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  • Well  #21   Eric  Metcalf  also known as   #21  Mr Excitement   with the ball in his hands.  No doubt he was a good choice wearing the number  21 and 47 games played in a BROWNS uniform   but  there were a few good  Honorable Mentions in this number  21  category. 

    Dutch did go over Eric Metcalf's numbers in his exciting Cleveland BROWNS career ..... however  there are a few others who deserve some mention here.   With  31  games through the  2023 and still counting  there's  Mr Denzel Ward .  And his All  OH-IO  credentials  he could tie or surpass Eric Metcalf this year. 

    ▪︎  Denzel Ward  (The Warden)   ◆ Position: CB.  5-11, 190lb (180cm, 86kg)   Team: Cleveland Browns.  Born: April 28, 1997 in  ★ Macedonia, OH (Age: 26-114d)   College: Ohio St.  (College Stats)  High School: Nordonia (OH) 

    ★  Draft: Cleveland Browns in the 1st round (4th overall) of the 2018 NFL Draft. ★  A future star player !  ★  

    Denzel  has 13 INTs. 2 TDs. 99 yards long.  Do remember he negates the other team's best receiver.  His numbers :

      Games Def Interceptions Fumbles   Tackles      
    Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int
    ▼
    Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV Awards
    Career       66 65 13 190 2 99 65 2 0 5 33 2 0.5 239 193 46 9 5   31  
    2018* 21 CLE LCB 21 13 12 3 26 0 26 11 1 0 2 29 0 0.0 53 41 12 5 0   8 PB
    2021* 24 CLE LCB 21 15 15 3 103 1 99 10 0 0 0 0 0 0.5 43 34 9 1 2   8 PB
    2022 25 CLE CB 21 14 14 3 0 0 0 15 0 0 2 4 2 0.0 53 42 11 1 1   6  
    2019 22 CLE LCB 21 12 12 2 61 1 61 11 0 0 1 0 0 0.0 44 38 6 1 1   5  
    2020 23 CLE LCB 21 12 12 2 0 0 0 18 1 0 0 0 0 0.0 46 38 8 1 1   4  

    ●  Also  close could be Earnest Byner (who switched to 44),  Brodney Pool 71 and 11 INT and a few others  not noteworthy. 

    ★  But Denzel Ward is a good  second choice. 

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    sydS syd wrote on last edited by

    @mjp28 said:

    Well  #21   Eric  Metcalf  also known as   #21  Mr Excitement   with the ball in his hands.  No doubt he was a good choice wearing the number  21 and 47 games played in a BROWNS uniform   but  there were a few good  Honorable Mentions in this number  21  category. 

    Dutch did go over Eric Metcalf's numbers in his exciting Cleveland BROWNS career ..... however  there are a few others who deserve some mention here.   With  31  games through the  2023 and still counting  there's  Mr Denzel Ward .  And his All  OH-IO  credentials  he could tie or surpass Eric Metcalf this year. 

    ▪︎  Denzel Ward  (The Warden)   ◆ Position: CB.  5-11, 190lb (180cm, 86kg)   Team: Cleveland Browns.  Born: April 28, 1997 in  ★ Macedonia, OH (Age: 26-114d)   College: Ohio St.  (College Stats)  High School: Nordonia (OH) 

    ★  Draft: Cleveland Browns in the 1st round (4th overall) of the 2018 NFL Draft. ★  A future star player !  ★  

    Denzel  has 13 INTs. 2 TDs. 99 yards long.  Do remember he negates the other team's best receiver.  His numbers :

      Games Def Interceptions Fumbles   Tackles      
    Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int
    ▼
    Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV Awards
    Career       66 65 13 190 2 99 65 2 0 5 33 2 0.5 239 193 46 9 5   31  
    2018* 21 CLE LCB 21 13 12 3 26 0 26 11 1 0 2 29 0 0.0 53 41 12 5 0   8 PB
    2021* 24 CLE LCB 21 15 15 3 103 1 99 10 0 0 0 0 0 0.5 43 34 9 1 2   8 PB
    2022 25 CLE CB 21 14 14 3 0 0 0 15 0 0 2 4 2 0.0 53 42 11 1 1   6  
    2019 22 CLE LCB 21 12 12 2 61 1 61 11 0 0 1 0 0 0.0 44 38 6 1 1   5  
    2020 23 CLE LCB 21 12 12 2 0 0 0 18 1 0 0 0 0 0.0 46 38 8 1 1   4  

    ●  Also  close could be Earnest Byner (who switched to 44),  Bradley Pool 71 and 11 INT and a few others  not noteworthy. 

