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  • More escalation

    There were reports from dubious sources a few days ago that Saudis have put a hold on normalizing relations with Israel (goal of the Abraham Accords). Now, this is being reported by Israeli sources, Saudi sources, and Reuters. (Adds pressure to Israel. Reduces pressure on Iran and its proxies.)

    Qatar has joined the UAE in threatening to stop all oil/LNG exports until IDF stops attacking Gaza. Qatar is the world's leading exporter of LNG. (Directly pressures Europe, since they're already getting squeezed by Uncle Sam's Russian sanctions and the sabotage of NordStream. Enthusiasm in Europe for the Ukrainian cause is already waning. Japan has already been buying Russian oil above the EU/US price caps, and I would not be shocked to see European unity on this fall apart.) Scratch that. Qatari officials now denying this. I've been had by fake news. 

    Israel has demanded that everyone in the north of Gaza evacuate. They gave 24 hours warning and that time runs out just about as I am posting this. (Anti-Zionist protests in European cities, not to mention Israel's neighbors, are growing. If Israel goes boots on the ground, as rumored, I suspect that the scope of rioting is going to surpass the George Floyd riots.)

  • More escalation

    There were reports from dubious sources a few days ago that Saudis have put a hold on normalizing relations with Israel (goal of the Abraham Accords). Now, this is being reported by Israeli sources, Saudi sources, and Reuters. (Adds pressure to Israel. Reduces pressure on Iran and its proxies.)

    Qatar has joined the UAE in threatening to stop all oil/LNG exports until IDF stops attacking Gaza. Qatar is the world's leading exporter of LNG. (Directly pressures Europe, since they're already getting squeezed by Uncle Sam's Russian sanctions and the sabotage of NordStream. Enthusiasm in Europe for the Ukrainian cause is already waning. Japan has already been buying Russian oil above the EU/US price caps, and I would not be shocked to see European unity on this fall apart.) Scratch that. Qatari officials now denying this. I've been had by fake news. 

    Israel has demanded that everyone in the north of Gaza evacuate. They gave 24 hours warning and that time runs out just about as I am posting this. (Anti-Zionist protests in European cities, not to mention Israel's neighbors, are growing. If Israel goes boots on the ground, as rumored, I suspect that the scope of rioting is going to surpass the George Floyd riots.)

    @vaportrail said:

    More escalation

    There were reports from dubious sources a few days ago that Saudis have put a hold on normalizing relations with Israel (goal of the Abraham Accords). Now, this is being reported by Israeli sources, Saudi sources, and Reuters. (Adds pressure to Israel. Reduces pressure on Iran and its proxies.)

    Qatar has joined the UAE in threatening to stop all oil/LNG exports until IDF stops attacking Gaza. Qatar is the world's leading exporter of LNG. (Directly pressures Europe, since they're already getting squeezed by Uncle Sam's Russian sanctions and the sabotage of NordStream. Enthusiasm in Europe for the Ukrainian cause is already waning. Japan has already been buying Russian oil above the EU/US price caps, and I would not be shocked to see European unity on this fall apart.)

    Israel has demanded that everyone in the north of Gaza evacuate. They gave 24 hours warning and that time runs out just about as I am posting this. (Anti-Zionist protests in European cities, not to mention Israel's neighbors, are growing. If Israel goes boots on the ground, as rumored, I suspect that the scope of rioting is going to surpass the George Floyd riots.)

    All those nations are terrified of iran. I read where hezbollah met with iran leaders months ago to talk about the upcoming assault on Israel.

    This corrupt biden regime deliberately and stupidly stopped all Trump policies and went with their own opposites.

    Right things have turned into wrong dangerous things, things that led direction to this war.

    it's going to get a lot worse.

  • Escalation 

    -Ambassador of Religion of Peace guns down 3 in Brussels. Manhunt underway.

  • Europe is filled with 'undocumented immigrants' (LOL) from Muslim countries.  

  • Europe is filled with 'undocumented immigrants' (LOL) from Muslim countries.  

    @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

    Europe is filled with 'undocumented immigrants' (LOL) from Muslim countries.  

    The closer you are to a dog the more likely you are to get fleas from him.

    WSS

  • De-escalation 

    -Israel's planned invasion of the Gaza strip on Friday has been postponed. There has been bad weather, pressure from Biden (I will give him credit here) for Israel to make efforts to minimize civilian casualties, and the threat of Hezbollah opening a second front on the Lebanese border when IDF commits its forces to Gaza. Unclear how much each of these factors are weighing in against IDF plans to root out Hamas. 

