Brady Quinn sucks and always has! Can we please put Derek Anderson back in.
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In 42 years, I've found in life, that unintelligent people resort to yelling or name calling when they are confronted with a situation that they don't understand. Thank you for proving my experience right.
In 42 years, I've found in life, that unintelligent people resort to yelling or name calling when they are confronted with a situation that they don't understand. Thank you for proving my experience right.
In 42 years you should have also learned that unintelligent people resort to being big blubbering pussies on message boards, like yourself. And also that these same people tend to "take the high road" in response to getting their ass handed to them on said message board.
Take the Celine Dion CD out of the player, whip the tears from your eyes, and get the fuk over yourself.
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Ok pissyfest over.
I like your attitude d-bone, I don't REALLY think you're a blubbering vagina. I just wanted to e-fight.
AdaM said:
Ok pissyfest over.I like your attitude d-bone, I don't REALLY think you're a blubbering vagina. I just wanted to e-fight.
Thanks AdaM, that means a lot coming from you! I bet you forgot all about the Browns horrific play calling for a few minutes, eh?
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How come every time there is a Natural Disaster somewhere, even so remote you never even heard of the place before, they always happen to be one of the US leading oil provider and gas prices immediately rise do to the crises?
On that same line, how come everytime someone's favorite QB shits the bed, it's against one of the NFL's best defenses?
For the record; the Minnesota Vikings were ranked 18th against the pass in 2008 ... the Cleveland Browns 14th.
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This Brady Quinn's 5th career start, DA had how many starts 19 starts with better WR's
Give me a break, Im tired of the wimpy ass whining, you should be greatful that your QB
didn't throw up 5 int's which DA would of done. Go back and watch DA's reaction to the blitz in the Baltimore game in in 2008. That was pathetic.
Im sorry you bought a DA jersey and are not sold on buying a Quinn jersey yet.
Be thankful you have a better than average (rookie) QB and not some damn piece of shit that some of these teams are stuck with.
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Brady Quinn C'MON MAN! Congrads Brady, you made the "C'mon MAN" segment of Monday Night Football
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Brady Quinn C'MON MAN! Congrads Brady, you made the "C'mon MAN" segment of Monday Night Football
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How come every time there is a Natural Disaster somewhere, even so remote you never even heard of the place before, they always happen to be one of the US leading oil provider and gas prices immediately rise do to the crises?
On that same line, how come everytime someone's favorite QB shits the bed, it's against one of the NFL's best defenses?
For the record; the Minnesota Vikings were ranked 18th against the pass in 2008 ... the Cleveland Browns 14th.
For the record; the Minnesota Vikings were ranked 18th against the pass in 2008 ... the Cleveland Browns 14th.
For the record, nobody had to pass on the Browns when they gave up 140 yds per game on the ground, and the Vikings gave up 70-ish per game, so teams had to throw. The Vikings are a strong defense to go against, just like Dallas last season in the opener. I'd rather not give Quinn a pass for his performance, but this isn;t him starting his 18th game like DA's last season. This is his 4th start.
When a kid in his 4th start looks like the guy in his 18th start, then I tend to want to see a little more before I say he cannot develop.
If he sucks he sucks, but I am going to give him until the bye to un-shit himself.
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This is why I have never been a fan of Quinn.
Quinn was sacked 5 times a-la Charlie Frye because he holds the ball too long. He does this because he waits for his check down routes to develope. This is because he cannot throw an accurate deep ball to save his life. He moves around the pocket too much as well. He did slightly better in the second half with this, probably because the O-line and coaches gave him hell about it during halftime, but ended up taking more sacks. All of this is because throwing it deep is just not an option and never will be for him.
Before I get replies telling me that you can win without the deep ball let me elaborate.
When your QB cannot throw the deep routes or 10+yard outs, you become very limited on offense. Remember Braylon and KII with Frye? Now remember Braylon and KII with DA?! Remember our O-line with Frye? Remember our O-line with DA? When your QB is as limited as Frye or Quinn is, you have to throw away half of your playbook. That is an absolute recipe for failure. Adding to the lack of essential NFL tools Quinn is also in a state of complete panic in the pocket.
I'm out!
PS. This is my first post! It feels good to be here!
"Chances are, if you think Jay Leno is funny, I don't care for you as a person" - Peter Griffin -
This is why I have never been a fan of Quinn.
Quinn was sacked 5 times a-la Charlie Frye because he holds the ball too long. He does this because he waits for his check down routes to develope. This is because he cannot throw an accurate deep ball to save his life. He moves around the pocket too much as well. He did slightly better in the second half with this, probably because the O-line and coaches gave him hell about it during halftime, but ended up taking more sacks. All of this is because throwing it deep is just not an option and never will be for him.
Before I get replies telling me that you can win without the deep ball let me elaborate.
When your QB cannot throw the deep routes or 10+yard outs, you become very limited on offense. Remember Braylon and KII with Frye? Now remember Braylon and KII with DA?! Remember our O-line with Frye? Remember our O-line with DA? When your QB is as limited as Frye or Quinn is, you have to throw away half of your playbook. That is an absolute recipe for failure. Adding to the lack of essential NFL tools Quinn is also in a state of complete panic in the pocket.
