Is Joe Woods gone yet ?
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If the Browns bring in Schwartz or Flores, I admit it's an upgrade over Woods from a coaching perspective. However if there isn't significant resources invested into the defensive line... multiple draft picks and somehow god willing, a cheap and effective vet in FA, then we'll be right back where we were next season asking our offense to win shootouts, not getting our pass rushers more snaps to attack the QB, and exposing our secondary in ways that is unnecessary week in and week out.
Yes.
The Browns have to invest heavily on the DLine this offseason, including bringing in a legit, longterm DE to pair with Myles.
Yes.
The Browns have to invest heavily on the DLine this offseason, including bringing in a legit, longterm DE to pair with Myles.
They needed to last year (and everyone knew it except our FO), who informed people they don't believe in paying big $ to IDL. Hopefully, they Coyote Uglied that thought right out of existence.
I brought up DT Travis Jones in my 3rd round wish list numerous times pre-draft; but he went 2 slots before we made our 2nd third round pick. After seeing Emerson become a bright spot in our secondary I should probably just be thankful we got 1 right. In the next round I thought we were getting a steal with Winfrey; and that still has a chance of unfolding if Nurse Ratched keeps him compliant with his meds.
I love your idea about DE especially after seeing how often Clowney's heart just wasn't into it here. The only problem is 31 other teams need another edge rusher for the long haul. My guess is Cleveland might not be the most appealing place; but I'll be happy to be wrong about that. When I look at the wear and tear of DE/OLB edge rushers - the 1st thing I think of is how often a guy like Joey Bosa isn't available on game day due to injuries. I think his brother Nick missed most of his 2nd season to injury as well. Chase Young has missed a lot of football too. This year TJ Watt missed a couple months while Buffalo's biggest off-season acquisition Von Miller went on IR halfway through the season. 17 games of crash test dummy when the Commissioner that allegedly cares so much about player safety has guys playing late Sunday afternoon/evening only to put them back out there on the following Thursday.
At least we have a 2nd round pick this year so we should be able to select a DT or DE that can help us immediately.
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Yes.
The Browns have to invest heavily on the DLine this offseason, including bringing in a legit, longterm DE to pair with Myles.
Quick thoughts on that.
I'm going to disagree with a 'longterm' DE to bring in. Because, unless they're prepared to look in the mirror, the front office likely believes that's going to be Alex Wright. Similar to what happened with Tommy Togiai and Jordan Elliot last season, Berry and Depo believe that their picks are gold, will grow into roles and that if they don't produce, it just HAS to be the coaches fault.
At least, that's my concern. Isiah Thomas on the other hand did have some decent minutes, so I have little doubt he'll be retained. I think he provides quality depth. Wino should never be a starting edge, but as a DPR and special teams player he can make this team. Which means you're looking at a mid to late round edge. I wouldn't even be mad if this entire upcoming draft was IDL, LB, Edge depth and maybe another look around at late OT.
That's for my projection on the front office. For my own personal philosophy, I'm concerned less with the edge rush now and more with building what I call a 'complete rush'. The Rams with Donald and Von, Steelers with TJ and Cam, Bosa and Armstead in San Fran... you get my point. I want edge rush AND interior push. This organization has placed too much focus outside and not enough inside. We can't limit the run, we can't re-establish the LOS on the interior, we can't move guards and centers. This really came to a head against Bailey Zappe and the Pats. Because of our inability to stop the run, the Patriots were able to structure their offensive formations in such a way that they essentially were able to dictate how Clowney and Myles were sent upfield being forced to constantly bend wide corners on slide protects. The fact the man had a single sack in that game is a testament to his talent and hustle.
We need interior players and Elliot, Togiai and Taven are all expendable. I have hopes that Perrion can grow into that 3tech which helps balance this pass rush, but the kid has also been a bit of a head case his rookie year. Which is why I mentioned a couple IDL picks and a Vet. You literally need a completely revamped interior, so that's 3 spots up for grabs.
I'd also like to take this moment to mention that Andrew Billings had a hell of a year for the Raiders. So that makes things sting just a bit more.
That's for my projection on the front office. For my own personal philosophy, I'm concerned less with the edge rush now and more with building what I call a 'complete rush'. The Rams with Donald and Von, Steelers with TJ and Cam, Bosa and Armstead in San Fran... you get my point. I want edge rush AND interior push.
Yes, please
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I'd prefer to not let your two lead-off hitters walk out the building...