  • Hamas just had a missile misfire that hit there hospital and are blaming the IDF.  They want Hezbolla to enter the war.  IDF should go ahead with the invasion.

  • N Neo

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    None of what you said about Biden matters. We've seen this poor old man disintegrate on live television and the left would rather have an Alzheimer's patient as president than a competent Republican

    But the republicans can't back a competent person?‍♂️ It really is a shame if it has to comes down to Biden vs Trump again. Why can't we have two different candidates?

    @neo said:

    But the republicans can't back a competent person?‍♂️ It really is a shame if it has to comes down to Biden vs Trump again. Why can't we have two different candidates?

    well, it's because there are NONE in the dem party, and the ones who should run in the rep party don't run , like Sen. John Thune of S. Dakota.

       The great rep candidate do not want to put their family through fake accusations of ...rape or sex assault, don't want their kids attacked, their spouse ridiculed.

      I think it was harry reid that smiled about being caught LYING about Romney - he said he paid zero taxes... it was a deliberate manipulative lie. "it worked, didn;t it?"

  • Hamas just had a missile misfire that hit there hospital and are blaming the IDF.  They want Hezbolla to enter the war.  IDF should go ahead with the invasion.

    @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

    Hamas just had a missile misfire that hit there hospital and are blaming the IDF.  They want Hezbolla to enter the war.  IDF should go ahead with the invasion.

    Escalation

    Hospital was blown up. Palestine claiming 500 dead. Both sides are claiming the other did it. 

    In response,
    -the US embassy in Lebanon now has a massive angry crowd outside of it. Unfortunately for the Americans inside, the size of the crowds looks comparable to the 1979 crisis in Iran
    -The Israeli embassy in Jordan has a similar crowd outside of it. 
    -In Turkey, a very large and angry crowd has gathered outside of both the Israeli embassy and a US military base there. 

    -Turkey's leader Erdogan blames Israel for the attack
    -Israel reportedly calls for all Israelis in Turkey to leave immediately (dubious sources on this one)
    -Jordanian King Abdullah has cancelled planned visit by Biden
    -Egypt is blaming Israel for the hospital bombing

    Fog of war is really bad right now. Very difficult to verify sources. Take everything that is reported by anyone with a grain of salt. 
    Diplomacy appears to be running into a brick wall. The limits of US influence are starting to become obvious. 
    This hospital bombing might be the spark to a regional/global conflict.

    Thread theme:

    All credit to Phil Collins and Genesis (saw em play it live when they were here two years ago), but Disturbed's cover is great. 

  • @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

    Hamas just had a missile misfire that hit there hospital and are blaming the IDF.  They want Hezbolla to enter the war.  IDF should go ahead with the invasion.

    Escalation

    Hospital was blown up. Palestine claiming 500 dead. Both sides are claiming the other did it. 

    In response,
    -the US embassy in Lebanon now has a massive angry crowd outside of it. Unfortunately for the Americans inside, the size of the crowds looks comparable to the 1979 crisis in Iran
    -The Israeli embassy in Jordan has a similar crowd outside of it. 
    -In Turkey, a very large and angry crowd has gathered outside of both the Israeli embassy and a US military base there. 

    -Turkey's leader Erdogan blames Israel for the attack
    -Israel reportedly calls for all Israelis in Turkey to leave immediately (dubious sources on this one)
    -Jordanian King Abdullah has cancelled planned visit by Biden
    -Egypt is blaming Israel for the hospital bombing

    Fog of war is really bad right now. Very difficult to verify sources. Take everything that is reported by anyone with a grain of salt. 
    Diplomacy appears to be running into a brick wall. The limits of US influence are starting to become obvious. 
    This hospital bombing might be the spark to a regional/global conflict.

    Thread theme:

    All credit to Phil Collins and Genesis (saw em play it live when they were here two years ago), but Disturbed's cover is great. 

    @vaportrail said:

    Escalation

    Hospital was blown up. Palestine claiming 500 dead. Both sides are claiming the other did it. 

    In response,
    -the US embassy in Lebanon now has a massive angry crowd outside of it. Unfortunately for the Americans inside, the size of the crowds looks comparable to the 1979 crisis in Iran
    -The Israeli embassy in Jordan has a similar crowd outside of it. 
    -In Turkey, a very large and angry crowd has gathered outside of both the Israeli embassy and a US military base there. 

