Cedric Tillman
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As we have seen with Schwartz and numerous other receivers...Ross in Cincy come to mind, Speed doesn't make a good receivers. It's more the icing on the cake.
For me it's.. You can catch.. Or you can't... Everything else is miscelleneous... I don't think Jerry Rice was considered a burner either if I recall.. Not slow but not blazing fast either.. Now maybe I'm wrong on this but for me.. the first step is always the most important as far as getting off the LOS and dominating the rout as it were.. A lot of it I think too depends on the QB... Some guys are fixated on the hot rout and that too can lead to trouble... So many variables to account for in a 3-4 second play...
For me it's.. You can catch.. Or you can't... Everything else is miscelleneous... I don't think Jerry Rice was considered a burner either if I recall.. Not slow but not blazing fast either.. Now maybe I'm wrong on this but for me.. the first step is always the most important as far as getting off the LOS and dominating the rout as it were.. A lot of it I think too depends on the QB... Some guys are fixated on the hot rout and that too can lead to trouble... So many variables to account for in a 3-4 second play...
Per my last reply above, Brian Brennan was very quick and great at change of direction. That worked well with Infante utilizing as much as the 53 yard width of field as possible. Webster Slaughter was the deep threat that helped open up the underneath stuff. Fun offensive football to watch in the 80s.
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For me it's.. You can catch.. Or you can't... Everything else is miscelleneous... I don't think Jerry Rice was considered a burner either if I recall.. Not slow but not blazing fast either.. Now maybe I'm wrong on this but for me.. the first step is always the most important as far as getting off the LOS and dominating the rout as it were.. A lot of it I think too depends on the QB... Some guys are fixated on the hot rout and that too can lead to trouble... So many variables to account for in a 3-4 second play...
Per my last reply above, Brian Brennan was very quick and great at change of direction. That worked well with Infante utilizing as much as the 53 yard width of field as possible. Webster Slaughter was the deep threat that helped open up the underneath stuff. Fun offensive football to watch in the 80s.
Per my last reply above, Brian Brennan was very quick and great at change of direction. That worked well with Infante utilizing as much as the 53 yard width of field as possible. Webster Slaughter was the deep threat that helped open up the underneath stuff. Fun offensive football to watch in the 80s.
Yeah Brennan.. Like Anthony Carter had that rare gift of pivot and catch.. I'm gonna use AC as an example here because he was great at running 10-15 yard routes and he would stop on a dime.. Pivot and catch first downs... Those are the kinds of chain movers you want on your team.. Win the Route... You win the play/game...
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As we have seen with Schwartz and numerous other receivers...Ross in Cincy come to mind, Speed doesn't make a good receivers. It's more the icing on the cake.
For me it's.. You can catch.. Or you can't... Everything else is miscelleneous... I don't think Jerry Rice was considered a burner either if I recall.. Not slow but not blazing fast either.. Now maybe I'm wrong on this but for me.. the first step is always the most important as far as getting off the LOS and dominating the rout as it were.. A lot of it I think too depends on the QB... Some guys are fixated on the hot rout and that too can lead to trouble... So many variables to account for in a 3-4 second play...
For me it's.. You can catch.. Or you can't... Everything else is miscelleneous... I don't think Jerry Rice was considered a burner either if I recall.. Not slow but not blazing fast either.. Now maybe I'm wrong on this but for me.. the first step is always the most important as far as getting off the LOS and dominating the rout as it were.. A lot of it I think too depends on the QB... Some guys are fixated on the hot rout and that too can lead to trouble... So many variables to account for in a 3-4 second play...
Jerry Rice used to catch many throws after every practice. he worked hard as anyone could - to better his ability to catch every ball thrown to him. His work ethic resulted in him becoming one of the greatest wrs to ever play the game. Probably the greatest.
Don't ignore those players who want to be the best - like the Browns have done for so many drafts:
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/jerry-rice-recalls-worries-nfl-draft-49ers
Jerry Rice recalls NFL Draft worries: 'I never thought I was going to get drafted'
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Interesting thing about Jerry Rice is that he actually struggled to catch the ball as a rookie so much that he was nearly benched at one point. (He lost his starting job but still played a decent amount. At one point in the season, he had 26 receptions but 10 dropped passes) According to him, he started wearing gloves covered in Stickem, which had been outlawed by then.
