▪︎ ? The Official [ Browns 39 -at- Colts 38 ] Game 6 Thread ? Oct. 22
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This is wildly petty, but there are no asterisks in this thread title and it bothers me. Can we Mod-ify that?
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After the fumbled pass attempt and Indy recovery I got up and went to gather my tools and use up the remaining sunlight when.........on my way out past the tv, I see that we have it first & goal.
Refs played for the Browns there at the end...but...we'll take it. Hunt still had to get it in from 2 yards out.
Yeah we’ve been on the “let them play” side far too often…remember Christmas in Green Bay a few years back. It was contact. Don’t feel bad Browns fans. The Colts are a really solid team but their secondary is garbage.
Hunt at the 1 with 30 seconds…no timeouts…I got two runs called…he’s by far one of the best weapons inside the 5…didn’t like three passes with the turnover machine behind center.
The Colts are a really solid team but their secondary is garbage.
Hunt at the 1 with 30 seconds…no timeouts…I got two runs called…he’s by far one of the best weapons inside the 5…didn’t like three passes with the turnover machine behind center.
I didn't mind the pass attempts. ( yeah, the fear a bad QB decision ) Because we had the run in our back pocket if there was nobody open.
We now have the tiebreaker over the Colts.
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After the fumbled pass attempt and Indy recovery I got up and went to gather my tools and use up the remaining sunlight when.........on my way out past the tv, I see that we have it first & goal.
Refs played for the Browns there at the end...but...we'll take it. Hunt still had to get it in from 2 yards out.
Yeah we’ve been on the “let them play” side far too often…remember Christmas in Green Bay a few years back. It was contact. Don’t feel bad Browns fans. The Colts are a really solid team but their secondary is garbage.
Hunt at the 1 with 30 seconds…no timeouts…I got two runs called…he’s by far one of the best weapons inside the 5…didn’t like three passes with the turnover machine behind center.
Yeah we’ve been on the “let them play” side far too often…remember Christmas in Green Bay a few years back. It was contact. Don’t feel bad Browns fans. The Colts are a really solid team but their secondary is garbage.
Hunt at the 1 with 30 seconds…no timeouts…I got two runs called…he’s by far one of the best weapons inside the 5…didn’t like three passes with the turnover machine behind center.
Quincy Carrier gave his opinion on the final sequence of playcalling and I tend to agree with him. In summary with 30 secs left and a back up QB more time conserved with throws rather than stuffed runs. Leave the run for last so if it's stuffed it's the end of the game anyway.
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Yeah we’ve been on the “let them play” side far too often…remember Christmas in Green Bay a few years back. It was contact. Don’t feel bad Browns fans. The Colts are a really solid team but their secondary is garbage.
Hunt at the 1 with 30 seconds…no timeouts…I got two runs called…he’s by far one of the best weapons inside the 5…didn’t like three passes with the turnover machine behind center.
Quincy Carrier gave his opinion on the final sequence of playcalling and I tend to agree with him. In summary with 30 secs left and a back up QB more time conserved with throws rather than stuffed runs. Leave the run for last so if it's stuffed it's the end of the game anyway.
Quincy Carrier gave his opinion on the final sequence of playcalling and I tend to agree with him. In summary with 30 secs left and a back up QB more time conserved with throws rather than stuffed runs. Leave the run for last so if it's stuffed it's the end of the game anyway.
Kwence sucks... LOL c'mon man.. All he does is repeat himself over and over like a dolt..
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Yeah we’ve been on the “let them play” side far too often…remember Christmas in Green Bay a few years back. It was contact. Don’t feel bad Browns fans. The Colts are a really solid team but their secondary is garbage.
Hunt at the 1 with 30 seconds…no timeouts…I got two runs called…he’s by far one of the best weapons inside the 5…didn’t like three passes with the turnover machine behind center.
Quincy Carrier gave his opinion on the final sequence of playcalling and I tend to agree with him. In summary with 30 secs left and a back up QB more time conserved with throws rather than stuffed runs. Leave the run for last so if it's stuffed it's the end of the game anyway.
Quincy Carrier gave his opinion on the final sequence of playcalling and I tend to agree with him. In summary with 30 secs left and a back up QB more time conserved with throws rather than stuffed runs. Leave the run for last so if it's stuffed it's the end of the game anyway.
The second play was a shuffle pass into the teeth of the defense with someone not named Hunt I believe. May as well have been a run.
I don’t know…I’d take Hunt twice from the 1.
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I think kevsky play calling was great today. The ford muffed pitch was perfect given the defense scheme, lots of runs. PJ walker is atrocious at actually seeing receivers. I gotta think there’s a free agent out there who can at least throw it in the direction of wide open guys.
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for the love of god bring in a quarterback berry. There’s better guys on the street
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INDIANAPOLIS — Two hours after the Browns stole a stunning 39-38 win on the road over the Indianapolis Colts, a handful of stadium workers assembled a bed at midfield of Lucas Oil Stadium.
I have no idea why there was a bed on the Colts’ logo, but it was certainly appropriate for this wild afternoon. Browns coaches and executives might need to lie down for a minute.
Even the wins are messy right now.
The Browns are 4-2 and running near the front of the pack in a tightly bunched AFC playoff race. They’re getting some questionable officiating calls to finally go their way and they’re figuring out how to win games that for years they always managed to lose.
And yet it’s a five-alarm fire right now at quarterback. Flames are bursting through the roof and bed sheets are hanging out the windows. Deshaun Watson is either hurt and therefore terrible or just terrible and also hurt.
A franchise that backstroked through the bloody waters of a messy shoulder injury to its starting quarterback two years ago is putting on its snorkel and flippers again.
