Watson's shoulder
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We're only a 6 point underdog? We'll be farther behind than that after the 1st 9'er drive.
I'll never understand paying 230 million and 3 first round draft picks for a QB, and not mandating that he not allow himself to take a hit. I would've had it written into his contract. If you knowingly take on defenders without sliding and get hurt, 75 million comes off your contract.
It's always been a QB driven league. Without a good one, your team is crap.
We're only a 6 point underdog? We'll be farther behind than that after the 1st 9'er drive.
I'll never understand paying 230 million and 3 first round draft picks for a QB, and not mandating that he not allow himself to take a hit. I would've had it written into his contract. If you knowingly take on defenders without sliding and get hurt, 75 million comes off your contract.
It's always been a QB driven league. Without a good one, your team is crap.
Spot on. I wouldn't change a thing you wrote.
Having said that, the Browns would have been committing to a percentage of the player where fleet of foot created much of the previous success. Now, we're looking at re-wiring the player when we saw our 2 Offensive Tackles getting consistently beat at Pittsburgh. I guess what I'm saying is if they were going after Deshaun Watson to turn him into a stationary Bernie Kosar - I can think of 230 million reasons + 3 1st round draft picks why that's not advisable. This offensive design and coordination the QB has to trust and perform under led to Andrew Berry going on record with "I didn't draft Baker."
IF the Browns kept Baker only 1 more season and remained as bad as popular opinion said he would - the Browns could have been in position to DRAFT CJ Stroud. This means they probably would have drafted Bryce Young instead. Whatever guy they picked would have been at the mercy of the offensive brain trust here. This franchise serial kills young QB careers. Does anyone REALLY think this offensive brain trust is capable of taking the last player of an NFL draft (ie; Brock Purdy) and turning him into one of the most impressive QBs in the league within in his 1st 10-12 regular season starts without a loss? They're not nearly as organized or intelligent. Not even close. And they certainly don't have a FO that would keep a guy like Wills starting as a blindside tackle this long if they cared about QB health or time to throw.
There are QBs in this league where running the ball and breaking tackles is a big part of their game (Allen and Hurts) risky or not. Having said that - Philly has a kickass offensive line because - well, they know WHO they are. They have a philosophy as foundation instead of the Clevelandesque who are we today? Only 1 guy will be held accountable and it probably won't be up as high as the FO as usual. Sorry, just venting...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
230 million baby. Just Imagine if we kept Baker and all them draft picks? We are now in year 1.5 of the DW era and I think it was a bad deal. How are we better than we were with Mayfield??? Honest question. Anyone think we are going to the playoffs this season??? If so...how??
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230 million baby. Just Imagine if we kept Baker and all them draft picks? We are now in year 1.5 of the DW era and I think it was a bad deal. How are we better than we were with Mayfield??? Honest question. Anyone think we are going to the playoffs this season??? If so...how??
230 million baby. Just Imagine if we kept Baker and all them draft picks? We are now in year 1.5 of the DW era and I think it was a bad deal. How are we better than we were with Mayfield??? Honest question. Anyone think we are going to the playoffs this season??? If so...how??
Amazing , isn't it? It's funny watching all the DW4 knob swabbers afford DW all the excuses they wouldn't allow BM to have?.. Now no one here is saying Baker was/is Elite.. But isn't that what DW is supposed to be?... Elite? So far I'm not seeing it.. He's had bad games and a couple decent ones... It's like when someone comes back from a life changing period in life.. Stevie Ray Vaughan for example.. They just aren't the same.. The guitar sound didn't have the same searing nastiness it used to have.. It was a watered down sober version of Stevie.. I'm glad he sobered up... But he lost something... And I think the same has happened to Watson.. Now this injury?.. LMAOOOO!!!!!,,,,,, Atta boy Jimmuh! Keep the bean counters and the lazy happy and healthy....Or UN healthy!...
Maybe they'll give Kevvy a "Participation Award" for his tenure with the Browns
"Isnt Njoku quite the souldja now!! "
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
230 million baby. Just Imagine if we kept Baker and all them draft picks? We are now in year 1.5 of the DW era and I think it was a bad deal. How are we better than we were with Mayfield??? Honest question. Anyone think we are going to the playoffs this season??? If so...how??
230 million baby. Just Imagine if we kept Baker and all them draft picks? We are now in year 1.5 of the DW era and I think it was a bad deal. How are we better than we were with Mayfield??? Honest question. Anyone think we are going to the playoffs this season??? If so...how??
I was against this deal from day one, and was an obvious desperation move by the Browns FO.
If this deal doesn’t pan out, it will set this organization back 5 years and someone needs to get shit canned.