Sources: The Browns will interview Tennessee's Jim Schwartz tomorrow,(Wednesday) andPittsburgh's Brian Flores on Thursday for their defensive coordinator job, per sources.(Cleveland still working out timing with NE's Jerod Mayo and Seattle's Sean Desai.)8:32 PM · Jan 10, 2023
Albert Breer@AlbertBreerSources: The Browns will interview Tennessee's Jim Schwartz tomorrow, and Pittsburgh's Brian Flores on Thursday for their defensive coordinator job, per sources.
(Cleveland still working out timing with NE's Jerod Mayo and Seattle's Sean Desai.)I'd prefer to not let your two lead-off hitters walk out the building...
Sources: The Browns will interview Tennessee's Jim Schwartz tomorrow,(Wednesday) andPittsburgh's Brian Flores on Thursday for their defensive coordinator job, per sources.(Cleveland still working out timing with NE's Jerod Mayo and Seattle's Sean Desai.)Browns DC candidate Jerod Mayo is in talks for a long-term contract with Patriots.With Sean Desai, another candidate, ensconced in a wild card game with Seattle.I don't know why Kevin Stefanski wouldn't choose between Brian Flores and Jim Schwartz and get a deal done. (oh really?)9:02 PM · Jan 12, 2023
Tony Grossi@TonyGrossiBrowns DC candidate Jerod Mayo is in talks for a long-term contract with Patriots. With Sean Desai, another candidate, ensconced in a wild card game with Seattle, I don't know why Kevin Stefanski wouldn't choose between Brian Flores and Jim Schwartz and get a deal done.Cough/Cough/Belch.. ?Dear, my fandom 3 dumb ______'s ...Jimmy Has-Been..Dingle Berry.. De-Pud-PullerLet's do some simple anal math..1. Five teams need a new Head Coach.... along comes Staff's (including DC)2. Browns & Atlanta need a DCWho's to believe either of the Top 2 DC's (w/HC'ing backgrounds) will return for this job? Surely not Stef..(he's next season's fall guy)Should have paid a man Jimmy... ? ... it could be another 4th & long (shot) at this DC job -
Berry's next move, is to interview a Eagles candidate..(shocker)
Eagles Dennard Wilson has a free Saturday.
I had a thought/like, that Vic Fangio would get on Berry's interview list?
Nah,
According to ESPN insider Adam Schefter, when he returns to the NFL head-coaching ranks, Payton is eyeing Vic Fangio as his defensive coordinator.
Sean Payton is so interested in returning to coaching in the NFL that he's already putting together an all-star staff that includes former Denver Broncos head coach Vic Fangio as his potential defensive coordinator, league sources told ESPN.
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You have to wonder how appealing the Browns DC job is, considering many people might consider Stefanski a lame-duck head coach who most likely is on a very warm seat.
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Before the playoffs are over [tomorrow for them] - I'm ruling out the DC of Minnesota.
He'll be available because he found a way to be worse than Joe Woods.. and he needs to remain "available."
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Before the playoffs are over [tomorrow for them] - I'm ruling out the DC of Minnesota.
He'll be available because he found a way to be worse than Joe Woods.. and he needs to remain "available."
Before the playoffs are over [tomorrow for them] - I'm ruling out the DC of Minnesota.
He'll be available because he found a way to be worse than Joe Woods.. and he needs to remain "available."
I admit, I've only watched the two games of the Vikes this year - but holy hell, were they bad. The glaring thing to me was their zone rotations/replacements, or lack of. I felt like there was absolutely ZERO communication between their DB's and LB's, especially in that Colts game. So yeah, you have found a literally shit treasure chest with that coaching staff.
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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Seahawks’ loss in the Wild Card round could be the Browns’ gain.
With Seattle losing 41-23 to the 49ers on Saturday, the Browns were able to line up Sean Desai, associate head coach and defensive assistant, to interview for their defensive coordinator vacancy on Monday, a league source told cleveland.com. He’ll fly to Cleveland today and interview at Browns headquarters on Monday.
Desai, 39, was Pete Carroll’s righthand man in Seattle this season after serving as the Bears’ defensive coordinator in 2021.
Desai is one of four candidates to replace Joe Woods, and the fourth to interview. The others are Titans senior defensive assistant Jim Schwartz, Steelers senior defensive assistant Brian Flores, and Eagles passing game coordinator Dennard Wilson.
All four are still in the mix.
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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Seahawks’ loss in the Wild Card round could be the Browns’ gain.
With Seattle losing 41-23 to the 49ers on Saturday, the Browns were able to line up Sean Desai, associate head coach and defensive assistant, to interview for their defensive coordinator vacancy on Monday, a league source told cleveland.com. He’ll fly to Cleveland today and interview at Browns headquarters on Monday.
