Biden admin signs off on scrubbing 'names and displays' from military bases
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Common sense to you is wiping out historical names, statues, and monuments?
Many of which were erected during the civil rights movement just to shit on black people trying to be treated as equals? Using names that fought against the US and fought to keep slavery?
Yeah, sounds like common sense
Many of which were erected during the civil rights movement just to shit on black people trying to be treated as equals? Using names that fought against the US and fought to keep slavery?
Yeah, sounds like common sense
Fair enough. However, there is an advantage in keeping the Civil Rights statutes around. Place a sign under each with the words "Democrats Did This".
Lest We forget! Right?
Btw, you guys have been going after Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson monuments and statues. Is that common sense too?
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Always amazes me that conservatives, Real America loving conservatives, haven taken up the fight to preserve public honoring of figure from the confederacy. A group america went to war with.
In their typical desperate reactionary freak out against change they've decided to hang their hats on traitors.
"Own the libs" first. Mental gymnastics second.
Not surprising. But unfortunate
Always amazes me that conservatives, Real America loving conservatives, haven taken up the fight to preserve public honoring of figure from the confederacy. A group america went to war with.
In their typical desperate reactionary freak out against change they've decided to hang their hats on traitors.
"Own the libs" first. Mental gymnastics second.
Not surprising. But unfortunate
your twisted beak might be "amazed" but it's fake amazement. You constantly characterize everything dishonestly, to make some kind of arrogant point.
That is really infantile. You need to grow up someday.
It's called HISTORY, which you seem to never have learned.
Consider this - a church of folks divide into two "camps" over some religious issue. The church divides itself into
two different groups that can't live with the other's strong stance. So, the church divides into two different churches.
It isn't uncommon - which side were "traitors" ? neither side.
America divided into two groups nationally. The various factor's that prompted the civil war - economics, slavery, and southern states power to overrule any federal authority if they wanted to - led to violence.
Of course, the pro-slavery side - the south - was sickenly wrong. It was a war fought over how America was to go forward. There was no betrayal of their country - both sides were fighting for their country.
The south was wrong, of course, but being wrong doesn't make them "traitors".
That is just another ploy by the left to redefine words to be able to use them as emotional "swords".
Great leaders of the south were ***wrong*** - but it doesn't mean that they weren't great leaders - doesn't mean that the history should be hidden.
the leftwing haters of this forum continue to ignorantly blather words emotionally, ignoring the actual definitions of the words in favor of how they emotionally WANT those words to be defined.
As with everthing else - how they FEEL is their reality. They betray science, and critical thinking every single time, it seems, on every single issue.
It's sad.
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Cal , fuck it dude.. You're wasting your breath and energy.. Whatever is gonna happen is gonna happen regardless of what any of us feels or thinks.. Here's the bottom line if we're being objective here.. The have played us on both sides of the aisle... The spine has been bought off even... How can one side idly sit by and watch?..... It's too goddamn easy Cal.... I love your passion and I know you're a real patriot... Like you.. My attitude is fuck them... It's their mess now... They created it... Let them suffer the consequences... I'm just gonna continue to live the best I can with whatever time is left remaining in general for life... I just pray to God each day we find our sanity...
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Cal , fuck it dude.. You're wasting your breath and energy.. Whatever is gonna happen is gonna happen regardless of what any of us feels or thinks.. Here's the bottom line if we're being objective here.. The have played us on both sides of the aisle... The spine has been bought off even... How can one side idly sit by and watch?..... It's too goddamn easy Cal.... I love your passion and I know you're a real patriot... Like you.. My attitude is fuck them... It's their mess now... They created it... Let them suffer the consequences... I'm just gonna continue to live the best I can with whatever time is left remaining in general for life... I just pray to God each day we find our sanity...