As a Browns fan I hope DW and Stefanski get their shit together…and soon.
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230 million baby. Just Imagine if we kept Baker and all them draft picks? We are now in year 1.5 of the DW era and I think it was a bad deal. How are we better than we were with Mayfield??? Honest question. Anyone think we are going to the playoffs this season??? If so...how??
230 million baby. Just Imagine if we kept Baker and all them draft picks? We are now in year 1.5 of the DW era and I think it was a bad deal. How are we better than we were with Mayfield??? Honest question. Anyone think we are going to the playoffs this season??? If so...how??
True but did Watson hold a pistol to their head to make this happen? If I remember correctly, and maybe I don't, Watson narrowed his hopeful interested teams down to a couple that didn't include Cleveland.
People are choosing to hate the symptoms of a very bad ownership and FO far more than the very bad ownership and FO.
Andrew Berry declared "I didn't draft Baker Mayfield" before he played with the same injury Matt Hasselback had on the shoulder opposite of their throwing arms. Hasselbeck said that injury compromised his mechanics enough for the worst year of his career.
The FO cost themselves the opportunity of landing CJ Stroud in this year's draft by not sticking Baker back in this dumpster fire Depodesta and Stefanski called an offense. IMO, this is what people should be pissed off at more than Watson.
Does anyone REALLY think the last pick in the 2022 draft Brock Purdy would look any different here than DTR looked like vrs Baltimore? Instead, he's employed by a strong ownership, Great GM John Lynch and damn good HC Kyle Shanahan. It's the difference between night and day.
This is Jimmy Haslam's Cleveland Browns...
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We're only a 6 point underdog? We'll be farther behind than that after the 1st 9'er drive.
I'll never understand paying 230 million and 3 first round draft picks for a QB, and not mandating that he not allow himself to take a hit. I would've had it written into his contract. If you knowingly take on defenders without sliding and get hurt, 75 million comes off your contract.
It's always been a QB driven league. Without a good one, your team is crap.
Spot on. I wouldn't change a thing you wrote.
Having said that, the Browns would have been committing to a percentage of the player where fleet of foot created much of the previous success. Now, we're looking at re-wiring the player when we saw our 2 Offensive Tackles getting consistently beat at Pittsburgh. I guess what I'm saying is if they were going after Deshaun Watson to turn him into a stationary Bernie Kosar - I can think of 230 million reasons + 3 1st round draft picks why that's not advisable. This offensive design and coordination the QB has to trust and perform under led to Andrew Berry going on record with "I didn't draft Baker."
IF the Browns kept Baker only 1 more season and remained as bad as popular opinion said he would - the Browns could have been in position to DRAFT CJ Stroud. This means they probably would have drafted Bryce Young instead. Whatever guy they picked would have been at the mercy of the offensive brain trust here. This franchise serial kills young QB careers. Does anyone REALLY think this offensive brain trust is capable of taking the last player of an NFL draft (ie; Brock Purdy) and turning him into one of the most impressive QBs in the league within in his 1st 10-12 regular season starts without a loss? They're not nearly as organized or intelligent. Not even close. And they certainly don't have a FO that would keep a guy like Wills starting as a blindside tackle this long if they cared about QB health or time to throw.
There are QBs in this league where running the ball and breaking tackles is a big part of their game (Allen and Hurts) risky or not. Having said that - Philly has a kickass offensive line because - well, they know WHO they are. They have a philosophy as foundation instead of the Clevelandesque who are we today? Only 1 guy will be held accountable and it probably won't be up as high as the FO as usual. Sorry, just venting...
we're looking at re-wiring the player when we saw our 2 Offensive Tackles getting consistently beat at Pittsburgh. I guess what I'm saying is if they were going after Deshaun Watson to turn him into a stationary Bernie Kosar - I can think of 230 million reasons + 3 1st round draft picks why that's not advisable.
True Dat.
In reality, I'm not saying that he can't run. A QB that can run is an advantage. I'm saying that he cannot take on tacklers. He HAS TO get down and slide. But nope, he's gotta do a Nick Chubb impersonation. It's just not smart.
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And so begins the P.J. Walker era.
JPA@jasrifootball𝗕𝗥𝗘𝗔𝗞𝗜𝗡𝗚: #Browns QB Deshaun Watson is OUT for Sunday’s game vs the #49ers, per @JosinaAnderson
He’s dealing with that shoulder injury.
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And so begins the P.J. Walker era.
JPA@jasrifootball𝗕𝗥𝗘𝗔𝗞𝗜𝗡𝗚: #Browns QB Deshaun Watson is OUT for Sunday’s game vs the #49ers, per @JosinaAnderson
He’s dealing with that shoulder injury.And so begins the P.J. Walker era.
