Flight Delayed After Browns Trash Plane Leaving Greenbrier...
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What exactly is the proof the Browns did anything? Third-hand gossip? How does anyone know that one of the dudes doesn't have beef with the Browns and is therefore just looking to start random rumors?
United, the training organization for American and Delta because friends don't let friends layover in Newark, took off.. 36 minutes late? That's also every midday Tuesday flight from a vaguely busy airport.. aka anything not in Ohio.
Pro sports teams throw things in an airplane all the time. So the actual question should be -- not "did anything happen" but rather "was what happened, if anything, more than what should be expected if a sports team is going to throw stuff in an airplane". And just to be clear... taking 36 minutes to clean is nothing. Wake me when the party includes an armrest or a seat cushion torn off.
Here's a fun first-hand story about United: First time i flew to the Dad's house in columbus to introduce my now wife, we got stranded in Newark for 12 hours because they just cancelled the original connection and didn't replace it. Yes, United does do this shit.. and attempts to blame their lack of staffing and poor maintenance planning on someone/anyone they can.
Is it possible Cleveland did something? Of course. But it's also more probable that United didn't staff high enough at the location they attempted to turn that airliner from charter back to commercial AND the browns did exactly nothing... and thus the delay is purely from United's attempt to save on staff $ by asking 2 already overworked maintenance staff to do the work of 5.
What exactly is the proof the Browns did anything?
Is it possible Cleveland did something? Of course. But it's also more probable that United didn't staff high enough at the location they attempted to turn that airliner from charter back to commercial AND the browns did exactly nothing... and thus the delay is purely from United's attempt to save on staff $.
I am just going by the article.
Your 2nd point doesn't matter. Our guys need to act professional and leave things clean. I agree with Nick to an extent. Were coaches on the flight or did they fly another private jet with the owners? It seems to me someone needed to take control of the cub scouts and act as den mother.
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What exactly is the proof the Browns did anything?
Is it possible Cleveland did something? Of course. But it's also more probable that United didn't staff high enough at the location they attempted to turn that airliner from charter back to commercial AND the browns did exactly nothing... and thus the delay is purely from United's attempt to save on staff $.
I am just going by the article.
Your 2nd point doesn't matter. Our guys need to act professional and leave things clean. I agree with Nick to an extent. Were coaches on the flight or did they fly another private jet with the owners? It seems to me someone needed to take control of the cub scouts and act as den mother.
Show me the photos, show me the Things that were wildly different than anything done on a normal commercial flight.
Our guys need to act professional and leave things clean.
Of course! But the thing is.. there's zero proof other than some random dude's words that anything actually happened. What's the proof that the guy who started this isn't a United apologist? Is he getting free united points for inventing fake scandals? That's like selling fake yahoo/google 5-star restaurant ratings, etc. Everyone's got an angle.
The concept is that all planes need a set amount of time to be cleaned -- it's never zero minutes even when "nothing" has happened on a plane. This lie doesn't even need to be intentionally predetermined to be malicious -- it could just be "Hey, let's try to cover for this delayed departure.. come up with something, guy running website, we'll see if it gets traction" It could be that the cleaning crew was staffed correctly but wasn't told the jet had arrived until it had been sitting for 20 minutes already.. and the room where they waited for the plane to arrive was a 10 minute walk from the gate where the plane was located.
And... even IF this plane was actually done wrong by Browns, they had 12-odd hours to arrange a cleaning crew. That plane [to be clear: EVERY plane] should have been inspected the minute Browns are fully off.. and if there's a concern you call ahead and arrange a crew to meet it at XYZ location to do whatever extra scrubbing is needed. They did NOTHING for the first 9 hours.. and only then tried to scramble likely without the available staff. That process fail and therefore the delay for the commercial passengers.. is entirely United's fault, not Cleveland's.
If United across the entire country is staffing so tightly that they have zero capacity [labor hours paid for cleaning staff are cleaning capacity] to clean a spilled drink, the resultant delays are United's fault.
This entire story really is the very purest of fact-free gossip.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
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Show me the photos, show me the Things that were wildly different than anything done on a normal commercial flight.
Our guys need to act professional and leave things clean.
Of course! But the thing is.. there's zero proof other than some random dude's words that anything actually happened. What's the proof that the guy who started this isn't a United apologist? Is he getting free united points for inventing fake scandals? That's like selling fake yahoo/google 5-star restaurant ratings, etc. Everyone's got an angle.
