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  • @calfoxwc said:

    Moving on, vs the squealers, I hope the Browns score twice as many points as the scum from three rivers.

    What is impressive is the Browns' defense. They interviewed Schwartz, and he seems to be a huge breath of fresh air, he actually makes serious sense when he talks.

    He should be HC eventually.

    SI has a list of NFL defenses rated:

    Browns are not top five...yet.

    Tenth isn't too bad after week one:

    Team Defense Rankings:

    1. Cowboys, DAL, vs. NYJ
    2. 49ers, SF, at LAR
    3. Eagles, PHI, vs. MIN
    4. Bills, BUF, vs. LV
    5. Broncos, DEN, vs. WAS
    6. Giants, NYG, ar ARI
    7. Buccaneers, TB, vs. CHI
    8. Browns, CLE, at PIT

    I would love to have him replace Kevvy... I still dont trust Kevvy when it counts

    @nickers said:

    I would love to have him replace Kevvy... I still dont trust Kevvy when it counts

    yep, stef is outclassed badly by his OC and DC. That's his only possible saving grace.

  • @calfoxwc said:

    Moving on, vs the squealers, I hope the Browns score twice as many points as the scum from three rivers.

    What is impressive is the Browns' defense. They interviewed Schwartz, and he seems to be a huge breath of fresh air, he actually makes serious sense when he talks.

    He should be HC eventually.

    SI has a list of NFL defenses rated:

    Browns are not top five...yet.

    Tenth isn't too bad after week one:

    Team Defense Rankings:

    1. Cowboys, DAL, vs. NYJ
    2. 49ers, SF, at LAR
    3. Eagles, PHI, vs. MIN
    4. Bills, BUF, vs. LV
    5. Broncos, DEN, vs. WAS
    6. Giants, NYG, ar ARI
    7. Buccaneers, TB, vs. CHI
    8. Browns, CLE, at PIT

    I would love to have him replace Kevvy... I still dont trust Kevvy when it counts

    @nickers said:

    I would love to have him replace Kevvy... I still dont trust Kevvy when it counts

    BEFORE we replace anybody on this year's coaching staff - let's CONTINUE to replace last year's defense with this year's defense.  The Browns have played 1 game with 16 more to go. Didn't they start out 1-0 last year?  The hero of that game (Cade York) has chased himself right out of town since then.  

    Right now I want Schwartz exactly where he wants to be - Coordinating our Defense WITHOUT Paul Depodesta telling him how to do it and getting involved on what situational defenses/personnel he wants to Poseiden Adventure it into.  No FOCKING thanks!  Don't you think if Schwartz wanted to be a Head Coach right now - he would be?  The same applies to Oline Coach Bill Callahan.  Let's get this defense in tact and build on it every week.  This week's game isn't going to be nearly as easy as many think it will.  This team we've followed forever - hasn't always followed up a big win like we wanted them to.  Do you know how many times we've seen the Browns beat somebody they're not supposed to beat only to lose to somebody they were supposed to beat the very next week?  Welcome back to Cleveland!  Let's change that stuff.

    It's not just you Nicks - but let's calm down with wanting a new Head Coach right after every opener.  This is now the 2nd opener in a row this team has won.  How many decades do we have to go back to match that? The problems on offense go up over Stefanski to Front Office Depo.  Since there's 0% chance of changing that during this regular season - let's go 1 week at at time pondering how we can beat this week's opponent.  Ready?   If they fail to prepare for TJ Watt then they should prepare to fail.  There's the game right there IMO.  

  • @calfoxwc said:

    The Browns upgraded their cast of wr's dramatically. That is a saving grace for a qb who needs to make a pass play work with little time.

