Pluto: How I've Heard The Browns Are Rebuilding Offense For Watson
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I see more empty backfield sets as well. All of that plays in to a more vertical game
Not to be a dick, but that's also not entirely correct. When you move away from the most common pass pro in football (2 jet) 6 man (RB chip) in favor of having a 5th immediate threat in the pattern, it actually serves mostly to help the shorter, intermediate and horizontal passing game. I've made this link before, but it just so happens that a lot of Coach Musgrave's offensive philosophy is based on those types of designs. Horizontal stretch, into a vertical running game and then your deep shots that off those designs. As opposed to what have been our "traditional", 5-7 step ball-action drops from zone stretch looks.
Not to be a dick, .
I don't think you are a dick. Asshole probably, but hey, so am I
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I see more empty backfield sets as well. All of that plays in to a more vertical game
Not to be a dick, but that's also not entirely correct. When you move away from the most common pass pro in football (2 jet) 6 man (RB chip) in favor of having a 5th immediate threat in the pattern, it actually serves mostly to help the shorter, intermediate and horizontal passing game. I've made this link before, but it just so happens that a lot of Coach Musgrave's offensive philosophy is based on those types of designs. Horizontal stretch, into a vertical running game and then your deep shots that off those designs. As opposed to what have been our "traditional", 5-7 step ball-action drops from zone stretch looks.
Not to be a dick, but that's also not entirely correct. When you move away from the most common pass pro in football (2 jet) 6 man (RB chip) in favor of having a 5th immediate threat in the pattern, it actually serves mostly to help the shorter, intermediate and horizontal passing game. I've made this link before, but it just so happens that a lot of Coach Musgrave's offensive philosophy is based on those types of designs. Horizontal stretch, into a vertical running game and then your deep shots that off those designs. As opposed to what have been our "traditional", 5-7 step ball-action drops from zone stretch looks.
A lot of what we can/will do will be contingent upon how well/consistent our Left Tackle. If he's not, he may need help from backs chipping and/or a TE lining up to his left.
I've never been an empty backfield fan. Even when Watson plays well, he takes a lot of sacks being patient. Some of that could also be he's not a Dan Marino quick release type.
We'll see what they do. All my blow hard comes from a guy that needs his day job.
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Not to be a dick, but that's also not entirely correct. When you move away from the most common pass pro in football (2 jet) 6 man (RB chip) in favor of having a 5th immediate threat in the pattern, it actually serves mostly to help the shorter, intermediate and horizontal passing game. I've made this link before, but it just so happens that a lot of Coach Musgrave's offensive philosophy is based on those types of designs. Horizontal stretch, into a vertical running game and then your deep shots that off those designs. As opposed to what have been our "traditional", 5-7 step ball-action drops from zone stretch looks.
A lot of what we can/will do will be contingent upon how well/consistent our Left Tackle. If he's not, he may need help from backs chipping and/or a TE lining up to his left.
I've never been an empty backfield fan. Even when Watson plays well, he takes a lot of sacks being patient. Some of that could also be he's not a Dan Marino quick release type.
We'll see what they do. All my blow hard comes from a guy that needs his day job.
I've never been an empty backfield fan. Even when Watson plays well, he takes a lot of sacks being patient. Some of that could also be he's not a Dan Marino quick release type.