Cal , fuck it dude.. You're wasting your breath and energy.. Whatever is gonna happen is gonna happen regardless of what any of us feels or thinks.. Here's the bottom line if we're being objective here.. The have played us on both sides of the aisle... The spine has been bought off even... How can one side idly sit by and watch?..... It's too goddamn easy Cal.... I love your passion and I know you're a real patriot... Like you.. My attitude is fuck them... It's their mess now... They created it... Let them suffer the consequences... I'm just gonna continue to live the best I can with whatever time is left remaining in general for life... I just pray to God each day we find our sanity...
Yep, might as well stop voting and let us create our own mess. Thanks
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Cal , fuck it dude.. You're wasting your breath and energy.. Whatever is gonna happen is gonna happen regardless of what any of us feels or thinks.. Here's the bottom line if we're being objective here.. The have played us on both sides of the aisle... The spine has been bought off even... How can one side idly sit by and watch?..... It's too goddamn easy Cal.... I love your passion and I know you're a real patriot... Like you.. My attitude is fuck them... It's their mess now... They created it... Let them suffer the consequences... I'm just gonna continue to live the best I can with whatever time is left remaining in general for life... I just pray to God each day we find our sanity...
Yep, might as well stop voting and let us create our own mess. Thanks
Yep, might as well stop voting and let us create our own mess. Thanks
So far so good; well or bad depending on how you see dystopia.
WSS
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Yep, might as well stop voting and let us create our own mess. Thanks
So far so good; well or bad depending on how you see dystopia.
WSS
So far so good; well or bad depending on how you see dystopia.
WSS
Sure. Whatever you say. Just make sure not to vote.
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Much of the naming and stator erecting was done to send a message against the civil rights movement. Many are much newer than you'd think.
Either way, pretty sure it is strange to honor traitors. Don't think England has anything named after colonists that fought them.
And yes, there are plenty of issues to work on. That doesn't mean you can't work on this. Much easier fix
That is a deflection. Why are the colonists not traitors?
To what foreign power did the Confederates owe their allegiance to or give secrets to?
"Traitor" has a broad definition. -a person who gives away or sells secrets of his or her country, or someone who is not loyal to particular beliefs or friends:
By its definition, "traitor" would apply to you liberals who literally shit in the flag or are members of the American Communist party.
You people loosely use the word traitor today as it was used post-Civil War.
Traitor is a matter of perspective and interpretation. Benidict Arnold was a traitor to the Colonists, but a hero to the British.
That is a deflection. Why are the colonists not traitors?
To what foreign power did the Confederates owe their allegiance to or give secrets to?
"Traitor" has a broad definition. -a person who gives away or sells secrets of his or her country, or someone who is not loyal to particular beliefs or friends:
By its definition, "traitor" would apply to you liberals who literally shit in the flag or are members of the American Communist party.
You people loosely use the word traitor today as it was used post-Civil War.
Traitor is a matter of perspective and interpretation. Benidict Arnold was a traitor to the Colonists, but a hero to the British.
Treason is defined in the US Constitution.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
Yes, your traitors levying war against the United States of America. You can jump through loops to tried to justify their treason. But the letters of secession are clear, the traitors didn't want to give up their slaves.
Being a traitor is bad enough, but to committing treason so you can enslave people is even worse. It's slightly worse than defending these traitor's actions.
Traitor is defined simply. A traitor is someone who commits treason. But you keep on trying to defended your heroes.
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That is a deflection. Why are the colonists not traitors?
To what foreign power did the Confederates owe their allegiance to or give secrets to?
"Traitor" has a broad definition. -a person who gives away or sells secrets of his or her country, or someone who is not loyal to particular beliefs or friends:
By its definition, "traitor" would apply to you liberals who literally shit in the flag or are members of the American Communist party.
You people loosely use the word traitor today as it was used post-Civil War.
Traitor is a matter of perspective and interpretation. Benidict Arnold was a traitor to the Colonists, but a hero to the British.