    ★  But Denzel Ward is a good  second choice. 

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    let's just hope they do not put him in the slot this year

  • Well  #21   Eric  Metcalf  also known as   #21  Mr Excitement   with the ball in his hands.  No doubt he was a good choice wearing the number  21 and 47 games played in a BROWNS uniform   but  there were a few good  Honorable Mentions in this number  21  category. 

    Dutch did go over Eric Metcalf's numbers in his exciting Cleveland BROWNS career ..... however  there are a few others who deserve some mention here.   With  31  games through the  2023 and still counting  there's  Mr Denzel Ward .  And his All  OH-IO  credentials  he could tie or surpass Eric Metcalf this year. 

    ▪︎  Denzel Ward  (The Warden)   ◆ Position: CB.  5-11, 190lb (180cm, 86kg)   Team: Cleveland Browns.  Born: April 28, 1997 in  ★ Macedonia, OH (Age: 26-114d)   College: Ohio St.  (College Stats)  High School: Nordonia (OH) 

    ★  Draft: Cleveland Browns in the 1st round (4th overall) of the 2018 NFL Draft. ★  A future star player !  ★  

    Denzel  has 13 INTs. 2 TDs. 99 yards long.  Do remember he negates the other team's best receiver.  His numbers :

      Games Def Interceptions Fumbles   Tackles      
    Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int
    ▼
    Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV Awards
    Career       66 65 13 190 2 99 65 2 0 5 33 2 0.5 239 193 46 9 5   31  
    2018* 21 CLE LCB 21 13 12 3 26 0 26 11 1 0 2 29 0 0.0 53 41 12 5 0   8 PB
    2021* 24 CLE LCB 21 15 15 3 103 1 99 10 0 0 0 0 0 0.5 43 34 9 1 2   8 PB
    2022 25 CLE CB 21 14 14 3 0 0 0 15 0 0 2 4 2 0.0 53 42 11 1 1   6  
    2019 22 CLE LCB 21 12 12 2 61 1 61 11 0 0 1 0 0 0.0 44 38 6 1 1   5  
    2020 23 CLE LCB 21 12 12 2 0 0 0 18 1 0 0 0 0 0.0 46 38 8 1 1   4  

    ●  Also  close could be Earnest Byner (who switched to 44),  Brodney Pool 71 and 11 INT and a few others  not noteworthy. 

    ★  But Denzel Ward is a good  second choice. 

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    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by Dutch Oven

    @mjp28 said:

    Well  #21   Eric  Metcalf  also known as   #21  Mr Excitement   with the ball in his hands.  No doubt he was a good choice wearing the number  21 and 47 games played in a BROWNS uniform   but  there were a few good  Honorable Mentions in this number  21  category 

    Metcalf technically started 47 games for the Browns, but he played in 88 games for Cleveland. Since he was kind of a hybrid player, he technically wasn't the starting "tailback" I guess. 

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by mjp28

    Well we've broken the three week mark, and are at Ross Fichtner days until the start of the 2023 Cleveland Browns season. Fichtner played on both sides of the ball at Purdue, he shared duties as the Boilermakers QB right after Len Dawson, and also played cornerback.

    He was a 3rd round pick of the Browns in 1960 (and a second round pick of the AFL Buffalo Bills) who started in the NFL as a cornerback, then moved to free safety, and eventually became the Browns strong safety. He was the Browns starting free safety in the 1964 NFL Championship, and played in Cleveland through the 1967 season.

    He would finish his career in 1968 with the New Orleans Saints, finishing his career with 27 interceptions. His son was a longtime Steelers assistant coach, coaching in Pittsburgh from 2007-2020, the last three as their Offensive Coordinator. Ross passed away in 2022. 

    ross fichtner.jpeg

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by

    In the long history of the Browns, there haven't been too many players more beloved than our man of the day... We are now at Bernie Kosar days until the 2023 Cleveland Browns season. Kosar grew up in Boardman, and won a national championship at the University of Miami in 1983. He graduated early and entered the 1985 supplemental draft instead of the traditional draft because the Browns had obtained Buffalo's #1 pick by trading away two first rounders, a third and a sixth. Kosar would become the Browns starting quarterback in his rookie season after a season-ending injury to Gary Danielson, and would help lead the Browns to an AFC Central title, and a close loss to Miami in the playoffs.