He worked hard, eventually ditched the gloves (and I'm guessing the Stickem) and became the arguably the best WR of all-time when he retired.
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For me it's.. You can catch.. Or you can't... Everything else is miscelleneous... I don't think Jerry Rice was considered a burner either if I recall.. Not slow but not blazing fast either.. Now maybe I'm wrong on this but for me.. the first step is always the most important as far as getting off the LOS and dominating the rout as it were.. A lot of it I think too depends on the QB... Some guys are fixated on the hot rout and that too can lead to trouble... So many variables to account for in a 3-4 second play...
Jerry Rice used to catch many throws after every practice. he worked hard as anyone could - to better his ability to catch every ball thrown to him. His work ethic resulted in him becoming one of the greatest wrs to ever play the game. Probably the greatest.
Don't ignore those players who want to be the best - like the Browns have done for so many drafts:
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/jerry-rice-recalls-worries-nfl-draft-49ers
Jerry Rice recalls NFL Draft worries: 'I never thought I was going to get drafted'
Jerry Rice recalls
I recall, upon our return and drafting of Couch & Kevin Johnson, Jerry Rice asked KJ to come out and work out with him. And KJ said that he didn't need Rice's assistance. And I thought to myself, Really? There's nothing you could learn from one of the best WR's ever? - Some years later he caught a 1st down pass...and then rolled backwards several yards so he wouldn't get hit...but the idiot had given back the 1st down and we had to punt. Butch Davis benched him for the rest of the game and then traded him.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Jerry Rice recalls
I recall, upon our return and drafting of Couch & Kevin Johnson, Jerry Rice asked KJ to come out and work out with him. And KJ said that he didn't need Rice's assistance. And I thought to myself, Really? There's nothing you could learn from one of the best WR's ever? - Some years later he caught a 1st down pass...and then rolled backwards several yards so he wouldn't get hit...but the idiot had given back the 1st down and we had to punt. Butch Davis benched him for the rest of the game and then traded him.
I recall, upon our return and drafting of Couch & Kevin Johnson, Jerry Rice asked KJ to come out and work out with him. And KJ said that he didn't need Rice's assistance. And I thought to myself, Really? There's nothing you could learn from one of the best WR's ever? - Some years later he caught a 1st down pass...and then rolled backwards several yards so he wouldn't get hit...but the idiot had given back the 1st down and we had to punt. Butch Davis benched him for the rest of the game and then traded him.
KJ was a sissy and a quitter..
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Jerry Rice recalls
I recall, upon our return and drafting of Couch & Kevin Johnson, Jerry Rice asked KJ to come out and work out with him. And KJ said that he didn't need Rice's assistance. And I thought to myself, Really? There's nothing you could learn from one of the best WR's ever? - Some years later he caught a 1st down pass...and then rolled backwards several yards so he wouldn't get hit...but the idiot had given back the 1st down and we had to punt. Butch Davis benched him for the rest of the game and then traded him.
I recall, upon our return and drafting of Couch & Kevin Johnson, Jerry Rice asked KJ to come out and work out with him. And KJ said that he didn't need Rice's assistance. And I thought to myself, Really? There's nothing you could learn from one of the best WR's ever? - Some years later he caught a 1st down pass...and then rolled backwards several yards so he wouldn't get hit...but the idiot had given back the 1st down and we had to punt. Butch Davis benched him for the rest of the game and then traded him.
Funny, what I remember of Kevin Johnson was Tim Couch constantly throwing behind him on slants, to the point I jokingly would call it our:
3rd and 7 Slant Thrown Behind Kevin Johnson by Tim Couch Reception For Four Yards Play. ?Edit: Wow, you really jogged my memory. I had forgotten about Davis cutting KJ, but I remember going to the next game and fans were all over Butch Davis, but somehow the Browns pulled an ass-kicking of the Cardinals out of their ass. Annihilated them, then if I recall (I'm going to have to look this up) they might have lost the rest of their games and Davis would literally quit his job during the season and walk away. Was there some other weird rumors around why KJ got released? My memory is really foggy, but for some reason a story about KJ sleeping with WIlliam Green's wife/girlfriend and someone getting stabbed seems like it happened? Wow, this feels like it happend a lifetime ago.