Like yourself... This has always been a big no no for me... Especially after seeing Jim Jenkins Implode with the Run and shoot in college..I think If I remember correctly.. Him and Mouse Davis were pretty much the authors of the "Run and Gun" "Run and Shoot" style offenses in the late 80's , early 90's.. Was never really a fan.. I think Warren Moon ran it pretty well.. But he also threw more picks.. I would have to go back and check out the #'s to verify that.. I was also a Moon fan.. Helluva QB.. His only problem.. He choked when it counted much like Donovan McNabb... Both great QB's... Both couldn't win a sausage to save their collective souls... For me... a damn good RB has always been a QB's best friend... While a guy like Leroy Hoard was not elite... He played his role well.. And I've always had respect for hard working backs like himself, Larry Kinnebrew and OJ Anderson.. They may not be flashy... But they were every bit as important to an offense as anybody...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Not to be a dick, but that's also not entirely correct. When you move away from the most common pass pro in football (2 jet) 6 man (RB chip) in favor of having a 5th immediate threat in the pattern, it actually serves mostly to help the shorter, intermediate and horizontal passing game. I've made this link before, but it just so happens that a lot of Coach Musgrave's offensive philosophy is based on those types of designs. Horizontal stretch, into a vertical running game and then your deep shots that off those designs. As opposed to what have been our "traditional", 5-7 step ball-action drops from zone stretch looks.
A lot of what we can/will do will be contingent upon how well/consistent our Left Tackle. If he's not, he may need help from backs chipping and/or a TE lining up to his left.
I've never been an empty backfield fan. Even when Watson plays well, he takes a lot of sacks being patient. Some of that could also be he's not a Dan Marino quick release type.
We'll see what they do. All my blow hard comes from a guy that needs his day job.
I've never been an empty backfield fan.
It takes any and all threat of the run away...so I'm not a big fan of it with 3 yards or less needed. And please don't be thinking that you're gonna be running my kazillian dollar QB out of that set!
Of course the Tom Brady Patriots would just nickel & dime ya right down the field with that horizontal slant game that Tia was mentioning.
And how well the OL can handle the defense of the week needs to be factored into it's use. After all, it's in Wills' contract that he only has to block for 3.5 seconds per play.
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I've never been an empty backfield fan. Even when Watson plays well, he takes a lot of sacks being patient. Some of that could also be he's not a Dan Marino quick release type.
Like yourself... This has always been a big no no for me... Especially after seeing Jim Jenkins Implode with the Run and shoot in college..I think If I remember correctly.. Him and Mouse Davis were pretty much the authors of the "Run and Gun" "Run and Shoot" style offenses in the late 80's , early 90's.. Was never really a fan.. I think Warren Moon ran it pretty well.. But he also threw more picks.. I would have to go back and check out the #'s to verify that.. I was also a Moon fan.. Helluva QB.. His only problem.. He choked when it counted much like Donovan McNabb... Both great QB's... Both couldn't win a sausage to save their collective souls... For me... a damn good RB has always been a QB's best friend... While a guy like Leroy Hoard was not elite... He played his role well.. And I've always had respect for hard working backs like himself, Larry Kinnebrew and OJ Anderson.. They may not be flashy... But they were every bit as important to an offense as anybody...
Like yourself... This has always been a big no no for me... Especially after seeing Jim Jenkins Implode with the Run and shoot in college..I think If I remember correctly.. Him and Mouse Davis were pretty much the authors of the "Run and Gun" "Run and Shoot" style offenses in the late 80's , early 90's.. Was never really a fan.. I think Warren Moon ran it pretty well.. But he also threw more picks.. I would have to go back and check out the #'s to verify that.. I was also a Moon fan.. Helluva QB.. His only problem.. He choked when it counted much like Donovan McNabb... Both great QB's... Both couldn't win a sausage to save their collective souls... For me... a damn good RB has always been a QB's best friend... While a guy like Leroy Hoard was not elite... He played his role well.. And I've always had respect for hard working backs like himself, Larry Kinnebrew and OJ Anderson.. They may not be flashy... But they were every bit as important to an offense as anybody...
Lindy Infante did some 1 back sets when he went with multiple Receivers in 86. He loved to flank/slot/wing RB Herman Fontenot outside and either use Kevin Mack or Earnest Byner as the single back in the multiple receiver spread. Bernie could do the quick reads. Fontenot could go to the flats or hook zones when defenses wanted to blitz Bernie and the single back could either do a swing pass outside or Bernie could check into a draw. Infante and Bernie were an absolute nightmare for the defenses wanting to blitz. As I posted somewhere else, the RBs (Mack, Byner, Dickey, and Fontenot combined for 123 receptions) in that 86 season where the Browns went 12-4. He loved tp spread the horizontally side sideline which opened seams downfield for Langhorne and Slaughter. Brian Brennan did a lot of work between the hook zones. We also had Ozzie that could run some WR or TE routes (he was an All American WR at Bama).