    What could have been -

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    • Sunday 5:47 PM | Rotowire.com

      Leads upset win in team debut

      Mayfield completed 21 of 34 passes for 173 yards with two touchdowns and no interceptions and added eight carries for 11 yards in the Buccaneers' 20-17 win over the Vikings on Sunday.
      Advice: Officially beginning his tenure as the Buccaneers' starting quarterback, Mayfield displayed impressive poise during a mistake-free performance in a tough road environment. The 2018 first overall pick unsurprisingly leaned on Mike Evans and Chris Godwin the most, with 11 of his completions, 117 yards and one of his touchdowns ending up in the hands of the duo. Mayfield connected with seven different targets overall, and in addition to his 28-yard scoring toss to Evans just before halftime, he also hit rookie Trey Palmer for a seven-yard touchdown pass in the third quarter. With a solid start to the season under his belt, Mayfield will look to build on it in his Week 2 home debut against the Bears."

    Even Jameis Winston threw for 5109 yards and 33 TDs while completing 60.7% of his passes when he had the top 2 WRs in the conference (Evans and Godwin) in 2019.  However, Jameis also threw 30 INTs that same season.  Having great WRs doesn't prevent QBs from being careless (ie; Josh Allen vrs the Jets).

    IMO, Baker has to prove he can be consistent in this league.  Sometimes he'll have a good game; and then the next opponent shows up well prepared to stop him. Maybe more experience will help that who knows?

    @flugel said:

    Even Jameis Winston threw for 5109 yards and 33 TDs while completing 60.7% of his passes when he had the top 2 WRs in the conference (Evans and Godwin) in 2019.  However, Jameis also threw 30 INTs that same season.  Having great WRs doesn't prevent QBs from being careless (ie; Josh Allen vrs the Jets).

    IMO, Baker has to prove he can be consistent in this league.  Sometimes he'll have a good game; and then the next opponent shows up well prepared to stop him. Maybe more experience will help that who knows?

    We've debated Baker's plusses and minuses ad nauseum, so there's NO need to rehash them again. We can just point out that Baker is now on his 4th team- that's what's called a "journeyman". Hey, Nick Foles won a Super Bowl, can Mayfield pull the same rabbit out of his hat? Personally, I doubt it. He is who he is, & marked improvement at this stage of his career is damn unlikely. And I certainly don't obsess about him. Yeah any QB with rudimentary NFL skills can look mighty good if he has all day to throw, and a couple of Pro Bowl caliber WRs to throw to. 

  • Moving on, vs the squealers, I hope the Browns score twice as many points as the scum from three rivers.

    What is impressive is the Browns' defense. They interviewed Schwartz, and he seems to be a huge breath of fresh air, he actually makes serious sense when he talks.

    He should be HC eventually.

    SI has a list of NFL defenses rated:

    Browns are not top five...yet.

    Tenth isn't too bad after week one:

    Team Defense Rankings:

    1. Cowboys, DAL, vs. NYJ
    2. 49ers, SF, at LAR
    3. Eagles, PHI, vs. MIN
    4. Bills, BUF, vs. LV
    5. Broncos, DEN, vs. WAS
    6. Giants, NYG, ar ARI
    7. Buccaneers, TB, vs. CHI
    8. Browns, CLE, at PIT

    @calfoxwc said:

    Moving on, vs the squealers, I hope the Browns score twice as many points as the scum from three rivers.

    What is impressive is the Browns' defense. They interviewed Schwartz, and he seems to be a huge breath of fresh air, he actually makes serious sense when he talks.

    He should be HC eventually.

    Did you forget once upon a time Schwartz WAS a head coach?   

    @nickers said:

    I would love to have him replace Kevvy... I still don't trust Kevvy when it counts

    NO, YOU DON'T.  Let me tell you why. Ya see, my brother in laws are huge Lions fans.... And their unanimous opinion is Schwartz sucked during his head coaching tenure in Detroit. It's certainly possible Jim has found his niche as a top Defensive Coordinator. The number of top OC's and DC's that made the jump to head coach and totally flopped is beyond my ability to count. The most glaring example there is Dick LeBeau.  

