Mayfield
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If anyone watched baker play for Cleveland they’d see a mediocre QB that couldn’t throw over his line unless it was 30 yards over his receivers dead.
the guy got benched for darnold and cut, reportedly locker room cancer.
he has two good games and now we all love him? Makes no sense.
watson played average which is whatever, but baker is not an nfl starter.
If anyone watched baker play for Cleveland they’d see a mediocre QB that couldn’t throw over his line unless it was 30 yards over his receivers dead.
the guy got benched for darnold and cut, reportedly locker room cancer.
he has two good games and now we all love him? Makes no sense.
watson played average which is whatever, but baker is not an nfl starter.
Average??...47.1 qb rating?...135 yards...0 tds and 1 int.??? ..if that's acceptable to you, then you deserve him.
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Glad Baker had a good game. I wonder which team he'll be on next year.
They showed this weekend, that since Carolina replaced Baker - they are now one of the teams in the NFC with a chance to make the playoffs.
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They showed this weekend, that since Carolina replaced Baker - they are now one of the teams in the NFC with a chance to make the playoffs.
Nobody really gives a crap about Carolina....unless you're suggesting that Cleveland should follow that example and get rid of Watson to enhance their playoff chances.
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If anyone watched baker play for Cleveland they’d see a mediocre QB that couldn’t throw over his line unless it was 30 yards over his receivers dead.
the guy got benched for darnold and cut, reportedly locker room cancer.
he has two good games and now we all love him? Makes no sense.
watson played average which is whatever, but baker is not an nfl starter.
Average??...47.1 qb rating?...135 yards...0 tds and 1 int.??? ..if that's acceptable to you, then you deserve him.
Average??...47.1 qb rating?...135 yards...0 tds and 1 int.??? ..if that's acceptable to you, then you deserve him.
I was fine with what he did because I watched the game. Cleveland Browns fans have a tendency to watch their team while Baker Mayfield groupies have a tendency to worry more about him keeping the career alive after he failed miserably in Carolina.
If you watched the game you would have seen TD passes bouncing off Cooper, DPJ and Njoku. Last year at this time, Baker threw 4 INTs on Christmas Day at Green Bay.
Watson has been to 3 Pro Bowls and Baker has been to zero. Watson's passer ratings throughout his 1st 4 seasons were way better than Baker's.
Those that were here, unlike you, know many of us wanted him to succeed here. He had a very promising rookie year and even broke a record for TD passes. Unfortunately, we didn't see the same guy the next year. I thought his 3rd season was pretty good in a sense he threw 26 TDs to only 8 INTs and was opportunistic in the playoffs with all the short fields the defense got him intercepting Roethlisberger 5 times. The game started 7-0 before our offense took it's 1st snap.
At least Baker looks like a starter playing for a Defending Superbowl Champion; because he only looked like the 3rd best QB in Carolina.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
The amount of people damning and praising Baker is still alarming to me.
He's played well when the game script and running game works. Last night, he thrived in that situation. It's a testament to what he's capable of doing when the right conditions are met. Credit to him for the work put in and the throws made, while also giving credit to McVay and the Rams front office for bringing Baker in.
There's no need to felate the man for throwing 230 yards with an 8yp target average. And there's no need to put him down either. He did all that was asked and a little more at times. I hate John Elway as a talent evaluator so when I see Denver implode, it validates the work I do and the work I put in on Paxton Lynch.
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They showed this weekend, that since Carolina replaced Baker - they are now one of the teams in the NFC with a chance to make the playoffs.
Nobody really gives a crap about Carolina....unless you're suggesting that Cleveland should follow that example and get rid of Watson to enhance their playoff chances.
Nobody really gives a crap about Carolina....unless you're suggesting that Cleveland should follow that example and get rid of Watson to enhance their playoff chances.
Well, Baker should have because as much as you're rooting for the Rams more than you're rooting for the Browns - the ONLY reason he's there is because Matthew Stafford is on IR and Baker got demoted to 3rd on Carolina's depth chart. He's 2-2 on a team that was 4-7.
How many ways do you want to compare Baker to Watson starting with College Football. Baker never made it out of the 1st round of the BCS Playoffs. Watson shredded Ohio State in the playoffs before beating Alabama for the National Championship.
