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  • Always amazes me that conservatives, Real America loving conservatives, haven taken up the fight to preserve public honoring of figure from the confederacy. A group america went to war with. 

    In their typical desperate reactionary freak out against change they've decided to hang their hats on traitors. 

    "Own the libs" first. Mental gymnastics second. 

    Not surprising. But unfortunate

    @mld-woody said:

    Always amazes me that conservatives, Real America loving conservatives, haven taken up the fight to preserve public honoring of figure from the confederacy. A group america went to war with. 

    In their typical desperate reactionary freak out against change they've decided to hang their hats on traitors. 

    "Own the libs" first. Mental gymnastics second. 

    Not surprising. But unfortunate

    You don't even understand the definitions of the words you use. All was forgiven, they put America back together again -

    and you still look more stupid than you think. But if misplaced sarcasm is all you have, must suck to be you, your beakness.

       Surely you will grow up someday and be a happy bird.

  • @mld-woody said:

    Always amazes me that conservatives, Real America loving conservatives, haven taken up the fight to preserve public honoring of figure from the confederacy. A group america went to war with. 

    In their typical desperate reactionary freak out against change they've decided to hang their hats on traitors. 

    "Own the libs" first. Mental gymnastics second. 

    Not surprising. But unfortunate

    You don't even understand the definitions of the words you use. All was forgiven, they put America back together again -

    and you still look more stupid than you think. But if misplaced sarcasm is all you have, must suck to be you, your beakness.

       Surely you will grow up someday and be a happy bird.

    @calfoxwc said:

    You don't even understand the definitions of the words you use. All was forgiven, they put America back together again -

    and you still look more stupid than you think. But if misplaced sarcasm is all you have, must suck to be you, your beakness.

       Surely you will grow up someday and be a happy bird.

    "They put America back together"

    Who torn it apart again? Oh yeah, the traitors. 

  • @mld-woody said:

    Always amazes me that conservatives, Real America loving conservatives, haven taken up the fight to preserve public honoring of figure from the confederacy. A group america went to war with. 

    In their typical desperate reactionary freak out against change they've decided to hang their hats on traitors. 

    "Own the libs" first. Mental gymnastics second. 

    Not surprising. But unfortunate

    You don't even understand the definitions of the words you use. All was forgiven, they put America back together again -

    and you still look more stupid than you think. But if misplaced sarcasm is all you have, must suck to be you, your beakness.

       Surely you will grow up someday and be a happy bird.

    @calfoxwc said:

    You don't even understand the definitions of the words you use. All was forgiven, they put America back together again -

    and you still look more stupid than you think. But if misplaced sarcasm is all you have, must suck to be you, your beakness.

       Surely you will grow up someday and be a happy bird.

    Thanks for proving my point 

    You throw out common sense in favor of blind political allegiance. This is no exception

  • Aren't we all traitors anyways? What was the American Revolution?

    I'm pretty sure today, we can recognize the fact that the civil war was a war we wish didn't have to happen but it doesn't mean we ignorantly label people that fought in the war, no matter what side they were on, just because you want to tie it to some political movement of today. It was a different time for a young America.

    To keep in context of renaming of military bases It seems as though some of the names were picked simply because of location, the south naming their own camps after southerners. At this point in time, who cares? These are still Americans and we can absolutely honor them for their place in battle instead of their political views, within reason.

    These bases built their own reputation over time and that's whats connected to hearing their names, I doubt most people would even know who these bases were named for or cared until it served as some type of lame political movement. That's why people are protesting it, not for the actual names of who they represent, but because of the lame political reasons. Maybe the names do need changed, but given today's political environment, it might be best to show focus on greater needs such as oil, inflation and illegal immigration. Those hurt a lot worse than any name.

    If we're going to erase anything attached to the name Benning, does that mean democrats get erased since he was one?

  • JaxJ Jax

    Aren't we all traitors anyways? What was the American Revolution?

    I'm pretty sure today, we can recognize the fact that the civil war was a war we wish didn't have to happen but it doesn't mean we ignorantly label people that fought in the war, no matter what side they were on, just because you want to tie it to some political movement of today. It was a different time for a young America.