Watson was yanked late in the first quarter Sunday after four series. He took a nasty hit on his right shoulder and he hit his head on the turf, but he cleared concussion protocol and he wasn’t pulled for injury.
He was essentially benched.
“I felt like I wanted to protect him,” Browns coach Kevin Stefanski said. “I did not want to see him get hit. He was hit hard.”
Stefanski can spin this however he wants, but he benched his $230 million quarterback with good reason. Watson was awful and completely ineffective: 1-of-5 for 5 yards and an interception. He should’ve thrown a second pick but had the call overturned on replay because the ball hit the turf.
After missing a month with a bruised rotator cuff, Watson clearly wasn’t fit to play an NFL game. He made terrible decisions with the ball and had no accuracy or velocity.
I’m trying not to break the glass and pull all of the alarms on Watson’s atrocious play to this point because there is a legitimate injury to his throwing shoulder and, more importantly, it won’t do any good.
This is a marriage no divorce attorney will touch. The dead cap hit on Watson means he is the Browns’ quarterback for better or worse through at least 2026. There is no getting out of this. Watson has played one excellent game in 10 chances in a Browns uniform, yet the team can do nothing but cling to the memory of Tennessee Watson and pray at the altar he’ll be like he was against the Titans when he’s healthy.
Exactly when will that be?
Stefanski said Watson will start next week at Seattle, but Watson said he wasn’t sure. How can the Browns count on him right now? Stefanski sounded more confident than the quarterback in terms of where he’s at and if he’ll be ready to play.
“I’m praying that it wasn’t anything worse,” Watson said. “That’s all I can do right now is just continue to send prayers up and see what happens tomorrow.”
In an AFC race that is this tightly contested, every win matters. The Browns have beaten the 49ers and Colts in consecutive weeks with snake oil and circus mirrors. It’s a huge credit to this defense and Myles Garrett, who was jumping over other humans Sunday and played the game of his life with two strip sacks, but the Browns won’t keep this up without better quarterback play. It’s untenable.
That’s why it’s time to call Washington and ask for Jacoby Brissett back.
I can’t believe I just typed that, but it’s actually the best path out of a terrible predicament. Brissett knows Stefanski’s offense better than anyone available and only left town because of money. The Commanders were able to give him $8 million, far more than the Browns could spend for a backup quarterback given the strain Watson is putting on the Browns’ cap sheet in the years ahead.
Reacquiring Brissett now would only cost the Browns the prorated portion of his $3 million base salary — roughly $2 million. They signed Josh Dobbs for a little less than that to be the backup before they were fooled into thinking Dorian Thompson-Robinson was ready to be the No. 2.
Trading for Brissett now would cost them close to what they originally were going to pay Dobbs, and they could likely get him for something close to the fifth-round pick they received from Arizona for Dobbs in August.
Washington has to agree to all of this, of course, and maybe it wants Brissett to continue mentoring Sam Howell. But the Commanders lost again Sunday to fall to 3-4 and are no better than the third-best team in their division. It’s at least tempting for them.
Nobody will confuse Brissett with an elite NFL starting quarterback, but Watson’s lingering shoulder issue has become ambiguous enough that it could derail the entire season.
Trading Dobbs was a mistake. That’s clear now. But the Browns can rectify it for basically the same price, both in currency and trade assets — and Brissett is better than both what they have currently and what Dobbs could’ve offered in the same role.
It makes too much sense not to do. Brissett could land in Cleveland on Tuesday and be ready to start Sunday if necessary.
P.J. Walker, bless his heart, went 0-for-5 on the game-winning drive last week and was 3-for-8 on the winning drive against the Colts, including a four-seam fastball into David Njoku’s face mask on a short shovel pass at the goal line. He previously missed badly on a fourth-down pitch to Jerome Ford in the third quarter that could’ve been a touchdown and instead was a turnover on downs.
That’s 3-for-13 passing in the game’s most critical moments. He has performed admirably the last two weeks and was thrust into another difficult position Sunday after a few practice reps this week, but there’s a reason the Bears cut him despite owing him guaranteed money this year. He’s not a quarterback who can take the Browns to the playoffs if this shoulder injury to Watson continues to linger.
Brissett might not be, either, but he’s better than the other backups on the roster and he’s at least a veteran who can keep the Browns above sea level for the next few weeks if they need him.
Watson is not helping this team right now and, given what we saw Sunday, it’s irresponsible to believe he’ll be ready to play a full game next week. The Browns have a championship-level defense and a practice squad quarterback.
Brissett at least buys the Browns more time, however long it takes, to get Watson ready to play. And if he’s still throwing it into the ground and to the other team when his shoulder is healthy?
We’re not there yet. But grab the ax and hose. Just in case.
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INDIANAPOLIS — Two hours after the Browns stole a stunning 39-38 win on the road over the Indianapolis Colts, a handful of stadium workers assembled a bed at midfield of Lucas Oil Stadium.
I have no idea why there was a bed on the Colts’ logo, but it was certainly appropriate for this wild afternoon. Browns coaches and executives might need to lie down for a minute.
Even the wins are messy right now.
The Browns are 4-2 and running near the front of the pack in a tightly bunched AFC playoff race. They’re getting some questionable officiating calls to finally go their way and they’re figuring out how to win games that for years they always managed to lose.
And yet it’s a five-alarm fire right now at quarterback. Flames are bursting through the roof and bed sheets are hanging out the windows. Deshaun Watson is either hurt and therefore terrible or just terrible and also hurt.
A franchise that backstroked through the bloody waters of a messy shoulder injury to its starting quarterback two years ago is putting on its snorkel and flippers again.
Watson was yanked late in the first quarter Sunday after four series. He took a nasty hit on his right shoulder and he hit his head on the turf, but he cleared concussion protocol and he wasn’t pulled for injury.
