Pro Bowls and 2 playoff appearances says otherwise.  

    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
    #40

    @flugel said:

    ? 3 Pro Bowls and 2 playoff appearances says otherwise.  

    Actually, no, he has the physical talent bigtime - but his lack of playing time - says otherwise.

    And, a lot of qb's would have done better with this wr that watson had for three years (DeAndre Hopkins):

    Meanwhile, more to my point -

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35189366/questions-remain-deshaun-watson-debuts-browns-texans

    "

    ON MARCH 18, the Browns traded for Watson, sending the Texans three first-round draft picks in return. Cleveland then gave Watson a $230 million fully guaranteed deal, the richest contract in NFL history.

    Donisha Greene, the director of community engagement for the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center, said her organization's phones immediately began ringing.

    "It was really heartbreaking at times because you got your lifelong fans writing their notes and saying, 'I've been a Browns fan for 29 years, and this is the first season that I won't be participating in,' so they'd donate the cost of a season ticket," said Greene, who noted that the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center has raised more than $120,000 since March from people who said they were donating because of Watson. "It was a pretty powerful response, for sure."

    "

    Brenda Tracy has followed the Watson case closely. Tracy was raped by four men, including three Oregon State football players, in 1998. She now travels the country sharing her story in hopes of persuading coaches, athletes and administrators to take sexual assault seriously by adopting strict policies on sexual violence and prevention.

    She called Watson's return to the field "frustrating" and the antics of fans "defeating at times."

    "People have minimized the impact on these survivors in a really detrimental way," said Tracy, who has spoken to more than 50,000 athletes, including one NFL team -- the Baltimore Ravens. "Just making a mockery of the trauma and the pain that these survivors have gone through. ... That's all terrible and disgusting, and all it does is just further the minimization of the harm that he did to other human beings.""

    "That was just fine with at least one Texans fan, whose sign read: "I would rather be 1-9-1 than have Deshaun Watson as my quarterback.""

  • tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
    #41

     During the 2020 season, Watson's best one statistically, where he lead the NFL in passing and practically carried the Houston offense -  DeAndre Hopkins was playing for the Cardinals. 

  •  During the 2020 season, Watson's best one statistically, where he lead the NFL in passing and practically carried the Houston offense -  DeAndre Hopkins was playing for the Cardinals. 

    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
    #42

    @tiamat63 said:

     During the 2020 season, Watson's best one statistically, where he lead the NFL in passing and practically carried the Houston offense -  DeAndre Hopkins was playing for the Cardinals.

    yes, they got veteran Brandin Cooks to replace him - a former 1st round draft pick. and still had Will Fuller, also a former first round pick. Both were fast deep threats.

    They also had Randall Cobb:

    and still had his former basketall player TE he liked to throw to.

    and nobody is saying he can't throw and run. He is not worth 230 million guaranteed and 3 first round draft picks.

    Never will be. Yes, he is an exceptionall athletic player.

    but, he is a lowlife sombeitch. Stay tuned. His stink will never go away no matter how desperately he and the browns fo and ownership try to squelch it.

  • @flugel said:

    ? 3 Pro Bowls and 2 playoff appearances says otherwise.  

    Actually, no, he has the physical talent bigtime - but his lack of playing time - says otherwise.

    And, a lot of qb's would have done better with this wr that watson had for three years (DeAndre Hopkins):

    Meanwhile, more to my point -

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35189366/questions-remain-deshaun-watson-debuts-browns-texans

    "

    ON MARCH 18, the Browns traded for Watson, sending the Texans three first-round draft picks in return. Cleveland then gave Watson a $230 million fully guaranteed deal, the richest contract in NFL history.

    Donisha Greene, the director of community engagement for the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center, said her organization's phones immediately began ringing.

    "It was really heartbreaking at times because you got your lifelong fans writing their notes and saying, 'I've been a Browns fan for 29 years, and this is the first season that I won't be participating in,' so they'd donate the cost of a season ticket," said Greene, who noted that the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center has raised more than $120,000 since March from people who said they were donating because of Watson. "It was a pretty powerful response, for sure."

    "

    Brenda Tracy has followed the Watson case closely. Tracy was raped by four men, including three Oregon State football players, in 1998. She now travels the country sharing her story in hopes of persuading coaches, athletes and administrators to take sexual assault seriously by adopting strict policies on sexual violence and prevention.

    She called Watson's return to the field "frustrating" and the antics of fans "defeating at times."

    "People have minimized the impact on these survivors in a really detrimental way," said Tracy, who has spoken to more than 50,000 athletes, including one NFL team -- the Baltimore Ravens. "Just making a mockery of the trauma and the pain that these survivors have gone through. ... That's all terrible and disgusting, and all it does is just further the minimization of the harm that he did to other human beings.""