    To keep in context of renaming of military bases It seems as though some of the names were picked simply because of location, the south naming their own camps after southerners. At this point in time, who cares? These are still Americans and we can absolutely honor them for their place in battle instead of their political views, within reason.

    These bases built their own reputation over time and that's whats connected to hearing their names, I doubt most people would even know who these bases were named for or cared until it served as some type of lame political movement. That's why people are protesting it, not for the actual names of who they represent, but because of the lame political reasons. Maybe the names do need changed, but given today's political environment, it might be best to show focus on greater needs such as oil, inflation and illegal immigration. Those hurt a lot worse than any name.

    If we're going to erase anything attached to the name Benning, does that mean democrats get erased since he was one?

    @jax said:

    Aren't we all traitors anyways? What was the American Revolution?

    I'm pretty sure today, we can recognize the fact that the civil war was a war we wish didn't have to happen but it doesn't mean we ignorantly label people that fought in the war, no matter what side they were on, just because you want to tie it to some political movement of today. It was a different time for a young America.

    To keep in context of renaming of military bases It seems as though some of the names were picked simply because of location, the south naming their own camps after southerners. At this point in time, who cares? These are still Americans and we can absolutely honor them for their place in battle instead of their political views, within reason.

    These bases built their own reputation over time and that's whats connected to hearing their names, I doubt most people would even know who these bases were named for or cared until it served as some type of lame political movement. That's why people are protesting it, not for the actual names of who they represent, but because of the lame political reasons. Maybe the names do need changed, but given today's political environment, it might be best to show focus on greater needs such as oil, inflation and illegal immigration. Those hurt a lot worse than any name.

    If we're going to erase anything attached to the name Benning, does that mean democrats get erased since he was one?

    Too much common sense in your post.

    Welcome to the Poly Board.

  • Its interesting to me that people who hate america, the values it was founded on and who only stand for degeneracy and deviants and want to fundamentally change the country to mirror a failed state like the u.s.s.r. are so concerned about traitors. 

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Its interesting to me that people who hate america, the values it was founded on and who only stand for degeneracy and deviants and want to fundamentally change the country to mirror a failed state like the u.s.s.r. are so concerned about traitors.  dead white men.

    That's how I'd phrase it after reading a quote by a black woman.

    I don’t fear 150-year-old statues of old dead white men. What I fear is the hatred we see in real time in 2017 on social media and in our political rhetoric.

    Opinion: Don't Take Down Confederate Monuments. Here's Why. (nbcnews.com)

  • @calfoxwc said:

    You don't even understand the definitions of the words you use. All was forgiven, they put America back together again -

    and you still look more stupid than you think. But if misplaced sarcasm is all you have, must suck to be you, your beakness.

       Surely you will grow up someday and be a happy bird.

    Thanks for proving my point 

    You throw out common sense in favor of blind political allegiance. This is no exception

    @mld-woody said:

    Thanks for proving my point 

    You throw out common sense in favor of blind political allegiance. This is no exception

     Common sense to you is wiping out historical names, statues, and monuments? 

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    I feel sure you couldnt name five figures from the civil war or even five battles without google so your opinion means roughly as much to me as a small pile of dog shit next to a stop sign. 

    I feel like your feelings don't mean shit to me. All I can say is scoreboard. Your traitors' names are going away. You keep on wishing your side had won the Slavers Rebellion.

    @cccjwh said:

    I feel like your feelings don't mean shit to me. All I can say is scoreboard. Your traitors' names are going away. You keep on wishing your side had won the Slavers Rebellion.

    Haha..Feelings? It seems to me it's always been about your feelings.  Confederate names, statues, and monuments offend you. To which our response has always been that we don't give a fuck about your feelings..

    Funny to see you coming out of your safe after learning "things are getting done" to your satisfaction.

  • JaxJ Jax

    Aren't we all traitors anyways? What was the American Revolution?

    I'm pretty sure today, we can recognize the fact that the civil war was a war we wish didn't have to happen but it doesn't mean we ignorantly label people that fought in the war, no matter what side they were on, just because you want to tie it to some political movement of today. It was a different time for a young America.