He was essentially benched.
“I felt like I wanted to protect him,” Browns coach Kevin Stefanski said. “I did not want to see him get hit. He was hit hard.”
Stefanski can spin this however he wants, but he benched his $230 million quarterback with good reason. Watson was awful and completely ineffective: 1-of-5 for 5 yards and an interception. He should’ve thrown a second pick but had the call overturned on replay because the ball hit the turf.
After missing a month with a bruised rotator cuff, Watson clearly wasn’t fit to play an NFL game. He made terrible decisions with the ball and had no accuracy or velocity.
I’m trying not to break the glass and pull all of the alarms on Watson’s atrocious play to this point because there is a legitimate injury to his throwing shoulder and, more importantly, it won’t do any good.
This is a marriage no divorce attorney will touch. The dead cap hit on Watson means he is the Browns’ quarterback for better or worse through at least 2026. There is no getting out of this. Watson has played one excellent game in 10 chances in a Browns uniform, yet the team can do nothing but cling to the memory of Tennessee Watson and pray at the altar he’ll be like he was against the Titans when he’s healthy.
Exactly when will that be?
Stefanski said Watson will start next week at Seattle, but Watson said he wasn’t sure. How can the Browns count on him right now? Stefanski sounded more confident than the quarterback in terms of where he’s at and if he’ll be ready to play.
“I’m praying that it wasn’t anything worse,” Watson said. “That’s all I can do right now is just continue to send prayers up and see what happens tomorrow.”
In an AFC race that is this tightly contested, every win matters. The Browns have beaten the 49ers and Colts in consecutive weeks with snake oil and circus mirrors. It’s a huge credit to this defense and Myles Garrett, who was jumping over other humans Sunday and played the game of his life with two strip sacks, but the Browns won’t keep this up without better quarterback play. It’s untenable.
That’s why it’s time to call Washington and ask for Jacoby Brissett back.
I can’t believe I just typed that, but it’s actually the best path out of a terrible predicament. Brissett knows Stefanski’s offense better than anyone available and only left town because of money. The Commanders were able to give him $8 million, far more than the Browns could spend for a backup quarterback given the strain Watson is putting on the Browns’ cap sheet in the years ahead.
Reacquiring Brissett now would only cost the Browns the prorated portion of his $3 million base salary — roughly $2 million. They signed Josh Dobbs for a little less than that to be the backup before they were fooled into thinking Dorian Thompson-Robinson was ready to be the No. 2.
Trading for Brissett now would cost them close to what they originally were going to pay Dobbs, and they could likely get him for something close to the fifth-round pick they received from Arizona for Dobbs in August.
Washington has to agree to all of this, of course, and maybe it wants Brissett to continue mentoring Sam Howell. But the Commanders lost again Sunday to fall to 3-4 and are no better than the third-best team in their division. It’s at least tempting for them.
Nobody will confuse Brissett with an elite NFL starting quarterback, but Watson’s lingering shoulder issue has become ambiguous enough that it could derail the entire season.
Trading Dobbs was a mistake. That’s clear now. But the Browns can rectify it for basically the same price, both in currency and trade assets — and Brissett is better than both what they have currently and what Dobbs could’ve offered in the same role.
It makes too much sense not to do. Brissett could land in Cleveland on Tuesday and be ready to start Sunday if necessary.
P.J. Walker, bless his heart, went 0-for-5 on the game-winning drive last week and was 3-for-8 on the winning drive against the Colts, including a four-seam fastball into David Njoku’s face mask on a short shovel pass at the goal line. He previously missed badly on a fourth-down pitch to Jerome Ford in the third quarter that could’ve been a touchdown and instead was a turnover on downs.
That’s 3-for-13 passing in the game’s most critical moments. He has performed admirably the last two weeks and was thrust into another difficult position Sunday after a few practice reps this week, but there’s a reason the Bears cut him despite owing him guaranteed money this year. He’s not a quarterback who can take the Browns to the playoffs if this shoulder injury to Watson continues to linger.
Brissett might not be, either, but he’s better than the other backups on the roster and he’s at least a veteran who can keep the Browns above sea level for the next few weeks if they need him.
Watson is not helping this team right now and, given what we saw Sunday, it’s irresponsible to believe he’ll be ready to play a full game next week. The Browns have a championship-level defense and a practice squad quarterback.
Brissett at least buys the Browns more time, however long it takes, to get Watson ready to play. And if he’s still throwing it into the ground and to the other team when his shoulder is healthy?
We’re not there yet. But grab the ax and hose. Just in case.
INDIANAPOLIS — Two hours after the Browns stole a stunning 39-38 win on the road over the Indianapolis Colts, a handful of stadium workers assembled a bed at midfield of Lucas Oil Stadium.
I have no idea why there was a bed on the Colts’ logo, but it was certainly appropriate for this wild afternoon. Browns coaches and executives might need to lie down for a minute.
Even the wins are messy right now.
The Browns are 4-2 and running near the front of the pack in a tightly bunched AFC playoff race. They’re getting some questionable officiating calls to finally go their way and they’re figuring out how to win games that for years they always managed to lose.
And yet it’s a five-alarm fire right now at quarterback. Flames are bursting through the roof and bed sheets are hanging out the windows. Deshaun Watson is either hurt and therefore terrible or just terrible and also hurt.
A franchise that backstroked through the bloody waters of a messy shoulder injury to its starting quarterback two years ago is putting on its snorkel and flippers again.
Watson was yanked late in the first quarter Sunday after four series. He took a nasty hit on his right shoulder and he hit his head on the turf, but he cleared concussion protocol and he wasn’t pulled for injury.
He was essentially benched.