Watson has 3 Pro Bowls, 2 playoff appearances and some elite passer rating in his first 4 years.
Baker has 0 Pro Bowls, 1 playoff appearance and often had passer ratings that ranked him anywhere between 16 + 32 overall.
Above all, isn't it funny that not 1 of Baker's former teammates in Cleveland had any positive things to say about him? Not 1 guy spoke up in his favor or said they wished him well. Nobody. When Bernie left here - a lot of guys had his back with how much he's meant to this franchise and they would miss him. With Baker? 0.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Average??...47.1 qb rating?...135 yards...0 tds and 1 int.??? ..if that's acceptable to you, then you deserve him.
I was fine with what he did because I watched the game. Cleveland Browns fans have a tendency to watch their team while Baker Mayfield groupies have a tendency to worry more about him keeping the career alive after he failed miserably in Carolina.
If you watched the game you would have seen TD passes bouncing off Cooper, DPJ and Njoku. Last year at this time, Baker threw 4 INTs on Christmas Day at Green Bay.
Watson has been to 3 Pro Bowls and Baker has been to zero. Watson's passer ratings throughout his 1st 4 seasons were way better than Baker's.
Those that were here, unlike you, know many of us wanted him to succeed here. He had a very promising rookie year and even broke a record for TD passes. Unfortunately, we didn't see the same guy the next year. I thought his 3rd season was pretty good in a sense he threw 26 TDs to only 8 INTs and was opportunistic in the playoffs with all the short fields the defense got him intercepting Roethlisberger 5 times. The game started 7-0 before our offense took it's 1st snap.
At least Baker looks like a starter playing for a Defending Superbowl Champion; because he only looked like the 3rd best QB in Carolina.
I was fine with what he did because I watched the game. Cleveland Browns fans have a tendency to watch their team while Baker Mayfield groupies have a tendency to worry more about him keeping the career alive after he failed miserably in Carolina.
If you watched the game you would have seen TD passes bouncing off Cooper, DPJ and Njoku. Last year at this time, Baker threw 4 INTs on Christmas Day at Green Bay.
Watson has been to 3 Pro Bowls and Baker has been to zero. Watson's passer ratings throughout his 1st 4 seasons were way better than Baker's.
Those that were here, unlike you, know many of us wanted him to succeed here. He had a very promising rookie year and even broke a record for TD passes. Unfortunately, we didn't see the same guy the next year. I thought his 3rd season was pretty good in a sense he threw 26 TDs to only 8 INTs and was opportunistic in the playoffs with all the short fields the defense got him intercepting Roethlisberger 5 times. The game started 7-0 before our offense took it's 1st snap.
At least Baker looks like a starter playing for a Defending Superbowl Champion; because he only looked like the 3rd best QB in Carolina.
So....your point is that Watson WAS a better qb at some point....ok. I did watch as much of that game that I could possibly watch without puking. These excuses you're using for Watson, never were considered for Mayfield. Like I said...if your comfortable with Watson's stats...including a 69.3 qb rating for the season, I guess I'm just a little more demanding of a guy that is advertised as a " top 5 qb", "elite", and a "franchise qb". Especially, at the cost.
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The amount of people damning and praising Baker is still alarming to me.
He's played well when the game script and running game works. Last night, he thrived in that situation. It's a testament to what he's capable of doing when the right conditions are met. Credit to him for the work put in and the throws made, while also giving credit to McVay and the Rams front office for bringing Baker in.
There's no need to felate the man for throwing 230 yards with an 8yp target average. And there's no need to put him down either. He did all that was asked and a little more at times. I hate John Elway as a talent evaluator so when I see Denver implode, it validates the work I do and the work I put in on Paxton Lynch.
The amount of people damning and praising Baker is still alarming to me.
He's played well when the game script and running game works. Last night, he thrived in that situation. It's a testament to what he's capable of doing when the right conditions are met. Credit to him for the work put in and the throws made, while also giving credit to McVay and the Rams front office for bringing Baker in.
There's no need to felate the man for throwing 230 yards with an 8yp target average. And there's no need to put him down either. He did all that was asked and a little more at times. I hate John Elway as a talent evaluator so when I see Denver implode, it validates the work I do and the work I put in on Paxton Lynch.