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I recall, upon our return and drafting of Couch & Kevin Johnson, Jerry Rice asked KJ to come out and work out with him. And KJ said that he didn't need Rice's assistance. And I thought to myself, Really? There's nothing you could learn from one of the best WR's ever? - Some years later he caught a 1st down pass...and then rolled backwards several yards so he wouldn't get hit...but the idiot had given back the 1st down and we had to punt. Butch Davis benched him for the rest of the game and then traded him.
Funny, what I remember of Kevin Johnson was Tim Couch constantly throwing behind him on slants, to the point I jokingly would call it our:
3rd and 7 Slant Thrown Behind Kevin Johnson by Tim Couch Reception For Four Yards Play. ?Edit: Wow, you really jogged my memory. I had forgotten about Davis cutting KJ, but I remember going to the next game and fans were all over Butch Davis, but somehow the Browns pulled an ass-kicking of the Cardinals out of their ass. Annihilated them, then if I recall (I'm going to have to look this up) they might have lost the rest of their games and Davis would literally quit his job during the season and walk away. Was there some other weird rumors around why KJ got released? My memory is really foggy, but for some reason a story about KJ sleeping with WIlliam Green's wife/girlfriend and someone getting stabbed seems like it happened? Wow, this feels like it happend a lifetime ago.
Funny, what I remember of Kevin Johnson was
Do you remember the play that I referenced? I remember it very well. I was like, WTF did that pussy just do?!
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Funny, what I remember of Kevin Johnson was
Do you remember the play that I referenced? I remember it very well. I was like, WTF did that pussy just do?!
Do you remember the play that I referenced? I remember it very well. I was like, WTF did that pussy just do?!
I kind of do?
The Butch Davis era feels like it was 100 years ago.
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Legacy? Is Lawyer his dad?
I checked for that on draft day. His dad is Cedric.
“Honestly since he was like nine," Tillman Sr. said with a laugh. "You know he said, 'Dad I’m going to go to the NFL. I’m going to have a big house with a pool and a slide in it.' So I’m like, 'Whoa, okay, interesting.'”
Tillman’s dad knows a thing or two about the NFL. He played four seasons in the league also as a wide receiver. As his son grew bigger and bigger, Tillman Sr. knew his son had the ability.
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Legacy? Is Lawyer his dad?
I checked for that on draft day. His dad is Cedric.
“Honestly since he was like nine," Tillman Sr. said with a laugh. "You know he said, 'Dad I’m going to go to the NFL. I’m going to have a big house with a pool and a slide in it.' So I’m like, 'Whoa, okay, interesting.'”
Tillman’s dad knows a thing or two about the NFL. He played four seasons in the league also as a wide receiver. As his son grew bigger and bigger, Tillman Sr. knew his son had the ability.
I checked for that on draft day. His dad is Cedric.
“Honestly since he was like nine," Tillman Sr. said with a laugh. "You know he said, 'Dad I’m going to go to the NFL. I’m going to have a big house with a pool and a slide in it.' So I’m like, 'Whoa, okay, interesting.'”
Tillman’s dad knows a thing or two about the NFL. He played four seasons in the league also as a wide receiver. As his son grew bigger and bigger, Tillman Sr. knew his son had the ability.
While Jalin Hyatt got all the hype - I think Tillman is going to be a better pro. Try to picture a Josh Gordon that likes football more than marijuana; and that's how I see Cedric Tillman. We got a tall WR that actually likes football and he's good at it too!
I may be old. I may be tired. But that doesn't mean I'm uninspired.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
PFF draft analysis today included their comment that Tillman's ability to decelerate is elite
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I checked for that on draft day. His dad is Cedric.
“Honestly since he was like nine," Tillman Sr. said with a laugh. "You know he said, 'Dad I’m going to go to the NFL. I’m going to have a big house with a pool and a slide in it.' So I’m like, 'Whoa, okay, interesting.'”
Tillman’s dad knows a thing or two about the NFL. He played four seasons in the league also as a wide receiver. As his son grew bigger and bigger, Tillman Sr. knew his son had the ability.
While Jalin Hyatt got all the hype - I think Tillman is going to be a better pro. Try to picture a Josh Gordon that likes football more than marijuana; and that's how I see Cedric Tillman. We got a tall WR that actually likes football and he's good at it too!