    To keep in context of renaming of military bases It seems as though some of the names were picked simply because of location, the south naming their own camps after southerners. At this point in time, who cares? These are still Americans and we can absolutely honor them for their place in battle instead of their political views, within reason.

    These bases built their own reputation over time and that's whats connected to hearing their names, I doubt most people would even know who these bases were named for or cared until it served as some type of lame political movement. That's why people are protesting it, not for the actual names of who they represent, but because of the lame political reasons. Maybe the names do need changed, but given today's political environment, it might be best to show focus on greater needs such as oil, inflation and illegal immigration. Those hurt a lot worse than any name.

    If we're going to erase anything attached to the name Benning, does that mean democrats get erased since he was one?

    @jax said:

    Aren't we all traitors anyways? What was the American Revolution?

    I'm pretty sure today, we can recognize the fact that the civil war was a war we wish didn't have to happen but it doesn't mean we ignorantly label people that fought in the war, no matter what side they were on, just because you want to tie it to some political movement of today. It was a different time for a young America.

    To keep in context of renaming of military bases It seems as though some of the names were picked simply because of location, the south naming their own camps after southerners. At this point in time, who cares? These are still Americans and we can absolutely honor them for their place in battle instead of their political views, within reason.

    These bases built their own reputation over time and that's whats connected to hearing their names, I doubt most people would even know who these bases were named for or cared until it served as some type of lame political movement. That's why people are protesting it, not for the actual names of who they represent, but because of the lame political reasons. Maybe the names do need changed, but given today's political environment, it might be best to show focus on greater needs such as oil, inflation and illegal immigration. Those hurt a lot worse than any name.

    If we're going to erase anything attached to the name Benning, does that mean democrats get erased since he was one?

    Yes, I heard this talking point before. The founding father were traitors to England. England doesn't go around naming their military base after them. Because that would be stupid. Feel free to look into how the military base got their names. There is a good book Robert E. Lee and Me: A Southerner's Reckoning with the Myth of the Lost Cause that goes into to some of it. You can remember the past without honoring traitors to your country.

    You should remember who Benning was.

    Henry Benning never served a day of his life in the US military. 

    Henry Benning was ardent secessionist.

    Henry Benning thought the only way he could keep his slaves would be to dissolve the United States.

    Henry Benning help Georgia seceded from the USA.

    Henry Benning was a mediocre General who got his most of his men killed in the Battle of Chickmauga.

    Henry Benning kill a bunch of US soldiers.

    Why should any US military base be named after him?

  • @cccjwh said:

    I feel like your feelings don't mean shit to me. All I can say is scoreboard. Your traitors' names are going away. You keep on wishing your side had won the Slavers Rebellion.

    Haha..Feelings? It seems to me it's always been about your feelings.  Confederate names, statues, and monuments offend you. To which our response has always been that we don't give a fuck about your feelings..

    Funny to see you coming out of your safe after learning "things are getting done" to your satisfaction.

    @fy56 said:

    Haha..Feelings? It seems to me it's always been about your feelings.  Confederate names, statues, and monuments offend you. To which our response has always been that we don't give a fuck about your feelings..

    Funny to see you coming out of your safe after learning "things are getting done" to your satisfaction.

     I think honoring traitors to my country is a bad thing. You wish they had won. All I can say is scoreboard.

  • @fy56 said:

    Haha..Feelings? It seems to me it's always been about your feelings.  Confederate names, statues, and monuments offend you. To which our response has always been that we don't give a fuck about your feelings..

    Funny to see you coming out of your safe after learning "things are getting done" to your satisfaction.

     I think honoring traitors to my country is a bad thing. You wish they had won. All I can say is scoreboard.

    @cccjwh said:

     I think honoring traitors to my country is a bad thing. You wish they had won. All I can say is scoreboard.

    I don't give a shit about your feelings.

    I can only imagine what's next on you peoples hurt feelings agenda.

  • @jax said:

    Aren't we all traitors anyways? What was the American Revolution?