I'm not damning him; and I think you of all people know how many times I used to stick up for him. I'm correcting guys that are pretending he's been way better than Deshaun Watson.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
The amount of people damning and praising Baker is still alarming to me.
He's played well when the game script and running game works. Last night, he thrived in that situation. It's a testament to what he's capable of doing when the right conditions are met. Credit to him for the work put in and the throws made, while also giving credit to McVay and the Rams front office for bringing Baker in.
There's no need to felate the man for throwing 230 yards with an 8yp target average. And there's no need to put him down either. He did all that was asked and a little more at times. I hate John Elway as a talent evaluator so when I see Denver implode, it validates the work I do and the work I put in on Paxton Lynch.
I'm not damning him; and I think you of all people know how many times I used to stick up for him. I'm correcting guys that are pretending he's been way better than Deshaun Watson.
I'm not damning him; and I think you of all people know how many times I used to stick up for him. I'm correcting guys that are pretending he's been way better than Deshaun Watson.
This is true. Both have played 3 games, in those 2, Baker has executed better than Deshaun during that stretch.
As I eluded to before, in order for Baker to maintain what his rate is - 67% and 230YPG with a 2:1 TD/INT ratio, defenses have to either struggle to limit the run (Oakland at times) or implode completely, as Denver did last night. The Packers did neither and, as expected, Baker was a sub 60% passer.
I know when a team has checked out. In the case of the Denver defense, they packed it in after Russel's first turnover. They've been hard carrying that group all season with little to no run support, and at some point the levee breaks.
Deshaun demonstrably has the higher ceiling. I could go back and chart similar concepts and throws to show how Watson has done better than Baker in those comparable situations. I also know, with a good lot of this group, it would be a complete waste of my time. I'd be better off studying my bet matchups. I mean we have, supposedly, grown men on this board who still use the word "haters" like they're 17 year old sound cloud rappers. All that word is meant to do is to invalidate, without merit, likely valid criticism of a person, enterprise, topic or material of which they are a fan.
We live in an age where you can show someone, such as I have with my work on Baker, not only a degree of evidence, but fact beyond contestation, and people will still spin it in their mind to find a way to ignore said truth. Facing ourselves, our own judgements and our own initial conceptions is a tall order for seemingly SO many people across such a wide array of topics. Football is just one of those such things.
When the conditions aren't right, Baker is an average to below average QB. When the conditions are right, Baker can be an above average to good QB. Nothing more, nothing less.
God love ya, buddy. But if you're spending time on here trying to convince people of something they're entrenched on, you're only wasting your own time. I'm late by the way, but Merry Merry and hopefully a happy and healthy New Year to all of you.
edit: We need a bowl game thread...
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The amount of people damning and praising Baker is still alarming to me.
He's played well when the game script and running game works. Last night, he thrived in that situation. It's a testament to what he's capable of doing when the right conditions are met. Credit to him for the work put in and the throws made, while also giving credit to McVay and the Rams front office for bringing Baker in.
There's no need to felate the man for throwing 230 yards with an 8yp target average. And there's no need to put him down either. He did all that was asked and a little more at times. I hate John Elway as a talent evaluator so when I see Denver implode, it validates the work I do and the work I put in on Paxton Lynch.
I'm not damning him; and I think you of all people know how many times I used to stick up for him. I'm correcting guys that are pretending he's been way better than Deshaun Watson.
I'm not damning him; and I think you of all people know how many times I used to stick up for him. I'm correcting guys that are pretending he's been way better than Deshaun Watson.
No...you're not correcting anyone. You're trying to make some of us see the situation from your twisted perspective. "Pretending" to you is actually reality. After "3rd string on Carolina" Mayfield, sucking so bad, he's still at a 98.9 qb rating, compared to Watson's 69.3 for this season. I can only judge a player by his most recent games. Mayfield is very inconsistent at best, but Watson....I have yet to see ANYTHING that indicates he is now, or ever will be a top 5 qb in the NFL.
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Nobody really gives a crap about Carolina....unless you're suggesting that Cleveland should follow that example and get rid of Watson to enhance their playoff chances.
