Brady Quinn sucks and always has! Can we please put Derek Anderson back in.
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I agree....it was where is Robert Royal supposed to be the entire game before checking down.
This, at least to this point is another Couch act....pad up a decent enough stat line but in reality be far short of winning numbers.
Not impressed to this point.
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I agree....it was where is Robert Royal supposed to be the entire game before checking down.
This, at least to this point is another Couch act....pad up a decent enough stat line but in reality be far short of winning numbers.
Not impressed to this point.
I agree....it was where is Robert Royal supposed to be the entire game before checking down.
This, at least to this point is another Couch act....pad up a decent enough stat line but in reality be far short of winning numbers.
Not impressed to this point.
I love your point about the stat line. And Robert Royal is to Quinn what Kevin Johnson was to Couch and Winslow was to Frye.
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All sorts of love:
http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/200...s/mj1607804.txt
IMAGINE how bad the offense would have looked if the Vikings' defense hadn't been totally confused by not knowing which Browns quarterback was going to start.
Whew!
Hats off to Coach Eric Mangini.
As expected, the Browns' quarterback subterfuge paid big dividends Sunday. The Browns were only trailing 34-13 when they scored their first offensive touchdown of the season, the year, and the equinox.
The Donner Party finally wandered into the end zone with 28 seconds left in the game, when even quarterback Brady Quinn admitted "It didn't matter much.''
It was the Browns' first regular season offensive touchdown since their 10th game of the 2008 season, which was played on Nov. 17, 2008 in Buffalo.
It was the first time the Browns scored an offensive touchdown in front of their home fans since Nov. 6, 2008, which is just a little more than 10 months ago.
The problem with that, of course, is that now the fans are going to expect another touchdown 10 months from now.
The final score and statistics from the Browns' 34-20 loss to the Vikings are deceiving to the point of being superfluous.
The Browns had 268 net yards. But if you take away the Browns' last two possessions of the game, when they were trailing 34-13, and the Vikings were in a prevent defense while waiting for the team busses to be pulled around, the Browns only gained 161 yards in the other 3 1/2 quarters of the game.
Quinn's passing stats — 21 of 35 for 205 yards — minus the last two possessions are a Charlie Frye-like 14 of 23 for 98 yards.
In other words, when the Vikings were really trying to stop the Browns' offense they stopped the Browns' offense. Cold.
"We didn't do the things we needed to do, and I personally didn't take care of the ball," Quinn said.
"I think this offense can be successful," Mangini said. "There were points in the game when we moved the football."
There just weren't enough of them.
Quinn didn't seem particularly in synch with his receivers, especially diva Braylon Edwards, who only caught one pass for 12 yards.
Could that lack of chemistry have had anything to do with the fact that Mangini refused to name a starting quarterback until just a couple of days before the game?
"I don't agree (that they were out of synch)," Mangini said.
Something was certainly amiss in the third quarter, when Quinn threw long down the left sideline for Edwards — who broke towards the center of the field just as Quinn let go of the ball.
The result was a gift interception.
"Mis-communication," said Quinn, who admitted he expected Edwards to keep running down the sideline.
Quinn's most embarrassing moment came early in the fourth quarter, when he was scrambling around left end and tried to throw a pass, only to have the ball slip out of his hand and into the air in an impromptu salute to Garo Yepremian. That fumble came at the Browns' 34-yard line, and led to another Minnesota score.
"The primary job of the quarterback is to protect the football. You can't turn the ball over twice," Mangini said.
"The ball slipped out. I was trying to make a play," Quinn said.
Slippage has been an on-going issue for the offensively-challenged Browns. Having scored one offensive touchdown in their last seven regular season games, they will head to Denver next week hoping to score — let's get crazy here — another touchdown. Or two.
Lost in Mangini's cloak and dagger act with the naming of a starting quarterback — "it can be tough to deal with, but the team did a good job of handling it," said Quinn — is that Mangini's options weren't exactly Montana and Marino. The reality is that Derek Anderson has had one good season in the NFL, and Quinn is essentially still a rookie.
Sunday, facing one of the better defenses in the NFL, the Browns started a rookie quarterback and a rookie center in Alex Mack — and it looked it: three fumbles (one lost), one interception, and a conversion rate of 25 percent (3-for-12) on third down.
