2023 Browns NFL Draft Prospects
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Somewhat odd ?
What comes next/ is a Teams Pro Day schedule..
March 7: Indiana
March 9: Harvard, Nevada, Texas
March 10: Illinois, Rice
March 13: Oregon State, South Carolina, Western Michigan
March 14: Northwestern, Oregon
March 15: Georgia, Louisiana, Mercer, Michigan State, Minnesota, UCLA
March 17: Michigan
March 20: Bowling Green, Iowa, James Madison, Syracuse, Toledo
March 21: Maine, Ohio, Princeton
March 22: Bryant, Ohio State, SMU, Stanford, Temple, UAB, UConn, UTSA, Weber State
March 23: Alabama, Cincinnati, Holy Cross, Stephen F. Austin, Utah, William & Mary, Wisconsin, Yale
March 24: Boston College, Houston, Kentucky, Missouri, Old Dominion, San Jose State
March 27: Boise State, Memphis, Miami, North Carolina, Sam Houston State, West Virginia
March 28: Arkansas State, NC State, Texas A&M, Washington State, Vanderbilt
March 29: Arkansas, Incarnate Word, LSU, Maryland, North Dakota State, North Texas, Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, Pittsburgh, Texas Tech, Washington, Wake Forest, Western Kentucky
March 30: Appalachian State, Oklahoma, TCU
March 31: Florida State, Kansas, Kansas State
April 5: Montana State
@dutch-oven I've looked at many schedule sites.. And can't seem to find a Penn State's anywhere.. Maybe clearing WR Parker Washington might have something to do with scheduling a Penn State Pro day ?
We could use a replacement Jarvis Landry anywhere
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
to Those interested in WR RAS scores as a group..
RAS scores.. 10 high to low@mathbomb (individual's can be found here)for the WRs who did testing yesterday. Seems like a less disappointing group when viewed this way, I think? (Only three below-average RAS scores, most top guys with very high-level production.)
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Achane's 40 was 3rd best in the 2023 combine at 4.32 secs. Two CBs had 4.26 and 4.30.
EDIT: That was the 4th fastest RB 40 in the past 20 years of the combine.
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One class left.. RB/OL today at 1 PM..
My interest is to settle on a late round RB. Evan Hall vs. Deuce Vaughn vs. my local favorite Keaton Mitchell..
Combining this class of DB/WR/TE.. 10 players fell on the all time Top Performer list ?..
Not convinced this is a B overall draft graded year.. stick with mid C / imo
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atta ECU Pirate Keaton Mitchell ?
4.38 40.. ranks 3rd, with #1 10 split of 1.48
Go catch the ball Key !
atta ECU Pirate Keaton Mitchell ?
4.38 40.. ranks 3rd, with #1 10 split of 1.48
Go catch the ball Key !
Give you one guess who came in #2 in the 10 yd split at 1.51. A clue can be found above. And what does that tell you? The other one is the long distance home run hitter that few DBs can catch when he breaks through. They may both be right there in the 2nd when we pick, maybe one is BPA. Ya never know.
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I don't know much about Mitchell. Will have to check.
I really like Achane, but I really doubt we use a 2nd rounder on a back.
My feeling is Berry discounts backs a bit. Most teams do to some degree. I would love to get the guy if he was there for us in the 3rd, or even try to work a trade to move up to get him if he falls a bit further than 42, and i think he will.
He might be near BPA at 42, but that might be on some boards, but not on ours.
Also, I saw something in one of the articles that Berry thinks Ford can fill the receiving back role. I think Achanes value will be determined by how many teams think he can play 3 downs. If most see him as a Sproles type player, then he probably drops to the 3rd or further. If a team or twelve think he can take the rock on a regular basis and be productive, then he won't make it to 42.
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"A concern of Scott’s game is his drops. According to Pro Football Focus, Scott had a drop rate of 11.3%"
As much as I love the story of a local kid, that's damn near going to scratch him immediately off my list. Seen too many receivers with questionable hands come through. And my cut-off is about that 9% mark, volume dependent.
I thought that was the WR with the insane drop rate, but when I looked him up a scouting report didn't mention it (what?) so I thought perhaps it was another local kid I was mixing him up with.