Treason is defined in the US Constitution.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
Yes, your traitors levying war against the United States of America. You can jump through loops to tried to justify their treason. But the letters of secession are clear, the traitors didn't want to give up their slaves.
Being a traitor is bad enough, but to committing treason so you can enslave people is even worse. It's slightly worse than defending these traitor's actions.
Traitor is defined simply. A traitor is someone who commits treason. But you keep on trying to defended your heroes.
Treason is defined in the US Constitution.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
Yes, your traitors levying war against the United States of America. You can jump through loops to tried to justify their treason. But the letters of secession are clear, the traitors didn't want to give up their slaves.
Being a traitor is bad enough, but to committing treason so you can enslave people is even worse. It's slightly worse than defending these traitor's actions.
Traitor is defined simply. A traitor is someone who commits treason. But you keep on trying to defended your heroes.
The Confederates were pro-slavery, racists, and DEMOCRATS, therefore they are yours more than they are mine.
The fact is that secession, which was legal, escapes you.
Treason, the only offense defined by the Constitution, is difficult to prove and rarely prosecuted. One of the elements of treason is that the “defendant owes allegiance to the government,” which is why only U.S. citizens can be charged with it. At the end of the civil war, it was uncertain as to the legal effect of secession on citizenship.
Were the Confederates U.S. citizens? Consider the case of Jefferson Davis, the Confederacy’s president.
According to a 2017 article in Smithsonian (“The Trial of the Century that Wasn’t”), Davis was imprisoned without trial for two years at Ft. Monroe. (This led “some prominent Northerners,” the Washington Post says, to complain “that Davis was being denied his constitutional right to a speedy trial.”)
Why the delay? According to Smithsonian:
“In 1867, [Davis] was prepared to argue that he did not betray the country because once Mississippi left it, he was no longer a U.S. citizen. ‘Everybody thought it was going to be the test case on the legality of secession,’ says Cynthia Nicoletti, a University of Virginia legal scholar [who is the author of] Secession on Trial…Serious people believed he had a chance of winning.”
In another article, Professor Nicoletti points out:
Official acts by the Union preceding and during the war, such as allowing for prisoner swaps and observing other rights of foreign governments under the law of nations, might have been used to bolster the argument for secession’s legitimacy.
(Additionally, in his fascinating essay published last summer, “Did Robert E. Lee Commit Treason?,” Princeton University Professor Allen C. Guelzo discusses these and other legal complications that a trial of Lee – who had also been charged with treason – would have raised at the time.)
In any event, experts tell us that the fear Davis “would be able to prove to a jury that the Southern secession of 1860 to 1861 was legal” was a key reason the government released him in May 1867.
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Treason is defined in the US Constitution.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
Yes, your traitors levying war against the United States of America. You can jump through loops to tried to justify their treason. But the letters of secession are clear, the traitors didn't want to give up their slaves.
Being a traitor is bad enough, but to committing treason so you can enslave people is even worse. It's slightly worse than defending these traitor's actions.
Traitor is defined simply. A traitor is someone who commits treason. But you keep on trying to defended your heroes.
The Confederates were pro-slavery, racists, and DEMOCRATS, therefore they are yours more than they are mine.
The fact is that secession, which was legal, escapes you.
Treason, the only offense defined by the Constitution, is difficult to prove and rarely prosecuted. One of the elements of treason is that the “defendant owes allegiance to the government,” which is why only U.S. citizens can be charged with it. At the end of the civil war, it was uncertain as to the legal effect of secession on citizenship.
Were the Confederates U.S. citizens? Consider the case of Jefferson Davis, the Confederacy’s president.
According to a 2017 article in Smithsonian (“The Trial of the Century that Wasn’t”), Davis was imprisoned without trial for two years at Ft. Monroe. (This led “some prominent Northerners,” the Washington Post says, to complain “that Davis was being denied his constitutional right to a speedy trial.”)