The offense was decent in the first half, but indecent in the second half — when the Vikings finally decided they were ready for some football.
Quinn should get better. The offense should get better. And the defenses the Browns face won't always be so good.
But at least the Browns finally got one big hairy gorilla off their back. With 28 seconds left in their very first game of the season they scored an offensive touchdown. Quinn to Robert Royal, 26 yards, TOUCHDOWN BROWNS!
So we can all stop beating that drum.
"You guys write about it, but that's nothing we think about," Quinn said. "This is a new season."
And is that good or bad?
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This is why I have never been a fan of Quinn.
Quinn was sacked 5 times a-la Charlie Frye because he holds the ball too long. He does this because he waits for his check down routes to develope. This is because he cannot throw an accurate deep ball to save his life. He moves around the pocket too much as well. He did slightly better in the second half with this, probably because the O-line and coaches gave him hell about it during halftime, but ended up taking more sacks. All of this is because throwing it deep is just not an option and never will be for him.
Before I get replies telling me that you can win without the deep ball let me elaborate.
When your QB cannot throw the deep routes or 10+yard outs, you become very limited on offense. Remember Braylon and KII with Frye? Now remember Braylon and KII with DA?! Remember our O-line with Frye? Remember our O-line with DA? When your QB is as limited as Frye or Quinn is, you have to throw away half of your playbook. That is an absolute recipe for failure. Adding to the lack of essential NFL tools Quinn is also in a state of complete panic in the pocket.
I'm out!
PS. This is my first post! It feels good to be here!
He does this because he waits for his check down routes to develope.
You don't have to wait for check down routes to develope (unless we are talking a TE or RB chip before the route). That's why they are check downs. They are the quicker developing route.
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With DA we where scoring alot of points.......... the problem was the other teams where scoring more..... With BQ we never score points and the other team continues to score alot more....
Really?
Here's our September in 2008:
Dallas 28 Cleveland 10
Pittsburgh 10 Cleveland 6
Baltimore 28 Cleveland 10
and here's another one of DA's starts the first 2 months:
Indy 10 Cleveland 6 (Their lone TD came when Mathis returned DA's fumble for a TD)
We're not missing a freaking thing right now. We better HOPE Quinn is the answer or that light at the end of the tunnel is the headlamp of an oncoming train unless Ratliff's fate is to be the next Brian Sipe.
- Tom F.
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Just got back from Vegas. watched the game in a sports book. Defense played a good first half but seemed worn down from the offense not being able to sustain a drive in the second half. 7 possession of 4 or less plays, 6 possessions of 7 or fewer yards, 5 punts, TWO turnovers, end of half and loss on downs. That is 9 of the possessions ending poorly and in this case quickly. Average of 2.20 minutes per drive. Only one time in the red zone and that was a FG.
Cleveland Drives
1st Quarter
Time: Starting Plays Yards Result
3:31 CLE 49 8 31 FG
2:29 CLE 22 4 -4 Punt
2nd Quarter
2:04 CLE 14 3 -4 Punt
5:05 CLE 25 9 73 FG
1:42 CLE 42 3 5 Punt
1:04 CLE 39 3 1 End Half
3rd Quarter
1:21 CLE 28 3 22 Int
2:45 CLE 19 7 30 Punt
4th Quarter
1:42 CLE 27 4 7 Fumble
0:50 CLE 26 3 3 Punt
1:06 CLE 19 6 17 Downs
2:35 CLE 20 9 80 TD
I think that the defense had a better game than the offense in this game. The Browns lead at half time because of special teams and the defense. The defense wore down in the fourth quarter.
And another thing I noticed (I could be wrong but seemed this way) was that BQ only completed TWO passes that traveled in the air longer than 10 yards. One in the first drive and the TD at the end when the Vikings seemed to be letting the receivers catch the ball in front of them.
I did not read many of the posts on this subject, this is just something I saw. I still think the Browns go 7 - 9 or 8 -8. I had this game marked as a loss anyways. The disturbing part was how bad the offense was. I expect to see improvement next week.
Just for fun DA's Stats for 4th start in his career
Derek Anderson CLE 20 33 328 5 1 Win Cinci
Since it will be something we do talk about I think it is fair to post how each QB did at similar times in their careers in similar situations. Start 1 - 3 was basically a statistical draw.