Picking up a new Bentley,.
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we're looking at re-wiring the player when we saw our 2 Offensive Tackles getting consistently beat at Pittsburgh. I guess what I'm saying is if they were going after Deshaun Watson to turn him into a stationary Bernie Kosar - I can think of 230 million reasons + 3 1st round draft picks why that's not advisable.
True Dat.
In reality, I'm not saying that he can't run. A QB that can run is an advantage. I'm saying that he cannot take on tacklers. He HAS TO get down and slide. But nope, he's gotta do a Nick Chubb impersonation. It's just not smart.
True Dat.
In reality, I'm not saying that he can't run. A QB that can run is an advantage. I'm saying that he cannot take on tacklers. He HAS TO get down and slide. But nope, he's gotta do a Nick Chubb impersonation. It's just not smart.
That stuff in bold above from you is a good clarification and it's pretty much where I thought you were on it. Yeah, I join you in not wanting to see him dip a shoulder and/or throw a flipper into defenders downfield. Sometimes I see Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts doing that stuff but they're bigger/stronger/more powerfully built and it looks like both of them are faster than Watson. Hurts won 3 powerlifting meets in the state of Texas when he was in high school and placed high in others. In saying that about both guys, they both have to be careful too. There's been concerns in Buffalo about how frequently Josh likes to run the ball.
When Joe Burrow or Patrick Mahomes have healthy ankles/calves - they're both very elusive and tough to sack. They're smart in how they avoid hits when they escape the pocket. I'd like Watson to be like that. It would be nice to see some bootleg waggle passes/runs for a mobile QB like Watson. Joe Gibbs LOVED the waggle pass when he had Theisman at QB and the Hogs up front. The key to setting up the QB bootlegs is the ideal play-action fakes from the QB who simultaneously hides the ball extremely well until he's outside the pocket with the option to run or throw. If he throws - that side or third of the field has 3 receivers. 1 about 10 yards deep, the next about 20 yards deep and the last about 30-40 yards deep. A receiver lining up on the other side of the formation does a post pattern. It gives the QB nice options. His biggest challenge would be perfecting the playaction which a full season of repetition in practice would make possible.
Anyway, I don't get the sense we have the brain trust to setup and run a competitive offense in the AFC North. Hopefully I'm wrong once again...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I honestly don't know, but how many games did Watson miss in Houston due to injury?
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And so begins the P.J. Walker era.
Picking up a new Bentley,.
Picking up a new Bentley,.
That fricking sucks. I don't believe in curses but this is unbelievable, now that we have a SB calibre defense we lose our starting QB. No offense will start negatively impacting the defense. Not even sure if I'll watch any games with PJ or DTR starting.
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True Dat.
In reality, I'm not saying that he can't run. A QB that can run is an advantage. I'm saying that he cannot take on tacklers. He HAS TO get down and slide. But nope, he's gotta do a Nick Chubb impersonation. It's just not smart.
That stuff in bold above from you is a good clarification and it's pretty much where I thought you were on it. Yeah, I join you in not wanting to see him dip a shoulder and/or throw a flipper into defenders downfield. Sometimes I see Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts doing that stuff but they're bigger/stronger/more powerfully built and it looks like both of them are faster than Watson. Hurts won 3 powerlifting meets in the state of Texas when he was in high school and placed high in others. In saying that about both guys, they both have to be careful too. There's been concerns in Buffalo about how frequently Josh likes to run the ball.
When Joe Burrow or Patrick Mahomes have healthy ankles/calves - they're both very elusive and tough to sack. They're smart in how they avoid hits when they escape the pocket. I'd like Watson to be like that. It would be nice to see some bootleg waggle passes/runs for a mobile QB like Watson. Joe Gibbs LOVED the waggle pass when he had Theisman at QB and the Hogs up front. The key to setting up the QB bootlegs is the ideal play-action fakes from the QB who simultaneously hides the ball extremely well until he's outside the pocket with the option to run or throw. If he throws - that side or third of the field has 3 receivers. 1 about 10 yards deep, the next about 20 yards deep and the last about 30-40 yards deep. A receiver lining up on the other side of the formation does a post pattern. It gives the QB nice options. His biggest challenge would be perfecting the playaction which a full season of repetition in practice would make possible.
Anyway, I don't get the sense we have the brain trust to setup and run a competitive offense in the AFC North. Hopefully I'm wrong once again...