    I'm pretty sure today, we can recognize the fact that the civil war was a war we wish didn't have to happen but it doesn't mean we ignorantly label people that fought in the war, no matter what side they were on, just because you want to tie it to some political movement of today. It was a different time for a young America.

    To keep in context of renaming of military bases It seems as though some of the names were picked simply because of location, the south naming their own camps after southerners. At this point in time, who cares? These are still Americans and we can absolutely honor them for their place in battle instead of their political views, within reason.

    These bases built their own reputation over time and that's whats connected to hearing their names, I doubt most people would even know who these bases were named for or cared until it served as some type of lame political movement. That's why people are protesting it, not for the actual names of who they represent, but because of the lame political reasons. Maybe the names do need changed, but given today's political environment, it might be best to show focus on greater needs such as oil, inflation and illegal immigration. Those hurt a lot worse than any name.

    If we're going to erase anything attached to the name Benning, does that mean democrats get erased since he was one?

    Yes, I heard this talking point before. The founding father were traitors to England. England doesn't go around naming their military base after them. Because that would be stupid. Feel free to look into how the military base got their names. There is a good book Robert E. Lee and Me: A Southerner's Reckoning with the Myth of the Lost Cause that goes into to some of it. You can remember the past without honoring traitors to your country.

    You should remember who Benning was.

    Henry Benning never served a day of his life in the US military. 

    Henry Benning was ardent secessionist.

    Henry Benning thought the only way he could keep his slaves would be to dissolve the United States.

    Henry Benning help Georgia seceded from the USA.

    Henry Benning was a mediocre General who got his most of his men killed in the Battle of Chickmauga.

    Henry Benning kill a bunch of US soldiers.

    Why should any US military base be named after him?

    @cccjwh said:

    Yes, I heard this talking point before. The founding father were traitors to England. England doesn't go around naming their military base after them. Because that would be stupid. Feel free to look into how the military base got their names. There is a good book Robert E. Lee and Me: A Southerner's Reckoning with the Myth of the Lost Cause that goes into to some of it. You can remember the past without honoring traitors to your country.

    You should remember who Benning was.

    Henry Benning never served a day of his life in the US military. 

    Henry Benning was ardent secessionist.

    Henry Benning thought the only way he could keep his slaves would be to dissolve the United States.

    Henry Benning help Georgia seceded from the USA.

    Henry Benning was a mediocre General who got his most of his men killed in the Battle of Chickmauga.

    Henry Benning kill a bunch of US soldiers.

    Why should any US military be named after him?

    Him being held responsible for losing his men Chickamauga is a reach.  He was such a minor player in that conflict that name is not even mentioned as a participant in most accounts. 

    Why are you so hung up on secessionists? There was much more weight put on states rights then there is today. Succession wasn't made "illegal" until after the war ended. 

    Six Confederate generals owned slaves as did 5 Union generals. Ther were 141 black slave owners in the Carolinas. Slavery was the way of the word. Stop clinging to your white guilt slavery bullshit..

    Why the fuck does it matter whether or not he served in the US army? He was Georgias native son, a legislator, judge, lawyer, and a general who fought in many fierce battles, being himself wounded. 

     
  • @cccjwh said:

    Yes, I heard this talking point before. The founding father were traitors to England. England doesn't go around naming their military base after them. Because that would be stupid. Feel free to look into how the military base got their names. There is a good book Robert E. Lee and Me: A Southerner's Reckoning with the Myth of the Lost Cause that goes into to some of it. You can remember the past without honoring traitors to your country.

    You should remember who Benning was.

    Henry Benning never served a day of his life in the US military. 

    Henry Benning was ardent secessionist.

    Henry Benning thought the only way he could keep his slaves would be to dissolve the United States.

    Henry Benning help Georgia seceded from the USA.

    Henry Benning was a mediocre General who got his most of his men killed in the Battle of Chickmauga.

    Henry Benning kill a bunch of US soldiers.

    Why should any US military be named after him?

    Him being held responsible for losing his men Chickamauga is a reach.  He was such a minor player in that conflict that name is not even mentioned as a participant in most accounts. 

    Why are you so hung up on secessionists? There was much more weight put on states rights then there is today. Succession wasn't made "illegal" until after the war ended. 

