Week 2 Matchup - Browns Vs Broncos
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Broncs fan thanks for some great insight to your team.
Always happy to talk Broncos football, especially with you guys, who are some of the best fans in the NFL. The scoutng report reminded me of an area I missed, special teams...
McDaniels is holding nothing back on ST's. Expect Royal back returning kicks and punts, Champ on return coverage, he'll throw the kitchen sink at you if he has to. Overall this area is the most improved on the team, both with new young blood, and an increased emphasis in the off season. I still don't know if we have an answer for Cribbs who is simply phenomenal, but expect a very sound showing overall.
Always happy to talk Broncos football, especially with you guys, who are some of the best fans in the NFL. The scoutng report reminded me of an area I missed, special teams...
McDaniels is holding nothing back on ST's. Expect Royal back returning kicks and punts, Champ on return coverage, he'll throw the kitchen sink at you if he has to. Overall this area is the most improved on the team, both with new young blood, and an increased emphasis in the off season. I still don't know if we have an answer for Cribbs who is simply phenomenal, but expect a very sound showing overall.
Our ST's, while we scored last week, were a major disappointment. Cribbs made a very poor decision to bring out a kickoff that he had bobbled in the endzone and subsequently we followed that up with a prepare to punt drive and then Zastudil kicking an eminently returnable line drive. Hence, the Vikes got gift field position. The coverage units were also terrible and our top ST's rookie Maiava, bot a holding penalty.
The Browns need their ST's to be elite weekly, which they are, but they need to show it. One concern for you guys is according to Grossi your punter is the line drive type, which bodes well for Cribbs. I'm also curious if the Browns get Cribbs back involved with the coverage units.
The strength of your defense is the back 4 and Dumervil, so we may be seeing some more Quinn dinking and dunking. Actually, both sides may doing that quite often.
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Always happy to talk Broncos football, especially with you guys, who are some of the best fans in the NFL. The scoutng report reminded me of an area I missed, special teams...
McDaniels is holding nothing back on ST's. Expect Royal back returning kicks and punts, Champ on return coverage, he'll throw the kitchen sink at you if he has to. Overall this area is the most improved on the team, both with new young blood, and an increased emphasis in the off season. I still don't know if we have an answer for Cribbs who is simply phenomenal, but expect a very sound showing overall.
Our ST's, while we scored last week, were a major disappointment. Cribbs made a very poor decision to bring out a kickoff that he had bobbled in the endzone and subsequently we followed that up with a prepare to punt drive and then Zastudil kicking an eminently returnable line drive. Hence, the Vikes got gift field position. The coverage units were also terrible and our top ST's rookie Maiava, bot a holding penalty.
The Browns need their ST's to be elite weekly, which they are, but they need to show it. One concern for you guys is according to Grossi your punter is the line drive type, which bodes well for Cribbs. I'm also curious if the Browns get Cribbs back involved with the coverage units.
The strength of your defense is the back 4 and Dumervil, so we may be seeing some more Quinn dinking and dunking. Actually, both sides may doing that quite often.
The Browns need their ST's to be elite weekly, which they are, but they need to show it. One concern for you guys is according to Grossi your punter is the line drive type, which bodes well for Cribbs. I'm also curious if the Browns get Cribbs back involved with the coverage units.
Agreed on the line drive punter, maybe McDaniels will be smarter than Shanny against Hester and just kick it away from him. I was flipping between you guys, and the Broncos game Sunday, I saw what looked like a fairly good return from Cribbs towards the end. The guy has impressed me every time I see him, to the point that on 4th inside your 45 I would just go for it rather than let him return, we aren't going to save that much field position anyways.
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@inspecta said:
Yeah but in all fairness to Cribbs I remember one time he did that during a Pittsburgh game, what followed was probably the most exciting and electric kick return for a TD that I've ever witnessed in my life. Can't blame the guy for thinking he could do it again....I don't remember him being in endzone against Pitt though, like more at one or two yardline.
It was still a poor decision. This was a field position, ball management game. Bringing it out is one thing, but not after bobbling it like that.
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From a theoretical standpoint the browns should ravage the bronco's... now enter an over conservative offensive gameplan a new center and qb ,2 poorly performing players on the right side of the o-line ,WRs that are slow in response and speed with no hands or ability to seperate and a defense that wears out from being on the field to much and i would say its going to be a close low scoring game of 3 and outs...
