Hall of Fame - Joe Thomas
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I will end up buying a Joe Thomas jersey. I wonder if I can trade in my two Tim Couch jerseys when I do....
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This may be sacrilege to some. I believe Joe Thomas to be the greatest Cleveland Brown.
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This may be sacrilege to some. I believe Joe Thomas to be the greatest Cleveland Brown.
He's certainly one of them.
I think the most underrated player of all time is Otto Graham. No professional football QB in any era has ever led their team to 10 consecutive Championship Games and won 7 of them in the first/only 10 years of his career. The last 6 of those were in the NFL where they won 3 of the 6 Championships Otto led them to. It was a different era where QBs weren't babied in the rules so ideal completion percentages weren't as easy to achieve. The Browns only won 1 more NFL Championship in 1964 after Otto retired. That's a pretty freakin awesome impact as the leader of this team.
Jim Brown often gets more attention for obvious reasons. To this day - there's still a lot of fans left that think he's the best NFL player of all time.
There's a few GREAT men that I wouldn't have any problem with hearing they are the greatest Cleveland Brown.
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This may be sacrilege to some. I believe Joe Thomas to be the greatest Cleveland Brown.
He's certainly one of them.
I think the most underrated player of all time is Otto Graham. No professional football QB in any era has ever led their team to 10 consecutive Championship Games and won 7 of them in the first/only 10 years of his career. The last 6 of those were in the NFL where they won 3 of the 6 Championships Otto led them to. It was a different era where QBs weren't babied in the rules so ideal completion percentages weren't as easy to achieve. The Browns only won 1 more NFL Championship in 1964 after Otto retired. That's a pretty freakin awesome impact as the leader of this team.
Jim Brown often gets more attention for obvious reasons. To this day - there's still a lot of fans left that think he's the best NFL player of all time.
There's a few GREAT men that I wouldn't have any problem with hearing they are the greatest Cleveland Brown.
He's certainly one of them.
I think the most underrated player of all time is Otto Graham. No professional football QB in any era has ever led their team to 10 consecutive Championship Games and won 7 of them in the first/only 10 years of his career. The last 6 of those were in the NFL where they won 3 of the 6 Championships Otto led them to. It was a different era where QBs weren't babied in the rules so ideal completion percentages weren't as easy to achieve. The Browns only won 1 more NFL Championship in 1964 after Otto retired. That's a pretty freakin awesome impact as the leader of this team.
Jim Brown often gets more attention for obvious reasons. To this day - there's still a lot of fans left that think he's the best NFL player of all time.
There's a few GREAT men that I wouldn't have any problem with hearing they are the greatest Cleveland Brown.
I don't remember watching Graham play - he retired when I was about 5 yrs old, I think. But yes, he was considered the greatest qb ever to play the game by many. He is truly a great legend in the sport. Graham was the G.O.A.T.
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He's certainly one of them.
I think the most underrated player of all time is Otto Graham. No professional football QB in any era has ever led their team to 10 consecutive Championship Games and won 7 of them in the first/only 10 years of his career. The last 6 of those were in the NFL where they won 3 of the 6 Championships Otto led them to. It was a different era where QBs weren't babied in the rules so ideal completion percentages weren't as easy to achieve. The Browns only won 1 more NFL Championship in 1964 after Otto retired. That's a pretty freakin awesome impact as the leader of this team.
Jim Brown often gets more attention for obvious reasons. To this day - there's still a lot of fans left that think he's the best NFL player of all time.
There's a few GREAT men that I wouldn't have any problem with hearing they are the greatest Cleveland Brown.
I don't remember watching Graham play - he retired when I was about 5 yrs old, I think. But yes, he was considered the greatest qb ever to play the game by many. He is truly a great legend in the sport. Graham was the G.O.A.T.
I don't remember watching Graham play - he retired when I was about 5 yrs old, I think. But yes, he was considered the greatest qb ever to play the game by many. He is truly a great legend in the sport. Graham was the G.O.A.T.
The odd thing about Graham was he was a Running Back in College..... It just amazes me that PB had the vision to make him the trigger man...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Who was the last Cleveland Brown player to be inducted?
Without a Google search I think Ozzie Newsome was the most recent player to make it into the HOF.
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I don't remember watching Graham play - he retired when I was about 5 yrs old, I think. But yes, he was considered the greatest qb ever to play the game by many. He is truly a great legend in the sport. Graham was the G.O.A.T.
The odd thing about Graham was he was a Running Back in College..... It just amazes me that PB had the vision to make him the trigger man...
The odd thing about Graham was he was a Running Back in College..... It just amazes me that PB had the vision to make him the trigger man...
I hear that a lot but when I look him up Nicks - it's always showing him mostly as a QB. Early on in college he had a 90 yard yard punt return for a TD. He set the Big 10 Conference record for completions with 89 one season. He also threw 2 TD passes and ran for a score in Northwestern's victory over Paul Brown's Ohio State Buckeyes. He did rush for quite a few TDs so that could be why people think he played RB at Northwestern.
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This may be sacrilege to some. I believe Joe Thomas to be the greatest Cleveland Brown.
Joe is in the top 5, but I have to rank Otto Graham and certainly Jim Brown ahead of him.
JB racked up his 12,312 rushing yards in nine seasons when they were only playing 12 and 14 games FWIW. When he retired there wasn't another running back within 5,000 yards of him, that's how dominant he was. I strongly believe if Jim had gone the Jerry Rice route, and played until he couldn't play anymore, he'd still hold the all time rushing record.