“I felt like I wanted to protect him,” Browns coach Kevin Stefanski said. “I did not want to see him get hit. He was hit hard.”
Stefanski can spin this however he wants, but he benched his $230 million quarterback with good reason. Watson was awful and completely ineffective: 1-of-5 for 5 yards and an interception. He should’ve thrown a second pick but had the call overturned on replay because the ball hit the turf.
After missing a month with a bruised rotator cuff, Watson clearly wasn’t fit to play an NFL game. He made terrible decisions with the ball and had no accuracy or velocity.
I’m trying not to break the glass and pull all of the alarms on Watson’s atrocious play to this point because there is a legitimate injury to his throwing shoulder and, more importantly, it won’t do any good.
This is a marriage no divorce attorney will touch. The dead cap hit on Watson means he is the Browns’ quarterback for better or worse through at least 2026. There is no getting out of this. Watson has played one excellent game in 10 chances in a Browns uniform, yet the team can do nothing but cling to the memory of Tennessee Watson and pray at the altar he’ll be like he was against the Titans when he’s healthy.
Exactly when will that be?
Stefanski said Watson will start next week at Seattle, but Watson said he wasn’t sure. How can the Browns count on him right now? Stefanski sounded more confident than the quarterback in terms of where he’s at and if he’ll be ready to play.
“I’m praying that it wasn’t anything worse,” Watson said. “That’s all I can do right now is just continue to send prayers up and see what happens tomorrow.”
In an AFC race that is this tightly contested, every win matters. The Browns have beaten the 49ers and Colts in consecutive weeks with snake oil and circus mirrors. It’s a huge credit to this defense and Myles Garrett, who was jumping over other humans Sunday and played the game of his life with two strip sacks, but the Browns won’t keep this up without better quarterback play. It’s untenable.
That’s why it’s time to call Washington and ask for Jacoby Brissett back.
I can’t believe I just typed that, but it’s actually the best path out of a terrible predicament. Brissett knows Stefanski’s offense better than anyone available and only left town because of money. The Commanders were able to give him $8 million, far more than the Browns could spend for a backup quarterback given the strain Watson is putting on the Browns’ cap sheet in the years ahead.
Reacquiring Brissett now would only cost the Browns the prorated portion of his $3 million base salary — roughly $2 million. They signed Josh Dobbs for a little less than that to be the backup before they were fooled into thinking Dorian Thompson-Robinson was ready to be the No. 2.
Trading for Brissett now would cost them close to what they originally were going to pay Dobbs, and they could likely get him for something close to the fifth-round pick they received from Arizona for Dobbs in August.
Washington has to agree to all of this, of course, and maybe it wants Brissett to continue mentoring Sam Howell. But the Commanders lost again Sunday to fall to 3-4 and are no better than the third-best team in their division. It’s at least tempting for them.
Nobody will confuse Brissett with an elite NFL starting quarterback, but Watson’s lingering shoulder issue has become ambiguous enough that it could derail the entire season.
Trading Dobbs was a mistake. That’s clear now. But the Browns can rectify it for basically the same price, both in currency and trade assets — and Brissett is better than both what they have currently and what Dobbs could’ve offered in the same role.
It makes too much sense not to do. Brissett could land in Cleveland on Tuesday and be ready to start Sunday if necessary.
P.J. Walker, bless his heart, went 0-for-5 on the game-winning drive last week and was 3-for-8 on the winning drive against the Colts, including a four-seam fastball into David Njoku’s face mask on a short shovel pass at the goal line. He previously missed badly on a fourth-down pitch to Jerome Ford in the third quarter that could’ve been a touchdown and instead was a turnover on downs.
That’s 3-for-13 passing in the game’s most critical moments. He has performed admirably the last two weeks and was thrust into another difficult position Sunday after a few practice reps this week, but there’s a reason the Bears cut him despite owing him guaranteed money this year. He’s not a quarterback who can take the Browns to the playoffs if this shoulder injury to Watson continues to linger.
Brissett might not be, either, but he’s better than the other backups on the roster and he’s at least a veteran who can keep the Browns above sea level for the next few weeks if they need him.
Watson is not helping this team right now and, given what we saw Sunday, it’s irresponsible to believe he’ll be ready to play a full game next week. The Browns have a championship-level defense and a practice squad quarterback.
Brissett at least buys the Browns more time, however long it takes, to get Watson ready to play. And if he’s still throwing it into the ground and to the other team when his shoulder is healthy?
We’re not there yet. But grab the ax and hose. Just in case.
This is spot on.
I'm sure the Browns are & have been making phone calls You have to have a willing trade partner. Washington most likely ups it's price due to the Browns need.
Right now, it's a lot like buying a new car because your other one is a lemon. You know you're going to overpay.
We will see. Did this contract anger the 31 other owners so much that they won't want to aid Haslam's team?
Damn. As fans there's not much we can do about it.
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INDIANAPOLIS — Two hours after the Browns stole a stunning 39-38 win on the road over the Indianapolis Colts, a handful of stadium workers assembled a bed at midfield of Lucas Oil Stadium.
I have no idea why there was a bed on the Colts’ logo, but it was certainly appropriate for this wild afternoon. Browns coaches and executives might need to lie down for a minute.
Even the wins are messy right now.
The Browns are 4-2 and running near the front of the pack in a tightly bunched AFC playoff race. They’re getting some questionable officiating calls to finally go their way and they’re figuring out how to win games that for years they always managed to lose.
And yet it’s a five-alarm fire right now at quarterback. Flames are bursting through the roof and bed sheets are hanging out the windows. Deshaun Watson is either hurt and therefore terrible or just terrible and also hurt.
A franchise that backstroked through the bloody waters of a messy shoulder injury to its starting quarterback two years ago is putting on its snorkel and flippers again.