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@inspecta said:
Dude he bobbled the ball it went into the endzone he had to go back and get the ball then bring it out.When you have a player that's taken it to the house as many times as he has and has brought the ball out to mid field as many times as he has I'll let him take it out any time he wants because any one of those times can change the game. If it was Northcutt or some other scrub I would be in agreement with you. But this is Cribbs we're talking about. He can break it anytime. And the more reps he gets the higher the chance is he's gonna break one. Besides at that point he had already taken a punt to the house. My point is if Cribbs wants to take it out, I think he's earned enough juice that he has the leeway to make that decision
Ball was never in the endzone in the Pitt game, look at it again.
He should have never brought that ball out last week, period. You don't bobble a ball that far in the endzone and bring it out. You risk giving your team shitty field position, which is exactly what happened.
The chances of making a miraculous return are minuscule, while the chances of giving your team a shitty starting position are substantial. Also, that bobble happened before the punt return I believe, not that it matters.
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@inspecta said:
My point is if Cribbs wants to take it out, I think he's earned enough juice that he has the leeway to make that decisionI agree with Inspecta. We needed a play, a spark, and our best offense is Cribbs fielding a punt/kick.
There are plenty of times where a bobbled ball or deep kick throws the timing of the kick team off, over-committment takes place and holes open and someone like Cribbs can still get to the promise land.
It ain't like we got him involved in the offense other than those two red zone plays.
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@inspecta said:
My point is if Cribbs wants to take it out, I think he's earned enough juice that he has the leeway to make that decisionI agree with Inspecta. We needed a play, a spark, and our best offense is Cribbs fielding a punt/kick.
There are plenty of times where a bobbled ball or deep kick throws the timing of the kick team off, over-committment takes place and holes open and someone like Cribbs can still get to the promise land.
It ain't like we got him involved in the offense other than those two red zone plays.
I agree with Inspecta. We needed a play, a spark, and our best offense is Cribbs fielding a punt/kick.
There are plenty of times where a bobbled ball or deep kick throws the timing of the kick team off, over-committment takes place and holes open and someone like Cribbs can still get to the promise land.
It ain't like we got him involved in the offense other than those two red zone plays.
Yeah, well I found no fans around me that agree with either of you two nor the coaching staff that was none too pleasantly pleased as evidenced by them coming out onto the field after him.
Of course you would like it Satn, gives Queen shitty FG position against one of the league's best defenses. A little better than when DA started out around the 50 when Cribbs made a legit return after catching the ball. You were also whining on Facebook that Quinn should have put more than 3 on the board after the failed onside kick....so which is it, field position important or not?
Christ almighty the guy ain't superman, plus the ball was in the middle of the field. It was a stupid, moronic decision by one of our best players, that's all it was. WTF, all this QB bullshit has got guys forgetting the fundamentals of the friggen game.
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I agree with Inspecta. We needed a play, a spark, and our best offense is Cribbs fielding a punt/kick.
There are plenty of times where a bobbled ball or deep kick throws the timing of the kick team off, over-committment takes place and holes open and someone like Cribbs can still get to the promise land.
It ain't like we got him involved in the offense other than those two red zone plays.
Yeah, well I found no fans around me that agree with either of you two nor the coaching staff that was none too pleasantly pleased as evidenced by them coming out onto the field after him.
Of course you would like it Satn, gives Queen shitty FG position against one of the league's best defenses. A little better than when DA started out around the 50 when Cribbs made a legit return after catching the ball. You were also whining on Facebook that Quinn should have put more than 3 on the board after the failed onside kick....so which is it, field position important or not?
Christ almighty the guy ain't superman, plus the ball was in the middle of the field. It was a stupid, moronic decision by one of our best players, that's all it was. WTF, all this QB bullshit has got guys forgetting the fundamentals of the friggen game.
Yeah, well I found no fans around me that agree with either of you two nor the coaching staff that was none too pleasantly pleased as evidenced by them coming out onto the field after him.
Of course you would like it Satn, gives Queen shitty FG position against one of the league's best defenses. A little better than when DA started out around the 50 when Cribbs made a legit return after catching the ball. You were also whining on Facebook that Quinn should have put more than 3 on the board after the failed onside kick....so which is it, field position important or not?
Christ almighty the guy ain't superman, plus the ball was in the middle of the field. It was a stupid, moronic decision by one of our best players, that's all it was. WTF, all this QB bullshit has got guys forgetting the fundamentals of the friggen game.
First of all the Vikings being one of the leagues best defenses, was upgraded to the Best Defense ever ... I believe they are calling them the Purple People Eaters II ... so get it right.
Secondly, I wasn't hoping for poor field position, I was looking for Cribbs to freaking score period, because I didn't have much faith that we could dink it in, from the 20-yardline, or hell, even from the 50 as evident to start the game!