Just looking at the volume of sacks Watson took in Houston - I don't know if he's a quick read kind of QB that would flourish with empty back sets. 1 back sets can at least place a wing back 1 yard over and 1 yard back to the left of Wills to help chip the edge rusher prior to running a short route to the flats or adjacent hook zone. Meanwhile the single back can block, run the ball or take a quick pitch or swing pass outside. I'm hoping Wills improves this year to the extent he's reliable and consistent. He's got the frame; but does he have the inner chest? If he doesn't, will empty backfields be a smart way to protect the big investment at QB?
I can't wait to see what the design of the offense looks like.
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I've never been an empty backfield fan.
It takes any and all threat of the run away...so I'm not a big fan of it with 3 yards or less needed. And please don't be thinking that you're gonna be running my kazillian dollar QB out of that set!
Of course the Tom Brady Patriots would just nickel & dime ya right down the field with that horizontal slant game that Tia was mentioning.
And how well the OL can handle the defense of the week needs to be factored into it's use. After all, it's in Wills' contract that he only has to block for 3.5 seconds per play.
It takes any and all threat of the run away...so I'm not a big fan of it with 3 yards or less needed. And please don't be thinking that you're gonna be running my kazillian dollar QB out of that set!
Of course the Tom Brady Patriots would just nickel & dime ya right down the field with that horizontal slant game that Tia was mentioning.
And how well the OL can handle the defense of the week needs to be factored into it's use. After all, it's in Wills' contract that he only has to block for 3.5 seconds per play.
Well said! Looks like we have some similar concerns.
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I've never been an empty backfield fan. Even when Watson plays well, he takes a lot of sacks being patient. Some of that could also be he's not a Dan Marino quick release type.
Like yourself... This has always been a big no no for me... Especially after seeing Jim Jenkins Implode with the Run and shoot in college..I think If I remember correctly.. Him and Mouse Davis were pretty much the authors of the "Run and Gun" "Run and Shoot" style offenses in the late 80's , early 90's.. Was never really a fan.. I think Warren Moon ran it pretty well.. But he also threw more picks.. I would have to go back and check out the #'s to verify that.. I was also a Moon fan.. Helluva QB.. His only problem.. He choked when it counted much like Donovan McNabb... Both great QB's... Both couldn't win a sausage to save their collective souls... For me... a damn good RB has always been a QB's best friend... While a guy like Leroy Hoard was not elite... He played his role well.. And I've always had respect for hard working backs like himself, Larry Kinnebrew and OJ Anderson.. They may not be flashy... But they were every bit as important to an offense as anybody...
Like yourself... This has always been a big no no for me... Especially after seeing Jim Jenkins Implode with the Run and shoot in college..I think If I remember correctly.. Him and Mouse Davis were pretty much the authors of the "Run and Gun" "Run and Shoot" style offenses in the late 80's , early 90's.. Was never really a fan.. I think Warren Moon ran it pretty well.. But he also threw more picks.. I would have to go back and check out the #'s to verify that.. I was also a Moon fan.. Helluva QB.. His only problem.. He choked when it counted much like Donovan McNabb... Both great QB's... Both couldn't win a sausage to save their collective souls... For me... a damn good RB has always been a QB's best friend... While a guy like Leroy Hoard was not elite... He played his role well.. And I've always had respect for hard working backs like himself, Larry Kinnebrew and OJ Anderson.. They may not be flashy... But they were every bit as important to an offense as anybody...
Were the increased picks a result of the system or the fact he threw more passes? I mean, if you played a game with zero passing attempts, you wouldn't have any picks, right?