I still like the Penn State kid, though.
I thought that was the WR with the insane drop rate, but when I looked him up a scouting report didn't mention it (what?) so I thought perhaps it was another local kid I was mixing him up with.
I still like the Penn State kid, though.
Not to put any pressure on you or jinx ya - but you got me intrigued by him too! The good news about that is if he disappoints - you can blame me.
I usually get 2 draft magazines that are a good guide; but I haven't seen either one yet. They usually come out right after the Combines without the recently updated 40 times. Last year, I only found Lindy's Sports Pro Football Draft here in Florida. They prolly think people in Florida can't read or something judging by head-on collisions on 1 way streets and the "No Cop No Stop" tickets being given right next to those adorable red stop signs. We can read - honest!
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I don't know much about Mitchell. Will have to check.
I really like Achane, but I really doubt we use a 2nd rounder on a back.
My feeling is Berry discounts backs a bit. Most teams do to some degree. I would love to get the guy if he was there for us in the 3rd, or even try to work a trade to move up to get him if he falls a bit further than 42, and i think he will.
He might be near BPA at 42, but that might be on some boards, but not on ours.
Also, I saw something in one of the articles that Berry thinks Ford can fill the receiving back role. I think Achanes value will be determined by how many teams think he can play 3 downs. If most see him as a Sproles type player, then he probably drops to the 3rd or further. If a team or twelve think he can take the rock on a regular basis and be productive, then he won't make it to 42.
I don't know much about Mitchell. Will have to check.
I really like Achane, but I really doubt we use a 2nd rounder on a back.
My feeling is Berry discounts backs a bit. Most teams do to some degree. I would love to get the guy if he was there for us in the 3rd, or even try to work a trade to move up to get him if he falls a bit further than 42, and i think he will.
He might be near BPA at 42, but that might be on some boards, but not on ours.
Also, I saw something in one of the articles that Berry thinks Ford can fill the receiving back role. I think Achanes value will be determined by how many teams think he can play 3 downs. If most see him as a Sproles type player, then he probably drops to the 3rd or further. If a team or twelve think he can take the rock on a regular basis and be productive, then he won't make it to 42.
Ss Antonio Johnson or Jordan Battle might be there too as BPA and position of need. And I agree on Ford. I like him a lot and think he gets a greater role should we drop or trade a RB.
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A.T. Perry still looking good. Reminds me of Michael Jenkins at times.
Also, speaking of Buckeyes - Stroud really showing out for that #1 overall, #1 QB.
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I thought that was the WR with the insane drop rate, but when I looked him up a scouting report didn't mention it (what?) so I thought perhaps it was another local kid I was mixing him up with.
I still like the Penn State kid, though.
Not to put any pressure on you or jinx ya - but you got me intrigued by him too! The good news about that is if he disappoints - you can blame me.
I usually get 2 draft magazines that are a good guide; but I haven't seen either one yet. They usually come out right after the Combines without the recently updated 40 times. Last year, I only found Lindy's Sports Pro Football Draft here in Florida. They prolly think people in Florida can't read or something judging by head-on collisions on 1 way streets and the "No Cop No Stop" tickets being given right next to those adorable red stop signs. We can read - honest!
Not to put any pressure on you or jinx ya - but you got me intrigued by him too! The good news about that is if he disappoints - you can blame me.
I usually get 2 draft magazines that are a good guide; but I haven't seen either one yet. They usually come out right after the Combines without the recently updated 40 times. Last year, I only found Lindy's Sports Pro Football Draft here in Florida. They prolly think people in Florida can't read or something judging by head-on collisions on 1 way streets and the "No Cop No Stop" tickets being given right next to those adorable red stop signs. We can read - honest!
I usually look for the Lindy's magazine around St. Patrick's Day, that seems to be when it comes out.
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atta ECU Pirate Keaton Mitchell ?
4.38 40.. ranks 3rd, with #1 10 split of 1.48
Go catch the ball Key !