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@inspecta said:
Ok, wow yeah the ball was never in the endzone but he was. The point was after bobbling the ball and going back into our own endzone he promptly took it to the house. Like Stan said, Cribbs was and still is our best offensive weapon. We needed to get some field position, and starting at the 10 or 20 is really negligible as far as how your offense goes about starting it's drive. however had he returned it to the 50 well then we start talking about taking some big shots down the field. Anytime Cribbs gets the ball he has the potential to take it to the house, no matter what the "odds" say. He's done it enough times that if he wants to return it from the very back of the end zone I let him have at it. Until opposing ST units can stop him on a consistent basis (which they haven't) then Cribbs should be able to return whatever the f*ck he wants to return at any time no questions asked. I doubt Mangini came down on him for returning that kick. The last thing you want is Cribbs second guessing on whether or not he should return this kick or that kickNot sure what was said, but at least two coaches approached Cribbs after the stupid ass play. Look, I was there and right behind the play. He was lucky he got that ball out as far as he did. There was absolutely nowhere to go, the whole wall was bearing down on him. I'll say this again, you can bring the ball out if you catch it while in the endzone. You don't bring it out if you bobble it two or three yards deep, then look up and see a wall of defenders bearing donw on you . The play was fooking stupid and the coaches let him know about it. A bunch of us fans watched the whole thing go down after it happened and commented the whole time.
The difference in a manged game like that is you call the playbook at the twenty, at the ten you play paddycake and then let Zastuadil kick. In this case he kicked like a pansy and Minny got killer field position. This all started with Cribbs being stupid.
He's still my favorite player along with Thomas, but I'm not going to stick up for the guy when he does something moronic. Let JT give up a sack or two and watch the fans come calling on how he blows.....
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Yeah, well I found no fans around me that agree with either of you two nor the coaching staff that was none too pleasantly pleased as evidenced by them coming out onto the field after him.
Of course you would like it Satn, gives Queen shitty FG position against one of the league's best defenses. A little better than when DA started out around the 50 when Cribbs made a legit return after catching the ball. You were also whining on Facebook that Quinn should have put more than 3 on the board after the failed onside kick....so which is it, field position important or not?
Christ almighty the guy ain't superman, plus the ball was in the middle of the field. It was a stupid, moronic decision by one of our best players, that's all it was. WTF, all this QB bullshit has got guys forgetting the fundamentals of the friggen game.
First of all the Vikings being one of the leagues best defenses, was upgraded to the Best Defense ever ... I believe they are calling them the Purple People Eaters II ... so get it right.
Secondly, I wasn't hoping for poor field position, I was looking for Cribbs to freaking score period, because I didn't have much faith that we could dink it in, from the 20-yardline, or hell, even from the 50 as evident to start the game!
First of all the Vikings being one of the leagues best defenses, was upgraded to the Best Defense ever ... I believe they are calling them the Purple People Eaters II ... so get it right.
Secondly, I wasn't hoping for poor field position, I was looking for Cribbs to freaking score period, because I didn't have much faith that we could dink it in, from the 20-yardline, or hell, even from the 50 as evident to start the game!
Why don't you start making some intelligent posts instead of these over exaggerated slobberfests you have been doing all week. Maybe go back into retirement or something.
You don't post for 4 months then come on here with a bunch of bullshit.
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As far as our match up goes.
If we don't gain at least 100yds of rushing we are gonna be behind all day. Couple that with us giving up a 100yds + and we'll lose, can't be any more simple than that. Its obvious we don't need a huge game from our qb, just look at Farve's stats from last week.
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First of all the Vikings being one of the leagues best defenses, was upgraded to the Best Defense ever ... I believe they are calling them the Purple People Eaters II ... so get it right.
Secondly, I wasn't hoping for poor field position, I was looking for Cribbs to freaking score period, because I didn't have much faith that we could dink it in, from the 20-yardline, or hell, even from the 50 as evident to start the game!
Why don't you start making some intelligent posts instead of these over exaggerated slobberfests you have been doing all week. Maybe go back into retirement or something.
You don't post for 4 months then come on here with a bunch of bullshit.
Why don't you start making some intelligent posts instead of these over exaggerated slobberfests you have been doing all week. Maybe go back into retirement or something.
You don't post for 4 months then come on here with a bunch of bullshit.
Seriously, YOU are going to accuse me of an over exaggerated slobberfest? When you penned the following:
BQ has a TD called back on a throw where haters are trying to say wasn't even a good throw. Then, they go WildDawg and don't score. TD to Quinn. (That's not an over exaggerated slobberfest phantom TD that you are awarding?)