Now to be on point, I am not saying we are going to be 0 backs a huge amount of the time. We will just see more. Chubb is still going to get his carries. They may go down some, but nothing drastic. As players age, it is normal for a coach to try to save a star player from excess wear. Without looking up the numbers, Chubb has been getting around 280-300 carries a year, and most of those were in 3 qtrs a game. It seemed that Hunt got a big portion of the 3rd qtr carries.
I'd still expect Chubb to get 250ish carries. I am just not sure that Ford is going to get Hunts carries. He will get some. So will Watson. Moore will probably get the other plays that a back would have gotten. On some he may line up in the backfield, but i doubt he gets many as a straight handoff.
As long as we are gaining yards and winning games it doesn't matter how we get them. Right?
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Like yourself... This has always been a big no no for me... Especially after seeing Jim Jenkins Implode with the Run and shoot in college..I think If I remember correctly.. Him and Mouse Davis were pretty much the authors of the "Run and Gun" "Run and Shoot" style offenses in the late 80's , early 90's.. Was never really a fan.. I think Warren Moon ran it pretty well.. But he also threw more picks.. I would have to go back and check out the #'s to verify that.. I was also a Moon fan.. Helluva QB.. His only problem.. He choked when it counted much like Donovan McNabb... Both great QB's... Both couldn't win a sausage to save their collective souls... For me... a damn good RB has always been a QB's best friend... While a guy like Leroy Hoard was not elite... He played his role well.. And I've always had respect for hard working backs like himself, Larry Kinnebrew and OJ Anderson.. They may not be flashy... But they were every bit as important to an offense as anybody...
Were the increased picks a result of the system or the fact he threw more passes? I mean, if you played a game with zero passing attempts, you wouldn't have any picks, right?
Now to be on point, I am not saying we are going to be 0 backs a huge amount of the time. We will just see more. Chubb is still going to get his carries. They may go down some, but nothing drastic. As players age, it is normal for a coach to try to save a star player from excess wear. Without looking up the numbers, Chubb has been getting around 280-300 carries a year, and most of those were in 3 qtrs a game. It seemed that Hunt got a big portion of the 3rd qtr carries.
I'd still expect Chubb to get 250ish carries. I am just not sure that Ford is going to get Hunts carries. He will get some. So will Watson. Moore will probably get the other plays that a back would have gotten. On some he may line up in the backfield, but i doubt he gets many as a straight handoff.
As long as we are gaining yards and winning games it doesn't matter how we get them. Right?
Were the increased picks a result of the system or the fact he threw more passes? I mean, if you played a game with zero passing attempts, you wouldn't have any picks, right?
Now to be on point, I am not saying we are going to be 0 backs a huge amount of the time. We will just see more. Chubb is still going to get his carries. They may go down some, but nothing drastic. As players age, it is normal for a coach to try to save a star player from excess wear. Without looking up the numbers, Chubb has been getting around 280-300 carries a year, and most of those were in 3 qtrs a game. It seemed that Hunt got a big portion of the 3rd qtr carries.
I'd still expect Chubb to get 250ish carries. I am just not sure that Ford is going to get Hunts carries. He will get some. So will Watson. Moore will probably get the other plays that a back would have gotten. On some he may line up in the backfield, but i doubt he gets many as a straight handoff.
As long as we are gaining yards and winning games it doesn't matter how we get them. Right?
Well it will matter if Watson gets injured.. Then it will matter.. Hes not even a big dude... He's barely one inch taller than Mayfield.. This isnt a big guy like Steve McNair or Big Ben were talking about here.. I don't like My QB's running all over the place regardless.. I like them winning from the pocket..
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Were the increased picks a result of the system or the fact he threw more passes? I mean, if you played a game with zero passing attempts, you wouldn't have any picks, right?