    -Turkey's leader Erdogan blames Israel for the attack
    -Israel reportedly calls for all Israelis in Turkey to leave immediately (dubious sources on this one)
    -Jordanian King Abdullah has cancelled planned visit by Biden
    -Egypt is blaming Israel for the hospital bombing

    Fog of war is really bad right now. Very difficult to verify sources. Take everything that is reported by anyone with a grain of salt. 
    Diplomacy appears to be running into a brick wall. The limits of US influence are starting to become obvious. 
    This hospital bombing might be the spark to a regional/global conflict.

    Thread theme:

    All credit to Phil Collins and Genesis (saw em play it live when they were here two years ago), but Disturbed's cover is great. 

    Of course they will blame Israel.  Do you ACTUALLY think that Israel would bomb a hospital now of all times?  But all Muslim countries will of course believe it, which will hasten the apocalypse.  

  • @vaportrail said:

    Escalation

    Hospital was blown up. Palestine claiming 500 dead. Both sides are claiming the other did it. 

    In response,
    -the US embassy in Lebanon now has a massive angry crowd outside of it. Unfortunately for the Americans inside, the size of the crowds looks comparable to the 1979 crisis in Iran
    -The Israeli embassy in Jordan has a similar crowd outside of it. 
    -In Turkey, a very large and angry crowd has gathered outside of both the Israeli embassy and a US military base there. 

    -Turkey's leader Erdogan blames Israel for the attack
    -Israel reportedly calls for all Israelis in Turkey to leave immediately (dubious sources on this one)
    -Jordanian King Abdullah has cancelled planned visit by Biden
    -Egypt is blaming Israel for the hospital bombing

    Fog of war is really bad right now. Very difficult to verify sources. Take everything that is reported by anyone with a grain of salt. 
    Diplomacy appears to be running into a brick wall. The limits of US influence are starting to become obvious. 
    This hospital bombing might be the spark to a regional/global conflict.

    Thread theme:

    All credit to Phil Collins and Genesis (saw em play it live when they were here two years ago), but Disturbed's cover is great. 

    Of course they will blame Israel.  Do you ACTUALLY think that Israel would bomb a hospital now of all times?  But all Muslim countries will of course believe it, which will hasten the apocalypse.  

    @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

    Of course they will blame Israel.  Do you ACTUALLY think that Israel would bomb a hospital now of all times?  But all Muslim countries will of course believe it, which will hasten the apocalypse.  

    Seeing as this guy who is part of Netanyahu's digital team, posted the tweet below shortly after the hospital was bombed, I don't think you can rule out IDF responsibility for it. He deleted it after he realized that you can't really spin bombing a hospital into a positive. Likewise, you can't rule out that the IDF may have destroyed a weapons depot that Hamas placed under a hospital. Nor can you rule out that it was a stray Hamas rocket. Whoever is responsible deserves to hang, but ultimately, it doesn't matter because it has set into motion the gears of war. 

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  • @vaportrail said:

    Escalation

    Hospital was blown up. Palestine claiming 500 dead. Both sides are claiming the other did it. 

    In response,
    -the US embassy in Lebanon now has a massive angry crowd outside of it. Unfortunately for the Americans inside, the size of the crowds looks comparable to the 1979 crisis in Iran
    -The Israeli embassy in Jordan has a similar crowd outside of it. 
    -In Turkey, a very large and angry crowd has gathered outside of both the Israeli embassy and a US military base there. 

    -Turkey's leader Erdogan blames Israel for the attack
    -Israel reportedly calls for all Israelis in Turkey to leave immediately (dubious sources on this one)
    -Jordanian King Abdullah has cancelled planned visit by Biden
    -Egypt is blaming Israel for the hospital bombing

    Fog of war is really bad right now. Very difficult to verify sources. Take everything that is reported by anyone with a grain of salt. 
    Diplomacy appears to be running into a brick wall. The limits of US influence are starting to become obvious. 
    This hospital bombing might be the spark to a regional/global conflict.

    Thread theme:

    All credit to Phil Collins and Genesis (saw em play it live when they were here two years ago), but Disturbed's cover is great. 

    Of course they will blame Israel.  Do you ACTUALLY think that Israel would bomb a hospital now of all times?  But all Muslim countries will of course believe it, which will hasten the apocalypse.  

    @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

    Of course they will blame Israel.  Do you ACTUALLY think that Israel would bomb a hospital now of all times?  But all Muslim countries will of course believe it, which will hasten the apocalypse.  

    Yes, I do. Plenty of history and recent comments / actions to say they might.