Give you one guess who came in #2 in the 10 yd split at 1.51. A clue can be found above. And what does that tell you? The other one is the long distance home run hitter that few DBs can catch when he breaks through. They may both be right there in the 2nd when we pick, maybe one is BPA. Ya never know.
Give you one guess who came in #2 in the 10 yd split at 1.51. A clue can be found above. And what does that tell you? The other one is the long distance home run hitter that few DBs can catch when he breaks through. They may both be right there in the 2nd when we pick, maybe one is BPA. Ya never know.
We spent a 5th on Jerome Ford..
I'm a grad of where K.Hunt graduated from.. I'm gonna hate losing a animal like Hunt.. but Ford's RB2 in 2023 is coming..
Achane has a 2nd or 3rd round grade ..
I need a rookie back to boot Felton or D'Ernest Johnson's RFA deal at camp..
I'd prefer one of Deuce/Mitchell or Hull and hope we only spend a Ford 5th or a Felton's 6th rounder to replace one or both..
I still can't believe RB John Kelly has not been picked off our PS.. Bigger needs than a RB, before the 5th/imo
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Give you one guess who came in #2 in the 10 yd split at 1.51. A clue can be found above. And what does that tell you? The other one is the long distance home run hitter that few DBs can catch when he breaks through. They may both be right there in the 2nd when we pick, maybe one is BPA. Ya never know.
We spent a 5th on Jerome Ford..
I'm a grad of where K.Hunt graduated from.. I'm gonna hate losing a animal like Hunt.. but Ford's RB2 in 2023 is coming..
Achane has a 2nd or 3rd round grade ..
I need a rookie back to boot Felton or D'Ernest Johnson's RFA deal at camp..
I'd prefer one of Deuce/Mitchell or Hull and hope we only spend a Ford 5th or a Felton's 6th rounder to replace one or both..
I still can't believe RB John Kelly has not been picked off our PS.. Bigger needs than a RB, before the 5th/imo
We spent a 5th on Jerome Ford..
I'm a grad of where K.Hunt graduated from.. I'm gonna hate losing a animal like Hunt.. but Ford's RB2 in 2023 is coming..
Achane has a 2nd or 3rd round grade ..
I need a rookie back to boot Felton or D'Ernest Johnson's RFA deal at camp..
I'd prefer one of Deuce/Mitchell or Hull and hope we only spend a Ford 5th or a Felton's 6th rounder to replace one or both..
I still can't believe RB John Kelly has not been picked off our PS.. Bigger needs than a RB, before the 5th/imo
The good thing about the RB position these days is they aren't being prioritized early on in the draft. I'll bet there will be some good RBs available in round 7 or in the undrafted opportunities. As much as I criticize Berry, he does a pretty good at finding late round RBs that can help us. Now if he can expand this art of not reaching on guys to other positions, he just might get this whole thang figured out here in 2023...
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Off the top of my head, we could do with more than one IDL. Possibly an Edge as replacement for Clowney. A replacement for Deion Jones, who we can no longer afford. A possible replacement or upgrade over Walker Jr. An upgrade over DPJ as #2 WR. An upgrade over Bryant as #2 TE. Competition and a possible '24 replacement for Harris at C. And there is probably more...
With respect, why are we talking about RB? Even without Hunt, it is one of our most stacked position groups. Probably second only to CB. Would be more than happy to go into the season with Johnson and Ford behind Chubb.
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We spent a 5th on Jerome Ford..
I'm a grad of where K.Hunt graduated from.. I'm gonna hate losing a animal like Hunt.. but Ford's RB2 in 2023 is coming..
Achane has a 2nd or 3rd round grade ..
I need a rookie back to boot Felton or D'Ernest Johnson's RFA deal at camp..
I'd prefer one of Deuce/Mitchell or Hull and hope we only spend a Ford 5th or a Felton's 6th rounder to replace one or both..
I still can't believe RB John Kelly has not been picked off our PS.. Bigger needs than a RB, before the 5th/imo
The good thing about the RB position these days is they aren't being prioritized early on in the draft. I'll bet there will be some good RBs available in round 7 or in the undrafted opportunities. As much as I criticize Berry, he does a pretty good at finding late round RBs that can help us. Now if he can expand this art of not reaching on guys to other positions, he just might get this whole thang figured out here in 2023...