Now to be on point, I am not saying we are going to be 0 backs a huge amount of the time. We will just see more. Chubb is still going to get his carries. They may go down some, but nothing drastic. As players age, it is normal for a coach to try to save a star player from excess wear. Without looking up the numbers, Chubb has been getting around 280-300 carries a year, and most of those were in 3 qtrs a game. It seemed that Hunt got a big portion of the 3rd qtr carries.
I'd still expect Chubb to get 250ish carries. I am just not sure that Ford is going to get Hunts carries. He will get some. So will Watson. Moore will probably get the other plays that a back would have gotten. On some he may line up in the backfield, but i doubt he gets many as a straight handoff.
As long as we are gaining yards and winning games it doesn't matter how we get them. Right?
Well it will matter if Watson gets injured.. Then it will matter.. Hes not even a big dude... He's barely one inch taller than Mayfield.. This isnt a big guy like Steve McNair or Big Ben were talking about here.. I don't like My QB's running all over the place regardless.. I like them winning from the pocket..
Well it will matter if Watson gets injured.. Then it will matter.. Hes not even a big dude... He's barely one inch taller than Mayfield.. This isnt a big guy like Steve McNair or Big Ben were talking about here.. I don't like My QB's running all over the place regardless.. I like them winning from the pocket..
Not only that, but he doesn't have Lamar Jackson type of speed for us to even considering using him like Jackson. How often has Lamar Jackson been healthy in the 2nd half of seasons in the last 2-3 years or so? Those hits really add-up after the QBs have been doing it for 4-5 years or more. We want him mobile (and he is), but the Browns have a GREAT RB and usually quality depth behind him. I think a guy like Joe Burrow is great at knowing when to tuck it up and run. I'm okay with that too because he doesn't over-use it.
The last season Watson played for the really crappy organization in Houston, he was the #1 rated passer in the AFC with a completion % of 70% and a TD:INT ratio of 33:7. I'm only showing that because it reminded me of him surgically removing Ohio State's defense from the BCS playoff blowout. He was very accurate. The reason his last season in Houston was the only one he didn't lead his team to the playoffs of the 3 years he suited up was they had an aging defense with injuries. JJ Watt's-his-name was playing defense like the lyrics "well I'm half the man I used to be." Ok Nicks, what's the name of that song and the band jamming it?
Anyway, I think all of the countless moves, draft picks and the DC upgrade to Schwartz this offseason will give our offense enough margin of error to win the type of games the Browns couldn't win last year. I think our Special Teams will perform better as well under Bubba.
We'll see...
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Well it will matter if Watson gets injured.. Then it will matter.. Hes not even a big dude... He's barely one inch taller than Mayfield.. This isnt a big guy like Steve McNair or Big Ben were talking about here.. I don't like My QB's running all over the place regardless.. I like them winning from the pocket..
Not only that, but he doesn't have Lamar Jackson type of speed for us to even considering using him like Jackson. How often has Lamar Jackson been healthy in the 2nd half of seasons in the last 2-3 years or so? Those hits really add-up after the QBs have been doing it for 4-5 years or more. We want him mobile (and he is), but the Browns have a GREAT RB and usually quality depth behind him. I think a guy like Joe Burrow is great at knowing when to tuck it up and run. I'm okay with that too because he doesn't over-use it.
The last season Watson played for the really crappy organization in Houston, he was the #1 rated passer in the AFC with a completion % of 70% and a TD:INT ratio of 33:7. I'm only showing that because it reminded me of him surgically removing Ohio State's defense from the BCS playoff blowout. He was very accurate. The reason his last season in Houston was the only one he didn't lead his team to the playoffs of the 3 years he suited up was they had an aging defense with injuries. JJ Watt's-his-name was playing defense like the lyrics "well I'm half the man I used to be." Ok Nicks, what's the name of that song and the band jamming it?
Anyway, I think all of the countless moves, draft picks and the DC upgrade to Schwartz this offseason will give our offense enough margin of error to win the type of games the Browns couldn't win last year. I think our Special Teams will perform better as well under Bubba.