    Six Confederate generals owned slaves as did 5 Union generals. Ther were 141 black slave owners in the Carolinas. Slavery was the way of the word. Stop clinging to your white guilt slavery bullshit..

    Why the fuck does it matter whether or not he served in the US army? He was Georgias native son, a legislator, judge, lawyer, and a general who fought in many fierce battles, being himself wounded. 

     

    @fy56 said:

    Him being held responsible for losing his men Chickamauga is a reach.  He was such a minor player in that conflict that name is not even mentioned as a participant in most accounts. 

    Why are you so hung up on secessionists? There was much more weight put on states rights then there is today. Succession wasn't made "illegal" until after the war ended. 

    Six Confederate generals owned slaves as did 5 Union generals. Ther were 141 black slave owners in the Carolinas. Slavery was the way of the word. Stop clinging to your white guilt slavery bullshit..

    Why the fuck does it matter whether or not he served in the US army? He was Georgias son, a legislator, judge, lawyer, and a general who fought in many fierce battles, being himself wounded.

     

    I would be more concerned about a player like Aaron Burr... He would fit right in with today's slime ball politicians, Like Biden,Pelosi,Clintons,etc... The guy was basically the first double agent spy in this country and a traitor. This guy was a social path who almost became POTUS.. Interesting personality Id say.. I still can't believe there hasn't been a feature film made of him...

  • @mld-woody said:

    Thanks for proving my point 

    You throw out common sense in favor of blind political allegiance. This is no exception

     Common sense to you is wiping out historical names, statues, and monuments? 

    @fy56 said:

     Common sense to you is wiping out historical names, statues, and monuments? 

    Many of which were erected during the civil rights movement just to shit on black people trying to be treated as equals? Using names that fought against the US and fought to keep slavery? 

    Yeah, sounds like common sense 

  • JaxJ Jax

    Aren't we all traitors anyways? What was the American Revolution?

    I'm pretty sure today, we can recognize the fact that the civil war was a war we wish didn't have to happen but it doesn't mean we ignorantly label people that fought in the war, no matter what side they were on, just because you want to tie it to some political movement of today. It was a different time for a young America.

    To keep in context of renaming of military bases It seems as though some of the names were picked simply because of location, the south naming their own camps after southerners. At this point in time, who cares? These are still Americans and we can absolutely honor them for their place in battle instead of their political views, within reason.

    These bases built their own reputation over time and that's whats connected to hearing their names, I doubt most people would even know who these bases were named for or cared until it served as some type of lame political movement. That's why people are protesting it, not for the actual names of who they represent, but because of the lame political reasons. Maybe the names do need changed, but given today's political environment, it might be best to show focus on greater needs such as oil, inflation and illegal immigration. Those hurt a lot worse than any name.

    If we're going to erase anything attached to the name Benning, does that mean democrats get erased since he was one?

    @jax said:

    Aren't we all traitors anyways? What was the American Revolution?

    I'm pretty sure today, we can recognize the fact that the civil war was a war we wish didn't have to happen but it doesn't mean we ignorantly label people that fought in the war, no matter what side they were on, just because you want to tie it to some political movement of today. It was a different time for a young America.

    To keep in context of renaming of military bases It seems as though some of the names were picked simply because of location, the south naming their own camps after southerners. At this point in time, who cares? These are still Americans and we can absolutely honor them for their place in battle instead of their political views, within reason.

    These bases built their own reputation over time and that's whats connected to hearing their names, I doubt most people would even know who these bases were named for or cared until it served as some type of lame political movement. That's why people are protesting it, not for the actual names of who they represent, but because of the lame political reasons. Maybe the names do need changed, but given today's political environment, it might be best to show focus on greater needs such as oil, inflation and illegal immigration. Those hurt a lot worse than any name.

    If we're going to erase anything attached to the name Benning, does that mean democrats get erased since he was one?

    Much of the naming and stator erecting was done to send a message against the civil rights movement. Many are much newer than you'd think. 

    Either way, pretty sure it is strange to honor traitors. Don't think England has anything named after colonists that fought them.