Watson was yanked late in the first quarter Sunday after four series. He took a nasty hit on his right shoulder and he hit his head on the turf, but he cleared concussion protocol and he wasn’t pulled for injury.
He was essentially benched.
“I felt like I wanted to protect him,” Browns coach Kevin Stefanski said. “I did not want to see him get hit. He was hit hard.”
Stefanski can spin this however he wants, but he benched his $230 million quarterback with good reason. Watson was awful and completely ineffective: 1-of-5 for 5 yards and an interception. He should’ve thrown a second pick but had the call overturned on replay because the ball hit the turf.
After missing a month with a bruised rotator cuff, Watson clearly wasn’t fit to play an NFL game. He made terrible decisions with the ball and had no accuracy or velocity.
I’m trying not to break the glass and pull all of the alarms on Watson’s atrocious play to this point because there is a legitimate injury to his throwing shoulder and, more importantly, it won’t do any good.
This is a marriage no divorce attorney will touch. The dead cap hit on Watson means he is the Browns’ quarterback for better or worse through at least 2026. There is no getting out of this. Watson has played one excellent game in 10 chances in a Browns uniform, yet the team can do nothing but cling to the memory of Tennessee Watson and pray at the altar he’ll be like he was against the Titans when he’s healthy.
Exactly when will that be?
Stefanski said Watson will start next week at Seattle, but Watson said he wasn’t sure. How can the Browns count on him right now? Stefanski sounded more confident than the quarterback in terms of where he’s at and if he’ll be ready to play.
“I’m praying that it wasn’t anything worse,” Watson said. “That’s all I can do right now is just continue to send prayers up and see what happens tomorrow.”
In an AFC race that is this tightly contested, every win matters. The Browns have beaten the 49ers and Colts in consecutive weeks with snake oil and circus mirrors. It’s a huge credit to this defense and Myles Garrett, who was jumping over other humans Sunday and played the game of his life with two strip sacks, but the Browns won’t keep this up without better quarterback play. It’s untenable.
That’s why it’s time to call Washington and ask for Jacoby Brissett back.
I can’t believe I just typed that, but it’s actually the best path out of a terrible predicament. Brissett knows Stefanski’s offense better than anyone available and only left town because of money. The Commanders were able to give him $8 million, far more than the Browns could spend for a backup quarterback given the strain Watson is putting on the Browns’ cap sheet in the years ahead.
Reacquiring Brissett now would only cost the Browns the prorated portion of his $3 million base salary — roughly $2 million. They signed Josh Dobbs for a little less than that to be the backup before they were fooled into thinking Dorian Thompson-Robinson was ready to be the No. 2.
Trading for Brissett now would cost them close to what they originally were going to pay Dobbs, and they could likely get him for something close to the fifth-round pick they received from Arizona for Dobbs in August.
Washington has to agree to all of this, of course, and maybe it wants Brissett to continue mentoring Sam Howell. But the Commanders lost again Sunday to fall to 3-4 and are no better than the third-best team in their division. It’s at least tempting for them.
Nobody will confuse Brissett with an elite NFL starting quarterback, but Watson’s lingering shoulder issue has become ambiguous enough that it could derail the entire season.
Trading Dobbs was a mistake. That’s clear now. But the Browns can rectify it for basically the same price, both in currency and trade assets — and Brissett is better than both what they have currently and what Dobbs could’ve offered in the same role.
It makes too much sense not to do. Brissett could land in Cleveland on Tuesday and be ready to start Sunday if necessary.
P.J. Walker, bless his heart, went 0-for-5 on the game-winning drive last week and was 3-for-8 on the winning drive against the Colts, including a four-seam fastball into David Njoku’s face mask on a short shovel pass at the goal line. He previously missed badly on a fourth-down pitch to Jerome Ford in the third quarter that could’ve been a touchdown and instead was a turnover on downs.
That’s 3-for-13 passing in the game’s most critical moments. He has performed admirably the last two weeks and was thrust into another difficult position Sunday after a few practice reps this week, but there’s a reason the Bears cut him despite owing him guaranteed money this year. He’s not a quarterback who can take the Browns to the playoffs if this shoulder injury to Watson continues to linger.
Brissett might not be, either, but he’s better than the other backups on the roster and he’s at least a veteran who can keep the Browns above sea level for the next few weeks if they need him.
Watson is not helping this team right now and, given what we saw Sunday, it’s irresponsible to believe he’ll be ready to play a full game next week. The Browns have a championship-level defense and a practice squad quarterback.
Brissett at least buys the Browns more time, however long it takes, to get Watson ready to play. And if he’s still throwing it into the ground and to the other team when his shoulder is healthy?
We’re not there yet. But grab the ax and hose. Just in case.
This is spot on.
I'm sure the Browns are & have been making phone calls You have to have a willing trade partner. Washington most likely ups it's price due to the Browns need.
Right now, it's a lot like buying a new car because your other one is a lemon. You know you're going to overpay.
We will see. Did this contract anger the 31 other owners so much that they won't want to aid Haslam's team?
Damn. As fans there's not much we can do about it.
This is spot on.
I'm sure the Browns are & have been making phone calls You have to have a willing trade partner. Washington most likely ups it's price due to the Browns need.
Right now, it's a lot like buying a new car because your other one is a lemon. You know you're going to overpay.
We will see. Did this contract anger the 31 other owners so much that they won't want to aid Haslam's team?
Damn. As fans there's not much we can do about it.
Yep, other GMs know the Browns will have to pay dearly for a Chevy Nova repatriated from Mexico or some such place (BTW "No va" means doesn't go in Spanish). ?