We'll see...
Not only that, but he doesn't have Lamar Jackson type of speed for us to even considering using him like Jackson. How often has Lamar Jackson been healthy in the 2nd half of seasons in the last 2-3 years or so? Those hits really add-up after the QBs have been doing it for 4-5 years or more. We want him mobile (and he is), but the Browns have a GREAT RB and usually quality depth behind him. I think a guy like Joe Burrow is great at knowing when to tuck it up and run. I'm okay with that too because he doesn't over-use it.
The last season Watson played for the really crappy organization in Houston, he was the #1 rated passer in the AFC with a completion % of 70% and a TD:INT ratio of 33:7. I'm only showing that because it reminded me of him surgically removing Ohio State's defense from the BCS playoff blowout. He was very accurate. The reason his last season in Houston was the only one he didn't lead his team to the playoffs of the 3 years he suited up was they had an aging defense with injuries. JJ Watt's-his-name was playing defense like the lyrics "well I'm half the man I used to be." Ok Nicks, what's the name of that song and the band jamming it?
Anyway, I think all of the countless moves, draft picks and the DC upgrade to Schwartz this offseason will give our offense enough margin of error to win the type of games the Browns couldn't win last year. I think our Special Teams will perform better as well under Bubba.
We'll see...
I believe that was Stone Temple Pilots but I could be wrong lol..
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Were the increased picks a result of the system or the fact he threw more passes? I mean, if you played a game with zero passing attempts, you wouldn't have any picks, right?
Now to be on point, I am not saying we are going to be 0 backs a huge amount of the time. We will just see more. Chubb is still going to get his carries. They may go down some, but nothing drastic. As players age, it is normal for a coach to try to save a star player from excess wear. Without looking up the numbers, Chubb has been getting around 280-300 carries a year, and most of those were in 3 qtrs a game. It seemed that Hunt got a big portion of the 3rd qtr carries.
I'd still expect Chubb to get 250ish carries. I am just not sure that Ford is going to get Hunts carries. He will get some. So will Watson. Moore will probably get the other plays that a back would have gotten. On some he may line up in the backfield, but i doubt he gets many as a straight handoff.
As long as we are gaining yards and winning games it doesn't matter how we get them. Right?
Well it will matter if Watson gets injured.. Then it will matter.. Hes not even a big dude... He's barely one inch taller than Mayfield.. This isnt a big guy like Steve McNair or Big Ben were talking about here.. I don't like My QB's running all over the place regardless.. I like them winning from the pocket..
Well it will matter if Watson gets injured.. Then it will matter.. Hes not even a big dude... He's barely one inch taller than Mayfield.. This isnt a big guy like Steve McNair or Big Ben were talking about here.. I don't like My QB's running all over the place regardless.. I like them winning from the pocket..
Come on Nick. Of course it will hurt if Watsons gets hurt. If he gets hurt in game 2, I seriously doubt we can lean on the running game to produce 10 more wins. Be real here.
This dovetails with a comment by Flugs: I don't know how to look this up, even if it can, but I'd bet more QB's over the last 10 years have been seriously hurt behind the LOS rather than past the LOS. The pocket can be a death trap. Even in the last 3-4 years.
Any half way decent coach tells the QB that unless it is a do or die type situation in a do or die type a game at a do or die moment, don't try to milk the last 2-3 yards. Just give it up. If they do stupid shit like a few of our's did and think they could run, well ok, that isn't good.
Watson isn't like those guys, he can run. I don't want to see him triple flipping towards the end zone and getting hurt like McGown or like Baker running and think he was a power runner.
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Well it will matter if Watson gets injured.. Then it will matter.. Hes not even a big dude... He's barely one inch taller than Mayfield.. This isnt a big guy like Steve McNair or Big Ben were talking about here.. I don't like My QB's running all over the place regardless.. I like them winning from the pocket..