  • @calfoxwc said:

    Moving on, vs the squealers, I hope the Browns score twice as many points as the scum from three rivers.

    What is impressive is the Browns' defense. They interviewed Schwartz, and he seems to be a huge breath of fresh air, he actually makes serious sense when he talks.

    He should be HC eventually.

    Did you forget once upon a time Schwartz WAS a head coach?   

    @nickers said:

    I would love to have him replace Kevvy... I still don't trust Kevvy when it counts

    NO, YOU DON'T.  Let me tell you why. Ya see, my brother in laws are huge Lions fans.... And their unanimous opinion is Schwartz sucked during his head coaching tenure in Detroit. It's certainly possible Jim has found his niche as a top Defensive Coordinator. The number of top OC's and DC's that made the jump to head coach and totally flopped is beyond my ability to count. The most glaring example there is Dick LeBeau.  

    @hoorta said:

    Did you forget once upon a time Schwartz WAS a head coach?   

    NO, YOU DON'T.  Let me tell you why. Ya see, my brother in laws are huge Lions fans.... And their unanimous opinion is Schwartz sucked during his head coaching tenure in Detroit. It's certainly possible Jim has found his niche as a top Defensive Coordinator. The number of top OC's and DC's that made the jump to head coach and totally flopped is beyond my ability to count. The most glaring example there is Dick LeBeau.  

    Good analogy... But I never thought Schwartz was the problem in Detroit... But I agree with most of what ya said...

  • @hoorta said:

    Did you forget once upon a time Schwartz WAS a head coach?   

    NO, YOU DON'T.  Let me tell you why. Ya see, my brother in laws are huge Lions fans.... And their unanimous opinion is Schwartz sucked during his head coaching tenure in Detroit. It's certainly possible Jim has found his niche as a top Defensive Coordinator. The number of top OC's and DC's that made the jump to head coach and totally flopped is beyond my ability to count. The most glaring example there is Dick LeBeau.  

    Good analogy... But I never thought Schwartz was the problem in Detroit... But I agree with most of what ya said...

    @nickers said:

    Good analogy... But I never thought Schwartz was the problem in Detroit... But I agree with most of what ya said...

    Schwartz inherited a turd salad sandwich and in two years took the Lions to the playoffs. 
     

    Hasn’t been an HC since 2013 maybe he’s comfortable without that responsibility and title.

  • @flugel said:

    Even Jameis Winston threw for 5109 yards and 33 TDs while completing 60.7% of his passes when he had the top 2 WRs in the conference (Evans and Godwin) in 2019.  However, Jameis also threw 30 INTs that same season.  Having great WRs doesn't prevent QBs from being careless (ie; Josh Allen vrs the Jets).

    IMO, Baker has to prove he can be consistent in this league.  Sometimes he'll have a good game; and then the next opponent shows up well prepared to stop him. Maybe more experience will help that who knows?

    We've debated Baker's plusses and minuses ad nauseum, so there's NO need to rehash them again. We can just point out that Baker is now on his 4th team- that's what's called a "journeyman". Hey, Nick Foles won a Super Bowl, can Mayfield pull the same rabbit out of his hat? Personally, I doubt it. He is who he is, & marked improvement at this stage of his career is damn unlikely. And I certainly don't obsess about him. Yeah any QB with rudimentary NFL skills can look mighty good if he has all day to throw, and a couple of Pro Bowl caliber WRs to throw to. 

    @hoorta said:

    We've debated Baker's plusses and minuses ad nauseum, so there's NO need to rehash them again. We can just point out that Baker is now on his 4th team- that's what's called a "journeyman". Hey, Nick Foles won a Super Bowl, can Mayfield pull the same rabbit out of his hat? Personally, I doubt it. He is who he is, & marked improvement at this stage of his career is damn unlikely. And I certainly don't obsess about him. Yeah any QB with rudimentary NFL skills can look mighty good if he has all day to throw, and a couple of Pro Bowl caliber WRs to throw to. 