On a side note. It would have been interesting to see what people would have said about this game if DA played like this in his 4th start of his career. I really hope to see improvement in BQs game and I really hope he completes more than 2 passes that travel 10 yards in the air. Will be able to make a better judgement next week against a Broncos team that BQ has already put up huge numbers against. And I do pick the Browns to win this game.
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Just got back from Vegas. watched the game in a sports book. Defense played a good first half but seemed worn down from the offense not being able to sustain a drive in the second half. 7 possession of 4 or less plays, 6 possessions of 7 or fewer yards, 5 punts, TWO turnovers, end of half and loss on downs. That is 9 of the possessions ending poorly and in this case quickly. Average of 2.20 minutes per drive. Only one time in the red zone and that was a FG.
Cleveland Drives
1st Quarter
Time: Starting Plays Yards Result
3:31 CLE 49 8 31 FG
2:29 CLE 22 4 -4 Punt
2nd Quarter
2:04 CLE 14 3 -4 Punt
5:05 CLE 25 9 73 FG
1:42 CLE 42 3 5 Punt
1:04 CLE 39 3 1 End Half
3rd Quarter
1:21 CLE 28 3 22 Int
2:45 CLE 19 7 30 Punt
4th Quarter
1:42 CLE 27 4 7 Fumble
0:50 CLE 26 3 3 Punt
1:06 CLE 19 6 17 Downs
2:35 CLE 20 9 80 TD
I think that the defense had a better game than the offense in this game. The Browns lead at half time because of special teams and the defense. The defense wore down in the fourth quarter.
And another thing I noticed (I could be wrong but seemed this way) was that BQ only completed TWO passes that traveled in the air longer than 10 yards. One in the first drive and the TD at the end when the Vikings seemed to be letting the receivers catch the ball in front of them.
I did not read many of the posts on this subject, this is just something I saw. I still think the Browns go 7 - 9 or 8 -8. I had this game marked as a loss anyways. The disturbing part was how bad the offense was. I expect to see improvement next week.
Just for fun DA's Stats for 4th start in his career
Derek Anderson CLE 20 33 328 5 1 Win Cinci
Since it will be something we do talk about I think it is fair to post how each QB did at similar times in their careers in similar situations. Start 1 - 3 was basically a statistical draw.
On a side note. It would have been interesting to see what people would have said about this game if DA played like this in his 4th start of his career. I really hope to see improvement in BQs game and I really hope he completes more than 2 passes that travel 10 yards in the air. Will be able to make a better judgement next week against a Broncos team that BQ has already put up huge numbers against. And I do pick the Browns to win this game.
Just got back from Vegas. watched the game in a sports book. Defense played a good first half but seemed worn down from the offense not being able to sustain a drive in the second half. 7 possession of 4 or less plays, 6 possessions of 7 or fewer yards, 5 punts, TWO turnovers, end of half and loss on downs. That is 9 of the possessions ending poorly and in this case quickly. Average of 2.20 minutes per drive. Only one time in the red zone and that was a FG.
Cleveland Drives
1st Quarter
Time: Starting Plays Yards Result
3:31 CLE 49 8 31 FG
2:29 CLE 22 4 -4 Punt
2nd Quarter
2:04 CLE 14 3 -4 Punt
5:05 CLE 25 9 73 FG
1:42 CLE 42 3 5 Punt
1:04 CLE 39 3 1 End Half
3rd Quarter
1:21 CLE 28 3 22 Int
2:45 CLE 19 7 30 Punt
4th Quarter
1:42 CLE 27 4 7 Fumble
0:50 CLE 26 3 3 Punt
1:06 CLE 19 6 17 Downs
2:35 CLE 20 9 80 TD
I think that the defense had a better game than the offense in this game. The Browns lead at half time because of special teams and the defense. The defense wore down in the fourth quarter.
And another thing I noticed (I could be wrong but seemed this way) was that BQ only completed TWO passes that traveled in the air longer than 10 yards. One in the first drive and the TD at the end when the Vikings seemed to be letting the receivers catch the ball in front of them.
I did not read many of the posts on this subject, this is just something I saw. I still think the Browns go 7 - 9 or 8 -8. I had this game marked as a loss anyways. The disturbing part was how bad the offense was. I expect to see improvement next week.