Come on Nick. Of course it will hurt if Watsons gets hurt. If he gets hurt in game 2, I seriously doubt we can lean on the running game to produce 10 more wins. Be real here.
This dovetails with a comment by Flugs: I don't know how to look this up, even if it can, but I'd bet more QB's over the last 10 years have been seriously hurt behind the LOS rather than past the LOS. The pocket can be a death trap. Even in the last 3-4 years.
Any half way decent coach tells the QB that unless it is a do or die type situation in a do or die type a game at a do or die moment, don't try to milk the last 2-3 yards. Just give it up. If they do stupid shit like a few of our's did and think they could run, well ok, that isn't good.
Watson isn't like those guys, he can run. I don't want to see him triple flipping towards the end zone and getting hurt like McGown or like Baker running and think he was a power runner.
Come on Nick. Of course it will hurt if Watsons gets hurt. If he gets hurt in game 2, I seriously doubt we can lean on the running game to produce 10 more wins. Be real here.
This dovetails with a comment by Flugs: I don't know how to look this up, even if it can, but I'd bet more QB's over the last 10 years have been seriously hurt behind the LOS rather than past the LOS. The pocket can be a death trap. Even in the last 3-4 years.
Any half way decent coach tells the QB that unless it is a do or die type situation in a do or die type a game at a do or die moment, don't try to milk the last 2-3 yards. Just give it up. If they do stupid shit like a few of our's did and think they could run, well ok, that isn't good.
Watson isn't like those guys, he can run. I don't want to see him triple flipping towards the end zone and getting hurt like McGown or like Baker running and think he was a power runner.
Ooookay!
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Were the increased picks a result of the system or the fact he threw more passes? I mean, if you played a game with zero passing attempts, you wouldn't have any picks, right?
Now to be on point, I am not saying we are going to be 0 backs a huge amount of the time. We will just see more. Chubb is still going to get his carries. They may go down some, but nothing drastic. As players age, it is normal for a coach to try to save a star player from excess wear. Without looking up the numbers, Chubb has been getting around 280-300 carries a year, and most of those were in 3 qtrs a game. It seemed that Hunt got a big portion of the 3rd qtr carries.
I'd still expect Chubb to get 250ish carries. I am just not sure that Ford is going to get Hunts carries. He will get some. So will Watson. Moore will probably get the other plays that a back would have gotten. On some he may line up in the backfield, but i doubt he gets many as a straight handoff.
As long as we are gaining yards and winning games it doesn't matter how we get them. Right?
Well it will matter if Watson gets injured.. Then it will matter.. Hes not even a big dude... He's barely one inch taller than Mayfield.. This isnt a big guy like Steve McNair or Big Ben were talking about here.. I don't like My QB's running all over the place regardless.. I like them winning from the pocket..
Well it will matter if Watson gets injured.. Then it will matter.. Hes not even a big dude... He's barely one inch taller than Mayfield.. This isnt a big guy like Steve McNair or Big Ben were talking about here.. I don't like My QB's running all over the place regardless.. I like them winning from the pocket..
Maybe so, but less and less, the game isn't played that way anymore. I'd also add that i would bet that more qb's have sustained serious injury inside the pocket than outside the pocket. I don't know how one would prove that so it is probably a moot point.
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Well it will matter if Watson gets injured.. Then it will matter.. Hes not even a big dude... He's barely one inch taller than Mayfield.. This isnt a big guy like Steve McNair or Big Ben were talking about here.. I don't like My QB's running all over the place regardless.. I like them winning from the pocket..
Maybe so, but less and less, the game isn't played that way anymore. I'd also add that i would bet that more qb's have sustained serious injury inside the pocket than outside the pocket. I don't know how one would prove that so it is probably a moot point.
Maybe so, but less and less, the game isn't played that way anymore. I'd also add that i would bet that more qb's have sustained serious injury inside the pocket than outside the pocket. I don't know how one would prove that so it is probably a moot point.