    The Browns would transition from a run-first team in '85 to a prolific, balanced offense in Kosar's second season, with help of offensive coordinator Lindy Infante. Kosar would lead the Browns to back-to-back AFC Championship Game appearances, but would end of just short of the Super Bowl with two heartbreaking losses to Denver. He lead the AFC in QB rating in 1987. Bernie would miss most of the 1988 season with injuries, and would return in 1989 to throw for 3533 yards, but once again the Browns would lose to Denver in the AFC Championship Game. 

    Between 1990-1993, Kosar would battle injuries and the Browns were in a rebuilding era, as the mid-to-late 80s teams started to age quickly, specifically the OLine. Bill Belichick would cut Kosar during the 1993 season, and his days as a starting QB were effectively done. He'd finish the season in Dallas (picking up a Super Bowl ring as backup to Troy Aikman), then spend his last three seasons in Miami as a backup. For his career, Kosar threw for 23,301 yards, 124 touchdowns and 87 interceptions. 

    bernie kosar .jpeg

  • sydS syd wrote on last edited by

     i believe it was the week after Bernie was let go. and i  was on the 50 yard line center(seahawks game) and rode belichek for most of the game. and yes he was nice enough to turn around and acknowledge my boorish behavior

    Love Ya Bernie

  • sydS syd

     i believe it was the week after Bernie was let go. and i  was on the 50 yard line center(seahawks game) and rode belichek for most of the game. and yes he was nice enough to turn around and acknowledge my boorish behavior

    Love Ya Bernie

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by

    @syd said:

     i believe it was the week after Bernie was let go. and i  was on the 50 yard line center(seahawks game) and rode belichek for most of the game. and yes he was nice enough to turn around and acknowledge my boorish behavior

    Love Ya Bernie

    The infamous Todd Philcox game in Seattle. 

    Belichick wasn't well-liked here, specifically for this move, but sadly he was right about Kosar. By his fifth or sixth season, he was already in decline. By the time Bill cut him, his days as a starter were done. He was only 29. 

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by Dutch Oven

    Good morning lads! Allow me to blow your minds with this tasty trivia tidbit, for today I will inform you (or remind you) that once, the Browns had a QB with a truly fantastic name. Yes, boys, we are Dick Shiner days until the start of the 2023 Cleveland Browns season! Shiner was a 1964 seventh round pick of Washington who played sparingly for the Redskins for three seasons behind started Sonny Jurgenson.

    He then came to your Cleveland Browns in 1967, and Dick backed up Frank Ryan. In his one glorious season for the Browns, the ol' Pud Polisher was 3 for 9 for 34 yards, no touchdowns and 1 interception. Shiner would then be involved in the trade to Pittsburgh that netted the Browns QB Bill Nelsen, who would replace Ryan. Shiner started nine games in 1969 for the Steelers, Chuck Noll's first season in Pittsburgh as head coach.

    He was traded to the NY Giants the following year after the Steelers drafted Terry Bradshaw, and then would play in Atlanta (1971-73) and finish his career in New England, retiring after the 1974 season. For his career, Shiner threw for 4801 yards with 36 touchdowns and 43 interceptions. Below is one of the craziest football cards you will ever see, a guy in a Browns uniform with a Steelers logo on the card. 

    dick shiner.jpeg

  • @syd said:

     i believe it was the week after Bernie was let go. and i  was on the 50 yard line center(seahawks game) and rode belichek for most of the game. and yes he was nice enough to turn around and acknowledge my boorish behavior

    Love Ya Bernie

    The infamous Todd Philcox game in Seattle. 

    Belichick wasn't well-liked here, specifically for this move, but sadly he was right about Kosar. By his fifth or sixth season, he was already in decline. By the time Bill cut him, his days as a starter were done. He was only 29. 

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by mjp28

    @dutch-oven said:

    The infamous Todd Philcox game in Seattle. 

    Belichick wasn't well-liked here, specifically for this move, but sadly he was right about Kosar. By his fifth or sixth season, he was already in decline. By the time Bill cut him, his days as a starter were done. He was only 29. 

    Bernie was always my guy.  He also was a 100% BROWNS fan.