Why the delay? According to Smithsonian:
“In 1867, [Davis] was prepared to argue that he did not betray the country because once Mississippi left it, he was no longer a U.S. citizen. ‘Everybody thought it was going to be the test case on the legality of secession,’ says Cynthia Nicoletti, a University of Virginia legal scholar [who is the author of] Secession on Trial…Serious people believed he had a chance of winning.”
In another article, Professor Nicoletti points out:
Official acts by the Union preceding and during the war, such as allowing for prisoner swaps and observing other rights of foreign governments under the law of nations, might have been used to bolster the argument for secession’s legitimacy.
(Additionally, in his fascinating essay published last summer, “Did Robert E. Lee Commit Treason?,” Princeton University Professor Allen C. Guelzo discusses these and other legal complications that a trial of Lee – who had also been charged with treason – would have raised at the time.)
In any event, experts tell us that the fear Davis “would be able to prove to a jury that the Southern secession of 1860 to 1861 was legal” was a key reason the government released him in May 1867.
The Confederates were pro-slavery, racists, and DEMOCRATS, therefore they are yours more than they are mine.
The fact is that secession, which was legal, escapes you.
Treason, the only offense defined by the Constitution, is difficult to prove and rarely prosecuted. One of the elements of treason is that the “defendant owes allegiance to the government,” which is why only U.S. citizens can be charged with it. At the end of the civil war, it was uncertain as to the legal effect of secession on citizenship.
Were the Confederates U.S. citizens? Consider the case of Jefferson Davis, the Confederacy’s president.
According to a 2017 article in Smithsonian (“The Trial of the Century that Wasn’t”), Davis was imprisoned without trial for two years at Ft. Monroe. (This led “some prominent Northerners,” the Washington Post says, to complain “that Davis was being denied his constitutional right to a speedy trial.”)
Why the delay? According to Smithsonian:
“In 1867, [Davis] was prepared to argue that he did not betray the country because once Mississippi left it, he was no longer a U.S. citizen. ‘Everybody thought it was going to be the test case on the legality of secession,’ says Cynthia Nicoletti, a University of Virginia legal scholar [who is the author of] Secession on Trial…Serious people believed he had a chance of winning.”
In another article, Professor Nicoletti points out:
Official acts by the Union preceding and during the war, such as allowing for prisoner swaps and observing other rights of foreign governments under the law of nations, might have been used to bolster the argument for secession’s legitimacy.
(Additionally, in his fascinating essay published last summer, “Did Robert E. Lee Commit Treason?,” Princeton University Professor Allen C. Guelzo discusses these and other legal complications that a trial of Lee – who had also been charged with treason – would have raised at the time.)
In any event, experts tell us that the fear Davis “would be able to prove to a jury that the Southern secession of 1860 to 1861 was legal” was a key reason the government released him in May 1867.
I quoted the US Constitution and you google people that agree with your Lost Cause myth. I quoted the two US Presidents who were alive during the Slaver's Rebellion. The only people who need pardons for treason are traitors.
Oh no they were just democrats, they were also conservatives.
But you say you are conservative—eminently conservative—while we are revolutionary, destructive, or something of the sort. What is conservatism? Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried? We stick to, contend for, the identical old policy on the point in controversy which was adopted by "our fathers who framed the Government under which we live"; while you with one accord reject, and scout, and spit upon that old policy, and insist upon substituting something new. Lincoln Cooper Union Speech
They were also traitors. Lincoln thought so.
During his presidency Lincoln issued 64 pardons for war-related offences; 22 for conspiracy, 17 for treason, 12 for rebellion, 9 for holding an office under the Confederacy, and 4 for serving with the rebels.
President Johnson thought so.
Proclamation 179
Now, therefore, be it known that I, Andrew Johnson President of the United States, by virtue of the power and authority in me vested by the Constitution and in the name of the sovereign people of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare unconditionally and without reservation, to all and to every person who, directly or indirectly, participated in the late insurrection or rebellion a full pardon and amnesty for the offense of treason against the United States or of adhering to their enemies during the late civil war, with restoration of all rights, privileges, and immunities under the Constitution and the laws which have been made in pursuance thereof.