The good thing about the RB position these days is they aren't being prioritized early on in the draft. I'll bet there will be some good RBs available in round 7 or in the undrafted opportunities. As much as I criticize Berry, he does a pretty good at finding late round RBs that can help us. Now if he can expand this art of not reaching on guys to other positions, he just might get this whole thang figured out here in 2023...
All true, but how often does a guy land as BPA that has true timed track speeds that would have come in 6th in the last Olympics in both the 100m and 200m. He has that 7th gear and very good hands to boot with the ability to lose coverage and get those long 1st downs or better. Achane may be sitting right there on day 2 with speed that has proven to transfer to full pads. The reason I put the TD video against Bama was because of the kind of speed only a Bama has on STs top to bottom. He made them look slow.
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Off the top of my head, we could do with more than one IDL. Possibly an Edge as replacement for Clowney. A replacement for Deion Jones, who we can no longer afford. A possible replacement or upgrade over Walker Jr. An upgrade over DPJ as #2 WR. An upgrade over Bryant as #2 TE. Competition and a possible '24 replacement for Harris at C. And there is probably more...
With respect, why are we talking about RB? Even without Hunt, it is one of our most stacked position groups. Probably second only to CB. Would be more than happy to go into the season with Johnson and Ford behind Chubb.
Off the top of my head, we could do with more than one IDL. Possibly an Edge as replacement for Clowney. A replacement for Deion Jones, who we can no longer afford. A possible replacement or upgrade over Walker Jr. An upgrade over DPJ as #2 WR. An upgrade over Bryant as #2 TE. Competition and a possible '24 replacement for Harris at C. And there is probably more...
With respect, why are we talking about RB? Even without Hunt, it is one of our most stacked position groups. Probably second only to CB. Would be more than happy to go into the season with Johnson and Ford behind Chubb.
We've been talking about needing to make IDL a priority since last year at this time so I don't mind people talking about the RB position in the same type of places we've been adding depth to that position (anywhere from round 5 to undrafted FAs). People have been talking about finding a WR in this draft. I know I'd like one.
When your draft begins in round 2, it's not a year to show up to the draft buffet on an empty stomach. I think we'll get a better idea of what the LBers can do when better IDL keeps the OL off our Backers. When we couldn't do that 4 LBers ended up on IR.
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Off the top of my head, we could do with more than one IDL. Possibly an Edge as replacement for Clowney. A replacement for Deion Jones, who we can no longer afford. A possible replacement or upgrade over Walker Jr. An upgrade over DPJ as #2 WR. An upgrade over Bryant as #2 TE. Competition and a possible '24 replacement for Harris at C. And there is probably more...
With respect, why are we talking about RB? Even without Hunt, it is one of our most stacked position groups. Probably second only to CB. Would be more than happy to go into the season with Johnson and Ford behind Chubb.
We've been talking about needing to make IDL a priority since last year at this time so I don't mind people talking about the RB position in the same type of places we've been adding depth to that position (anywhere from round 5 to undrafted FAs). People have been talking about finding a WR in this draft. I know I'd like one.
When your draft begins in round 2, it's not a year to show up to the draft buffet on an empty stomach. I think we'll get a better idea of what the LBers can do when better IDL keeps the OL off our Backers. When we couldn't do that 4 LBers ended up on IR.
We've been talking about needing to make IDL a priority since last year at this time so I don't mind people talking about the RB position in the same type of places we've been adding depth to that position (anywhere from round 5 to undrafted FAs). People have been talking about finding a WR in this draft. I know I'd like one.
When your draft begins in round 2, it's not a year to show up to the draft buffet on an empty stomach. I think we'll get a better idea of what the LBers can do when better IDL keeps the OL off our Backers. When we couldn't do that 4 LBers ended up on IR.
It's not that I mind discussing the position. Heck, I'm partaking in the discussion.
It's that I would prioritize all the positions I mentioned over RB currently, because of the backs we already have. Wouldn't even spend a late-rounder on one.