I may be old. I may be tired. But that doesn't mean I'm uninspired.
While Jalin Hyatt got all the hype - I think Tillman is going to be a better pro. Try to picture a Josh Gordon that likes football more than marijuana; and that's how I see Cedric Tillman. We got a tall WR that actually likes football and he's good at it too!
I may be old. I may be tired. But that doesn't mean I'm uninspired.
I actually like Hyatt more... He's smooth.. He reminds me of Olave.. Super smooth route runner with good hands..... It'll be interesting to see how their careers shake out...
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I checked for that on draft day. His dad is Cedric.
“Honestly since he was like nine," Tillman Sr. said with a laugh. "You know he said, 'Dad I’m going to go to the NFL. I’m going to have a big house with a pool and a slide in it.' So I’m like, 'Whoa, okay, interesting.'”
Tillman’s dad knows a thing or two about the NFL. He played four seasons in the league also as a wide receiver. As his son grew bigger and bigger, Tillman Sr. knew his son had the ability.
While Jalin Hyatt got all the hype - I think Tillman is going to be a better pro. Try to picture a Josh Gordon that likes football more than marijuana; and that's how I see Cedric Tillman. We got a tall WR that actually likes football and he's good at it too!
I may be old. I may be tired. But that doesn't mean I'm uninspired.
While Jalin Hyatt got all the hype - I think Tillman is going to be a better pro. Try to picture a Josh Gordon that likes football more than marijuana; and that's how I see Cedric Tillman. We got a tall WR that actually likes football and he's good at it too!
I may be old. I may be tired. But that doesn't mean I'm uninspired.
He's got the size this WR room needed, hopefully he's got the talent and work ethic go along with it.
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I kind of do?
The Butch Davis era feels like it was 100 years ago.
Drafting the work ethic of Gerrard Warren instead of LaDanian Tomlinson is the 1st thing I remembered about the Butch Davis era. He followed that up with telling everyone they had to earn their starting jobs while Warren was lazy and sitting out drills in practice. He also assured us HIS RB James Jackson was as good as Edge James. After his defense and chosen ones at LBer gave up over 500 yards rushing to Jamal Lewis in just 6 quarters 1 season - Davis said something along the line of "when you really think about it - our defense played really well today outside of a few big plays they had on us." Then there's the playoff game he power played Foge Fazio and went prevent defense on Tommy FREAKIN Maddox. That blew a gigantic lead. Having said that, a wide open Dennis Northcutt over the middle had the ideal opportunity to put the game away when a pass that hit him right between the 8 and the 6 on his jersey landed on the ground. At the very least it would have been a 1st down causing Pitt to burn their final timeout. At best, there was nobody between him and the end zone. The really bad guy in this thread KJ had 4 receptions for 140 yards, which was an average of 35 yards per reception. I can assure you more veterans beside KJ hated Butch Davis on that team he quit on.
I never thought KJ was the horrible player I'm reading he was in this thread. In his 1st year on pretty much an expansion team in 99 he had 66 catches for 986 yards at 14.9 yards per catch and 8 TDs. He played with bad hamstring his entire 2nd year so his numbers dropped. However, his 3rd year he had 84 receptions for 1097 yards and 9 TDs. That's a combined 17 TDs in just his rookie and 3rd season. In comparison, the All Galaxy speedster Dennis Northcutt only had 11 TD receptions in the 7 years he was with the Browns. The same guy that showed up to the combines at something like 163lbs and ran 4.4 forties at the time that was ideal in 2000. The Browns drafted Northcutt with the 1st pick of round 2; and the knucklehead held out
In a 56 minute interview Jay Crawford had with KJ on Club 46, KJ explained Marvin Harrison encouraged him to change positions from QB to WR at SU. Not only that but he taught him how to play WR and worked with him. Sounded like it continued in off-seasons following Harrison's time at SU. I realize NOBODY is Jerry Rice - but Harrison is a HOF WR that KJ really looked up to. I'm guessing that was a big part of the reason he didn't feel like Rice needed to help him. The truth of the matter is KJ only played WR for 1.5 years at SU. When he was an All American as a senior it wasn't at WR. It was as a return man on STs. Considering all that, I think he played some decent football in Cleveland at least early-on.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I kind of do?