Well, Baker should have because as much as you're rooting for the Rams more than you're rooting for the Browns - the ONLY reason he's there is because Matthew Stafford is on IR and Baker got demoted to 3rd on Carolina's depth chart. He's 2-2 on a team that was 4-7.
How many ways do you want to compare Baker to Watson starting with College Football. Baker never made it out of the 1st round of the BCS Playoffs. Watson shredded Ohio State in the playoffs before beating Alabama for the National Championship.
Watson has 3 Pro Bowls, 2 playoff appearances and some elite passer rating in his first 4 years.
Baker has 0 Pro Bowls, 1 playoff appearance and often had passer ratings that ranked him anywhere between 16 + 32 overall.
Above all, isn't it funny that not 1 of Baker's former teammates in Cleveland had any positive things to say about him? Not 1 guy spoke up in his favor or said they wished him well. Nobody. When Bernie left here - a lot of guys had his back with how much he's meant to this franchise and they would miss him. With Baker? 0.
Baker has 0 Pro Bowls, 1 playoff appearance and often had passer ratings that ranked him anywhere between 16 + 32 overall.
You seem to put a lot of stock in Pro Bowls.
Lets take a look at some other “elite” Pro Bowl QB’s:
Matt Cassel
Nick Foles
Andy Dalton
Trent Dilfer
Elvis Grbac
Kordell Stewart
Vince Young
And last but not least, our own Derek Anderson.
There’s not a starting caliber QB in that list, yet they were selected to a Pro Bowl.
This is why I laugh at Pro Bowl selections.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
I was fine with what he did because I watched the game. Cleveland Browns fans have a tendency to watch their team while Baker Mayfield groupies have a tendency to worry more about him keeping the career alive after he failed miserably in Carolina.
If you watched the game you would have seen TD passes bouncing off Cooper, DPJ and Njoku. Last year at this time, Baker threw 4 INTs on Christmas Day at Green Bay.
Watson has been to 3 Pro Bowls and Baker has been to zero. Watson's passer ratings throughout his 1st 4 seasons were way better than Baker's.
Those that were here, unlike you, know many of us wanted him to succeed here. He had a very promising rookie year and even broke a record for TD passes. Unfortunately, we didn't see the same guy the next year. I thought his 3rd season was pretty good in a sense he threw 26 TDs to only 8 INTs and was opportunistic in the playoffs with all the short fields the defense got him intercepting Roethlisberger 5 times. The game started 7-0 before our offense took it's 1st snap.
At least Baker looks like a starter playing for a Defending Superbowl Champion; because he only looked like the 3rd best QB in Carolina.
So....your point is that Watson WAS a better qb at some point....ok. I did watch as much of that game that I could possibly watch without puking. These excuses you're using for Watson, never were considered for Mayfield. Like I said...if your comfortable with Watson's stats...including a 69.3 qb rating for the season, I guess I'm just a little more demanding of a guy that is advertised as a " top 5 qb", "elite", and a "franchise qb". Especially, at the cost.
So....your point is that Watson WAS a better qb at some point....ok. I did watch as much of that game that I could possibly watch without puking. These excuses you're using for Watson, never were considered for Mayfield. Like I said...if your comfortable with Watson's stats...including a 69.3 qb rating for the season, I guess I'm just a little more demanding of a guy that is advertised as a " top 5 qb", "elite", and a "franchise qb". Especially, at the cost.
At some point? 3 Pro Bowls to 0 in our QB comparison - while you're clinging tightly to a guy showing up to a 4-7 team after not taking a regular season snap in well over 700 days. Being demanding is fine at your end if you're also realistic with how quickly that will happen.
You know there were 3 TD passes dropped on Saturday and even the INT went through David Bell's hands first. Accuracy wasn't the problem you wanted it to be for some reason. Wind chills at 15 below zero were the same types of things that led to Red Right from an NFL MVP QB right? That was an elite QB (that season) with an understanding some days are more favorable for passing on Lake Erie than those with wind chills of 15 degrees below zero or worse.
Carolina gave Baker a shot and I was very happy for Baker at the time. My question to you is why is it the OTHER QBs there are putting them at least into a shot at the playoffs discussions with just 2 games left? He's like rooting for a yo-yo some times.