Just for fun DA's Stats for 4th start in his career
Derek Anderson CLE 20 33 328 5 1 Win Cinci
Since it will be something we do talk about I think it is fair to post how each QB did at similar times in their careers in similar situations. Start 1 - 3 was basically a statistical draw.
On a side note. It would have been interesting to see what people would have said about this game if DA played like this in his 4th start of his career. I really hope to see improvement in BQs game and I really hope he completes more than 2 passes that travel 10 yards in the air. Will be able to make a better judgement next week against a Broncos team that BQ has already put up huge numbers against. And I do pick the Browns to win this game.
Did you just seriously try to compare the 2007 Cincinnati Bengals to the 2009 Minnesota Vikings? There is no freakin' way you can compare the 4th starts of their careers without seriously taking into consideration the opponent. Its an apples to oranges comparison.
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I was just doing it to compare 4th start vs 4th start. Next week will be 5th start vs 5th start. By the end of the year it should work out. It is similar age, similar situation & similar overall schedule. Obviously each start will not match up as talent level. For instance in Cincy two DA had a horrible game, I most certainly think that BQ will win that comparsion (that game is against the raiders).
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Brady Quinn sucks and always has! Can we please put Derek Anderson back in. I’m so sick of people stating the case for Quinn that he was a better round draft pick (Tom Brady) was a 6th round draft pick. Or Quinn is from Ohio… I’m from Ohio should I be quarter back… The guy is a stiff I think they pulled Derek Anderson out last year after he scored 27 points but still lost because of the defense… When Derek was in the offense was not a problem it was the defense, so why did we change the offense around.
Brady Quinn sucks and always has! Can we please put Derek Anderson back in. I’m so sick of people stating the case for Quinn that he was a better round draft pick (Tom Brady) was a 6th round draft pick. Or Quinn is from Ohio… I’m from Ohio should I be quarter back… The guy is a stiff I think they pulled Derek Anderson out last year after he scored 27 points but still lost because of the defense… When Derek was in the offense was not a problem it was the defense, so why did we change the offense around.
A high round draft pick doing nothing for us just like the old days with Bernie. The difference is Bernie could throw but not run. That interception quinn threw on 2nd down and 2 to go with no pressure, I mean no one within 4 yards. That just makes me give up. DA had a hell of a season with no Defence to back him up. That was the best QB since SIPE!!!
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I was just doing it to compare 4th start vs 4th start. Next week will be 5th start vs 5th start. By the end of the year it should work out. It is similar age, similar situation & similar overall schedule. Obviously each start will not match up as talent level. For instance in Cincy two DA had a horrible game, I most certainly think that BQ will win that comparsion (that game is against the raiders).
I was just doing it to compare 4th start vs 4th start. Next week will be 5th start vs 5th start. By the end of the year it should work out. It is similar age, similar situation & similar overall schedule. Obviously each start will not match up as talent level. For instance in Cincy two DA had a horrible game, I most certainly think that BQ will win that comparsion (that game is against the raiders).
You weren't comparing anything, just doing your typical Andersonite drivel. It is amazing people want to whine about Quinn, when his impact on the game, in the end was quite overrated.
The Browns were uncohesive pile of sheet, the coaching staff Tresselesque playcalling and players trying to figure out where to get in position at.
Yet, we whine about Quinn. Mercy.
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Masters said:
You don't have to wait for check down routes to develope (unless we are talking a TE or RB chip before the route). That's why they are check downs. They are the quicker developing route.Exactly. that's why Quinn loves them so much. And that's how you can complete your 14 of your first 23 passes and still have less than 100 yards.
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This is why I have never been a fan of Quinn.
Quinn was sacked 5 times a-la Charlie Frye because he holds the ball too long. He does this because he waits for his check down routes to develope. This is because he cannot throw an accurate deep ball to save his life. He moves around the pocket too much as well. He did slightly better in the second half with this, probably because the O-line and coaches gave him hell about it during halftime, but ended up taking more sacks. All of this is because throwing it deep is just not an option and never will be for him.
Before I get replies telling me that you can win without the deep ball let me elaborate.
When your QB cannot throw the deep routes or 10+yard outs, you become very limited on offense. Remember Braylon and KII with Frye? Now remember Braylon and KII with DA?! Remember our O-line with Frye? Remember our O-line with DA? When your QB is as limited as Frye or Quinn is, you have to throw away half of your playbook. That is an absolute recipe for failure. Adding to the lack of essential NFL tools Quinn is also in a state of complete panic in the pocket.