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230 million baby. Just Imagine if we kept Baker and all them draft picks? We are now in year 1.5 of the DW era and I think it was a bad deal. How are we better than we were with Mayfield??? Honest question. Anyone think we are going to the playoffs this season??? If so...how??
Amazing , isn't it? It's funny watching all the DW4 knob swabbers afford DW all the excuses they wouldn't allow BM to have?.. Now no one here is saying Baker was/is Elite.. But isn't that what DW is supposed to be?... Elite? So far I'm not seeing it.. He's had bad games and a couple decent ones... It's like when someone comes back from a life changing period in life.. Stevie Ray Vaughan for example.. They just aren't the same.. The guitar sound didn't have the same searing nastiness it used to have.. It was a watered down sober version of Stevie.. I'm glad he sobered up... But he lost something... And I think the same has happened to Watson.. Now this injury?.. LMAOOOO!!!!!,,,,,, Atta boy Jimmuh! Keep the bean counters and the lazy happy and healthy....Or UN healthy!...
Maybe they'll give Kevvy a "Participation Award" for his tenure with the Browns
"Isnt Njoku quite the souldja now!! "
Amazing , isn't it? It's funny watching all the DW4 knob swabbers afford DW all the excuses they wouldn't allow BM to have?.. Now no one here is saying Baker was/is Elite.. But isn't that what DW is supposed to be?... Elite? So far I'm not seeing it.. He's had bad games and a couple decent ones... It's like when someone comes back from a life changing period in life.. Stevie Ray Vaughan for example.. They just aren't the same.. The guitar sound didn't have the same searing nastiness it used to have.. It was a watered down sober version of Stevie.. I'm glad he sobered up... But he lost something... And I think the same has happened to Watson.. Now this injury?.. LMAOOOO!!!!!,,,,,, Atta boy Jimmuh! Keep the bean counters and the lazy happy and healthy....Or UN healthy!...
Maybe they'll give Kevvy a "Participation Award" for his tenure with the Browns
"Isnt Njoku quite the souldja now!! "
If anyone really cares about Baker Mayfield as a QB - why on earth would they want to keep seeing him play for the offensive brain-trust in Cleveland that has to have Jimmy Haslam's approval signing off on the weekly game plans every Friday?
It doesn't make any sense. He's 3-1 on a schedule that allowed him to beat 2 teams that were 0-3 heading into last Sunday. He's got a 6'6" Mike Evans that's made a bunch of Pro Bowls already with another guy that's frequented Pro Bowls Chris Godwin. He's got a FO and Head Coach that are glad he's there. His new and improved fan-club in here doesn't want that for him?
Just being honest, and I was one of the guys on THIS board that wanted Cleveland to draft Baker Mayfield over Josh Rosen and Josh Allen (ouch!) in 2018. Having said that, I also wanted the Browns to draft Watson in 2017. Both guys led their teams to the playoffs (Baker once & Watson twice in the 3 years he suited up for Houston). IMO, Watson was a more consistent QB than Baker in their 1st contracts. I loved Baker as a rookie throwing 27 TD passes in just 13 starts (not bad for a team coming off 0-16 football); and thought his 26 TD passes to 8 INTs in the 2020 playoff season was good. Having said that, Watson overcame a double-digit deficit to beat Josh Allen and the Bills in 2020. They lost to the Chiefs the next week. He was establishing himself as one of the toughest QBs to beat before Houston imploded.
Against TN - he started to look like the Watson I remembered in Houston. Now he's injured. Welcome to Cleveland!!!!
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True Dat.
In reality, I'm not saying that he can't run. A QB that can run is an advantage. I'm saying that he cannot take on tacklers. He HAS TO get down and slide. But nope, he's gotta do a Nick Chubb impersonation. It's just not smart.
That stuff in bold above from you is a good clarification and it's pretty much where I thought you were on it. Yeah, I join you in not wanting to see him dip a shoulder and/or throw a flipper into defenders downfield. Sometimes I see Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts doing that stuff but they're bigger/stronger/more powerfully built and it looks like both of them are faster than Watson. Hurts won 3 powerlifting meets in the state of Texas when he was in high school and placed high in others. In saying that about both guys, they both have to be careful too. There's been concerns in Buffalo about how frequently Josh likes to run the ball.
When Joe Burrow or Patrick Mahomes have healthy ankles/calves - they're both very elusive and tough to sack. They're smart in how they avoid hits when they escape the pocket. I'd like Watson to be like that. It would be nice to see some bootleg waggle passes/runs for a mobile QB like Watson. Joe Gibbs LOVED the waggle pass when he had Theisman at QB and the Hogs up front. The key to setting up the QB bootlegs is the ideal play-action fakes from the QB who simultaneously hides the ball extremely well until he's outside the pocket with the option to run or throw. If he throws - that side or third of the field has 3 receivers. 1 about 10 yards deep, the next about 20 yards deep and the last about 30-40 yards deep. A receiver lining up on the other side of the formation does a post pattern. It gives the QB nice options. His biggest challenge would be perfecting the playaction which a full season of repetition in practice would make possible.