Desai, 39, was Pete Carroll’s righthand man in Seattle this season after serving as the Bears’ defensive coordinator in 2021.
Desai is one of four candidates to replace Joe Woods, and the fourth to interview. The others are Titans senior defensive assistant Jim Schwartz, Steelers senior defensive assistant Brian Flores, and Eagles passing game coordinator Dennard Wilson.
All four are still in the mix.
Desai is one of four candidates to replace Joe Woods, and the fourth to interview.
6 playoff teams left (can't interview/what's the odds of staff changes, but promoted HC's)
Zona hired a GM that interviewed here vs. Berry
Carolina has Sean Peyton interviewing today (Steve Wilks was open to interview.. Interviewed in Carolina for HC/pending)
Colts? Denver? Atlanta searching a DC
All four are still in the mix.
My Preference.
1) Jim Schwartz ( Hire this guy ! )
2) Brian Flores (reports 2023 HC)
3) Dennard Wilson (I know nothing about/ and who's he staffing as a DC?)
4)Sean Desai.. May attract FA Poona Ford? but yikes !
1.) Are we waiting on Steve Wilks or Brian Flores to get a Head Coaching job?
2.) A Playoff Team coach to interview?
Jim Schwartz has had no interest/interviews since in Cleveland ?
Planting my Camp Hire Jim Schwartz flag here ?
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Please Hold ?
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
So Desai isn’t any better than Woods, a prime candidate for Dingle Berry.
Last I knew, Clint Hurtt was listed as the DC in Seattle while Desai was listed as the Associate Defensive Head Coach. He joined Seattle in 2022 after spending his first 9 years with the Bears (and serving as their Defensive Coordinator up through the 2021 season). The Bears were 6-11 his last year there; but keep in mind HC Matt Nagy was in the process of making life difficult on a very promising 1st round QB prospect (Justin Fields). It's hard to tell how good Desai was doing there in spite of all that on the defensive side. Who knows how many 3 and outs, turnovers or short fields they had to make the best of...
If they still don't think IDL/DTs should be more of a priority than they made it last year - maybe they should hire David Copperfield...
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So Desai isn’t any better than Woods, a prime candidate for Dingle Berry.
Last I knew, Clint Hurtt was listed as the DC in Seattle while Desai was listed as the Associate Defensive Head Coach. He joined Seattle in 2022 after spending his first 9 years with the Bears (and serving as their Defensive Coordinator up through the 2021 season). The Bears were 6-11 his last year there; but keep in mind HC Matt Nagy was in the process of making life difficult on a very promising 1st round QB prospect (Justin Fields). It's hard to tell how good Desai was doing there in spite of all that on the defensive side. Who knows how many 3 and outs, turnovers or short fields they had to make the best of...
If they still don't think IDL/DTs should be more of a priority than they made it last year - maybe they should hire David Copperfield...
If they still don't think IDL/DTs should be more of a priority than they made it last year - maybe they should hire David Copperfield...
?? Poetic gold Flugs! ??
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Desai is one of four candidates to replace Joe Woods, and the fourth to interview.
6 playoff teams left (can't interview/what's the odds of staff changes, but promoted HC's)
Zona hired a GM that interviewed here vs. Berry
Carolina has Sean Peyton interviewing today (Steve Wilks was open to interview.. Interviewed in Carolina for HC/pending)
Colts? Denver? Atlanta searching a DC
All four are still in the mix.
My Preference.
1) Jim Schwartz ( Hire this guy ! )
2) Brian Flores (reports 2023 HC)
3) Dennard Wilson (I know nothing about/ and who's he staffing as a DC?)
4)Sean Desai.. May attract FA Poona Ford? but yikes !
1.) Are we waiting on Steve Wilks or Brian Flores to get a Head Coaching job?
2.) A Playoff Team coach to interview?
Jim Schwartz has had no interest/interviews since in Cleveland ?
Planting my Camp Hire Jim Schwartz flag here ?
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Please Hold ?
My Preference.
1) Jim Schwartz ( Hire this guy ! )
Planting my Camp Hire Jim Schwartz flag here ?
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Please Hold ?
" HIRE Jimmy Schwartz ! "
Camp Closed ?️ Good hire & Well Done AB !
#LFG !
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Now its time to start concentrating on getting the Browns DLine better via the draft and free agency.
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Now its time to start concentrating on getting the Browns DLine better via the draft and free agency.
Now its time to start concentrating on getting the Browns DLine better via the draft and free agency.
Find the Money ? roll Tide
How? Can't pay LB Deion Jones at 14M.. Can we roll with... Walker/Ragland/Taki & JOK ?
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