I'm out!
PS. This is my first post! It feels good to be here!
This is why I have never been a fan of Quinn.
Quinn was sacked 5 times a-la Charlie Frye because he holds the ball too long. He does this because he waits for his check down routes to develope. This is because he cannot throw an accurate deep ball to save his life. He moves around the pocket too much as well. He did slightly better in the second half with this, probably because the O-line and coaches gave him hell about it during halftime, but ended up taking more sacks. All of this is because throwing it deep is just not an option and never will be for him.
Before I get replies telling me that you can win without the deep ball let me elaborate.
When your QB cannot throw the deep routes or 10+yard outs, you become very limited on offense. Remember Braylon and KII with Frye? Now remember Braylon and KII with DA?! Remember our O-line with Frye? Remember our O-line with DA? When your QB is as limited as Frye or Quinn is, you have to throw away half of your playbook. That is an absolute recipe for failure. Adding to the lack of essential NFL tools Quinn is also in a state of complete panic in the pocket.
I'm out!
PS. This is my first post! It feels good to be here!
Nope, Quinn got sacked five times because the o-line was a sieve. I lost count of the number of times he rolled out to avoid pressure. Anderson the statue would have gotten knocked out of the game by halftime with the kind of heat the Vikes were bringing.
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Masters said:
You don't have to wait for check down routes to develope (unless we are talking a TE or RB chip before the route). That's why they are check downs. They are the quicker developing route.Exactly! I am talking about the RBs and TEs. That's because those are usually the checkdowns (on any team) and they seem to be his favorite targets and so waiting on them is getting him sacked too many times and getting us in too many 3rd and 7s.
Check down routes are usually delayed. RBs and TEs typically stay at the line for pocket support, and then go into their route when the timer in their head expires (2-3 sec) and there is nobody to block. Sometimes TEs run short quick routes but those are mainly on plays where the TE is NOT the checkdown but rather, the 1st option like on pop-passes and hitches. That rule also applies to RBs. They are typically the 3rd option on a play. Why would the 3rd option have a quick developing route? They would be left standing in one spot waiting for the QB to work his way through Braylon, Furry, and Cribbs. TEs and RBs aka; "checkdowns", are nothing but a safety net for an offense unless you have Tony Gonzalez, Witten, D. Clark or Gates. Brady uses them as the main offensive weapon. This will not get us very far at all. We will become a one dimensional, restricted offensive team. That's an opposing defense's greatest ally and our defense's worst enemy.
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This is why I have never been a fan of Quinn.
Quinn was sacked 5 times a-la Charlie Frye because he holds the ball too long. He does this because he waits for his check down routes to develope. This is because he cannot throw an accurate deep ball to save his life. He moves around the pocket too much as well. He did slightly better in the second half with this, probably because the O-line and coaches gave him hell about it during halftime, but ended up taking more sacks. All of this is because throwing it deep is just not an option and never will be for him.
Before I get replies telling me that you can win without the deep ball let me elaborate.
When your QB cannot throw the deep routes or 10+yard outs, you become very limited on offense. Remember Braylon and KII with Frye? Now remember Braylon and KII with DA?! Remember our O-line with Frye? Remember our O-line with DA? When your QB is as limited as Frye or Quinn is, you have to throw away half of your playbook. That is an absolute recipe for failure. Adding to the lack of essential NFL tools Quinn is also in a state of complete panic in the pocket.
I'm out!
PS. This is my first post! It feels good to be here!
Nope, Quinn got sacked five times because the o-line was a sieve. I lost count of the number of times he rolled out to avoid pressure. Anderson the statue would have gotten knocked out of the game by halftime with the kind of heat the Vikes were bringing.
Nope, Quinn got sacked five times because the o-line was a sieve. I lost count of the number of times he rolled out to avoid pressure. Anderson the statue would have gotten knocked out of the game by halftime with the kind of heat the Vikes were bringing.