    And yes, there are plenty of issues to work on. That doesn't mean you can't work on this. Much easier fix

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    I feel sure you couldnt name five figures from the civil war or even five battles without google so your opinion means roughly as much to me as a small pile of dog shit next to a stop sign. 

    I feel like your feelings don't mean shit to me. All I can say is scoreboard. Your traitors' names are going away. You keep on wishing your side had won the Slavers Rebellion.

    @cccjwh said:

    I feel like your feelings don't mean shit to me. All I can say is scoreboard. Your traitors' names are going away. You keep on wishing your side had won the Slavers Rebellion.

    Yeah, you know, im from ohio. We were unionites and in fact we pretty much won the civil war. I bet you didn't know that though because, you know, you're an idiot and you even attempting to insult me is like an actual maggot born in a stinking summer garbage can attempting to insult a mighty and resplendant cassowary. In other words, it doesn't mean much. 

  • Comparing England to naming anything to traitors is 100% different. We lived in North America, not on the mainland and all of us stayed here. Also, the 'traitors' won so it's even a different outcome.

    We were talking about Benning and Bragg, they were opened in 1918. I don't think there was a civil rights movement back then. I'm going to assume that the majority of these names and statues happened before that as well and maybe only a handful 'might' have been named in counter to the civil rights movement. Though who cares, move on. The only reason it's an issue today is because of the political movement to falsely create this narrative of white supremacy. Normal society doesn't equate everything southern to slavery, in fact it's never on our minds. If you are hung up on slavery, there is a lot still going on today that maybe you could actually 'do' something about.

    Also, it's an absolute big deal we're focused on these trivial matters because all the others are being ignored or made worse. Otherwise, you'd be correct though it's just not the case.

    If these things were named to cause hurt then sure they should change, but a lot of people who are still Americans have southern heritage and they should absolutely be able to honor them in the ways they have. There is nothing wrong with southern pride, as Cysko said, we are from the north but we still recognize them as Americans and not traitors. It's such an elementary viewpoint not to understand the concept of a civil war.

    What's even more absurd is changing all these Indian names, such as river and creeks. When I see those names I assume they refer to local tribes and it's a nice way to honor them. But it seems people want to twist their meanings to further their agendas.

    Anyways, after these name changes it'll be great that the world can finally be at peace and we can all get along in harmony.

    (I understand you may have head this talking point before but I assure you I just typed out my own common sense as these things you're bickering about don't mean enough to me for actual research, except to check on dates when the forts were named) So you know, just because you heard of a talking point doesn't somehow discount or trivialize it either. In any case, your counter was deficient. I'm also pretty sure there was no such recording as a US Army during the civil war, thus the title 'civil war'.

  • Always amazes me that conservatives, Real America loving conservatives, haven taken up the fight to preserve public honoring of figure from the confederacy. A group america went to war with. 

    In their typical desperate reactionary freak out against change they've decided to hang their hats on traitors. 

    "Own the libs" first. Mental gymnastics second. 

    Not surprising. But unfortunate

    @mld-woody said:

    Always amazes me that conservatives, Real America loving conservatives, haven taken up the fight to preserve public honoring of figure from the confederacy. A group america went to war with. 

    In their typical desperate reactionary freak out against change they've decided to hang their hats on traitors. 

    "Own the libs" first. Mental gymnastics second. 

    Not surprising. But unfortunate

    The civil war was more or less the defining event in american history. I refuse to adhere it to the ridiculous tiktok mcdonalds politics of the 2020s and will not be joining the 20 year old transleftists in condensing everything into a game of final fantasy where there is only absolute good and absolute evil.

  • @mld-woody said:

    Always amazes me that conservatives, Real America loving conservatives, haven taken up the fight to preserve public honoring of figure from the confederacy. A group america went to war with. 

    In their typical desperate reactionary freak out against change they've decided to hang their hats on traitors. 

    "Own the libs" first. Mental gymnastics second. 