On the pick it was straight miscommunication. It is arguable who made the inappropriate read, although Braylons took credit for it. Wipe the pick off. (That's not an over exaggerated slobberfest phantom erasing of an INT?)
He very easily could have had a 22-36 game with 2 TD's, 250yds and no picks. (That's not am over exaggerated slobberfest phantom inflating of stats and accomplishments?)
Granted, the late TD was dressing but it was hugely needed to get the monkey off their backs. Those aren't that bad of stats, and maybe Braylons catches the one go route if he runs the right route. What that translates out ot in QBR I don't know, but probably well above 100. (That's not an over exaggerated slobberfest phantom inflated QB rating?)
On the Garo, DA never gets the opportunity to do something that goofy because he would have been sacked or chucked up a possible pick beforehand. (That's not an over exaggerated slobberfest phantom wish on the back-up/competition? )
Point being, Quinn did not play well and seemed reluctant to take more shots, but he was also feeling quite a bit of pressure, going up against a top defense, playing his first home start after being named full time starter and with a whole new staff and tons of different personnel. (That's not an over exaggerated slobberfest excuse filled closing line to an over exaggerated slobberfest excuse filled post?)
He was not as bad as he is being made out to be. Give the kid a chance.
(Kleenex?)
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@shepwrite said:
Broncos fan, how old is the stadium? Does it have a good "pitch," unlike San Diego's shityard? I know they just built it recently, right? I'm in row 16, 50 yard line, Browns side. Row 16 in Cleveland is amazing... in San Diego, it's a mile from the field.Embarassingly enough I don't know about the field "pitch", it was built in 2001. I have never been to the stadium myself, there are a ton of people over at my "home" website though who could tell you all about it, and many who will be tailgating if you wanted to drop by for a beer. Drop me a PM if you want the website info.
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Why don't you start making some intelligent posts instead of these over exaggerated slobberfests you have been doing all week. Maybe go back into retirement or something.
You don't post for 4 months then come on here with a bunch of bullshit.
Seriously, YOU are going to accuse me of an over exaggerated slobberfest? When you penned the following:
BQ has a TD called back on a throw where haters are trying to say wasn't even a good throw. Then, they go WildDawg and don't score. TD to Quinn. (That's not an over exaggerated slobberfest phantom TD that you are awarding?)
On the pick it was straight miscommunication. It is arguable who made the inappropriate read, although Braylons took credit for it. Wipe the pick off. (That's not an over exaggerated slobberfest phantom erasing of an INT?)
He very easily could have had a 22-36 game with 2 TD's, 250yds and no picks. (That's not am over exaggerated slobberfest phantom inflating of stats and accomplishments?)
Granted, the late TD was dressing but it was hugely needed to get the monkey off their backs. Those aren't that bad of stats, and maybe Braylons catches the one go route if he runs the right route. What that translates out ot in QBR I don't know, but probably well above 100. (That's not an over exaggerated slobberfest phantom inflated QB rating?)
On the Garo, DA never gets the opportunity to do something that goofy because he would have been sacked or chucked up a possible pick beforehand. (That's not an over exaggerated slobberfest phantom wish on the back-up/competition? )
Point being, Quinn did not play well and seemed reluctant to take more shots, but he was also feeling quite a bit of pressure, going up against a top defense, playing his first home start after being named full time starter and with a whole new staff and tons of different personnel. (That's not an over exaggerated slobberfest excuse filled closing line to an over exaggerated slobberfest excuse filled post?)
He was not as bad as he is being made out to be. Give the kid a chance.
(Kleenex?)
Seriously, YOU are going to accuse me of an over exaggerated slobberfest? When you penned the following:
Can't even talk the facts related to the thread.
Stupid take on Cribbs bringing the ball out. Let me know if you need ole Riff to give you some basic fundamental breakdowns of football next tailgate.
We'll work on more witty and handy comebacks for you then. Let's see, how many ways can we come up with Quinn sucks and bash fellow posters who don't throw him under the bus?
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@shepwrite said:
Broncos fan, how old is the stadium? Does it have a good "pitch," unlike San Diego's shityard? I know they just built it recently, right? I'm in row 16, 50 yard line, Browns side. Row 16 in Cleveland is amazing... in San Diego, it's a mile from the field.Shep I have been to Invesco Field many times (I pissed off Jake Plumber and he flipped me off, he got fined). The pitch is nice at the beginning of the season at the end sucks. When the ground is frozen. It's dirt. Very nice stadium over all, next door to Six Flags. Nice until about October. The most annoying fans anywhere, not violent (except the guy who threw a battery at my head) but annoying.