    Yeah, we already did move on. Good point.  Glad to see you back here talking football again Larry!  

  • @nickers said:

    Good analogy... But I never thought Schwartz was the problem in Detroit... But I agree with most of what ya said...

    Schwartz inherited a turd salad sandwich and in two years took the Lions to the playoffs. 
     

    Hasn’t been an HC since 2013 maybe he’s comfortable without that responsibility and title.

    @sdbacker80 said:

    Schwartz inherited a turd salad sandwich and in two years took the Lions to the playoffs. 
     

    Hasn’t been an HC since 2013 maybe he’s comfortable without that responsibility and title.

    That is true.

    Interestingly enough, especially considering the amount of "he's a hardnosed coach who demands professionalism!" posts I've seen on here is how incredibly undisciplined those Lions teams were under him. They were one of the most penalized teams in the NFL, and if I recall had an ongoing problem with getting called for unsportsmanlike penalties. 

  • @nickers said:

    Good analogy... But I never thought Schwartz was the problem in Detroit... But I agree with most of what ya said...

    Schwartz inherited a turd salad sandwich and in two years took the Lions to the playoffs. 
     

    Hasn’t been an HC since 2013 maybe he’s comfortable without that responsibility and title.

    @sdbacker80 said:

    Schwartz inherited a turd salad sandwich and in two years took the Lions to the playoffs. 
     

    Hasn’t been an HC since 2013 maybe he’s comfortable without that responsibility and title.

    Not to scare you - but you and I have the same thinking about that part in bold.  I said something similar in my reply to Nicks.  

  • But theres just something about Kevvy... Where you know at some point he's gonna get cute and make that bone headed call and out think himself... I do NOT want to see that version of Kevvy this season...

  • Bubba Ventrone IMO would have a better chance of being named the Browns next head coach than Schwartz. 

    I could see Schwartz being named as the interim HC if Stefanski was hypothetically fired in-season, but long-term I think Ventrone would be more likely. 

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    Schwartz inherited a turd salad sandwich and in two years took the Lions to the playoffs. 
     

    Hasn’t been an HC since 2013 maybe he’s comfortable without that responsibility and title.

    Not to scare you - but you and I have the same thinking about that part in bold.  I said something similar in my reply to Nicks.  

    @flugel said:

    Not to scare you - but you and I have the same thinking about that part in bold.  I said something similar in my reply to Nicks.  

    Not scared here on the WC.  if I’m 57 and doing well at what I do and I’m set do I really want a challenge into my 60s. After some of his past gigs do we really want to assume he hasn’t had opportunities? 

  • My fear is a team, such as the Chargers, (who's defense blows weekly/ with talent) under Brandon (boneheaded) Staley.. Should/could fire B. Staley ?

    To hire a DC such as Jim Schwartz or Dan Quinn as their next head coach.. 

    I've got more confidence with Stef coaching style, over watching Brandon Staley weekly ?

  • My fear is a team, such as the Chargers, (who's defense blows weekly/ with talent) under Brandon (boneheaded) Staley.. Should/could fire B. Staley ?

    To hire a DC such as Jim Schwartz or Dan Quinn as their next head coach.. 

    I've got more confidence with Stef coaching style, over watching Brandon Staley weekly ?

    @gumby73 said:

    My fear is a team, such as the Chargers, (who's defense blows weekly/ with talent) under Brandon (boneheaded) Staley.. Should/could fire B. Staley ?

    To hire a DC such as Jim Schwartz or Dan Quinn as their next head coach.. 

    I've got more confidence with Stef coaching style, over watching Brandon Staley weekly ?

    The sad part for me is Brandon Staley's parents are my neighbors and they're super nice people.. I hope the guy gets his stuff figured out and makes it...

  • @flugel said:

    Not to scare you - but you and I have the same thinking about that part in bold.  I said something similar in my reply to Nicks.  

