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  • Well kids..

    You all know I was not a fan of this trade.. And as I feared.. We got duped again... Deshaun Watson will never be a pocket QB.. He's just another gadget QB who simply does not make anyone around him better.. He looked lost.. Confused.. And was holding on to the ball way too long.. He cost the team a win by producing Two facemask penalties, one interception and two fumbles... This falls on our shit QB Mr.Peepee! I have never heard of a QB getting two face mask penalty calls in a single game.. This is an embarrassment... Jimmy... I implore you.. Cut the chord with Kevvy and this garbage QB... Fans deserve better than this shit!

    Signed, Disgruntled fan in Cle!

    @nickers said:

    Well kids..

    You all know I was not a fan of this trade.. And as I feared.. We got duped again... Deshaun Watson will never be a pocket QB.. He's just another gadget QB who simply does not make anyone around him better.. He looked lost.. Confused.. And was holding on to the ball way too long.. He cost the team a win by producing Two facemask penalties, one interception and two fumbles... This falls on our shit QB Mr.Peepee! I have never heard of a QB getting two face mask penalty calls in a single game.. This is an embarrassment... Jimmy... I implore you.. Cut the chord with Kevvy and this garbage QB... Fans deserve better than this shit!

    Signed, Disgruntled fan in Cle!

    I also agree. He lost this game. He doesn’t even look close to what he was in Houston. And as far as a runner, he’s not good at that either.  

    He looks, dare I say it, SKITTISH

    YUCK!!!!

  • Yeah, worst fears are being realized. All they need is a QB to be slightly above average, like the Jets.

    DW had a game to forget. The O line's pass protection was crap as well for the most part.

    Damnit. The Browns looked like the better team. Watson isn't seeing the field.

  • N Neo

    @nickers said:

    Well kids..

    You all know I was not a fan of this trade.. And as I feared.. We got duped again... Deshaun Watson will never be a pocket QB.. He's just another gadget QB who simply does not make anyone around him better.. He looked lost.. Confused.. And was holding on to the ball way too long.. He cost the team a win by producing Two facemask penalties, one interception and two fumbles... This falls on our shit QB Mr.Peepee! I have never heard of a QB getting two face mask penalty calls in a single game.. This is an embarrassment... Jimmy... I implore you.. Cut the chord with Kevvy and this garbage QB... Fans deserve better than this shit!

    Signed, Disgruntled fan in Cle!

    You're such a fucking douche.

    @neo said:

    You're such a fucking douche.

    This is absolutely true.

    But that doesn't mean nickers isn't right about some of the situation either. 

    The Browns (Stefanski) have no idea how to utilize Watson, but that doesn't excuse his poor play across the board. 

    Without Chubb, this IMO is going to get ugly. Stefanski without Chubb is a scary proposition. 

    And I have no doubt that Baker will come crashing towards mediocrity as he always does, but since some on here seem obsessed with their Great White Dope, we'll have to hear about him for years to come. 

    Good times! ?

  • He's pure garbage. And so is Stefanski. I stood up for him for sooooo long but can't anymore. I hope he's fired today, I really do. Season is over anyway, right? No Chubb, no qb, and no future. All you fucking had to do was fair catch a fucking PUNT and not turn it over and you'd WIN. You'd fucking win. But this team can't do that, they're so totally inept and saturated with failure they can't HELP IT. Our coach called a fucking play action, deep drop play against THESE ENDS? 

    I'm done and I hope others are too. And I know I'm upset with what happened with my favorite player, but it doesn't matter anymore. Dismantle everything. This team isn't going to win against Ravens or Pittsburgh. They can't score. 

  • He's pure garbage. And so is Stefanski. I stood up for him for sooooo long but can't anymore. I hope he's fired today, I really do. Season is over anyway, right? No Chubb, no qb, and no future. All you fucking had to do was fair catch a fucking PUNT and not turn it over and you'd WIN. You'd fucking win. But this team can't do that, they're so totally inept and saturated with failure they can't HELP IT. Our coach called a fucking play action, deep drop play against THESE ENDS? 

    I'm done and I hope others are too. And I know I'm upset with what happened with my favorite player, but it doesn't matter anymore. Dismantle everything. This team isn't going to win against Ravens or Pittsburgh. They can't score. 

    @jiggins7919 said:

    He's pure garbage. And so is Stefanski. I stood up for him for sooooo long but can't anymore. I hope he's fired today, I really do. Season is over anyway, right? No Chubb, no qb, and no future. All you fucking had to do was fair catch a fucking PUNT and not turn it over and you'd WIN. You'd fucking win. But this team can't do that, they're so totally inept and saturated with failure they can't HELP IT. Our coach called a fucking play action, deep drop play against THESE ENDS? 

    I'm done and I hope others are too. And I know I'm upset with what happened with my favorite player, but it doesn't matter anymore. Dismantle everything. This team isn't going to win against Ravens or Pittsburgh. They can't score. 

    I'd like to argue but I'm not going to. 

    I predicted a 7-10 season even with obvious upgrades in need areas and the coaching staff.

