Manziel doc
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I'll post the video if I find it, but I remember a Gruden QB camp episode with Johnny. Now that shit is all softball stuff for entertainment, but there was a play structure A&M used from 2012 and 2013 where Gruden asked why he didn't (if I recall verbatim) "throw the damn under!!"... That's your 2nd season running the same offenses and you haven't improved one bit in the ways you should have to become an NFL QB. That means only 2 things - either you're incapable, or you're unwilling. Either one scratches you off in my book.
That having been said - Whiny, entitled and spoiled daddy's boy that came from Texas oil money who partied so damn hard from his early teens he was able to parlay that into a mental diagnosis somehow and we should give him sympathy. Keep in mind, I was a hooligan kid doing shit 21 year olds do while I was 16. Johnny still puts me to shame, mostly because we grew up without much money and his family was loaded. So instead of weekends in Vegas doing blow, we had to get jobs, do beer math between rolling rock and natty and still bust our ass on the football field.
Zero fucking respect for spoiled rich kids. So fuck him, his parents, everybody who thought he'd be good in the NFL AND the horse he rode in on.
Mike Evans and an NFL loaded Oline should have been given that Heisman.
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Billy Manziel's dad was interviewed before the draft and told the world that his son drank to self-medicate.
We still used a first round pick on him.
Then when it blew up in our faces, we were forced to tank for a few years to get a ton of draft picks, and position ourselves to get a real franchise QB...
Which we swung and missed on, again... so we then gave up a ton of draft picks to get a QB who is an absolute PR nightmare.
The adventure of being a Browns fan never ends! ?
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I'll post the video if I find it, but I remember a Gruden QB camp episode with Johnny. Now that shit is all softball stuff for entertainment, but there was a play structure A&M used from 2012 and 2013 where Gruden asked why he didn't (if I recall verbatim) "throw the damn under!!"... That's your 2nd season running the same offenses and you haven't improved one bit in the ways you should have to become an NFL QB. That means only 2 things - either you're incapable, or you're unwilling. Either one scratches you off in my book.
That having been said - Whiny, entitled and spoiled daddy's boy that came from Texas oil money who partied so damn hard from his early teens he was able to parlay that into a mental diagnosis somehow and we should give him sympathy. Keep in mind, I was a hooligan kid doing shit 21 year olds do while I was 16. Johnny still puts me to shame, mostly because we grew up without much money and his family was loaded. So instead of weekends in Vegas doing blow, we had to get jobs, do beer math between rolling rock and natty and still bust our ass on the football field.
Zero fucking respect for spoiled rich kids. So fuck him, his parents, everybody who thought he'd be good in the NFL AND the horse he rode in on.
Mike Evans and an NFL loaded Oline should have been given that Heisman.
Zero fucking respect for spoiled rich kids. So fuck him, his parents, everybody who thought he'd be good in the NFL AND the horse he rode in on.
Mike Evans and an NFL loaded Oline should have been given that Heisman.
Yeah but daddy made him drive a second hand Mercedes on campus?. You know, a hand me down like we used to wear as kids. LOL!
Evans was great because they both red-shirted together and terrorized the starting team playing "scout team". That gave them both a chance to develop that connection since Evans was new to football coming from basketball. But if you watched his games, Evans was not the only one he was able to find downfield, just the most spectacular when he did.
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Zero fucking respect for spoiled rich kids. So fuck him, his parents, everybody who thought he'd be good in the NFL AND the horse he rode in on.
Mike Evans and an NFL loaded Oline should have been given that Heisman.
Yeah but daddy made him drive a second hand Mercedes on campus?. You know, a hand me down like we used to wear as kids. LOL!
Evans was great because they both red-shirted together and terrorized the starting team playing "scout team". That gave them both a chance to develop that connection since Evans was new to football coming from basketball. But if you watched his games, Evans was not the only one he was able to find downfield, just the most spectacular when he did.
Yeah but daddy made him drive a second hand Mercedes on campus?. You know, a hand me down like we used to wear as kids. LOL!
Evans was great because they both red-shirted together and terrorized the starting team playing "scout team". That gave them both a chance to develop that connection since Evans was new to football coming from basketball. But if you watched his games, Evans was not the only one he was able to find downfield, just the most spectacular when he did.
Mike Evans' backstory is kind of crazy...