We thought the same thing about Frye. We talked about how bad the O-line was even though it looked really good on paper. Then, DA comes into a game where they know we must throw. They pin their ears back and bring the house and what happened? He gets sacked once or twice in three times as much playing time as Frye. DA doesn't get sacked because he stands in the pocket (this is a good trait by the way) lets his O-line do their jobs and gets 2 more seconds to throw than BQ does. This makes the O-line's job much, much easier. When your back is turned to your QB and he bails out of the pocket too soon, the guy you are engaged with changes direction and angles towards your QB and you don't know where he is anymore, and so you either have to hold or let your guy go. If you know where your QB is going to be, you can hold your blocks accordingly, giving your QB another second or two of time. This is why I say he looks "panicked" like Frye. He can't sit still. He must improve on this, soon.
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First post yada yada. We need to trade Anderson now or half of the fan base is going to be bitching about Quinn all year every time we don't win. This isn't going to help Quinn's confidence. Trade Anderson so Quinn knows he won't get benched and he may play differently/better. If Quinn doesn't show any signs of improvement, draft a QB.
Going to be real sick of DA fans every time the team loses and have to read 400 posts about how DA would have won us the game, when we wouldn't have because we have too many other holes.
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Masters said:
You don't have to wait for check down routes to develope (unless we are talking a TE or RB chip before the route). That's why they are check downs. They are the quicker developing route.Exactly! I am talking about the RBs and TEs. That's because those are usually the checkdowns (on any team) and they seem to be his favorite targets and so waiting on them is getting him sacked too many times and getting us in too many 3rd and 7s.
Check down routes are usually delayed. RBs and TEs typically stay at the line for pocket support, and then go into their route when the timer in their head expires (2-3 sec) and there is nobody to block. Sometimes TEs run short quick routes but those are mainly on plays where the TE is NOT the checkdown but rather, the 1st option like on pop-passes and hitches. That rule also applies to RBs. They are typically the 3rd option on a play. Why would the 3rd option have a quick developing route? They would be left standing in one spot waiting for the QB to work his way through Braylon, Furry, and Cribbs. TEs and RBs aka; "checkdowns", are nothing but a safety net for an offense unless you have Tony Gonzalez, Witten, D. Clark or Gates. Brady uses them as the main offensive weapon. This will not get us very far at all. We will become a one dimensional, restricted offensive team. That's an opposing defense's greatest ally and our defense's worst enemy.
Exactly! I am talking about the RBs and TEs. That's because those are usually the checkdowns (on any team) and they seem to be his favorite targets and so waiting on them is getting him sacked too many times and getting us in too many 3rd and 7s.
Check down routes are usually delayed. RBs and TEs typically stay at the line for pocket support, and then go into their route when the timer in their head expires (2-3 sec) and there is nobody to block. Sometimes TEs run short quick routes but those are mainly on plays where the TE is NOT the checkdown but rather, the 1st option like on pop-passes and hitches. That rule also applies to RBs. They are typically the 3rd option on a play. Why would the 3rd option have a quick developing route? They would be left standing in one spot waiting for the QB to work his way through Braylon, Furry, and Cribbs. TEs and RBs aka; "checkdowns", are nothing but a safety net for an offense unless you have Tony Gonzalez, Witten, D. Clark or Gates. Brady uses them as the main offensive weapon. This will not get us very far at all. We will become a one dimensional, restricted offensive team. That's an opposing defense's greatest ally and our defense's worst enemy.
A check down is any of the available receivers in the route that are not your first read. It is often a TE or RB. But when and where they get out constantly changes. The check down or dump off is the saftey valve for when primary read is covered or the pass rush pressure requires you to get rid of the ball sooner than planned for. It can be a back sitting off toward the sideline near the line of scrimage, a swing around the end, anyone setting up in a open spot in a zone, a out, an in, etc. But check down routes are all routes designed for quick devleopment so their is the saftey valve against pressure. You can't dump off to avoid quick pressure on a slow developing route.
Did Quinn go to his check down at times sooner than maybe he needed to? I think so. How much I can't say as I don't have the luxury of watching the game film from the endzone camera.
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Nope, Quinn got sacked five times because the o-line was a sieve. I lost count of the number of times he rolled out to avoid pressure. Anderson the statue would have gotten knocked out of the game by halftime with the kind of heat the Vikes were bringing.