    What you wrote is why. This team is mentally weak and the culture of losing is strong. Stefanski isn't the answer to fix this.

  • Watson is not a good quarterback. 

    He's not going to develop into a good quarterback. He's bad.  Stefanski isn't helping him but this will be uglier than Johnny Manziel. 

    Out of self defense I have to stop caring about browns football. 

  • We're going to win the division.    This was one game.  We'll come back and win the next one.  I'm not giving up on Watson YET.  Losing Chubb is a big deal.  But we can still win without him.

  • @nickers said:

    Well kids..

    You all know I was not a fan of this trade.. And as I feared.. We got duped again... Deshaun Watson will never be a pocket QB.. He's just another gadget QB who simply does not make anyone around him better.. He looked lost.. Confused.. And was holding on to the ball way too long.. He cost the team a win by producing Two facemask penalties, one interception and two fumbles... This falls on our shit QB Mr.Peepee! I have never heard of a QB getting two face mask penalty calls in a single game.. This is an embarrassment... Jimmy... I implore you.. Cut the chord with Kevvy and this garbage QB... Fans deserve better than this shit!

    Signed, Disgruntled fan in Cle!

    Yeah, I'm with you that Watson had one of the most disgusting games I've ever seen in a long time by a Browns QB.  However, I'm not throwing the towel in on him- YET.  this was a guy who not so long ago had a 70% completion percentage, and passed for 4,800 yards. That's sort of hard to ignore. 

    & FWIW, we're stuck with your garbage for the next year or two to the tune of $150+ million the Browns will have to eat if they admit he's truly a bum. 🙁 

    @hoorta said:

    Yeah, I'm with you that Watson had one of the most disgusting games I've ever seen in a long time by a Browns QB.  However, I'm not throwing the towel in on him- YET.  this was a guy who not so long ago had a 70% completion percentage, and passed for 4,800 yards. That's sort of hard to ignore. 

    & FWIW, we're stuck with your garbage for the next year or two to the tune of $150+ million the Browns will have to eat if they admit he's truly a bum. 🙁 

    All I have heard from most fans, the local media, and plenty of posters on this board, is how Watson is an elite qb, top 5 in the NFL, BLAH BLAH BLAH....For those of you who still believe that, in the 8 games he's played, please give me one example...an offensive series.... that would even suggest that he has that potential. 

  • @hoorta said:

    Yeah, I'm with you that Watson had one of the most disgusting games I've ever seen in a long time by a Browns QB.  However, I'm not throwing the towel in on him- YET.  this was a guy who not so long ago had a 70% completion percentage, and passed for 4,800 yards. That's sort of hard to ignore. 

    & FWIW, we're stuck with your garbage for the next year or two to the tune of $150+ million the Browns will have to eat if they admit he's truly a bum. 🙁 

    All I have heard from most fans, the local media, and plenty of posters on this board, is how Watson is an elite qb, top 5 in the NFL, BLAH BLAH BLAH....For those of you who still believe that, in the 8 games he's played, please give me one example...an offensive series.... that would even suggest that he has that potential. 

    @lodilobo said:

    All I have heard from most fans, the local media, and plenty of posters on this board, is how Watson is an elite qb, top 5 in the NFL, BLAH BLAH BLAH....For those of you who still believe that, in the 8 games he's played, please give me one example...an offensive series.... that would even suggest that he has that potential. 

    Yeah…I never believed in the hype surrounding DW.

    We paid for a Porsche but got a Volkswagen.

    As a Browns fan, I hope he improves.

  • @hoorta said:

    Yeah, I'm with you that Watson had one of the most disgusting games I've ever seen in a long time by a Browns QB.  However, I'm not throwing the towel in on him- YET.  this was a guy who not so long ago had a 70% completion percentage, and passed for 4,800 yards. That's sort of hard to ignore. 

    & FWIW, we're stuck with your garbage for the next year or two to the tune of $150+ million the Browns will have to eat if they admit he's truly a bum. 🙁 

    All I have heard from most fans, the local media, and plenty of posters on this board, is how Watson is an elite qb, top 5 in the NFL, BLAH BLAH BLAH....For those of you who still believe that, in the 8 games he's played, please give me one example...an offensive series.... that would even suggest that he has that potential. 

    @lodilobo said:

    All I have heard from most fans, the local media, and plenty of posters on this board, is how Watson is an elite qb, top 5 in the NFL, BLAH BLAH BLAH....For those of you who still believe that, in the 8 games he's played, please give me one example...an offensive series.... that would even suggest that he has that potential. 

    They can't. It doesn't exist. The Texans knew what they had in him and it wasn't elite by any stretch of the imagination . You don't let an elite, franchise QB (another laughable attribute I've heard) go. They packaged him as a misunderstood victim targeted by some sirens who loved him up and turnt him into a horny toad,put a bow on him and sent him on his way. And who fell for it? The absolute dumbest most incompetent owner and front office in league history. The ONLY thing elevated since Watson's arrival is his bank account. 