    "hamas was in the hospital. Trust me"

  • Israel out here committing war crimes and responses are anything from "that's a lie" to "it was a necessary evil" to straight up encouraging genocide 

  • Israel out here committing war crimes and responses are anything from "that's a lie" to "it was a necessary evil" to straight up encouraging genocide 

    @mld-woody said:

    Israel out here committing war crimes and responses are anything from "that's a lie" to "it was a necessary evil" to straight up encouraging genocide 

    Eh, who knows? There could very well have been a weapons depot under that hospital. Even if there was, it doesn't change the outcome. If your mind is already made up, no evidence that comes out is going to change your view. Who did it isn't nearly as important as the real-world consequences of it. 

    Escalation

    Iranian Foreign Minister and diplomatic envoy arrived in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. The Islamic world views Israel's actions as so egregious, that these two countries are willing to stop a 50 year proxy war to meet. (What these two countries decide to do will be the biggest deciding factor for the direction the region goes.) 

  • @mld-woody said:

    Israel out here committing war crimes and responses are anything from "that's a lie" to "it was a necessary evil" to straight up encouraging genocide 

    Eh, who knows? There could very well have been a weapons depot under that hospital. Even if there was, it doesn't change the outcome. If your mind is already made up, no evidence that comes out is going to change your view. Who did it isn't nearly as important as the real-world consequences of it. 

    Escalation

    Iranian Foreign Minister and diplomatic envoy arrived in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. The Islamic world views Israel's actions as so egregious, that these two countries are willing to stop a 50 year proxy war to meet. (What these two countries decide to do will be the biggest deciding factor for the direction the region goes.) 

    @vaportrail said:

    The Islamic world views Israel's actions as so egregious,

    yeah, Israel exists. That's the actions they HATE and want to DESTROY.

    but they think burning babies alive in their cribs, beheading them, raping/murdering women and children, shooting children in front of their parents, torturing them, kidnapping innocent people...

    is not "egrarious" ?

    tell us how that works, Mr. "I'm not taking a side in this war that hamas started brutally"

  • @mld-woody said:

    Israel out here committing war crimes and responses are anything from "that's a lie" to "it was a necessary evil" to straight up encouraging genocide 

    Eh, who knows? There could very well have been a weapons depot under that hospital. Even if there was, it doesn't change the outcome. If your mind is already made up, no evidence that comes out is going to change your view. Who did it isn't nearly as important as the real-world consequences of it. 

    Escalation

    Iranian Foreign Minister and diplomatic envoy arrived in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. The Islamic world views Israel's actions as so egregious, that these two countries are willing to stop a 50 year proxy war to meet. (What these two countries decide to do will be the biggest deciding factor for the direction the region goes.) 

    @vaportrail said:

    Eh, who knows? There could very well have been a weapons depot under that hospital. Even if there was, it doesn't change the outcome. If your mind is already made up, no evidence that comes out is going to change your view. Who did it isn't nearly as important as the real-world consequences of it. 

    Escalation

    Iranian Foreign Minister and diplomatic envoy arrived in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. The Islamic world views Israel's actions as so egregious, that these two countries are willing to stop a 50 year proxy war to meet. (What these two countries decide to do will be the biggest deciding factor for the direction the region goes.) 

    So just a simple answer my friend, you're the president; it's your call, you have both houses, exactly how do you handle the situation?

    WSS

  • @vaportrail said:

    Eh, who knows? There could very well have been a weapons depot under that hospital. Even if there was, it doesn't change the outcome. If your mind is already made up, no evidence that comes out is going to change your view. Who did it isn't nearly as important as the real-world consequences of it. 

    Escalation

    Iranian Foreign Minister and diplomatic envoy arrived in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. The Islamic world views Israel's actions as so egregious, that these two countries are willing to stop a 50 year proxy war to meet. (What these two countries decide to do will be the biggest deciding factor for the direction the region goes.) 

    So just a simple answer my friend, you're the president; it's your call, you have both houses, exactly how do you handle the situation?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    So just a simple answer my friend, you're the president; it's your call, you have both houses, exactly how do you handle the situation?

    WSS

    Immediately stop all financial/military aid to Israel/Palestine, tell them that financial aid will be withheld until hostilities end. Send some of said aid to East Palestine, Ohio and Texas border patrol to emphasize that my priority is Americans, not Middle Easterners. Recall both carrier task forces from the region and respectfully tell our "greatest ally" that the $3B in aid they've received from us every year for the last 10 years should be sufficient for them to defend themselves AND house all the Gazans they've displaced. 

    I'd be impeached immediately because Congress is full of neocons and neoliberals beholden to the military industrial complex who think that we can afford to fight proxy wars against Russia, Iran, and China at the same time. But hey, not my problem. 

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