    Not surprising. But unfortunate

    The civil war was more or less the defining event in american history. I refuse to adhere it to the ridiculous tiktok mcdonalds politics of the 2020s and will not be joining the 20 year old transleftists in condensing everything into a game of final fantasy where there is only absolute good and absolute evil.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    The civil war was more or less the defining event in american history. I refuse to adhere it to the ridiculous tiktok mcdonalds politics of the 2020s and will not be joining the 20 year old transleftists in condensing everything into a game of final fantasy where there is only absolute good and absolute evil.

    ... Ok?

  • JaxJ Jax

    Comparing England to naming anything to traitors is 100% different. We lived in North America, not on the mainland and all of us stayed here. Also, the 'traitors' won so it's even a different outcome.

    We were talking about Benning and Bragg, they were opened in 1918. I don't think there was a civil rights movement back then. I'm going to assume that the majority of these names and statues happened before that as well and maybe only a handful 'might' have been named in counter to the civil rights movement. Though who cares, move on. The only reason it's an issue today is because of the political movement to falsely create this narrative of white supremacy. Normal society doesn't equate everything southern to slavery, in fact it's never on our minds. If you are hung up on slavery, there is a lot still going on today that maybe you could actually 'do' something about.

    Also, it's an absolute big deal we're focused on these trivial matters because all the others are being ignored or made worse. Otherwise, you'd be correct though it's just not the case.

    If these things were named to cause hurt then sure they should change, but a lot of people who are still Americans have southern heritage and they should absolutely be able to honor them in the ways they have. There is nothing wrong with southern pride, as Cysko said, we are from the north but we still recognize them as Americans and not traitors. It's such an elementary viewpoint not to understand the concept of a civil war.

    What's even more absurd is changing all these Indian names, such as river and creeks. When I see those names I assume they refer to local tribes and it's a nice way to honor them. But it seems people want to twist their meanings to further their agendas.

    Anyways, after these name changes it'll be great that the world can finally be at peace and we can all get along in harmony.

    (I understand you may have head this talking point before but I assure you I just typed out my own common sense as these things you're bickering about don't mean enough to me for actual research, except to check on dates when the forts were named) So you know, just because you heard of a talking point doesn't somehow discount or trivialize it either. In any case, your counter was deficient. I'm also pretty sure there was no such recording as a US Army during the civil war, thus the title 'civil war'.

    @jax said:

    Comparing England to naming anything to traitors is 100% different. We lived in North America, not on the mainland and all of us stayed here. Also, the 'traitors' won so it's even a different outcome.

    We were talking about Benning and Bragg, they were opened in 1918. I don't think there was a civil rights movement back then. I'm going to assume that the majority of these names and statues happened before that as well and maybe only a handful 'might' have been named in counter to the civil rights movement. Though who cares, move on. The only reason it's an issue today is because of the political movement to falsely create this narrative of white supremacy. Normal society doesn't equate everything southern to slavery, in fact it's never on our minds. If you are hung up on slavery, there is a lot still going on today that maybe you could actually 'do' something about.

    Also, it's an absolute big deal we're focused on these trivial matters because all the others are being ignored or made worse. Otherwise, you'd be correct though it's just not the case.

    If these things were named to cause hurt then sure they should change, but a lot of people who are still Americans have southern heritage and they should absolutely be able to honor them in the ways they have. There is nothing wrong with southern pride, as Cysko said, we are from the north but we still recognize them as Americans and not traitors. It's such an elementary viewpoint not to understand the concept of a civil war.

    What's even more absurd is changing all these Indian names, such as river and creeks. When I see those names I assume they refer to local tribes and it's a nice way to honor them. But it seems people want to twist their meanings to further their agendas.

    Anyways, after these name changes it'll be great that the world can finally be at peace and we can all get along in harmony.

    (I understand you may have head this talking point before but I assure you I just typed out my own common sense as these things you're bickering about don't mean enough to me for actual research, except to check on dates when the forts were named) So you know, just because you heard of a talking point doesn't somehow discount or trivialize it either. In any case, your counter was deficient. I'm also pretty sure there was no such recording as a US Army during the civil war, thus the title 'civil war'.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/confederate-statues/

    I would suggest you start by reading up on what you're taking about. 

    What rivers are you talking about?