The Butch Davis era feels like it was 100 years ago.
Drafting the work ethic of Gerrard Warren instead of LaDanian Tomlinson is the 1st thing I remembered about the Butch Davis era. He followed that up with telling everyone they had to earn their starting jobs while Warren was lazy and sitting out drills in practice. He also assured us HIS RB James Jackson was as good as Edge James. After his defense and chosen ones at LBer gave up over 500 yards rushing to Jamal Lewis in just 6 quarters 1 season - Davis said something along the line of "when you really think about it - our defense played really well today outside of a few big plays they had on us." Then there's the playoff game he power played Foge Fazio and went prevent defense on Tommy FREAKIN Maddox. That blew a gigantic lead. Having said that, a wide open Dennis Northcutt over the middle had the ideal opportunity to put the game away when a pass that hit him right between the 8 and the 6 on his jersey landed on the ground. At the very least it would have been a 1st down causing Pitt to burn their final timeout. At best, there was nobody between him and the end zone. The really bad guy in this thread KJ had 4 receptions for 140 yards, which was an average of 35 yards per reception. I can assure you more veterans beside KJ hated Butch Davis on that team he quit on.
I never thought KJ was the horrible player I'm reading he was in this thread. In his 1st year on pretty much an expansion team in 99 he had 66 catches for 986 yards at 14.9 yards per catch and 8 TDs. He played with bad hamstring his entire 2nd year so his numbers dropped. However, his 3rd year he had 84 receptions for 1097 yards and 9 TDs. That's a combined 17 TDs in just his rookie and 3rd season. In comparison, the All Galaxy speedster Dennis Northcutt only had 11 TD receptions in the 7 years he was with the Browns. The same guy that showed up to the combines at something like 163lbs and ran 4.4 forties at the time that was ideal in 2000. The Browns drafted Northcutt with the 1st pick of round 2; and the knucklehead held out
In a 56 minute interview Jay Crawford had with KJ on Club 46, KJ explained Marvin Harrison encouraged him to change positions from QB to WR at SU. Not only that but he taught him how to play WR and worked with him. Sounded like it continued in off-seasons following Harrison's time at SU. I realize NOBODY is Jerry Rice - but Harrison is a HOF WR that KJ really looked up to. I'm guessing that was a big part of the reason he didn't feel like Rice needed to help him. The truth of the matter is KJ only played WR for 1.5 years at SU. When he was an All American as a senior it wasn't at WR. It was as a return man on STs. Considering all that, I think he played some decent football in Cleveland at least early-on.
a wide open Dennis Northcutt over the middle
I remember it as an out pattern near the sidelines. Me and two of my best friends were watching the game and all three of us, at the same instant yelled out Ohhh!!!
I also recall that all of Butch's scouts had told him to draft NOT Gerard Warren, but Richard Seymour. But Noooo, 'cos Butch recruited Warren so it HAD to be Warren.
But....that was 100 years ago now.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
a wide open Dennis Northcutt over the middle
I remember it as an out pattern near the sidelines. Me and two of my best friends were watching the game and all three of us, at the same instant yelled out Ohhh!!!
I also recall that all of Butch's scouts had told him to draft NOT Gerard Warren, but Richard Seymour. But Noooo, 'cos Butch recruited Warren so it HAD to be Warren.
But....that was 100 years ago now.
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a wide open Dennis Northcutt over the middle
I remember it as an out pattern near the sidelines. Me and two of my best friends were watching the game and all three of us, at the same instant yelled out Ohhh!!!
I also recall that all of Butch's scouts had told him to draft NOT Gerard Warren, but Richard Seymour. But Noooo, 'cos Butch recruited Warren so it HAD to be Warren.
But....that was 100 years ago now.
I remember it as an out pattern near the sidelines. Me and two of my best friends were watching the game and all three of us, at the same instant yelled out Ohhh!!!
I also recall that all of Butch's scouts had told him to draft NOT Gerard Warren, but Richard Seymour. But Noooo, 'cos Butch recruited Warren so it HAD to be Warren.
But....that was 100 years ago now.
Just like we should've drafted Roethlisberger instead of his "Souldja" WIn-SLOW.. I still think Davis is a great coach... Davis's biggest enemy was himself and his ego...
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