    Bernie's benefits company in Boardman was next door to my doctor's office  -but- he was never there ..... his dad Bernie Senior would plop his lazy butt there and figure how to get more money out of it.  I never liked him.  The only money Bernie ever took out was to pay for his sister's college bills .... his dad spent the rest ..... on himself..

    Bernie's uncle worked at the same US Steel plant that I was at.  He was an OK guy, he worked in the same department that my dad was a boss of.  My dad also got my one cousin a job there in the communications department at.  My dad was an electrical test engineer in charge of central power there.  A real smart guy,  he knew Bernie's uncle well.  

    US Steel in Youngstown/ McDonald had over 10,000 employees, over 15,000  at one time.  When I as there a real family company  ...... Intel it closed. Oh well.   Nice company to work for.

    Just a little Kosar family information. 

    Bernie-Kosar.jpg

  • Good morning lads! Allow me to blow your minds with this tasty trivia tidbit, for today I will inform you (or remind you) that once, the Browns had a QB with a truly fantastic name. Yes, boys, we are Dick Shiner days until the start of the 2023 Cleveland Browns season! Shiner was a 1964 seventh round pick of Washington who played sparingly for the Redskins for three seasons behind started Sonny Jurgenson.

    He then came to your Cleveland Browns in 1967, and Dick backed up Frank Ryan. In his one glorious season for the Browns, the ol' Pud Polisher was 3 for 9 for 34 yards, no touchdowns and 1 interception. Shiner would then be involved in the trade to Pittsburgh that netted the Browns QB Bill Nelsen, who would replace Ryan. Shiner started nine games in 1969 for the Steelers, Chuck Noll's first season in Pittsburgh as head coach.

    He was traded to the NY Giants the following year after the Steelers drafted Terry Bradshaw, and then would play in Atlanta (1971-73) and finish his career in New England, retiring after the 1974 season. For his career, Shiner threw for 4801 yards with 36 touchdowns and 43 interceptions. Below is one of the craziest football cards you will ever see, a guy in a Browns uniform with a Steelers logo on the card. 

    dick shiner.jpeg

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by mjp28

    @dutch-oven said:

    Good morning lads! Allow me to blow your minds with this tasty trivia tidbit, for today I will inform you (or remind you) that once, the Browns have a QB with a truly fantastic name. Yes, boys, we are Dick Shiner days until the start of the 2023 Cleveland Browns season! Shiner was a 1964 seventh round pick of Washington who played sparingly for the Redskins for three seasons behind started Sonny Jurgenson.

    He then came to your Cleveland Browns in 1967, and Dick backed up Frank Ryan. In his one glorious season for the Browns, the ol' Pud Polisher was 3 for 9 for 34 yards, no touchdowns and 1 interception. Shiner would then be involved in the trade to Pittsburgh that netted the Browns QB Bill Nelsen, who would replace Ryan. Shiner started nine games in 1969 for the Steelers, Chuck Noll's first season in Pittsburgh as head coach.

    He was traded to the NY Giants the following year after the Steelers drafted Terry Bradshaw, and then would play in Atlanta (1971-73) and finish his career in New England, retiring after the 1974 season. For his career, Shiner threw for 4801 yards with 36 touchdowns and 43 interceptions. Below is one of the craziest football cards you will ever see, a guy in a Browns uniform with a Steelers logo on the card. 

    dick shiner.jpeg

    Well there are not many  #18 jersey wearing like Dick Shiner above but there are  few  notable names that did.

    Like  #18  Gary Danielson  for example in  1985, 1987 & 1988  as an emergency quarterback went down with injuries like Bernie Kosar. 

    And  #18  Len Dawson  early in his career in 1960 & 1961  after being hardly used in Clevland or in Pittsburgh 1957-1959  and eventually ending up in Kansas City. 

    Or  #18  Mike Tomzack. In Cleveland in 1992  for one year.  A lot of  players going through here many moved on to or through  Poittsburgh.  Why not ?