His father was abusive towards his mother, and his mother's brother (Mike's uncle) ended up shooting and killing his father.
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I lived it........and don't wanna re-live it.
This ^^^
Hoyer & McCown could still out play this 4 season QB ?'show
2014 Brian Hoyer (13) / Johnny Manziel (2) / Connor Shaw (1) 2015 Josh McCown (8) / Johnny Manziel (6) / Austin Davis (2) 2016 Cody Kessler (8) / Robert Griffin III (5) / Josh McCown (3) 2017 DeShone Kizer (15) / Kevin Hogan (1) -
Zero fucking respect for spoiled rich kids. So fuck him, his parents, everybody who thought he'd be good in the NFL AND the horse he rode in on.
Mike Evans and an NFL loaded Oline should have been given that Heisman.
Yeah but daddy made him drive a second hand Mercedes on campus?. You know, a hand me down like we used to wear as kids. LOL!
Evans was great because they both red-shirted together and terrorized the starting team playing "scout team". That gave them both a chance to develop that connection since Evans was new to football coming from basketball. But if you watched his games, Evans was not the only one he was able to find downfield, just the most spectacular when he did.
But if you watched his games
Watched Every. Single. Game.
Including all the ones from 2012 where he went 1-2 against top 25 defenses.
And in 2013 where he went 0-2 against top 25, and split the difference 1-1 against top 50.
I said what I said. Good day, sir.
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But if you watched his games
Watched Every. Single. Game.
Including all the ones from 2012 where he went 1-2 against top 25 defenses.
And in 2013 where he went 0-2 against top 25, and split the difference 1-1 against top 50.
I said what I said. Good day, sir.
Watched Every. Single. Game.
Including all the ones from 2012 where he went 1-2 against top 25 defenses.
And in 2013 where he went 0-2 against top 25, and split the difference 1-1 against top 50.
I said what I said. Good day, sir.
OK, but you are discounting several other receivers in the process. Yep, I agree Evans was and is a great one. JFF smartly counted on his ability to go up like a basketball strong forward and high point the ball away from often times multiple defenders. But Swope was the key receiver along with Kennedy in the win over Bama, that top 25 defense you credit as his only win over one of them.
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Interest in this show is zero.
A simple case of the passion for having fun and partying greatly out shadowed any passion for the love of playing the game of football and dedicating oneself to the craft of playing QB with no sight of growing up. Reminds you of Ryan Leaf who would actually have a more interesting untold story….and he’s on his third chance.
And Mike Evans was and still is one of the most underrated football players today.
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Watched Every. Single. Game.
Including all the ones from 2012 where he went 1-2 against top 25 defenses.
And in 2013 where he went 0-2 against top 25, and split the difference 1-1 against top 50.
I said what I said. Good day, sir.
OK, but you are discounting several other receivers in the process. Yep, I agree Evans was and is a great one. JFF smartly counted on his ability to go up like a basketball strong forward and high point the ball away from often times multiple defenders. But Swope was the key receiver along with Kennedy in the win over Bama, that top 25 defense you credit as his only win over one of them.
OK, but you are discounting several other receivers in the process. Yep, I agree Evans was and is a great one. JFF smartly counted on his ability to go up like a basketball strong forward and high point the ball away from often times multiple defenders. But Swope was the key receiver along with Kennedy in the win over Bama, that top 25 defense you credit as his only win over one of them.
That's true Aggies. Ryan Swope was a really good WR at A&M. As a junior he had 89 receptions for 1207 yards and 11 TDs. During Swope's senior year it decreased to 72 receptions for 913 yards and 8 TDs; because Freshman Mike Evans took on a big load with 82 receptions for 1105 yards and 5 TDs. Not bad at all! 1 year later, the 6'0" 205lb WR prospect ran a 4.34 at the Indy Combine. This kid probably would have been a very productive NFL WR if his volume of concussions at TAMU (4) didn't force him to retire as an NFL Rookie.
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Interest in this show is zero.
A simple case of the passion for having fun and partying greatly out shadowed any passion for the love of playing the game of football and dedicating oneself to the craft of playing QB with no sight of growing up. Reminds you of Ryan Leaf who would actually have a more interesting untold story….and he’s on his third chance.
And Mike Evans was and still is one of the most underrated football players today.
And Mike Evans was and still is one of the most underrated football players today.
Recent agreement (June 21, 2023) with your point.