If Matthew Stafford wasn't sidelined, Baker would still be in Carolina watching other QBs outperform him.
Maybe this final chance he's getting with McVay will produce the elite QB I thought Cleveland drafted once upon a time. That's not our team though so why care so much about him?
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I'm not damning him; and I think you of all people know how many times I used to stick up for him. I'm correcting guys that are pretending he's been way better than Deshaun Watson.
No...you're not correcting anyone. You're trying to make some of us see the situation from your twisted perspective. "Pretending" to you is actually reality. After "3rd string on Carolina" Mayfield, sucking so bad, he's still at a 98.9 qb rating, compared to Watson's 69.3 for this season. I can only judge a player by his most recent games. Mayfield is very inconsistent at best, but Watson....I have yet to see ANYTHING that indicates he is now, or ever will be a top 5 qb in the NFL.
No...you're not correcting anyone. You're trying to make some of us see the situation from your twisted perspective. "Pretending" to you is actually reality. After "3rd string on Carolina" Mayfield, sucking so bad, he's still at a 98.9 qb rating, compared to Watson's 69.3 for this season. I can only judge a player by his most recent games. Mayfield is very inconsistent at best, but Watson....I have yet to see ANYTHING that indicates he is now, or ever will be a top 5 qb in the NFL.
These are Baker's what have you done for me lately prior to joining the Defending Super Bowl Champions
Baker: cmp% yds TD INT Rating
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With Mayfield being a free agent after this season, do the Rams move on from Stafford and make him their starting QB?
Because Stafford wasn't exactly lighting things up before he got injured, and Baker is much younger. Seems like the Rams would be foolish to let Baker go, yes?
And is there any truth to the rumors that Sean McVay might pull a Dick Vermeil and walk away from the sidelines and go to a cushy TV position?
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If anyone watched baker play for Cleveland they’d see a mediocre QB that couldn’t throw over his line unless it was 30 yards over his receivers dead.
the guy got benched for darnold and cut, reportedly locker room cancer.
he has two good games and now we all love him? Makes no sense.
watson played average which is whatever, but baker is not an nfl starter.
Average??...47.1 qb rating?...135 yards...0 tds and 1 int.??? ..if that's acceptable to you, then you deserve him.
Average??...47.1 qb rating?...135 yards...0 tds and 1 int.??? ..if that's acceptable to you, then you deserve him.
But there's the "rust" factor. You forgot about that. Those numbers may be acceptable considering the rust factor.
If you can quantify rust on a scale of 1 to 10, Watson would have a rust factor at or near 10.
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Baker has 0 Pro Bowls, 1 playoff appearance and often had passer ratings that ranked him anywhere between 16 + 32 overall.
You seem to put a lot of stock in Pro Bowls.
Lets take a look at some other “elite” Pro Bowl QB’s:
Matt Cassel
Nick Foles
Andy Dalton
Trent Dilfer
Elvis Grbac
Kordell Stewart
Vince Young
And last but not least, our own Derek Anderson.
There’s not a starting caliber QB in that list, yet they were selected to a Pro Bowl.
This is why I laugh at Pro Bowl selections.
You seem to put a lot of stock in Pro Bowls.
Lets take a look at some other “elite” Pro Bowl QB’s:
Matt Cassel
Nick Foles
Andy Dalton
Trent Dilfer
Elvis Grbac
Kordell Stewart
Vince Young
And last but not least, our own Derek Anderson.
There’s not a starting caliber QB in that list, yet they were selected to a Pro Bowl.
This is why I laugh at Pro Bowl selections.
You're laughing at how easy it is to make; so wouldn't it be nice to at least see Baker make the list once as a 1st overall pick?
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
So....your point is that Watson WAS a better qb at some point....ok. I did watch as much of that game that I could possibly watch without puking. These excuses you're using for Watson, never were considered for Mayfield. Like I said...if your comfortable with Watson's stats...including a 69.3 qb rating for the season, I guess I'm just a little more demanding of a guy that is advertised as a " top 5 qb", "elite", and a "franchise qb". Especially, at the cost.