  • sydS syd wrote on last edited by

    Rock N Roll

    Hell Ya

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by

    We are only two days away from the last preseason game, and we are also Brian Sipe days until the start of the 2023 Cleveland Browns season. The Californian was a 13th round pick of the Browns in the 1972 Draft out of San Diego State. He had a slow go at it getting his career started, he was a practice squad player his first two seasons, and didn't become a full-time starter until 1976, when he lead the Browns to a 9-5 record, a six game improvement over the previous season. Over the course of the 1979 and '80 season, he lead the Browns in eleven game-winning drives in the 4th quarter or overtime, spawning the "Kardiac Kids". In 1980, Sipe would throw for 4132 yards and 30 touchdowns, helping the Browns go to the playoffs for the first time since 1972. He was named the NFL's MVP and went to the Pro-Bowl. Sadly, the exciting season ended with Sipe throwing an interception vs the Raiders in the frost-bitten "Red Right 88" playoff game. The Browns would slump after that, with Sipe losing his starting job for a while in 1982 to Paul McDonald. He would regain his starting job in 1983 and lead the Browns to a 9-7 record. Sipe would then jump to the USFL, where he would play his final two pro football seasons. For his career, Sipe threw for 23,763 yards, 154 touchdowns and 149 interceptions. 

    brian sipe.jpeg

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by

    Well let me start your weekend off by telling you that we are only Josh Cribbs days until the start of the 2023 Cleveland Browns season! The Browns signed Cribbs after he went undrafted in the 2005 Draft, and converted the Kent State QB into a special teams extraordinaire. Cribbs would play for the Browns through the 2012 season, going to the Pro Bowl three times. He end his career with stops in Oakland, New York (Jets) and Indianapolis over the last two seasons in the NFL. He was named to the NFL 2000s All-Decade Team. In his career, he would have 11,113 yards in kickoff returns (26.1 avg) and 8 touchdowns, and add another 2373 yards (10.7 avg) and another 3 touchdowns in punt returns. On offense, he'd run for 797 yards (5.7 avg) and 2 touchdowns and would have 110 career receptions for 1175 yards and 7 touchdowns. His wife Maria and Josh can be seen on their show "Cribbs in the CLE" on WOIO. 

    josh cribbs.jpeg

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by

    Good morning gentlemen, and others, as we sprint closer to another fun-filled football season. In fact, we are now Mike Phipps days until the start of the 2023 Cleveland Browns season! Phipps might be possibly the most infamous of all the players we've profiled, and while the popular sentiment is that the Browns executed one of the worst trades in NFL history to get him, they might have pulled off one of the best trades ever to get rid of him!

    Phipps was a three year starter at Purdue (1967-69) where he lead the Boilermakers to three straight wins over Notre Dame, who had won a National Championship in 1966. He finished second in the Heisman his senior year, and the Miami Dolphins selected Phipps #3 overall in the 1970 Draft. They already had Bob Griese (who Phipps had succeeded as starter at Purdue, coincidentally enough) so they traded him to the Browns for future Hall of Famer WR Paul Warfield. To sum up Phipps' seven seasons in Cleveland succinctly, he didn't exactly play well. In fact, he put up some of the worst numbers I've ever seen of a QB who got as much playing time for as long as he did that I've ever seen. For his career, Phipps threw for 10,506 yards (at a paltry 49.2% completion rate) with 55 touchdowns and 108 interceptions. Holy shitballs indeed. The weird thing was that somehow his starting record as a QB was 38-31-2. Well, the Bears saw something in his seven seasons with the Browns they liked (hence, why the Bears have traditionally been horrible at the QB position) and traded a 1978 first rounder to the Browns in May of 1977 for Phipps. He'd end his career there in the early 80s, and the Browns would take that first rounder in 1978 and draft Alabama WR Ozzie Newsome, and move him to TE. 

    mike phipps.jpeg

  • Good morning gentlemen, and others, as we sprint closer to another fun-filled football season. In fact, we are now Mike Phipps days until the start of the 2023 Cleveland Browns season! Phipps might be possibly the most infamous of all the players we've profiled, and while the popular sentiment is that the Browns executed one of the worst trades in NFL history to get him, they might have pulled off one of the best trades ever to get rid of him!

    Phipps was a three year starter at Purdue (1967-69) where he lead the Boilermakers to three straight wins over Notre Dame, who had won a National Championship in 1966. He finished second in the Heisman his senior year, and the Miami Dolphins selected Phipps #3 overall in the 1970 Draft. They already had Bob Griese (who Phipps had succeeded as starter at Purdue, coincidentally enough) so they traded him to the Browns for future Hall of Famer WR Paul Warfield. To sum up Phipps' seven seasons in Cleveland succinctly, he didn't exactly play well. In fact, he put up some of the worst numbers I've ever seen of a QB who got as much playing time for as long as he did that I've ever seen. For his career, Phipps threw for 10,506 yards (at a paltry 49.2% completion rate) with 55 touchdowns and 108 interceptions. Holy shitballs indeed. The weird thing was that somehow his starting record as a QB was 38-31-2. Well, the Bears saw something in his seven seasons with the Browns they liked (hence, why the Bears have traditionally been horrible at the QB position) and traded a 1978 first rounder to the Browns in May of 1977 for Phipps. He'd end his career there in the early 80s, and the Browns would take that first rounder in 1978 and draft Alabama WR Ozzie Newsome, and move him to TE. 