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INDIANAPOLIS — Two hours after the Browns stole a stunning 39-38 win on the road over the Indianapolis Colts, a handful of stadium workers assembled a bed at midfield of Lucas Oil Stadium.
I have no idea why there was a bed on the Colts’ logo, but it was certainly appropriate for this wild afternoon. Browns coaches and executives might need to lie down for a minute.
Even the wins are messy right now.
The Browns are 4-2 and running near the front of the pack in a tightly bunched AFC playoff race. They’re getting some questionable officiating calls to finally go their way and they’re figuring out how to win games that for years they always managed to lose.
And yet it’s a five-alarm fire right now at quarterback. Flames are bursting through the roof and bed sheets are hanging out the windows. Deshaun Watson is either hurt and therefore terrible or just terrible and also hurt.
A franchise that backstroked through the bloody waters of a messy shoulder injury to its starting quarterback two years ago is putting on its snorkel and flippers again.
Watson was yanked late in the first quarter Sunday after four series. He took a nasty hit on his right shoulder and he hit his head on the turf, but he cleared concussion protocol and he wasn’t pulled for injury.
He was essentially benched.
“I felt like I wanted to protect him,” Browns coach Kevin Stefanski said. “I did not want to see him get hit. He was hit hard.”
Stefanski can spin this however he wants, but he benched his $230 million quarterback with good reason. Watson was awful and completely ineffective: 1-of-5 for 5 yards and an interception. He should’ve thrown a second pick but had the call overturned on replay because the ball hit the turf.
After missing a month with a bruised rotator cuff, Watson clearly wasn’t fit to play an NFL game. He made terrible decisions with the ball and had no accuracy or velocity.
I’m trying not to break the glass and pull all of the alarms on Watson’s atrocious play to this point because there is a legitimate injury to his throwing shoulder and, more importantly, it won’t do any good.
This is a marriage no divorce attorney will touch. The dead cap hit on Watson means he is the Browns’ quarterback for better or worse through at least 2026. There is no getting out of this. Watson has played one excellent game in 10 chances in a Browns uniform, yet the team can do nothing but cling to the memory of Tennessee Watson and pray at the altar he’ll be like he was against the Titans when he’s healthy.
Exactly when will that be?
Stefanski said Watson will start next week at Seattle, but Watson said he wasn’t sure. How can the Browns count on him right now? Stefanski sounded more confident than the quarterback in terms of where he’s at and if he’ll be ready to play.
“I’m praying that it wasn’t anything worse,” Watson said. “That’s all I can do right now is just continue to send prayers up and see what happens tomorrow.”
In an AFC race that is this tightly contested, every win matters. The Browns have beaten the 49ers and Colts in consecutive weeks with snake oil and circus mirrors. It’s a huge credit to this defense and Myles Garrett, who was jumping over other humans Sunday and played the game of his life with two strip sacks, but the Browns won’t keep this up without better quarterback play. It’s untenable.
That’s why it’s time to call Washington and ask for Jacoby Brissett back.
I can’t believe I just typed that, but it’s actually the best path out of a terrible predicament. Brissett knows Stefanski’s offense better than anyone available and only left town because of money. The Commanders were able to give him $8 million, far more than the Browns could spend for a backup quarterback given the strain Watson is putting on the Browns’ cap sheet in the years ahead.
Reacquiring Brissett now would only cost the Browns the prorated portion of his $3 million base salary — roughly $2 million. They signed Josh Dobbs for a little less than that to be the backup before they were fooled into thinking Dorian Thompson-Robinson was ready to be the No. 2.
Trading for Brissett now would cost them close to what they originally were going to pay Dobbs, and they could likely get him for something close to the fifth-round pick they received from Arizona for Dobbs in August.
Washington has to agree to all of this, of course, and maybe it wants Brissett to continue mentoring Sam Howell. But the Commanders lost again Sunday to fall to 3-4 and are no better than the third-best team in their division. It’s at least tempting for them.
Nobody will confuse Brissett with an elite NFL starting quarterback, but Watson’s lingering shoulder issue has become ambiguous enough that it could derail the entire season.
Trading Dobbs was a mistake. That’s clear now. But the Browns can rectify it for basically the same price, both in currency and trade assets — and Brissett is better than both what they have currently and what Dobbs could’ve offered in the same role.
It makes too much sense not to do. Brissett could land in Cleveland on Tuesday and be ready to start Sunday if necessary.
P.J. Walker, bless his heart, went 0-for-5 on the game-winning drive last week and was 3-for-8 on the winning drive against the Colts, including a four-seam fastball into David Njoku’s face mask on a short shovel pass at the goal line. He previously missed badly on a fourth-down pitch to Jerome Ford in the third quarter that could’ve been a touchdown and instead was a turnover on downs.
That’s 3-for-13 passing in the game’s most critical moments. He has performed admirably the last two weeks and was thrust into another difficult position Sunday after a few practice reps this week, but there’s a reason the Bears cut him despite owing him guaranteed money this year. He’s not a quarterback who can take the Browns to the playoffs if this shoulder injury to Watson continues to linger.
Brissett might not be, either, but he’s better than the other backups on the roster and he’s at least a veteran who can keep the Browns above sea level for the next few weeks if they need him.
Watson is not helping this team right now and, given what we saw Sunday, it’s irresponsible to believe he’ll be ready to play a full game next week. The Browns have a championship-level defense and a practice squad quarterback.
Brissett at least buys the Browns more time, however long it takes, to get Watson ready to play. And if he’s still throwing it into the ground and to the other team when his shoulder is healthy?
We’re not there yet. But grab the ax and hose. Just in case.
This is spot on.
I'm sure the Browns are & have been making phone calls You have to have a willing trade partner. Washington most likely ups it's price due to the Browns need.