At some point? 3 Pro Bowls to 0 in our QB comparison - while you're clinging tightly to a guy showing up to a 4-7 team after not taking a regular season snap in well over 700 days. Being demanding is fine at your end if you're also realistic with how quickly that will happen.
You know there were 3 TD passes dropped on Saturday and even the INT went through David Bell's hands first. Accuracy wasn't the problem you wanted it to be for some reason. Wind chills at 15 below zero were the same types of things that led to Red Right from an NFL MVP QB right? That was an elite QB (that season) with an understanding some days are more favorable for passing on Lake Erie than those with wind chills of 15 degrees below zero or worse.
Carolina gave Baker a shot and I was very happy for Baker at the time. My question to you is why is it the OTHER QBs there are putting them at least into a shot at the playoffs discussions with just 2 games left? He's like rooting for a yo-yo some times.
If Matthew Stafford wasn't sidelined, Baker would still be in Carolina watching other QBs outperform him.
Maybe this final chance he's getting with McVay will produce the elite QB I thought Cleveland drafted once upon a time. That's not our team though so why care so much about him?
At some point? 3 Pro Bowls to 0 in our QB comparison - while you're clinging tightly to a guy showing up to a 4-7 team after not taking a regular season snap in well over 700 days. Being demanding is fine at your end if you're also realistic with how quickly that will happen.
You know there were 3 TD passes dropped on Saturday and even the INT went through David Bell's hands first. Accuracy wasn't the problem you wanted it to be for some reason. Wind chills at 15 below zero were the same types of things that led to Red Right from an NFL MVP QB right? That was an elite QB (that season) with an understanding some days are more favorable for passing on Lake Erie than those with wind chills of 15 degrees below zero or worse.
Carolina gave Baker a shot and I was very happy for Baker at the time. My question to you is why is it the OTHER QBs there are putting them at least into a shot at the playoffs discussions with just 2 games left? He's like rooting for a yo-yo some times.
If Matthew Stafford wasn't sidelined, Baker would still be in Carolina watching other QBs outperform him.
Maybe this final chance he's getting with McVay will produce the elite QB I thought Cleveland drafted once upon a time. That's not our team though so why care so much about him?
When you bring up dropped passes, that could be used to defend Mayfield in many instances. Every qb experiences that. I can't answer much about Carolina, other than they are a bad team, over all. I'm not who you think I am. My only reason for jumping in on these Mayfield hating topics, is to point out how badly they screwed up this Watson deal. Why would you give this guy such a ridiculous amount of money, guaranteed, with his shady background, and after he hadn't played in 2 years?....and when he did play, he had great stats...except for the one stat that counts. He only won 4 games. This move is probably the worst thing they could have done. No first round picks for 3 years....screwed with the salary cap because of Watson. They did this after he said he wouldn't come here...didn't want any part of Cleveland...until they gave him the guaranteed contract. Believe me...there were plenty of games last season, when I wanted Mayfield gone, too....just not like this. I guess my question is...why do you care so much about him? I typically don't start any Baker Mayfield support topics. He's gone...I don't care what he does. But, I do care what the Cleveland Browns do. Even though I've been a fan for many years, this last fiasco has kind of put me over the edge...not unlike when Bellichik was here.
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With Mayfield being a free agent after this season, do the Rams move on from Stafford and make him their starting QB?
Because Stafford wasn't exactly lighting things up before he got injured, and Baker is much younger. Seems like the Rams would be foolish to let Baker go, yes?
And is there any truth to the rumors that Sean McVay might pull a Dick Vermeil and walk away from the sidelines and go to a cushy TV position?
With Mayfield being a free agent after this season, do the Rams move on from Stafford and make him their starting QB?
Because Stafford wasn't exactly lighting things up before he got injured, and Baker is much younger. Seems like the Rams would be foolish to let Baker go, yes?
And is there any truth to the rumors that Sean McVay might pull a Dick Vermeil and walk away from the sidelines and go to a cushy TV position?
That conversation is the topic on the Rams message board right now....I would guarantee it.
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At some point? 3 Pro Bowls to 0 in our QB comparison - while you're clinging tightly to a guy showing up to a 4-7 team after not taking a regular season snap in well over 700 days. Being demanding is fine at your end if you're also realistic with how quickly that will happen.