    mike phipps.jpeg

    sydS syd wrote on last edited by

    @dutch-oven said:

    Good morning gentlemen, and others, as we sprint closer to another fun-filled football season. In fact, we are now Mike Phipps days until the start of the 2023 Cleveland Browns season! Phipps might be possibly the most infamous of all the players we've profiled, and while the popular sentiment is that the Browns executed one of the worst trades in NFL history to get him, they might have pulled off one of the best trades ever to get rid of him!

    Phipps was a three year starter at Purdue (1967-69) where he lead the Boilermakers to three straight wins over Notre Dame, who had won a National Championship in 1966. He finished second in the Heisman his senior year, and the Miami Dolphins selected Phipps #3 overall in the 1970 Draft. They already had Bob Griese (who Phipps had succeeded as starter at Purdue, coincidentally enough) so they traded him to the Browns for future Hall of Famer WR Paul Warfield. To sum up Phipps' seven seasons in Cleveland succinctly, he didn't exactly play well. In fact, he put up some of the worst numbers I've ever seen of a QB who got as much playing time for as long as he did that I've ever seen. For his career, Phipps threw for 10,506 yards (at a paltry 49.2% completion rate) with 55 touchdowns and 108 interceptions. Holy shitballs indeed. The weird thing was that somehow his starting record as a QB was 38-31-2. Well, the Bears saw something in his seven seasons with the Browns they liked (hence, why the Bears have traditionally been horrible at the QB position) and traded a 1978 first rounder to the Browns in May of 1977 for Phipps. He'd end his career there in the early 80s, and the Browns would take that first rounder in 1978 and draft Alabama WR Ozzie Newsome, and move him to TE. 

    mike phipps.jpeg

    awesome read

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by Dutch Oven

    It feels like Syd started this a year ago, but we are starting to get close, boys. In fact, we are Otto Graham days until the start of the 2023 Cleveland Browns season! Graham was signed by Paul Brown before the end of WWII, but was not the starting QB for the new Cleveland Browns in their first two AAFC games, as he arrived late from being discharged from the Navy. He quickly showed why Brown signed him a year before, and would run off ten seasons the likes will never been seen again. In all ten seasons, the former Northwestern Wild Cat lead the Browns to their respective league's championship. He'd win all four AAFC Championships, win the 1950 title in the Browns first season in the NFL, then after three tough Championship losses in a row win two more titles for the Browns in convincing fashion. After Graham retired, he'd be head coach and athletic director at the Coast Guard Academy before and after a three year stint as head coach of the Washington Redskins. 

    Automatic Otto would be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1965. For his career, he'd throw for 23,584 yards with 174 touchdowns against 135 interceptions. Graham still holds the record for the highest career yards per pass attempt in history. He'd also rush for 882 yards and 44 touchdowns. 

    otto graham.jpeg

  • It feels like Syd started this a year ago, but we are starting to get close, boys. In fact, we are Otto Graham days until the start of the 2023 Cleveland Browns season! Graham was signed by Paul Brown before the end of WWII, but was not the starting QB for the new Cleveland Browns in their first two AAFC games, as he arrived late from being discharged from the Navy. He quickly showed why Brown signed him a year before, and would run off ten seasons the likes will never been seen again. In all ten seasons, the former Northwestern Wild Cat lead the Browns to their respective league's championship. He'd win all four AAFC Championships, win the 1950 title in the Browns first season in the NFL, then after three tough Championship losses in a row win two more titles for the Browns in convincing fashion. After Graham retired, he'd be head coach and athletic director at the Coast Guard Academy before and after a three year stint as head coach of the Washington Redskins. 