We thought the same thing about Frye. We talked about how bad the O-line was even though it looked really good on paper. Then, DA comes into a game where they know we must throw. They pin their ears back and bring the house and what happened? He gets sacked once or twice in three times as much playing time as Frye. DA doesn't get sacked because he stands in the pocket (this is a good trait by the way) lets his O-line do their jobs and gets 2 more seconds to throw than BQ does. This makes the O-line's job much, much easier. When your back is turned to your QB and he bails out of the pocket too soon, the guy you are engaged with changes direction and angles towards your QB and you don't know where he is anymore, and so you either have to hold or let your guy go. If you know where your QB is going to be, you can hold your blocks accordingly, giving your QB another second or two of time. This is why I say he looks "panicked" like Frye. He can't sit still. He must improve on this, soon.
When your back is turned to your QB and he bails out of the pocket too soon, the guy you are engaged with changes direction and angles towards your QB and you don't know where he is anymore, and so you either have to hold or let your guy go. If you know where your QB is going to be, you can hold your blocks accordingly, giving your QB another second or two of time. This is why I say he looks "panicked" like Frye. He can't sit still. He must improve on this, soon.
Which is it, did Quinn stay in the pocket too long waiting for his check down or did he flee the pocket too soon? Because you are changing between the too.
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Nope, Quinn got sacked five times because the o-line was a sieve. I lost count of the number of times he rolled out to avoid pressure. Anderson the statue would have gotten knocked out of the game by halftime with the kind of heat the Vikes were bringing.
We thought the same thing about Frye. We talked about how bad the O-line was even though it looked really good on paper. Then, DA comes into a game where they know we must throw. They pin their ears back and bring the house and what happened? He gets sacked once or twice in three times as much playing time as Frye. DA doesn't get sacked because he stands in the pocket (this is a good trait by the way) lets his O-line do their jobs and gets 2 more seconds to throw than BQ does. This makes the O-line's job much, much easier. When your back is turned to your QB and he bails out of the pocket too soon, the guy you are engaged with changes direction and angles towards your QB and you don't know where he is anymore, and so you either have to hold or let your guy go. If you know where your QB is going to be, you can hold your blocks accordingly, giving your QB another second or two of time. This is why I say he looks "panicked" like Frye. He can't sit still. He must improve on this, soon.
DA doesn't get sacked because he stands in the pocket (this is a good trait by the way) lets his O-line do their jobs and gets 2 more seconds to throw than BQ does. This makes the O-line's job much, much easier. When your back is turned to your QB and he bails out of the pocket too soon, the guy you are engaged with changes direction and angles towards your QB and you don't know where he is anymore, and so you either have to hold or let your guy go. If you know where your QB is going to be, you can hold your blocks accordingly, giving your QB another second or two of time. This is why I say he looks "panicked" like Frye. He can't sit still. He must improve on this, soon.
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Guess who else's job gets more difficult when the QB leaves the pocket? The defense.
1. They now have a moving target for the pass rush rather than just running at the tallest stationary thing on the field.
2. The DB's world just got turned upside down.
Don't believe me? Get one of the Stooler Pukes to tell you the name of their Quarterback, then maybe do a quick Google search.
Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck. -Don Shula -
Quinn is fine, it's the O-Line that is the problem
Somewhat naive.....no??
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When your back is turned to your QB and he bails out of the pocket too soon, the guy you are engaged with changes direction and angles towards your QB and you don't know where he is anymore, and so you either have to hold or let your guy go. If you know where your QB is going to be, you can hold your blocks accordingly, giving your QB another second or two of time. This is why I say he looks "panicked" like Frye. He can't sit still. He must improve on this, soon.
Which is it, did Quinn stay in the pocket too long waiting for his check down or did he flee the pocket too soon? Because you are changing between the too.
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Which is it, did Quinn stay in the pocket too long waiting for his check down or did he flee the pocket too soon? Because you are changing between the too.I never said he "stayed in the pocket" too long. If I did that wasn't what I meant. I think I said he holds onto the ball too long AND he runs around too much. All signs pointing to a QB who doesn't have faith in his abilities. He reminds me of Charlie Frye.
I really hope he improves, I really do for the sake of the team, but I just don't see it. I get the impression Mangini wants to give him his shot in a throw-away season so when he goes and gets a QB next year, through trade or free agency, he can say he tried everything. Quinn just looks like a buff Charlie Frye to me.
DA isn't the answer either, but I do feel like he gives a better chance to win this year.
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