But Hollywood called... Back then, the NFL didn't pay all that well. JB was the first player to break the $100,000 salary barrier. In case you're wondering, that's less than a million in 2022 dollars. (As an aside to that, the 46 retired jersey number I use belonged to DB Don Fleming- who was making so little NFL money he had to take a summer job with Cleveland Electric, and managed to get himself electrocuted.) Back then, a lot of other players had to do the same.
BTW I'm old enough that I can say I was able to see Jim Brown play in person. Ah, those were the days when the Browns could beat up on the expansion Cowboys 45-7.
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This may be sacrilege to some. I believe Joe Thomas to be the greatest Cleveland Brown.
Joe is in the top 5, but I have to rank Otto Graham and certainly Jim Brown ahead of him.
JB racked up his 12,312 rushing yards in nine seasons when they were only playing 12 and 14 games FWIW. When he retired there wasn't another running back within 5,000 yards of him, that's how dominant he was. I strongly believe if Jim had gone the Jerry Rice route, and played until he couldn't play anymore, he'd still hold the all time rushing record.
But Hollywood called... Back then, the NFL didn't pay all that well. JB was the first player to break the $100,000 salary barrier. In case you're wondering, that's less than a million in 2022 dollars. (As an aside to that, the 46 retired jersey number I use belonged to DB Don Fleming- who was making so little NFL money he had to take a summer job with Cleveland Electric, and managed to get himself electrocuted.) Back then, a lot of other players had to do the same.
BTW I'm old enough that I can say I was able to see Jim Brown play in person. Ah, those were the days when the Browns could beat up on the expansion Cowboys 45-7.
Ah, those were the days when the Browns could beat up on the expansion Cowboys 45-7.
...and beat the Steelers EVERY time.
No matter what you think of Jim Brown, it's awfully hard to argue against him as the best Cleveland Brown ever. He is the reason this little boy watching football on TV in Rhode Island became a Browns fan.
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When the subject of the best Browns players is brought up, the discussion is almost exclusively offensive players.
Some might say Otto Graham, more will say Jim Brown, a few might mention Joe Thomas or Paul Warfield.
I think an argument can be made that the most underrated Browns player is Bill Willis.
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Ah, those were the days when the Browns could beat up on the expansion Cowboys 45-7.
...and beat the Steelers EVERY time.
No matter what you think of Jim Brown, it's awfully hard to argue against him as the best Cleveland Brown ever. He is the reason this little boy watching football on TV in Rhode Island became a Browns fan.
...and beat the Steelers EVERY time.
No matter what you think of Jim Brown, it's awfully hard to argue against him as the best Cleveland Brown ever. He is the reason this little boy watching football on TV in Rhode Island became a Browns fan.
Of course you know... Just ask any Steelers fan- the history of the NFL started in 1970....
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When the subject of the best Browns players is brought up, the discussion is almost exclusively offensive players.
Some might say Otto Graham, more will say Jim Brown, a few might mention Joe Thomas or Paul Warfield.
I think an argument can be made that the most underrated Browns player is Bill Willis.
When the subject of the best Browns players is brought up, the discussion is almost exclusively offensive players.
Some might say Otto Graham, more will say Jim Brown, a few might mention Joe Thomas or Paul Warfield.
I think an argument can be made that the most underrated Browns player is Bill Willis.
Regarding defensive players... MHO... Clay Matthews would have been in the HOF LONG ago if he had played for the Steelers instead. Myron Cope would have guaranteed that... I'm surprised Frenchie Fuqua isn't in yet either...
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I won't get in to the rating thing, but they did name it Lou Groza Blvd. for a reason. There is also a Lou Groza award .
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I won't get in to the rating thing, but they did name it Lou Groza Blvd. for a reason. There is also a Lou Groza award .
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the super bowl trophy should be named after Paul Brown he did more for the game than vince
No.
I'll agree that Brown did more to advance professional football than Lombardi did, but Lombardi was the better head coach, and he won the first two Super Bowls.
Its fine how it is.
How about the NFL Coach of the Year being awarded the Paul Brown Award?
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the super bowl trophy should be named after Paul Brown he did more for the game than vince
No.
I'll agree that Brown did more to advance professional football than Lombardi did, but Lombardi was the better head coach, and he won the first two Super Bowls.
Its fine how it is.
How about the NFL Coach of the Year being awarded the Paul Brown Award?
No.
I'll agree that Brown did more to advance professional football than Lombardi did, but Lombardi was the better head coach, and he won the first two Super Bowls.
Its fine how it is.
How about the NFL Coach of the Year being awarded the Paul Brown Award?
not getting to in depth but
Paul took the Buckeyes to their first national championship
Won all four AAFC championships
Won three NFL championships
also won NFL coach of the year three times
Vince also won three NFL championships and yes two super bowls but never head coached at three different levels
so ya fuck lombardi
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oh wait forgot to add that Paul also coached four high school national championships so make that four different levels of the game where he has won
and again fuck lombardi
oh wait forgot to add that Paul also coached four high school national championships so make that four different levels of the game where he has won
and again fuck lombardi
Awesome.
No one outside of Browns fans would consider Paul Brown a better NFL head coach than Lombardi.
Hell, Paul Browns win % with the Browns in the NFL was duplicated exactly by Blanton Collier.
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oh wait forgot to add that Paul also coached four high school national championships so make that four different levels of the game where he has won
and again fuck lombardi
Awesome.
No one outside of Browns fans would consider Paul Brown a better NFL head coach than Lombardi.
Hell, Paul Browns win % with the Browns in the NFL was duplicated exactly by Blanton Collier.
Awesome.
No one outside of Browns fans would consider Paul Brown a better NFL head coach than Lombardi.
Hell, Paul Browns win % with the Browns in the NFL was duplicated exactly by Blanton Collier.
I just think his body of work was better that that dude from green bay and he did have three stadiums named after him untill haslem changed the name
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