    Automatic Otto would be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1965. For his career, he'd throw for 23,584 yards with 174 touchdowns against 135 interceptions. Graham still holds the record for the highest career yards per pass attempt in history. He'd also rush for 882 yards and 44 touchdowns. 

    otto graham.jpeg

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by

    @dutch-oven said:

    It feels like Syd started this a year ago, but we are starting to get close, boys. In fact, we are Otto Graham days until the start of the 2023 Cleveland Browns season! Graham was signed by Paul Brown before the end of WWII, but was not the starting QB for the new Cleveland Browns in their first two AAFC games, as he arrived late from being discharged from the Navy. He quickly show why Brown signed him a year before, and would run off ten seasons the likes will never been seen again. In all ten seasons, the former Northwestern WildDawg lead the Browns to their respective league's championship. He'd win all four AAFC Championships, win the 1950 title in the Browns first season in the NFL, then after three tough Championship losses in a row win two more titles for the Browns in convincing fashion. After Graham retired, he'd be head coach and athletic director at the Coast Guard Academy before and after a three year stint as head coach of the Washington Redskins. 

    Automatic Otto would be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1965. For his career, he'd throw for 23,584 yards with 174 touchdowns against 135 interceptions. Graham still holds the record for the highest career yards per pass attempt in history. He'd also rush for 882 yards and 44 touchdowns. 

    otto graham.jpego

    ~   Some very good  stories in the teen numbers  ......  I will try to get back to them  soon.   mjp.

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by

    We go from the greatest QB in Browns history to the last Browns QB to lead the Browns to a NFL title, as we are now Frank Ryan days until the start of the 2023 Cleveland Browns season. Ryan was drafted in the 5th round of the 1958 Draft by the Los Angeles Rams out of Rice, but would play sparingly in his four seasons there. He was then traded to the Browns before the start of the 1962 training camp, and was slated as the backup to Jim Ninowski, but became the starter that season after Ninowski suffered a season-ending injury. Ryan would hold onto the starting QB position for the next six seasons.

    Ryan would lead the NFL in touchdown passes in 1964 (25) and the Browns to a NFL Championship, and another trip to the NFL Title Game the next season too, but the Browns fell short vs the Packers. He'd have a fine season in 1966 too, which would end his three year in a row Pro Bowl run. He would be replaced early on in the 1968 season as starter by Bill Nelsen, as he had been battling injuries ever since the 1964 Pro Bowl. Would move on to Washington in 1969, and retire from there after the 1970 season. While with the Browns, Ryan would get his Ph.D in mathematics. After retiring, he'd put his education to work, as he worked at times in the U.S. government, was also the athletic director at Yale, professor at Rice, among other jobs.

    For his career, Dr. Ryan threw for 16,044 yards with 149 touchdowns against 111 interceptions. He also added 1358 rushing yards and 6 touchdowns. 

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  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by Dutch Oven

    This next one might ruffle some feathers. Panties might get in a bunch... but we are now Josh Gordon days until the start of the 2023 Cleveland Browns season. "Now Dutch..." you growl, "Why would you pick THIS guy? You could have used longtime kicker Don Cockroft!", you angrily add. 

    Well, allow me to retort. I've been watching the Browns since the end of the Sam Rutigliano head coaching era, and I'll go to my death bed convinced that for ONE season, Josh Gordon was the most dominant Browns player I've ever seen. Gordon was a second round draft pick of the Browns in the 2012 Supplemental Draft out of Baylor, and had a solid rookie season, catching 50 balls for 805 yards (16.1 avg) and 5 touchdowns. He would miss the first two games of the 2014 season due to a failed drug test, then would just flat-out dominate, catching 87 passes for 1646 yards (18.9 avg) and 9 touchdowns. He put up these Madden Playstation numbers with Jason Campbell and Brandon Weeden starting 13 of the Browns games, going 1-12. (Brian Hoyer went 3-0 in his starts). 

    Its been a shitshow since. Between 2014-2017, Gordon played in 11 games combined, due to failed alcohol/drug tests. He missed both the 2015 and 2016 seasons entirely. The Browns finally pulled the plug on Gordon by trading him to New England in 2018, but he voluntarily left the active roster amid a potential indefinite suspension. Returned in 2019, to only get suspended in 2020. Reinstated in 2021 and played for Kansas City, then played for Tennessee in 2022. 