    "That was just fine with at least one Texans fan, whose sign read: "I would rather be 1-9-1 than have Deshaun Watson as my quarterback.""

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
    #43

    @calfoxwc said:

    Actually, no, he has the physical talent bigtime - but his lack of playing time - says otherwise.

    And, a lot of qb's would have done better with this wr that watson had for three years (DeAndre Hopkins):

    Meanwhile, more to my point -

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35189366/questions-remain-deshaun-watson-debuts-browns-texans

    "

    ON MARCH 18, the Browns traded for Watson, sending the Texans three first-round draft picks in return. Cleveland then gave Watson a $230 million fully guaranteed deal, the richest contract in NFL history.

    Donisha Greene, the director of community engagement for the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center, said her organization's phones immediately began ringing.

    "It was really heartbreaking at times because you got your lifelong fans writing their notes and saying, 'I've been a Browns fan for 29 years, and this is the first season that I won't be participating in,' so they'd donate the cost of a season ticket," said Greene, who noted that the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center has raised more than $120,000 since March from people who said they were donating because of Watson. "It was a pretty powerful response, for sure."

    "

    Brenda Tracy has followed the Watson case closely. Tracy was raped by four men, including three Oregon State football players, in 1998. She now travels the country sharing her story in hopes of persuading coaches, athletes and administrators to take sexual assault seriously by adopting strict policies on sexual violence and prevention.

    She called Watson's return to the field "frustrating" and the antics of fans "defeating at times."

    "People have minimized the impact on these survivors in a really detrimental way," said Tracy, who has spoken to more than 50,000 athletes, including one NFL team -- the Baltimore Ravens. "Just making a mockery of the trauma and the pain that these survivors have gone through. ... That's all terrible and disgusting, and all it does is just further the minimization of the harm that he did to other human beings.""

    "That was just fine with at least one Texans fan, whose sign read: "I would rather be 1-9-1 than have Deshaun Watson as my quarterback.""

    Where are we going with this Cal?  I thought we were debating your point that Watson doesn't like football and lacks leadership.  These points you're making doesn't undo any of the points I made.  

  • @calfoxwc said:

    Actually, no, he has the physical talent bigtime - but his lack of playing time - says otherwise.

    And, a lot of qb's would have done better with this wr that watson had for three years (DeAndre Hopkins):

    Meanwhile, more to my point -

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35189366/questions-remain-deshaun-watson-debuts-browns-texans

    "

    ON MARCH 18, the Browns traded for Watson, sending the Texans three first-round draft picks in return. Cleveland then gave Watson a $230 million fully guaranteed deal, the richest contract in NFL history.

    Donisha Greene, the director of community engagement for the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center, said her organization's phones immediately began ringing.

    "It was really heartbreaking at times because you got your lifelong fans writing their notes and saying, 'I've been a Browns fan for 29 years, and this is the first season that I won't be participating in,' so they'd donate the cost of a season ticket," said Greene, who noted that the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center has raised more than $120,000 since March from people who said they were donating because of Watson. "It was a pretty powerful response, for sure."

    "

    Brenda Tracy has followed the Watson case closely. Tracy was raped by four men, including three Oregon State football players, in 1998. She now travels the country sharing her story in hopes of persuading coaches, athletes and administrators to take sexual assault seriously by adopting strict policies on sexual violence and prevention.

    She called Watson's return to the field "frustrating" and the antics of fans "defeating at times."

    "People have minimized the impact on these survivors in a really detrimental way," said Tracy, who has spoken to more than 50,000 athletes, including one NFL team -- the Baltimore Ravens. "Just making a mockery of the trauma and the pain that these survivors have gone through. ... That's all terrible and disgusting, and all it does is just further the minimization of the harm that he did to other human beings.""

    "That was just fine with at least one Texans fan, whose sign read: "I would rather be 1-9-1 than have Deshaun Watson as my quarterback.""

    Where are we going with this Cal?  I thought we were debating your point that Watson doesn't like football and lacks leadership.  These points you're making doesn't undo any of the points I made.  

    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
    #44

    @flugel said:

    Where are we going with this Cal?  I thought we were debating your point that Watson doesn't like football and lacks leadership.  These points you're making doesn't undo any of the points I made.  

    beats me, Mr. Flugels. LOL

    Being successful doesn't mean "loving football".

    in watson's case - it's "he's tremendously athletic but is stupid and slutty off the field". "NOT a face of your franchise" (unless you are the haslams and fo....).

    It's just that - you do not ruin your reputation and ability to play football for months and months, if you love the game.