I'm out!
PS. This is my first post! It feels good to be here!
PS. This is my first post! It feels good to be here!
Welcome ... watch out for the Gold colored acid.
Quinn was sacked 5 times a-la Charlie Frye because he holds the ball too long. He does this because he waits for his check down routes to develope. This is because he cannot throw an accurate deep ball to save his life. He moves around the pocket too much as well. He did slightly better in the second half with this, probably because the O-line and coaches gave him hell about it during halftime, but ended up taking more sacks. All of this is because throwing it deep is just not an option and never will be for him.
I'm going to disagree with you on this your initial post. At least yesterday, he was sacked because the Vikes had no respect for his game. He wasn't even going through a progression, he was locking on and throwing to predetermined spots decided on pre-snap. If they had that side (left side) stuffed, they had him dead to rights. Quinn commanded nothing, he was a sitting duck.
I mean, you could be right, but yesterday he was just horrible and the Vikes had no hesitation in going after him.
EDIT: I guess we are closer to thinking the same way then I originally read your message. Good post, I agree.
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I agree....it was where is Robert Royal supposed to be the entire game before checking down.
This, at least to this point is another Couch act....pad up a decent enough stat line but in reality be far short of winning numbers.
Not impressed to this point.
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I agree....it was where is Robert Royal supposed to be the entire game before checking down.
This, at least to this point is another Couch act....pad up a decent enough stat line but in reality be far short of winning numbers.
Not impressed to this point.
I agree....it was where is Robert Royal supposed to be the entire game before checking down.
This, at least to this point is another Couch act....pad up a decent enough stat line but in reality be far short of winning numbers.
Not impressed to this point.
I love your point about the stat line. And Robert Royal is to Quinn what Kevin Johnson was to Couch and Winslow was to Frye.
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All sorts of love:
http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/200...s/mj1607804.txt
IMAGINE how bad the offense would have looked if the Vikings' defense hadn't been totally confused by not knowing which Browns quarterback was going to start.
Whew!
Hats off to Coach Eric Mangini.
As expected, the Browns' quarterback subterfuge paid big dividends Sunday. The Browns were only trailing 34-13 when they scored their first offensive touchdown of the season, the year, and the equinox.
The Donner Party finally wandered into the end zone with 28 seconds left in the game, when even quarterback Brady Quinn admitted "It didn't matter much.''
It was the Browns' first regular season offensive touchdown since their 10th game of the 2008 season, which was played on Nov. 17, 2008 in Buffalo.
It was the first time the Browns scored an offensive touchdown in front of their home fans since Nov. 6, 2008, which is just a little more than 10 months ago.
The problem with that, of course, is that now the fans are going to expect another touchdown 10 months from now.
The final score and statistics from the Browns' 34-20 loss to the Vikings are deceiving to the point of being superfluous.
The Browns had 268 net yards. But if you take away the Browns' last two possessions of the game, when they were trailing 34-13, and the Vikings were in a prevent defense while waiting for the team busses to be pulled around, the Browns only gained 161 yards in the other 3 1/2 quarters of the game.
Quinn's passing stats — 21 of 35 for 205 yards — minus the last two possessions are a Charlie Frye-like 14 of 23 for 98 yards.
In other words, when the Vikings were really trying to stop the Browns' offense they stopped the Browns' offense. Cold.
"We didn't do the things we needed to do, and I personally didn't take care of the ball," Quinn said.
"I think this offense can be successful," Mangini said. "There were points in the game when we moved the football."
There just weren't enough of them.
Quinn didn't seem particularly in synch with his receivers, especially diva Braylon Edwards, who only caught one pass for 12 yards.
Could that lack of chemistry have had anything to do with the fact that Mangini refused to name a starting quarterback until just a couple of days before the game?
"I don't agree (that they were out of synch)," Mangini said.
Something was certainly amiss in the third quarter, when Quinn threw long down the left sideline for Edwards — who broke towards the center of the field just as Quinn let go of the ball.
The result was a gift interception.
"Mis-communication," said Quinn, who admitted he expected Edwards to keep running down the sideline.
Quinn's most embarrassing moment came early in the fourth quarter, when he was scrambling around left end and tried to throw a pass, only to have the ball slip out of his hand and into the air in an impromptu salute to Garo Yepremian. That fumble came at the Browns' 34-yard line, and led to another Minnesota score.
"The primary job of the quarterback is to protect the football. You can't turn the ball over twice," Mangini said.
"The ball slipped out. I was trying to make a play," Quinn said.
Slippage has been an on-going issue for the offensively-challenged Browns. Having scored one offensive touchdown in their last seven regular season games, they will head to Denver next week hoping to score — let's get crazy here — another touchdown. Or two.