I wonder if there are just a lot more pocket passers than scramblers at qb. Don't know...but
Overall, Manning went 4-of-5 for just 21 yards and one touchdown on those attempts. Wilson and Kaepernick combined for 37 out-of-pocket passes, almost one-quarter of their combined 150 attempts. Kaepernick was extremely successful on the move. He completed 12-of-20 attempts for 141 yards and two touchdowns.watching Mahomes play......-
The 3 Types of Quarterbacks I believe that there are three types of quarterbacks. The first is the already mentioned pocket passer. Think of Tom Brady, Bart Starr, Drew Brees, Joe Montana. The second is mobile quarterbacks. They are pass-first QBs, but are athletic enough to run for yards and escape pressure through running.
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Well it will matter if Watson gets injured.. Then it will matter.. Hes not even a big dude... He's barely one inch taller than Mayfield.. This isnt a big guy like Steve McNair or Big Ben were talking about here.. I don't like My QB's running all over the place regardless.. I like them winning from the pocket..
Maybe so, but less and less, the game isn't played that way anymore. I'd also add that i would bet that more qb's have sustained serious injury inside the pocket than outside the pocket. I don't know how one would prove that so it is probably a moot point.
Maybe so, but less and less, the game isn't played that way anymore. I'd also add that i would bet that more qb's have sustained serious injury inside the pocket than outside the pocket. I don't know how one would prove that so it is probably a moot point.
Probably the most famous QB injury ever was Joe Theisman's gruesome leg pretzel on MNF, in the pocket.
I still think to win it all in the NFL, you have to have a QB who can win from the pocket. Doesn't mean that he can't run if need be, but if he can't pass well and read defenses well from the pocket, he will eventually get exposed.
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Maybe so, but less and less, the game isn't played that way anymore. I'd also add that i would bet that more qb's have sustained serious injury inside the pocket than outside the pocket. I don't know how one would prove that so it is probably a moot point.
Probably the most famous QB injury ever was Joe Theisman's gruesome leg pretzel on MNF, in the pocket.
I still think to win it all in the NFL, you have to have a QB who can win from the pocket. Doesn't mean that he can't run if need be, but if he can't pass well and read defenses well from the pocket, he will eventually get exposed.
I still think to win it all in the NFL, you have to have a QB who can win from the pocket. Doesn't mean that he can't run if need be, but if he can't pass well and read defenses well from the pocket, he will eventually get exposed.
John Elway, Steve Young. Tough guys to beat.
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I still think to win it all in the NFL, you have to have a QB who can win from the pocket. Doesn't mean that he can't run if need be, but if he can't pass well and read defenses well from the pocket, he will eventually get exposed.
John Elway, Steve Young. Tough guys to beat.
John Elway, Steve Young. Tough guys to beat.
Guys who could run but could stand in the pocket, read a defense and complete passes.
Once Elway and Young figured that part out, they won Super Bowls.
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Guys who could run but could stand in the pocket, read a defense and complete passes.
Those are the toughest QB's to beat. They read the defense, take the snap and continue to read the D, if their target(s) get open, they fire it, if the internal clock says Time To Go, they run really fast. Bernie had all that stuff right up to the point of taking off and run.
This is what I want from Watson. Play the pocket...but don't die there. Get out, run, get down, get OB or as Sam Rutigliano would say, simply throw it away.
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I still think to win it all in the NFL, you have to have a QB who can win from the pocket. Doesn't mean that he can't run if need be, but if he can't pass well and read defenses well from the pocket, he will eventually get exposed.
John Elway, Steve Young. Tough guys to beat.
John Elway, Steve Young. Tough guys to beat.
They were. They also retired almost 25 years ago. I'd also argue that for the times, those guys were running QB's. That was a huge part of what made them so dynamic.
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They were. They also retired almost 25 years ago. I'd also argue that for the times, those guys were running QB's. That was a huge part of what made them so dynamic.
You would argue?
NO WAY! ?
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