    Not scared here on the WC.  if I’m 57 and doing well at what I do and I’m set do I really want a challenge into my 60s. After some of his past gigs do we really want to assume he hasn’t had opportunities? 

    @sdbacker80 said:

    Not scared here on the WC.  if I’m 57 and doing well at what I do and I’m set do I really want a challenge into my 60s. After some of his past gigs do we really want to assume he hasn’t had opportunities? 

    ?  I didn't think you were.  You sum it all up real well.  That was some fun defense to watch.  I cringe when I hear people wanting the Browns to hurry up and fire Stefanski so they can make Schwartz a Head Coach instead of keeping him in his expertise.  That doesn't mean I like Stefanski's play calling or even his passing game all the time.

  • Baker kicked ass again today!!!

  • Baker kicked ass again today!!!

    @kvoethe said:

    Baker kicked ass again today!!!

    Yup and Mr.Peepee still looks pedestrian

  • My fear is a team, such as the Chargers, (who's defense blows weekly/ with talent) under Brandon (boneheaded) Staley.. Should/could fire B. Staley ?

    To hire a DC such as Jim Schwartz or Dan Quinn as their next head coach.. 

    I've got more confidence with Stef coaching style, over watching Brandon Staley weekly ?

    @gumby73 said:

    My fear is a team, such as the Chargers, (who's defense blows weekly/ with talent) under Brandon (boneheaded) Staley.. Should/could fire B. Staley ?

    To hire a DC such as Jim Schwartz or Dan Quinn as their next head coach.. 

    I've got more confidence with Stef coaching style, over watching Brandon Staley weekly ?

    & dem Charges lose again this afternoon.  🙁  

  • Baker kicked ass again today!!!

    @kvoethe said:

    Baker kicked ass again today!!!

    Anyone take tia's advice to bet the Bucs? Guess Da Bears really do suck bad.   

    @nickers said:

    Yup and Mr.Peepee still looks pedestrian

    From NFL.com....  

    "Blessed with good blocking against a limp pass rush, Mayfield torched the Bears' secondary, finding chunk gains easily. Evans made a host of big plays, including a 70-yard catch and run and a 32-yard TD. Mayfield went 26-of-34 passing for 317 yards and a score without taking a sack. The Bucs offense moved the ball at will between the 20s, racking up 437 total yards -- including 103 scrimmage yards and a TD from running back Rachaad White. The blowout would have ensued earlier had it not been for red zone issues (1 of 4). Sunday was a reminder that with weapons at his disposal in Tampa Bay, Mayfield can still make plays when his head isn't scrambled by pressure."

  • @kvoethe said:

    Baker kicked ass again today!!!

    Anyone take tia's advice to bet the Bucs? Guess Da Bears really do suck bad.   

    @nickers said:

    Yup and Mr.Peepee still looks pedestrian

    From NFL.com....  

    "Blessed with good blocking against a limp pass rush, Mayfield torched the Bears' secondary, finding chunk gains easily. Evans made a host of big plays, including a 70-yard catch and run and a 32-yard TD. Mayfield went 26-of-34 passing for 317 yards and a score without taking a sack. The Bucs offense moved the ball at will between the 20s, racking up 437 total yards -- including 103 scrimmage yards and a TD from running back Rachaad White. The blowout would have ensued earlier had it not been for red zone issues (1 of 4). Sunday was a reminder that with weapons at his disposal in Tampa Bay, Mayfield can still make plays when his head isn't scrambled by pressure."

    @hoorta said:

    Anyone take tia's advice to bet the Bucs? Guess Da Bears really do suck bad.   

    And that game should have been worse. Closer to 30-17.   Bucs weren't great in the Redzone against Minny, but I figured it was because of the Vikings D-front being decent.  Turns out, they're just not showing up as an efficient redzone rushing offense so far.  That will absolutely be a liability moving forward.  

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