The concept is that all planes need a set amount of time to be cleaned -- it's never zero minutes even when "nothing" has happened on a plane. This lie doesn't even need to be intentionally predetermined to be malicious -- it could just be "Hey, let's try to cover for this delayed departure.. come up with something, guy running website, we'll see if it gets traction" It could be that the cleaning crew was staffed correctly but wasn't told the jet had arrived until it had been sitting for 20 minutes already.. and the room where they waited for the plane to arrive was a 10 minute walk from the gate where the plane was located.
And... even IF this plane was actually done wrong by Browns, they had 12-odd hours to arrange a cleaning crew. That plane [to be clear: EVERY plane] should have been inspected the minute Browns are fully off.. and if there's a concern you call ahead and arrange a crew to meet it at XYZ location to do whatever extra scrubbing is needed. They did NOTHING for the first 9 hours.. and only then tried to scramble likely without the available staff. That process fail and therefore the delay for the commercial passengers.. is entirely United's fault, not Cleveland's.
If United across the entire country is staffing so tightly that they have zero capacity [labor hours paid for cleaning staff are cleaning capacity] to clean a spilled drink, the resultant delays are United's fault.
This entire story really is the very purest of fact-free gossip.
We could go on and on.
We can leave it that if it is true, my comments stand. If it isn't, it's a non issue.
I don't buy the staffing issue you present. The cabin crew is responsible for a planes turn around. There may be someone on ground who helps to remove trash, but you don't have a team of deep cleaners who enter after every flight.
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We could go on and on.
We can leave it that if it is true, my comments stand. If it isn't, it's a non issue.
I don't buy the staffing issue you present. The cabin crew is responsible for a planes turn around. There may be someone on ground who helps to remove trash, but you don't have a team of deep cleaners who enter after every flight.
We could go on and on.
We can leave it that if it is true, my comments stand. If it isn't, it's a non issue.
I don't buy the staffing issue you present. The cabin crew is responsible for a planes turn around. There may be someone on ground who helps to remove trash, but you don't have a team of deep cleaners who enter after every flight.
It's usually the two or 3 stewardesses that clean/maintain the plane cabins on each flight if I'm not mistaken... Like you said its not a large team of people...
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The interesting thing about this, that no one has brought up, is how short of a flight that had to be. I can't imagine it wasn't much longer than the couple Daytona Beach to Atlanta flights I was on.
I have no idea how Antifa snuck on the plane, totally trashed it to make our Browns look bad, then snuck off the plane so quickly. They are good. -
Cleanliness/order/organization is all relative. I need to see photos.
I’ve had up and down flights to Vegas from SD where there is no drink service and no final run through the plane to pick up trash before landing. You can imagine some folks bring stuff on the plane (maybe lots of consumable goods and they don’t always carry it off with them). You hope travelers are considerate and you also hope stewards/stewardess are making accommodations to keep things tidy as well. Maybe one was not at play here. Maybe we have some slobs.
The airlines are extremely short staffed: support staff (flights being cancelled because of this), pilots too they raised the age to 67- used to be 65 and they took you to the glue factory. All this does is put pressure on folks to do more - makes the cranky.
At first blush, just for Men Kevin looks like a guy that picks up his trash and others trash. Hard to judge beyond that.
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Sadder still, this news takes away from the attention on Joe Thomas going into the HALL OF FAME a bit, with the media.
Whatever - it wasn't the whole team - but yeah, Stefanski doesn't lead this team - he isn't a leader. I thought I lost all respect for him last year...now it's even less.
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it's pretty easy to call out bullshit when i see it.especially when i am dealing with all the special needs characters on this board
Yeah and alcohol is your special need... Drink up Otis!
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Yeah and alcohol is your special need... Drink up Otis!
oh so you admit you are special needs. acceptance is the first step to recovery.you know i bet they have some sort of class's for that.get the help you need nickers.were worried about you
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Show me the photos, show me the Things that were wildly different than anything done on a normal commercial flight.
Our guys need to act professional and leave things clean.
Of course! But the thing is.. there's zero proof other than some random dude's words that anything actually happened. What's the proof that the guy who started this isn't a United apologist? Is he getting free united points for inventing fake scandals? That's like selling fake yahoo/google 5-star restaurant ratings, etc. Everyone's got an angle.