Right now, it's a lot like buying a new car because your other one is a lemon. You know you're going to overpay.
We will see. Did this contract anger the 31 other owners so much that they won't want to aid Haslam's team?
Damn. As fans there's not much we can do about it.
This is spot on.
I'm sure the Browns are & have been making phone calls You have to have a willing trade partner. Washington most likely ups it's price due to the Browns need.
Right now, it's a lot like buying a new car because your other one is a lemon. You know you're going to overpay.
We will see. Did this contract anger the 31 other owners so much that they won't want to aid Haslam's team?
Damn. As fans there's not much we can do about it.
I get as well that Jacoby isn't a guy you'll offer the max deal to. But it's also worth noting that in 11 games played Brissett was 8th in the league in total QBR, above both of the big dog QB's in our division. that stat is for sure a bit flawed as the latter played several more games, but Brissett could easily lead this team to significant success and would only need a short time to get on his feet.
I rarely overhype potential moves but this one in particular is worth exploring heavily.
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This is spot on.
I'm sure the Browns are & have been making phone calls You have to have a willing trade partner. Washington most likely ups it's price due to the Browns need.
Right now, it's a lot like buying a new car because your other one is a lemon. You know you're going to overpay.
We will see. Did this contract anger the 31 other owners so much that they won't want to aid Haslam's team?
Damn. As fans there's not much we can do about it.
I get as well that Jacoby isn't a guy you'll offer the max deal to. But it's also worth noting that in 11 games played Brissett was 8th in the league in total QBR, above both of the big dog QB's in our division. that stat is for sure a bit flawed as the latter played several more games, but Brissett could easily lead this team to significant success and would only need a short time to get on his feet.
I rarely overhype potential moves but this one in particular is worth exploring heavily.
I get as well that Jacoby isn't a guy you'll offer the max deal to. But it's also worth noting that in 11 games played Brissett was 8th in the league in total QBR, above both of the big dog QB's in our division. that stat is for sure a bit flawed as the latter played several more games, but Brissett could easily lead this team to significant success and would only need a short time to get on his feet.
I rarely overhype potential moves but this one in particular is worth exploring heavily.
Brisket fits in well to stefanskis offense, though bringing him back will make fans even more hostile to Deshaun if he finally starts playing again.
But what would be a browns season without people demanding the backup. After all, some did demand DTR after week 1. That’d be amplified x 100 with brisket.
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I get as well that Jacoby isn't a guy you'll offer the max deal to. But it's also worth noting that in 11 games played Brissett was 8th in the league in total QBR, above both of the big dog QB's in our division. that stat is for sure a bit flawed as the latter played several more games, but Brissett could easily lead this team to significant success and would only need a short time to get on his feet.
I rarely overhype potential moves but this one in particular is worth exploring heavily.
Brisket fits in well to stefanskis offense, though bringing him back will make fans even more hostile to Deshaun if he finally starts playing again.
But what would be a browns season without people demanding the backup. After all, some did demand DTR after week 1. That’d be amplified x 100 with brisket.
Brisket fits in well to stefanskis offense, though bringing him back will make fans even more hostile to Deshaun if he finally starts playing again.
But what would be a browns season without people demanding the backup. After all, some did demand DTR after week 1. That’d be amplified x 100 with brisket.
Fuck Deshauns feelngs... He's washed up...
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That’s my QB! ?
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
How many dropped from coronaries out there? Ending with a strip sack makes it special. And thank goodness I picked up K.H. in my FFL supplemental draft and played him!!
How many dropped from coronaries out there? Ending with a strip sack makes it special. And thank goodness I picked up K.H. in my FFL supplemental draft and played him!!
Finally have the time to comment. I was at the game, along with thousands of other Browns fans. Don't know if the DEFENSE!! chants made it through on TV. FWIW, the Colts tried some karma on the Browns, they were previously unbeaten at Lucas Oil with the roof open and the window closed. I was pretty shocked that they had the roof open, it was a little chilly tailgating earler in the morning with temperatures in the 40s.
Yeah Tex, I was about ill the way the Browns were playing despite getting points off of turnovers, we couldn't stop their running game, and coverage breakdowns in the secondary gave Indy a couple of cheap touchdowns.
I had no hope on our game winning drive, hats off to the refs for gift wraping the game for Cleveland with a couple horrible calls. Leaving the stadium it almost didn't feel like a win. But to quote Mike Tomlin "I'm not going to make excuses for a win."
Were the Browns over confident? Maybe. I among others, thought the Browns were going to roll into Indianapolis and steamroll the Colts. The team that beat the Ravens that subsequently clocked us. ?
We can't expect to win every week on dumb luck and great kicking....
To be continued...
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I get as well that Jacoby isn't a guy you'll offer the max deal to. But it's also worth noting that in 11 games played Brissett was 8th in the league in total QBR, above both of the big dog QB's in our division. that stat is for sure a bit flawed as the latter played several more games, but Brissett could easily lead this team to significant success and would only need a short time to get on his feet.
I rarely overhype potential moves but this one in particular is worth exploring heavily.
Brisket fits in well to stefanskis offense, though bringing him back will make fans even more hostile to Deshaun if he finally starts playing again.
But what would be a browns season without people demanding the backup. After all, some did demand DTR after week 1. That’d be amplified x 100 with brisket.
Brisket fits in well to stefanskis offense, though bringing him back will make fans even more hostile to Deshaun if he finally starts playing again.
But what would be a browns season without people demanding the backup. After all, some did demand DTR after week 1. That’d be amplified x 100 with brisket.
To be honest, my sentiments come from the rational position of thinking Watson will miss several more games. I know Stefanski said he's the guy Sunday, but IDK. Getting 3-4 games of even slightly above average QB could be incredibly important, especially against the division.