  • We only have 5-6 more years of Watson. We've effectively lost 3 entire decades of nfl football. I would never wish injury on anyone, anyone, but Watson will get banged up and we'll get to see DTR. I'm sure DTR will struggle, but it'll be fun to watch. 

    Btw, don't look at Baker's numbers, although Baker plays Philly Sunday and will get his comeuppance. 

  • @ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:

    I'm also with you on this one Larry. There are variables that apply. Do we have a mismatch in game plan and QB ability? Is this something Watson needs game time to rise above?

    I know 2 things for sure. The Browns need a QB, and economics dictates that Watson is going most likely get the entire 2023-24 season to shine or fizzle.

    He's already fizzled!...

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    @nickers said:

    He's already fizzled!...

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     I'm a Bucs and Browns fan. While I admit baker has looked good thru the first two games, we all know what's coming. It's not a question of if. It's a question of when.

    Last night was my first opportunity to see Watson this year. Not impressed at all ?

  • @neo said:

    You're such a fucking douche.

    This is absolutely true.

    But that doesn't mean nickers isn't right about some of the situation either. 

    The Browns (Stefanski) have no idea how to utilize Watson, but that doesn't excuse his poor play across the board. 

    Without Chubb, this IMO is going to get ugly. Stefanski without Chubb is a scary proposition. 

    And I have no doubt that Baker will come crashing towards mediocrity as he always does, but since some on here seem obsessed with their Great White Dope, we'll have to hear about him for years to come. 

    Good times! ?

    @dutch-oven said:

    This is absolutely true.

    But that doesn't mean nickers isn't right about some of the situation either. 

    The Browns (Stefanski) have no idea how to utilize Watson, but that doesn't excuse his poor play across the board. 

    Without Chubb, this IMO is going to get ugly. Stefanski without Chubb is a scary proposition. 

    And I have no doubt that Baker will come crashing towards mediocrity as he always does, but since some on here seem obsessed with their Great White Dope, we'll have to hear about him for years to come. 

    Good times! ?

    Baker would have been just as bad or worse against the Steelers last night. He will shit on himself multiple times this season against better competition.

  • We only have 5-6 more years of Watson. We've effectively lost 3 entire decades of nfl football. I would never wish injury on anyone, anyone, but Watson will get banged up and we'll get to see DTR. I'm sure DTR will struggle, but it'll be fun to watch. 

    Btw, don't look at Baker's numbers, although Baker plays Philly Sunday and will get his comeuppance. 

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Btw, don't look at Baker's numbers, although Baker plays Philly Sunday and will get his comeuppance. 

    Exactly. The savior will get crucified.

  • Yea Watson is trash. Will he suddenly become elite again, seems unlikely.

    I don’t understand the excuses last week either, everybody talks like it was a huge blizzard with white out conditions. It was a light drizzle. 
     

    I’m not very optimistic that we’ll see dramatically better qb play all of a sudden, Watson had numerous games by now and a full training camp. Kevski may not be the best at scheming to his strengths, but baker had his best season under Kevin and even Jacoby brisket looked competent in this offense.

    no excuses for the guy, he’s just playing like ass and we’re stuck with him.

  • We only have 5-6 more years of Watson. We've effectively lost 3 entire decades of nfl football. I would never wish injury on anyone, anyone, but Watson will get banged up and we'll get to see DTR. I'm sure DTR will struggle, but it'll be fun to watch. 

    Btw, don't look at Baker's numbers, although Baker plays Philly Sunday and will get his comeuppance. 

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Btw, don't look at Baker's numbers, although Baker plays Philly Sunday and will get his comeuppance. 

    What did Baker do to deserve a "comeuppance" ? Browns moved on from HIM

    He's just competing trying to take advantage of an opportunity. 

  • @jiggins7919 said:

    Btw, don't look at Baker's numbers, although Baker plays Philly Sunday and will get his comeuppance. 

    What did Baker do to deserve a "comeuppance" ? Browns moved on from HIM

    He's just competing trying to take advantage of an opportunity. 

    @turkey-jones said:

    He's just competing trying to take advantage of an opportunity. 

    Oh, that wasn't what I meant. He doesn't deserve it, I just meant the competition grows very stiff next week, that's all. 

  • Can I spew some positive in this thread?  The last 15 hours have been brutal. 

    After watching Ben R. Beat us down for decades…the Steelers obviously didn’t make the right choice with Kenny P.  

  • Can I spew some positive in this thread?  The last 15 hours have been brutal. 

    After watching Ben R. Beat us down for decades…the Steelers obviously didn’t make the right choice with Kenny P.  

    @sdbacker80 said:

    Can I spew some positive in this thread?  The last 15 hours have been brutal. 

    After watching Ben R. Beat us down for decades…the Steelers obviously didn’t make the right choice with Kenny P.  

    Yeah Pickett is gawd awful...

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    Can I spew some positive in this thread?  The last 15 hours have been brutal. 

    After watching Ben R. Beat us down for decades…the Steelers obviously didn’t make the right choice with Kenny P.  

    Yeah Pickett is gawd awful...

    @nickers said:

    Yeah Pickett is gawd awful...

    I hope he’s their QB for the next decade.