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Watched Every. Single. Game.
Including all the ones from 2012 where he went 1-2 against top 25 defenses.
And in 2013 where he went 0-2 against top 25, and split the difference 1-1 against top 50.
I said what I said. Good day, sir.
OK, but you are discounting several other receivers in the process. Yep, I agree Evans was and is a great one. JFF smartly counted on his ability to go up like a basketball strong forward and high point the ball away from often times multiple defenders. But Swope was the key receiver along with Kennedy in the win over Bama, that top 25 defense you credit as his only win over one of them.
OK, but you are discounting several other receivers in the process. Yep, I agree Evans was and is a great one. JFF smartly counted on his ability to go up like a basketball strong forward and high point the ball away from often times multiple defenders. But Swope was the key receiver along with Kennedy in the win over Bama, that top 25 defense you credit as his only win over one of them.
Going to use this reply as a bookmark because I've been so damn busy and I don't want to forget. But I have volumes of information just running through my head that I need to put screenshots to. Stuff ranging from how Sumlin structures his offense in the running game, to how an X like Evans makes all of that tick and designs that Swope was used on against Bama. I remember watching not only that game, but the SEC opener against Florida.
I also remember, apart from a broken play, that the majority of Swopes catches were on bubbles against overhang defenders for VERY short yardage, basically an extension of the running game.
Fear not, I shall return.
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OK, but you are discounting several other receivers in the process. Yep, I agree Evans was and is a great one. JFF smartly counted on his ability to go up like a basketball strong forward and high point the ball away from often times multiple defenders. But Swope was the key receiver along with Kennedy in the win over Bama, that top 25 defense you credit as his only win over one of them.
Going to use this reply as a bookmark because I've been so damn busy and I don't want to forget. But I have volumes of information just running through my head that I need to put screenshots to. Stuff ranging from how Sumlin structures his offense in the running game, to how an X like Evans makes all of that tick and designs that Swope was used on against Bama. I remember watching not only that game, but the SEC opener against Florida.
I also remember, apart from a broken play, that the majority of Swopes catches were on bubbles against overhang defenders for VERY short yardage, basically an extension of the running game.
Fear not, I shall return.
Going to use this reply as a bookmark because I've been so damn busy and I don't want to forget. But I have volumes of information just running through my head that I need to put screenshots to. Stuff ranging from how Sumlin structures his offense in the running game, to how an X like Evans makes all of that tick and designs that Swope was used on against Bama. I remember watching not only that game, but the SEC opener against Florida.
I also remember, apart from a broken play, that the majority of Swopes catches were on bubbles against overhang defenders for VERY short yardage, basically an extension of the running game.
Fear not, I shall return.
Here's what I saw that day when #25 Ryan Swope was the only A&M Receiver downfield that jumped off the screen at me. Yes, the TD in the 1st quarter is from a broken play (but that's not exactly a negative). Just click on the link below and the quick video shows Swope was making more catches downfield than you gave him credit for (check the 2nd half in particular). WARNING: a few times it looks like the video is ending but it continues and gives you the opportunity to click skip ads to get right back to the game. I think this cut out 1 nice seam route reception by Swope on the right hash in the 3rd quarter that you can see if you go to youtube directly (where it doesn't chop up the video and remove parts like the link seemed to).
1 guy from that game we're pretty happy about today is Amari Cooper. He also makes some nice catches inclusive of a long TD reception in this game. I don't think you'll find ANY of us will disagree that Manziel was a horrible pick. Unfortunately, my last 2 brain cells were in a "War of the Roses" conflict with the pre-draft wisdom on Manziel.
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That Heisman year he set the SEC all-time running/passing yardage mark and showed the Sooners & the Stoops brothers how it all worked.?
Yeah, but that didn't work too well in the NFL...where half the defense was as fast if not faster than he was. He was a spoiled little boy playing a man's game in the NFL.
Yeah, but that didn't work too well in the NFL...where half the defense was as fast if not faster than he was. He was a spoiled little boy playing a man's game in the NFL.
Maybe so, but he was still good in college..
His problem is he never took things seriously. Johnny is always going to be a frat boy. He made a lot of money. His family has a lot of money, so he can afford to be a frat boy all his life. I am sure a lot of us would have opted for that route if it was possible.