    That's all. I'm just feeling "dangerous" the past few days. You know me.

    Not my sign.....

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  • @flugel said:

    ? 3 Pro Bowls and 2 playoff appearances says otherwise.  

    Actually, no, he has the physical talent bigtime - but his lack of playing time - says otherwise.

    And, a lot of qb's would have done better with this wr that watson had for three years (DeAndre Hopkins):

    Meanwhile, more to my point -

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35189366/questions-remain-deshaun-watson-debuts-browns-texans

    "

    ON MARCH 18, the Browns traded for Watson, sending the Texans three first-round draft picks in return. Cleveland then gave Watson a $230 million fully guaranteed deal, the richest contract in NFL history.

    Donisha Greene, the director of community engagement for the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center, said her organization's phones immediately began ringing.

    "It was really heartbreaking at times because you got your lifelong fans writing their notes and saying, 'I've been a Browns fan for 29 years, and this is the first season that I won't be participating in,' so they'd donate the cost of a season ticket," said Greene, who noted that the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center has raised more than $120,000 since March from people who said they were donating because of Watson. "It was a pretty powerful response, for sure."

    "

    Brenda Tracy has followed the Watson case closely. Tracy was raped by four men, including three Oregon State football players, in 1998. She now travels the country sharing her story in hopes of persuading coaches, athletes and administrators to take sexual assault seriously by adopting strict policies on sexual violence and prevention.

    She called Watson's return to the field "frustrating" and the antics of fans "defeating at times."

    "People have minimized the impact on these survivors in a really detrimental way," said Tracy, who has spoken to more than 50,000 athletes, including one NFL team -- the Baltimore Ravens. "Just making a mockery of the trauma and the pain that these survivors have gone through. ... That's all terrible and disgusting, and all it does is just further the minimization of the harm that he did to other human beings.""

    "That was just fine with at least one Texans fan, whose sign read: "I would rather be 1-9-1 than have Deshaun Watson as my quarterback.""

    OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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    @calfoxwc said:

    Donisha Greene, the director of community engagement for the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center, said her organization's phones immediately began ringing.

    So, I guess his signing with the Browns was expected to ignite a crime wave of rape...

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by Dutch Oven
    #46

    How can you tell Watson is playing better?

    Cal can't stop posting about him. 

  • @calfoxwc said:

    Donisha Greene, the director of community engagement for the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center, said her organization's phones immediately began ringing.

    So, I guess his signing with the Browns was expected to ignite a crime wave of rape...

    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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    @orion said:

    So, I guess his signing with the Browns was expected to ignite a crime wave of rape...

    yes, there are varying elements of sexual assault. but his signing brings up THE SUBJECT in association to the "face of the franchise".

    so, you support sexual offense or not? or, you don't do either because the subject "doesn't matter" because you think watson will take the browns to a superbowl?

    I'm not buyin it. And I've been a Browns fan since...eh, two days ago, I turned 72, so.....anyways, my favorite rb was always Leroy Kelly.

  • @orion said:

    So, I guess his signing with the Browns was expected to ignite a crime wave of rape...

    yes, there are varying elements of sexual assault. but his signing brings up THE SUBJECT in association to the "face of the franchise".

    so, you support sexual offense or not? or, you don't do either because the subject "doesn't matter" because you think watson will take the browns to a superbowl?

    I'm not buyin it. And I've been a Browns fan since...eh, two days ago, I turned 72, so.....anyways, my favorite rb was always Leroy Kelly.

    OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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    @calfoxwc said:

    my favorite rb was always Leroy Kelly.

    He was great.  I loved him.  Now I love Chubb.

  • @calfoxwc said:

    my favorite rb was always Leroy Kelly.

    He was great.  I loved him.  Now I love Chubb.

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    @orion said:

    He was great.  I loved him.  Now I love Chubb.

    Mega Dittos!

  • @calfoxwc said:

    my favorite rb was always Leroy Kelly.

    He was great.  I loved him.  Now I love Chubb.

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    @orion said:

    He was great.  I loved him.  Now I love Chubb.

    current rb's, of course Chubb! who doesn't? except for hoorta, he wants to be watons's happy ending boy - that's his idea of a rb)

  • @orion said:

    He was great.  I loved him.  Now I love Chubb.

    current rb's, of course Chubb! who doesn't? except for hoorta, he wants to be watons's happy ending boy - that's his idea of a rb)

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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    @calfoxwc said:

    current rb's, of course Chubb! who doesn't? except for hoorta, he wants to be watons's happy ending boy - that's his idea of a rb)

    When you drive by a Cheesecake Factory, you get harder than a diamond at the thought of sharing a backseat with Baker in his SUV, don't you?