Anyway, I don't get the sense we have the brain trust to setup and run a competitive offense in the AFC North. Hopefully I'm wrong once again...
Anyway, I don't get the sense we have the brain trust to setup and run a competitive offense in the AFC North. Hopefully I'm wrong once again...
I'm solidly back on the Stefanski and probably the front office will be gone when the season ends bandwagon that I predicted prior to the season starting. I also could see this team making a run if Watson gets healthy, looking at the schedule. ? I don't fucking know anymore.
I guess all I can do is sit back and enjoy the glow of this potential dumpster fire.
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Anyway, I don't get the sense we have the brain trust to setup and run a competitive offense in the AFC North. Hopefully I'm wrong once again...
I'm solidly back on the Stefanski and probably the front office will be gone when the season ends bandwagon that I predicted prior to the season starting. I also could see this team making a run if Watson gets healthy, looking at the schedule. ? I don't fucking know anymore.
I guess all I can do is sit back and enjoy the glow of this potential dumpster fire.
I'm solidly back on the Stefanski and probably the front office will be gone when the season ends bandwagon that I predicted prior to the season starting. I also could see this team making a run if Watson gets healthy, looking at the schedule. ? I don't fucking know anymore.
I guess all I can do is sit back and enjoy the glow of this potential dumpster fire.
?Tell me about it! Last week, I was tempted to go watch the new Exorcist movie after the game to CHEER UP from this freakin team!
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I'm solidly back on the Stefanski and probably the front office will be gone when the season ends bandwagon that I predicted prior to the season starting. I also could see this team making a run if Watson gets healthy, looking at the schedule. ? I don't fucking know anymore.
I guess all I can do is sit back and enjoy the glow of this potential dumpster fire.
?Tell me about it! Last week, I was tempted to go watch the new Exorcist movie after the game to CHEER UP from this freakin team!
?Tell me about it! Last week, I was tempted to go watch the new Exorcist movie after the game to CHEER UP from this freakin team!
I'm honestly glad I'm not going to the 49ers game like I was supposed to. This could be a complete trainwreck.
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Anyway, I don't get the sense we have the brain trust to setup and run a competitive offense in the AFC North. Hopefully I'm wrong once again...
I'm solidly back on the Stefanski and probably the front office will be gone when the season ends bandwagon that I predicted prior to the season starting. I also could see this team making a run if Watson gets healthy, looking at the schedule. ? I don't fucking know anymore.
I guess all I can do is sit back and enjoy the glow of this potential dumpster fire.
I'm solidly back on the Stefanski and probably the front office will be gone when the season ends bandwagon that I predicted prior to the season starting. I also could see this team making a run if Watson gets healthy, looking at the schedule. ? I don't fucking know anymore.
I guess all I can do is sit back and enjoy the glow of this potential dumpster fire.
Stefanski…Jonah Hill…Wills gone…The next HC will have to prove to be a Watson Whisperer and bring him back to prominence.
2025 could be a complete overhaul with a first year QB- Panther esque year
2026 another new HC.
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I'm honestly glad I'm not going to the 49ers game like I was supposed to. This could be a complete trainwreck.
It would have been a good game to bring a sign that says JIMMY REMEMBER KYLE?
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I'm solidly back on the Stefanski and probably the front office will be gone when the season ends bandwagon that I predicted prior to the season starting. I also could see this team making a run if Watson gets healthy, looking at the schedule. ? I don't fucking know anymore.
I guess all I can do is sit back and enjoy the glow of this potential dumpster fire.
Stefanski…Jonah Hill…Wills gone…The next HC will have to prove to be a Watson Whisperer and bring him back to prominence.
2025 could be a complete overhaul with a first year QB- Panther esque year
2026 another new HC.
Stefanski…Jonah Hill…Wills gone…The next HC will have to prove to be a Watson Whisperer and bring him back to prominence.
2025 could be a complete overhaul with a first year QB- Panther esque year
2026 another new HC.
Jonah Hill ? Thank you SdB!
We'll alter the characters some and make Stefanski Brad Pitt. Phillip Seymour Hoffman made an ideal Art Howe. I hung out with Hoffman's older brother Gordon when I was a kid - we lived in the same neighborhood. We all loved baseball and shared 1 thing in common - none of us where any good at it.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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