To another comment, I agree, that Netflix QB special isn't that special.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
Yeah, but that didn't work too well in the NFL...where half the defense was as fast if not faster than he was. He was a spoiled little boy playing a man's game in the NFL.
Maybe so, but he was still good in college..
His problem is he never took things seriously. Johnny is always going to be a frat boy. He made a lot of money. His family has a lot of money, so he can afford to be a frat boy all his life. I am sure a lot of us would have opted for that route if it was possible.
To another comment, I agree, that Netflix QB special isn't that special.
Maybe so, but he was still good in college..
His problem is he never took things seriously. Johnny is always going to be a frat boy. He made a lot of money. His family has a lot of money, so he can afford to be a frat boy all his life. I am sure a lot of us would have opted for that route if it was possible.
To another comment, I agree, that Netflix QB special isn't that special.
yse, he was. He had a great cast around him, and he made things happen. In the military and college - I knew kids that weren't ready to be on their own. No principles, no moral guide - a few here and there were just self-destructive - that was J.M. - I don't like remembering him again. lol
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Maybe so, but he was still good in college..
His problem is he never took things seriously. Johnny is always going to be a frat boy. He made a lot of money. His family has a lot of money, so he can afford to be a frat boy all his life. I am sure a lot of us would have opted for that route if it was possible.
To another comment, I agree, that Netflix QB special isn't that special.
yse, he was. He had a great cast around him, and he made things happen. In the military and college - I knew kids that weren't ready to be on their own. No principles, no moral guide - a few here and there were just self-destructive - that was J.M. - I don't like remembering him again. lol
yse, he was. He had a great cast around him, and he made things happen. In the military and college - I knew kids that weren't ready to be on their own. No principles, no moral guide - a few here and there were just self-destructive - that was J.M. - I don't like remembering him again. lol
Still trying to have amnesia on that pick... Jesus!
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Yeah, but that didn't work too well in the NFL...where half the defense was as fast if not faster than he was. He was a spoiled little boy playing a man's game in the NFL.
Maybe so, but he was still good in college..
His problem is he never took things seriously. Johnny is always going to be a frat boy. He made a lot of money. His family has a lot of money, so he can afford to be a frat boy all his life. I am sure a lot of us would have opted for that route if it was possible.
To another comment, I agree, that Netflix QB special isn't that special.
but he was still good in college..
That and a quarter will get ya a phone call.
He was a Fran Tarkenton in college. And with the athletes we have on modern NFL defenses Fran wouldn't realize the same success today. Unless he stayed in college his whole career. That's what I think anyway.
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Well, the one thing everyone is shaking their head at now that the documentary is out is, shock, he spent zero time watching film. Apparently it got dark as well.
If nothing else, the documentary might get some publicity for the new bar he is opening in College Station. -
I lied. I watched it.
His Dad is a misguided turd. Blaming his coaches for their lack of guidance with Johnny and his behavior. Not making an excuse but He didn’t have a shot.
And The Browns workout….what a clown show…no WRs and his lawyer and agent running routes!!! His agent got him paid.
Let me add…grandfather cleaning money for him in college…just wow
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I lied. I watched it.
His Dad is a misguided turd. Blaming his coaches for their lack of guidance with Johnny and his behavior. Not making an excuse but He didn’t have a shot.
And The Browns workout….what a clown show…no WRs and his lawyer and agent running routes!!! His agent got him paid.
Let me add…grandfather cleaning money for him in college…just wow
I lied. I watched it.
His Dad is a misguided turd. Blaming his coaches for their lack of guidance with Johnny and his behavior. Not making an excuse but He didn’t have a shot.
And The Browns workout….what a clown show…no WRs and his lawyer and agent running routes!!! His agent got him paid.
Let me add…grandfather cleaning money for him in college…just wow
Didn't bother watching... An utter embarrassment... He can drown in a vat of shit as far as I'm concerned...
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Well, the one thing everyone is shaking their head at now that the documentary is out is, shock, he spent zero time watching film. Apparently it got dark as well.
If nothing else, the documentary might get some publicity for the new bar he is opening in College Station.Well, the one thing everyone is shaking there head at now that the documentary is out is, shock, he spent zero time watching film. Apparently it got dark as well.
If nothing else, the documentary might get some publicity for the new bar he is opening in College Station.And NO ONE saw this coming? I don't know whats scarier, the fact that we drafted him, or everyone in the Browns organization never saw this coming!
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