    A tale of two Josh Gordons:

    2012/2013: 30 games, 137 rec, 2451 yards, 17.9 avg, 14 touchdowns
    2014-2022: 47 games, 115 rec, 1833 yards, 15.9 avg, 7 touchdowns

    sh gordon.webp

  • This next one might ruffle some feathers. Panties might get in a bunch... but we are now Josh Gordon days until the start of the 2023 Cleveland Browns season. "Now Dutch..." you growl, "Why would you pick THIS guy? You could have used longtime kicker Don Cockroft!", you angrily add. 

    Well, allow me to retort. I've been watching the Browns since the end of the Sam Rutigliano head coaching era, and I'll go to my death bed convinced that for ONE season, Josh Gordon was the most dominant Browns player I've ever seen. Gordon was a second round draft pick of the Browns in the 2012 Supplemental Draft out of Baylor, and had a solid rookie season, catching 50 balls for 805 yards (16.1 avg) and 5 touchdowns. He would miss the first two games of the 2014 season due to a failed drug test, then would just flat-out dominate, catching 87 passes for 1646 yards (18.9 avg) and 9 touchdowns. He put up these Madden Playstation numbers with Jason Campbell and Brandon Weeden starting 13 of the Browns games, going 1-12. (Brian Hoyer went 3-0 in his starts). 

    Its been a shitshow since. Between 2014-2017, Gordon played in 11 games combined, due to failed alcohol/drug tests. He missed both the 2015 and 2016 seasons entirely. The Browns finally pulled the plug on Gordon by trading him to New England in 2018, but he voluntarily left the active roster amid a potential indefinite suspension. Returned in 2019, to only get suspended in 2020. Reinstated in 2021 and played for Kansas City, then played for Tennessee in 2022. 

    A tale of two Josh Gordons:

    2012/2013: 30 games, 137 rec, 2451 yards, 17.9 avg, 14 touchdowns
    2014-2022: 47 games, 115 rec, 1833 yards, 15.9 avg, 7 touchdowns

    sh gordon.webp

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by

    @dutch-oven said:

    This next one might ruffle some feathers. Panties might get in a bunch... but we are now Josh Gordon days until the start of the 2023 Cleveland Browns season. "Now Dutch..." you growl, "Why would you pick THIS guy? You could have used longtime kicker Don Cockroft!", you angrily add. 

    Well, allow me to retort. I've been watching the Browns since the end of the Sam Rutigliano head coaching era, and I'll go to my death bed convinced that for ONE season, Josh Gordon was the most dominant Browns player I've ever seen. Gordon was a second round draft pick of the Browns in the 2012 Supplemental Draft out of Baylor, and had a solid rookie season, catching 50 balls for 805 yards (16.1 avg) and 5 touchdowns. He would miss the first two games of the 2014 season due to a failed drug test, then would just flat-out dominate, catching 87 passes for 1646 yards (18.9 avg) and 9 touchdowns. He put up these Madden Playstation numbers with Jason Campbell and Brandon Weeden starting 13 of the Browns games, going 1-12. (Brian Hoyer went 3-0 in his starts). 

    Its been a shitshow since. Between 2014-2017, Gordon played in 11 games combined, due to failed alcohol/drug tests. He missed both the 2015 and 2016 seasons entirely. The Browns finally pulled the plug on Gordon by trading him to New England in 2018, but he voluntarily left the active roster amid a potential indefinite suspension. Returned in 2019, to only get suspended in 2020. Reinstated in 2021 and played for Kansas City, then played for Tennessee in 2022. 

    A tale of two Josh Gordons:

    2012/2013: 30 games, 137 rec, 2451 yards, 17.9 avg, 14 touchdowns
    2014-2022: 47 games, 115 rec, 1833 yards, 15.9 avg, 7 touchdowns

    sh gordon.webp

    Yeah, not a lot of competition for him wearing #12.  Vinny was the QB of our 11-5 team but it was sometimes hard to differentiate if he was the driver or the passenger.

    Those Potsy Gordon numbers were impressive at times; but it was hard to depend on him for any length of time.

    Speaking of that, the 1 season the Browns could count on Braylon Edwards in 2007 - check out the numbers he produced and TDs in particular:

    SEASON TM GP REC TRG REC/G YDS AVG YPG TD LNG ATT ATT/G YDS YPC YPG TD LNG TOT YDS TOT TD FUM LOST
                                               
    2007 CLE 16 80 153 5.0 1,289 16.1 80.6 16 78 0 0.0 0   0.0 0   1,289 16 3 2
  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by

    Edwards had a great season without a doubt, but Gordon was a man among boys. The perfect size/speed combo.