Go to the Wynkoop Brewery. 50 or so pool tables and the largest microbrewery in the US. Walking distance from Invesco.
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Would anyone care to do a similar write up (as short as you want) for me to post on the website I hang out on most of the time? Denver fans asking questions about Quinn, Cribbs, your OL, etc. Normally I would do a similar one for them, but as mentioned I haven't had time to keep up to date on you guys this year. You can either post it here, and I will cut and paste it (with credit given to original author on my site) or you can PM for the URL though you have to register to post, or indeed even read on my site.
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I agree with Inspecta. We needed a play, a spark, and our best offense is Cribbs fielding a punt/kick.
There are plenty of times where a bobbled ball or deep kick throws the timing of the kick team off, over-committment takes place and holes open and someone like Cribbs can still get to the promise land.
It ain't like we got him involved in the offense other than those two red zone plays.
Yeah, well I found no fans around me that agree with either of you two nor the coaching staff that was none too pleasantly pleased as evidenced by them coming out onto the field after him.
Of course you would like it Satn, gives Queen shitty FG position against one of the league's best defenses. A little better than when DA started out around the 50 when Cribbs made a legit return after catching the ball. You were also whining on Facebook that Quinn should have put more than 3 on the board after the failed onside kick....so which is it, field position important or not?
Christ almighty the guy ain't superman, plus the ball was in the middle of the field. It was a stupid, moronic decision by one of our best players, that's all it was. WTF, all this QB bullshit has got guys forgetting the fundamentals of the friggen game.
Christ almighty the guy ain't superman, plus the ball was in the middle of the field. It was a stupid, moronic decision by one of our best players, that's all it was. WTF, all this QB bullshit has got guys forgetting the fundamentals of the friggen game.
You're right of course, but Cribbs rarely makes a boneheaded mistake like that, and in fact I wouldn't call it boneheaded only because he is so talented you never know what can happen if he brings it out. Man I never want to take the ball out of his hands, but that was one play I am sure he'd want back.
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Would anyone care to do a similar write up (as short as you want) for me to post on the website I hang out on most of the time? Denver fans asking questions about Quinn, Cribbs, your OL, etc. Normally I would do a similar one for them, but as mentioned I haven't had time to keep up to date on you guys this year. You can either post it here, and I will cut and paste it (with credit given to original author on my site) or you can PM for the URL though you have to register to post, or indeed even read on my site.
Would anyone care to do a similar write up (as short as you want) for me to post on the website I hang out on most of the time? Denver fans asking questions about Quinn, Cribbs, your OL, etc. Normally I would do a similar one for them, but as mentioned I haven't had time to keep up to date on you guys this year. You can either post it here, and I will cut and paste it (with credit given to original author on my site) or you can PM for the URL though you have to register to post, or indeed even read on my site.
Classy.
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Would anyone care to do a similar write up (as short as you want) for me to post on the website I hang out on most of the time? Denver fans asking questions about Quinn, Cribbs, your OL, etc. Normally I would do a similar one for them, but as mentioned I haven't had time to keep up to date on you guys this year. You can either post it here, and I will cut and paste it (with credit given to original author on my site) or you can PM for the URL though you have to register to post, or indeed even read on my site.
Would anyone care to do a similar write up (as short as you want) for me to post on the website I hang out on most of the time? Denver fans asking questions about Quinn, Cribbs, your OL, etc. Normally I would do a similar one for them, but as mentioned I haven't had time to keep up to date on you guys this year. You can either post it here, and I will cut and paste it (with credit given to original author on my site) or you can PM for the URL though you have to register to post, or indeed even read on my site.
Go ahead and post the link, Lord knows we've tried hard to shame the apologist here away in droves and it hasn't worked. Maybe you can take some of these members off our hands, if only for the week.
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Would anyone care to do a similar write up (as short as you want) for me to post on the website I hang out on most of the time? Denver fans asking questions about Quinn, Cribbs, your OL, etc. Normally I would do a similar one for them, but as mentioned I haven't had time to keep up to date on you guys this year. You can either post it here, and I will cut and paste it (with credit given to original author on my site) or you can PM for the URL though you have to register to post, or indeed even read on my site.
Go ahead and post the link, Lord knows we've tried hard to shame the apologist here away in droves and it hasn't worked. Maybe you can take some of these members off our hands, if only for the week.
Go ahead and post the link, Lord knows we've tried hard to shame the apologist here away in droves and it hasn't worked. Maybe you can take some of these members off our hands, if only for the week.
www.orangemane.com is the board, thanks Stan. Been a while since I have been here, the aforementioned busy life taking too much time, but you still run a class establishment, hope to see more of ya soon
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