Lost in Mangini's cloak and dagger act with the naming of a starting quarterback — "it can be tough to deal with, but the team did a good job of handling it," said Quinn — is that Mangini's options weren't exactly Montana and Marino. The reality is that Derek Anderson has had one good season in the NFL, and Quinn is essentially still a rookie.
Sunday, facing one of the better defenses in the NFL, the Browns started a rookie quarterback and a rookie center in Alex Mack — and it looked it: three fumbles (one lost), one interception, and a conversion rate of 25 percent (3-for-12) on third down.
The offense was decent in the first half, but indecent in the second half — when the Vikings finally decided they were ready for some football.
Quinn should get better. The offense should get better. And the defenses the Browns face won't always be so good.
But at least the Browns finally got one big hairy gorilla off their back. With 28 seconds left in their very first game of the season they scored an offensive touchdown. Quinn to Robert Royal, 26 yards, TOUCHDOWN BROWNS!
So we can all stop beating that drum.
"You guys write about it, but that's nothing we think about," Quinn said. "This is a new season."
And is that good or bad?
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This is why I have never been a fan of Quinn.
Quinn was sacked 5 times a-la Charlie Frye because he holds the ball too long. He does this because he waits for his check down routes to develope. This is because he cannot throw an accurate deep ball to save his life. He moves around the pocket too much as well. He did slightly better in the second half with this, probably because the O-line and coaches gave him hell about it during halftime, but ended up taking more sacks. All of this is because throwing it deep is just not an option and never will be for him.
Before I get replies telling me that you can win without the deep ball let me elaborate.
When your QB cannot throw the deep routes or 10+yard outs, you become very limited on offense. Remember Braylon and KII with Frye? Now remember Braylon and KII with DA?! Remember our O-line with Frye? Remember our O-line with DA? When your QB is as limited as Frye or Quinn is, you have to throw away half of your playbook. That is an absolute recipe for failure. Adding to the lack of essential NFL tools Quinn is also in a state of complete panic in the pocket.
I'm out!
PS. This is my first post! It feels good to be here!
He does this because he waits for his check down routes to develope.
You don't have to wait for check down routes to develope (unless we are talking a TE or RB chip before the route). That's why they are check downs. They are the quicker developing route.
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With DA we where scoring alot of points.......... the problem was the other teams where scoring more..... With BQ we never score points and the other team continues to score alot more....
Really?
Here's our September in 2008:
Dallas 28 Cleveland 10
Pittsburgh 10 Cleveland 6
Baltimore 28 Cleveland 10
and here's another one of DA's starts the first 2 months:
Indy 10 Cleveland 6 (Their lone TD came when Mathis returned DA's fumble for a TD)
We're not missing a freaking thing right now. We better HOPE Quinn is the answer or that light at the end of the tunnel is the headlamp of an oncoming train unless Ratliff's fate is to be the next Brian Sipe.
- Tom F.
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Just got back from Vegas. watched the game in a sports book. Defense played a good first half but seemed worn down from the offense not being able to sustain a drive in the second half. 7 possession of 4 or less plays, 6 possessions of 7 or fewer yards, 5 punts, TWO turnovers, end of half and loss on downs. That is 9 of the possessions ending poorly and in this case quickly. Average of 2.20 minutes per drive. Only one time in the red zone and that was a FG.
Cleveland Drives
1st Quarter
Time: Starting Plays Yards Result
3:31 CLE 49 8 31 FG
2:29 CLE 22 4 -4 Punt
2nd Quarter
2:04 CLE 14 3 -4 Punt
5:05 CLE 25 9 73 FG
1:42 CLE 42 3 5 Punt
1:04 CLE 39 3 1 End Half
3rd Quarter
1:21 CLE 28 3 22 Int
2:45 CLE 19 7 30 Punt
4th Quarter
1:42 CLE 27 4 7 Fumble
0:50 CLE 26 3 3 Punt
1:06 CLE 19 6 17 Downs
2:35 CLE 20 9 80 TD
I think that the defense had a better game than the offense in this game. The Browns lead at half time because of special teams and the defense. The defense wore down in the fourth quarter.
And another thing I noticed (I could be wrong but seemed this way) was that BQ only completed TWO passes that traveled in the air longer than 10 yards. One in the first drive and the TD at the end when the Vikings seemed to be letting the receivers catch the ball in front of them.
I did not read many of the posts on this subject, this is just something I saw. I still think the Browns go 7 - 9 or 8 -8. I had this game marked as a loss anyways. The disturbing part was how bad the offense was. I expect to see improvement next week.
Just for fun DA's Stats for 4th start in his career
Derek Anderson CLE 20 33 328 5 1 Win Cinci
Since it will be something we do talk about I think it is fair to post how each QB did at similar times in their careers in similar situations. Start 1 - 3 was basically a statistical draw.
On a side note. It would have been interesting to see what people would have said about this game if DA played like this in his 4th start of his career. I really hope to see improvement in BQs game and I really hope he completes more than 2 passes that travel 10 yards in the air. Will be able to make a better judgement next week against a Broncos team that BQ has already put up huge numbers against. And I do pick the Browns to win this game.
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