You know there were 3 TD passes dropped on Saturday and even the INT went through David Bell's hands first. Accuracy wasn't the problem you wanted it to be for some reason. Wind chills at 15 below zero were the same types of things that led to Red Right from an NFL MVP QB right? That was an elite QB (that season) with an understanding some days are more favorable for passing on Lake Erie than those with wind chills of 15 degrees below zero or worse.
Carolina gave Baker a shot and I was very happy for Baker at the time. My question to you is why is it the OTHER QBs there are putting them at least into a shot at the playoffs discussions with just 2 games left? He's like rooting for a yo-yo some times.
If Matthew Stafford wasn't sidelined, Baker would still be in Carolina watching other QBs outperform him.
Maybe this final chance he's getting with McVay will produce the elite QB I thought Cleveland drafted once upon a time. That's not our team though so why care so much about him?
When you bring up dropped passes, that could be used to defend Mayfield in many instances. Every qb experiences that. I can't answer much about Carolina, other than they are a bad team, over all. I'm not who you think I am. My only reason for jumping in on these Mayfield hating topics, is to point out how badly they screwed up this Watson deal. Why would you give this guy such a ridiculous amount of money, guaranteed, with his shady background, and after he hadn't played in 2 years?....and when he did play, he had great stats...except for the one stat that counts. He only won 4 games. This move is probably the worst thing they could have done. No first round picks for 3 years....screwed with the salary cap because of Watson. They did this after he said he wouldn't come here...didn't want any part of Cleveland...until they gave him the guaranteed contract. Believe me...there were plenty of games last season, when I wanted Mayfield gone, too....just not like this. I guess my question is...why do you care so much about him? I typically don't start any Baker Mayfield support topics. He's gone...I don't care what he does. But, I do care what the Cleveland Browns do. Even though I've been a fan for many years, this last fiasco has kind of put me over the edge...not unlike when Bellichik was here.
When you bring up dropped passes, that could be used to defend Mayfield in many instances. Every qb experiences that. I can't answer much about Carolina, other than they are a bad team, over all. I'm not who you think I am. My only reason for jumping in on these Mayfield hating topics, is to point out how badly they screwed up this Watson deal. Why would you give this guy such a ridiculous amount of money, guaranteed, with his shady background, and after he hadn't played in 2 years?....and when he did play, he had great stats...except for the one stat that counts. He only won 4 games. This move is probably the worst thing they could have done. No first round picks for 3 years....screwed with the salary cap because of Watson. They did this after he said he wouldn't come here...didn't want any part of Cleveland...until they gave him the guaranteed contract. Believe me...there were plenty of games last season, when I wanted Mayfield gone, too....just not like this. I guess my question is...why do you care so much about him? I typically don't start any Baker Mayfield support topics. He's gone...I don't care what he does. But, I do care what the Cleveland Browns do. Even though I've been a fan for many years, this last fiasco has kind of put me over the edge...not unlike when Bellichik was here.
Here's Watson's 1st 4 years projecting a good future when he gets his 1st full season here. You don't have to agree because you won't anyway.
cmp% Yds TD INT Rating
202070.24,823337112.4201967.33,852261298.0201868.34,165269103.1201761.81,699198103.0 -
With Mayfield being a free agent after this season, do the Rams move on from Stafford and make him their starting QB?
Because Stafford wasn't exactly lighting things up before he got injured, and Baker is much younger. Seems like the Rams would be foolish to let Baker go, yes?
And is there any truth to the rumors that Sean McVay might pull a Dick Vermeil and walk away from the sidelines and go to a cushy TV position?
That conversation is the topic on the Rams message board right now....I would guarantee it.
That conversation is the topic on the Rams message board right now....I would guarantee it.
But here's the rub...
All the Baker guys on here keep telling the world that the Browns are doomed for eternity because the Browns gave up three first round picks.
Well, if the Rams do indeed decide to roll with Baker as their QB for the future, he's going to be on a team that has been completely decimated for years to come in draft picks, with a head coach with an eye on his future gig as a football announcer on TV.
It will be interesting to watch the situation unravel.
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