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We've been talking about needing to make IDL a priority since last year at this time so I don't mind people talking about the RB position in the same type of places we've been adding depth to that position (anywhere from round 5 to undrafted FAs). People have been talking about finding a WR in this draft. I know I'd like one.
When your draft begins in round 2, it's not a year to show up to the draft buffet on an empty stomach. I think we'll get a better idea of what the LBers can do when better IDL keeps the OL off our Backers. When we couldn't do that 4 LBers ended up on IR.
It's not that I mind discussing the position. Heck, I'm partaking in the discussion.
It's that I would prioritize all the positions I mentioned over RB currently, because of the backs we already have. Wouldn't even spend a late-rounder on one.
It's not that I mind discussing the position. Heck, I'm partaking in the discussion.
It's that I would prioritize all the positions I mentioned over RB currently, because of the backs we already have. Wouldn't even spend a late-rounder on one.
Sounds good, but if the BPA is a RB that's so much better than an alternative position of need, what then?
For example, DT is a high position of need, but this is one of the weakest drafts ever for a quality DT. Which do you take then?
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We've been talking about needing to make IDL a priority since last year at this time so I don't mind people talking about the RB position in the same type of places we've been adding depth to that position (anywhere from round 5 to undrafted FAs). People have been talking about finding a WR in this draft. I know I'd like one.
When your draft begins in round 2, it's not a year to show up to the draft buffet on an empty stomach. I think we'll get a better idea of what the LBers can do when better IDL keeps the OL off our Backers. When we couldn't do that 4 LBers ended up on IR.
It's not that I mind discussing the position. Heck, I'm partaking in the discussion.
It's that I would prioritize all the positions I mentioned over RB currently, because of the backs we already have. Wouldn't even spend a late-rounder on one.
It's not that I mind discussing the position. Heck, I'm partaking in the discussion.
It's that I would prioritize all the positions I mentioned over RB currently, because of the backs we already have. Wouldn't even spend a late-rounder on one.
I don't think we need to draft one either; but I wouldn't mind adding 1 or 2 Undrafted FA RBs. I think Herman Fontenot was one of those back in our 86 season we went 12-4 in. He had 47 receptions out of the backfield playing almost exclusively on 3rd downs back when we already had Kevin Mack, Earnest Byner, and Curtis Dickey splitting most of the carries. Fontenot was a nobody from LSU that converted countless 3rd downs for us lining up in the backfield and catching the ball. That's a perfect example of why you still look for an undrafted RB even when you already have a crowded backfield. This is exactly what our current team is missing IMO.
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It's not that I mind discussing the position. Heck, I'm partaking in the discussion.
It's that I would prioritize all the positions I mentioned over RB currently, because of the backs we already have. Wouldn't even spend a late-rounder on one.
Sounds good, but if the BPA is a RB that's so much better than an alternative position of need, what then?
For example, DT is a high position of need, but this is one of the weakest drafts ever for a quality DT. Which do you take then?
Sounds good, but if the BPA is a RB that's so much better than an alternative position of need, what then?
For example, DT is a high position of need, but this is one of the weakest drafts ever for a quality DT. Which do you take then?
BPA is a fine creed, but it shouldn't become a religion. Surely a quality player for the many positions I mentioned will be available when we get to pick. We have too many needs. RB shouldn't even be a want.
Same goes for CB for that matter. As for the counter that Nickel as actually a need, because Newsome said he didn't want to play that anymore, I say he should stop whining like a little b***h and play his ass off. Emerson surpassed him already.
I don't think we need to draft one either; but I wouldn't mind adding 1 or 2 Undrafted FA RBs. I think Herman Fontenot was one of those back in our 86 season we went 12-4 in. He had 47 receptions out of the backfield playing almost exclusively on 3rd downs back when we already had Kevin Mack, Earnest Byner, and Curtis Dickey splitting most of the carries. Fontenot was a nobody from LSU that converted countless 3rd downs for us lining up in the backfield and catching the ball. That's a perfect example of why you still look for an undrafted RB even when you already have a crowded backfield. This is exactly what our current team is missing IMO.
UFA is another matter. No capital wasted there. And I do like a strong backfield for sure.
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