The high level traitors held to request a pardon. They got their names in the paper.
There were 12,652 pardons issued by June 5, 1866. Under Johnson's "thirteenth" exemption the number of pardons was issued in this order: Virginia, 2,070; Alabama, 1,361; Georgia 1,228; Mississippi, 765; South Carolina, 638; North Carolina, 482; Texas, 269; Louisiana, 142; Tennessee, 93; Arkansas, 41; West Virginia, 39; Florida, 22; Kentucky, 11; Missouri, 10.[6]
Who knows better?
The Presidents alive during the civil war that gave out the pardons for treason vs some asshoIes who was born 100 years after the fact?
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So far so good; well or bad depending on how you see dystopia.
WSS
Sure. Whatever you say. Just make sure not to vote.
Sure. Whatever you say. Just make sure not to vote.
All I can say is I would greatly prefer what the left considers a dystopian hellscape than what they consider great. Every last person I know on the left is an insufferable, miserable twat that's just horrible to be around.
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Sure. Whatever you say. Just make sure not to vote.
All I can say is I would greatly prefer what the left considers a dystopian hellscape than what they consider great. Every last person I know on the left is an insufferable, miserable twat that's just horrible to be around.
All I can say is I would greatly prefer what the left considers a dystopian hellscape than what they consider great. Every last person I know on the left is an insufferable, miserable twat that's just horrible to be around.
It's always great when nut jobs think everyone agree with their world views, while at the same time they cried about how much the world has changed.
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All I can say is I would greatly prefer what the left considers a dystopian hellscape than what they consider great. Every last person I know on the left is an insufferable, miserable twat that's just horrible to be around.
It's always great when nut jobs think everyone agree with their world views, while at the same time they cried about how much the world has changed.
It's always great when nut jobs think everyone agree with their world views, while at the same time they cried about how much the world has changed.
You people exist to bitch because it you have no purpose in life. You even hate yourselves. Humanity is the scourge of the planet. Perpetual whiners and basement dwellers who believe they are the authority of what's best for everyone else.
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It's always great when nut jobs think everyone agree with their world views, while at the same time they cried about how much the world has changed.
You people exist to bitch because it you have no purpose in life. You even hate yourselves. Humanity is the scourge of the planet. Perpetual whiners and basement dwellers who believe they are the authority of what's best for everyone else.
You people exist to bitch because it you have no purpose in life. You even hate yourselves. Humanity is the scourge of the planet. Perpetual whiners and basement dwellers who believe they are the authority of what's best for everyone else.
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So you do watch Fox.
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So you do watch Fox.
Probably one of the millions that do.
Let me guess, you’re one of the 20 or 30 people that still watch CNN? ?
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Probably one of the millions that do.
Let me guess, you’re one of the 20 or 30 people that still watch CNN? ?
Just like the talking heads you watch, ratings trumps truth. Fact checking is bad for business.
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Probably one of the millions that do.
Let me guess, you’re one of the 20 or 30 people that still watch CNN? ?
Just like the talking heads you watch, ratings trumps truth. Fact checking is bad for business.
Just like the talking heads you watch, ratings trumps truth. Fact checking is bad for business.
So tell us you watch CNN…without telling us you watch CNN.
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So tell us you watch CNN…without telling us you watch CNN.
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So tell us you watch CNN…without telling us you watch CNN.
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They live with their heads in the sand when something goes against their beliefs. Goes against who they identify as a person. They aren't going to let facts change what they've decided to build their whole personality around.
again, your twerped emotions are not facts. That is why you never make a valid point.
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They live with their heads in the sand when something goes against their beliefs. Goes against who they identify as a person. They aren't going to let facts change what they've decided to build their whole personality around.
again, your twerped emotions are not facts. That is why you never make a valid point.
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