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Some other thoughts. Yep, Watson looked terrible even before he got hit. Almost shot putting the ball, and his accuracy was off too. Yeah nickers, I know you think he's washed up- but that albatross contract the Browns gave him means they're married to him for at least several more years. You had better hope that you're wrong about DW.
Thing is, the Browns need Watson to play at somewhere close to his former pro bowl level to be in the playoff race. Who knows if that shoulder injury is going to turn into a chronic issue. For sure, we're not going to travel to that house of horrors in Seattle where the Browns have historically played like crap- and think we have a prayer with Walker at quarterback again. He is who he is, a practice squad type of guy.
I agree that Berry should start working the phones to try and find an upgrade, but it's going to cost us. We got suckered into thinking in preseason that DTR was ready for prime time, turns out he clearly wasn't.
Finally, I certainly hope that Ward's "head injury" isn't yet again another concussion. If it is, it could shelf him for a month, if not for good. I love the guy, I've mentioned he went to the same high school as my niece and nephew... But sometimes you just have to think about life after football. ?
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Some other thoughts. Yep, Watson looked terrible even before he got hit. Almost shot putting the ball, and his accuracy was off too. Yeah nickers, I know you think he's washed up- but that albatross contract the Browns gave him means they're married to him for at least several more years. You had better hope that you're wrong about DW.
Thing is, the Browns need Watson to play at somewhere close to his former pro bowl level to be in the playoff race. Who knows if that shoulder injury is going to turn into a chronic issue. For sure, we're not going to travel to that house of horrors in Seattle where the Browns have historically played like crap- and think we have a prayer with Walker at quarterback again. He is who he is, a practice squad type of guy.
I agree that Berry should start working the phones to try and find an upgrade, but it's going to cost us. We got suckered into thinking in preseason that DTR was ready for prime time, turns out he clearly wasn't.
Finally, I certainly hope that Ward's "head injury" isn't yet again another concussion. If it is, it could shelf him for a month, if not for good. I love the guy, I've mentioned he went to the same high school as my niece and nephew... But sometimes you just have to think about life after football. ?
Some other thoughts. Yep, Watson looked terrible even before he got hit. Almost shot putting the ball, and his accuracy was off too. Yeah nickers, I know you think he's washed up- but that albatross contract the Browns gave him means they're married to him for at least several more years. You had better hope that you're wrong about DW.
Thing is, the Browns need Watson to play at somewhere close to his former pro bowl level to be in the playoff race. Who knows if that shoulder injury is going to turn into a chronic issue. For sure, we're not going to travel to that house of horrors in Seattle where the Browns have historically played like crap- and think we have a prayer with Walker at quarterback again. He is who he is, a practice squad type of guy.
I agree that Berry should start working the phones to try and find an upgrade, but it's going to cost us. We got suckered into thinking in preseason that DTR was ready for prime time, turns out he clearly wasn't.
Finally, I certainly hope that Ward's "head injury" isn't yet again another concussion. If it is, it could shelf him for a month, if not for good. I love the guy, I've mentioned he went to the same high school as my niece and nephew... But sometimes you just have to think about life after football. ?
Fuck Watson... He's a lazy no good POS... He's satisfied and he's already checked out.. Fuck him and his contract... Contracts can be broken...
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Brisket fits in well to stefanskis offense, though bringing him back will make fans even more hostile to Deshaun if he finally starts playing again.
But what would be a browns season without people demanding the backup. After all, some did demand DTR after week 1. That’d be amplified x 100 with brisket.
To be honest, my sentiments come from the rational position of thinking Watson will miss several more games. I know Stefanski said he's the guy Sunday, but IDK. Getting 3-4 games of even slightly above average QB could be incredibly important, especially against the division.
To be honest, my sentiments come from the rational position of thinking Watson will miss several more games. I know Stefanski said he's the guy Sunday, but IDK. Getting 3-4 games of even slightly above average QB could be incredibly important, especially against the division.
Don't get me wrong, I'd be thrilled if they got Jacoby back. The FO should have been shopping QBs after the first quarter DTR played. As the commanders hopes keep dwindling, they should be happy to part with Brisset for a low pick (5th?)
This FO really needs to be on the phones with QBs, otherwise Sunday may be a write off with PJ in Seattle.
Besides trading for Brisket, there are plenty of FAs that should be able to outplay PJ Walker. (Foles, Wentz, Ryan?, Flacco, McCoy)
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To be honest, my sentiments come from the rational position of thinking Watson will miss several more games. I know Stefanski said he's the guy Sunday, but IDK. Getting 3-4 games of even slightly above average QB could be incredibly important, especially against the division.
Don't get me wrong, I'd be thrilled if they got Jacoby back. The FO should have been shopping QBs after the first quarter DTR played. As the commanders hopes keep dwindling, they should be happy to part with Brisset for a low pick (5th?)
This FO really needs to be on the phones with QBs, otherwise Sunday may be a write off with PJ in Seattle.
Besides trading for Brisket, there are plenty of FAs that should be able to outplay PJ Walker. (Foles, Wentz, Ryan?, Flacco, McCoy)
Don't get me wrong, I'd be thrilled if they got Jacoby back. The FO should have been shopping QBs after the first quarter DTR played. As the commanders hopes keep dwindling, they should be happy to part with Brisset for a low pick (5th?)
This FO really needs to be on the phones with QBs, otherwise Sunday may be a write off with PJ in Seattle.
Besides trading for Brisket, there are plenty of FAs that should be able to outplay PJ Walker. (Foles, Wentz, Ryan?, Flacco, McCoy)
I would take McCoy back in a heart beat... The kid has heart at least... Watson has none...
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