The concept is that all planes need a set amount of time to be cleaned -- it's never zero minutes even when "nothing" has happened on a plane. This lie doesn't even need to be intentionally predetermined to be malicious -- it could just be "Hey, let's try to cover for this delayed departure.. come up with something, guy running website, we'll see if it gets traction" It could be that the cleaning crew was staffed correctly but wasn't told the jet had arrived until it had been sitting for 20 minutes already.. and the room where they waited for the plane to arrive was a 10 minute walk from the gate where the plane was located.
And... even IF this plane was actually done wrong by Browns, they had 12-odd hours to arrange a cleaning crew. That plane [to be clear: EVERY plane] should have been inspected the minute Browns are fully off.. and if there's a concern you call ahead and arrange a crew to meet it at XYZ location to do whatever extra scrubbing is needed. They did NOTHING for the first 9 hours.. and only then tried to scramble likely without the available staff. That process fail and therefore the delay for the commercial passengers.. is entirely United's fault, not Cleveland's.
If United across the entire country is staffing so tightly that they have zero capacity [labor hours paid for cleaning staff are cleaning capacity] to clean a spilled drink, the resultant delays are United's fault.
This entire story really is the very purest of fact-free gossip.
Show me the photos, show me the Things that were wildly different than anything done on a normal commercial flight.
Of course! But the thing is.. there's zero proof other than some random dude's words that anything actually happened. What's the proof that the guy who started this isn't a United apologist? Is he getting free united points for inventing fake scandals? That's like selling fake yahoo/google 5-star restaurant ratings, etc. Everyone's got an angle.
The concept is that all planes need a set amount of time to be cleaned -- it's never zero minutes even when "nothing" has happened on a plane. This lie doesn't even need to be intentionally predetermined to be malicious -- it could just be "Hey, let's try to cover for this delayed departure.. come up with something, guy running website, we'll see if it gets traction" It could be that the cleaning crew was staffed correctly but wasn't told the jet had arrived until it had been sitting for 20 minutes already.. and the room where they waited for the plane to arrive was a 10 minute walk from the gate where the plane was located.
And... even IF this plane was actually done wrong by Browns, they had 12-odd hours to arrange a cleaning crew. That plane [to be clear: EVERY plane] should have been inspected the minute Browns are fully off.. and if there's a concern you call ahead and arrange a crew to meet it at XYZ location to do whatever extra scrubbing is needed. They did NOTHING for the first 9 hours.. and only then tried to scramble likely without the available staff. That process fail and therefore the delay for the commercial passengers.. is entirely United's fault, not Cleveland's.
If United across the entire country is staffing so tightly that they have zero capacity [labor hours paid for cleaning staff are cleaning capacity] to clean a spilled drink, the resultant delays are United's fault.
This entire story really is the very purest of fact-free gossip.
[ Show me the photos, show me the Things that were wildly different than anything done on a normal commercial flight. ]
Well I don't think there will be a FEDERAL INVESTIGATION on this "pigs in space" matter in fact I'm going along with ballpeen and others here ...... This was in the UA Flight talk internal paper ..... that's it. Maybe someone has a secret vendetta against the Cleveland BROWNS but I doubt that.
File this under more bad PR for Cleveland. EOM for me.
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oh so you admit you are special needs. acceptance is the first step to recovery.you know i bet they have some sort of class's for that.get the help you need nickers.were worried about you
Grow up Jr.
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i was talking to your hot ass mom the other day , she said that you had misplaced your helmet again on the way to your way to your class's,now nickers we have talked to you about not leaving the house without your helmet
Thats it!... You had to bring my mother into this.. Fuck you, You can sit along side dutch fag in my iggy bin you fucking asshole...
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i was talking to your hot ass mom the other day , she said that you had misplaced your helmet again on the way to your way to your class's,now nickers we have talked to you about not leaving the house without your helmet
Thats it!... You had to bring my mother into this.. Fuck you, You can sit along side dutch fag in my iggy bin you fucking asshole...
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~ OK boys get it out of your systems and go back to your corners. Even though this is kind of a "pigs in space" foolishness .... possibly by some of our favorite football players is just childish. Or not, we'll see if there are anything comes of it.
Hey there is another game next week to get jacked up about. Preseason game 2 baby ! lol.
Here's when all four preseason games are set to kick off:
Date Opponent Time Tickets Aug. 3 W 21 - 16 Jets Thu. 8 p.m. Aug. 11 Commanders Fri. 7:30 p.m. Aug. 17 at Eagles Thu 7:30 p.m. Aug. 26 at Chiefs Sat. 1 p.m. -
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