▪︎ ? WEEK 8 ▪︎ Browns 20 vs ● Seahawks 24 ▪︎ CLE Game 7 Thread ? Oct. 29. "L"
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But the real enemy is the FO, where PJ Walker is the best QB Kevin has available.
This is exactly part of my point. The other part is, what has Walker done to earn this trust? Go look at his 3rd downs, and not just 3rd and longs. That one he missed Moore on by forcing a ridiculous throw to Cooper? And that was twice in a row Walker did that, the previous one saved by a hands to the face, or a questionable illegal contact. The defense is playing well enough to win, but they are not "historic". We need a game manager at qb, but it's too late to find that guy at this point. If Jake Moody hits that 49's FG...it's another game we lost. We need more points.
This is exactly part of my point. The other part is, what has Walker done to earn this trust? Go look at his 3rd downs, and not just 3rd and longs. That one he missed Moore on by forcing a ridiculous throw to Cooper? And that was twice in a row Walker did that, the previous one saved by a hands to the face, or a questionable illegal contact. The defense is playing well enough to win, but they are not "historic". We need a game manager at qb, but it's too late to find that guy at this point. If Jake Moody hits that 49's FG...it's another game we lost. We need more points.
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My mood today…
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
I feel.for Walker. Say what you want but the guy loves this team. Shit happens. a handful could.have just as easily been a fumble. Better to gamble than live as a coward.
Marty and Bermie were cowards.
Stefanski is a coward. He was afraod of Smith and gave.him a complimentary.blow job and begged him, " If I play nice and don't try.to hurt you will please.just play for a field.goal.
To everyone, don't life your life in fear. You will never achieve anything without risk.
Stefanski and Depodesta are cowards
Unfortunately loving the game and/or team doesn’t make up for lacking nfl skills.
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I say the following having no clue about the gameday flow, the current momentum, the offensive set, the last 5 throws of PJ or anything else, so put your pitchforks down and take a Lorazepam.
I don't have a problem with Stef throwing it there (based on all of the above) and if he completes it, the game is probably over. Of course one of the worst things that could've happened did, but our league leading defense should have been able to at least force a long FG attempt (again, I have no idea of what the momentum was like).
I'm guessing if Sef would've ran the ball into an 11 man front for a 3" gain and the defense still choked it away (pitchforks down - the #1 D in the NFL should've played like it with the game on the line) then people would be criticizing him for being too conservative and not having a killer mentality.
Just my .02 about a game I did not watch.
It was a bad call by Kevin in the context of the game, where the run game was dominant including on that drive. We quite likely win the game with a run there.But the real enemy is the FO, where PJ Walker is the best QB Kevin has available.
31/32 QBs make the wide open check down for a first down easily on that play.
They said before the game IR is still a possibility for Watson depending on how he feels this week. What the F
They better have a QB on a plane to Cleveland tomorrow, whether it’s Jacoby or Foles or the homeless guy outside barley house.
It was a bad call by Kevin in the context of the game, where the run game was dominant including on that drive. We quite likely win the game with a run there.But the real enemy is the FO, where PJ Walker is the best QB Kevin has available.
31/32 QBs make the wide open check down for a first down easily on that play.
They said before the game IR is still a possibility for Watson depending on how he feels this week. What the F
They better have a QB on a plane to Cleveland tomorrow, whether it’s Jacoby or Foles or the homeless guy outside barley house.
Totally agree.
This is exactly part of my point. The other part is, what has Walker done to earn this trust? Go look at his 3rd downs, and not just 3rd and longs. That one he missed Moore on by forcing a ridiculous throw to Cooper? And that was twice in a row Walker did that, the previous one saved by a hands to the face, or a questionable illegal contact. The defense is playing well enough to win, but they are not "historic". We need a game manager at qb, but it's too late to find that guy at this point. If Jake Moody hits that 49's FG...it's another game we lost. We need more points.
Yeah, I know. Walker makes one decent throw for every two he throws in the dirt. EDIT: Forgot to add, his play brings back memories of that Bengal Bust Akilli Smith, he was very good at that. The interception that Njoku tried to save is another example. Field vision is zero. I can't really fault Walker, he is who he is, an XFL practice squad talent.
Now on the final helmet bounce interception... Seriously, you tell your XFL quarterback to make a play to win the game? Ride the horses that got your there... Hunt and Strong. Even if they had gotten stuffed for no gain, at least we went with what was working. (and our best players- which Walker is far from being) Kev thought about running on that play, and in typical I'll out think myself, they expect a run- so I'll throw a pass.
Stefanski had amnesia that he trusted Hunt to run for a yard with the game on the line against the Colts, should have done the same yesterday.
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Listened to it on XM radio at Lake Guntersville State Park, northeast Alabama. Chris Rose is very good btw.
Anyhow, what an absolute bummer. Like other posters mentioned, the Browns history in Seattle is crap.
Nice rally to take the lead, poof its gone just like this year's Pittsburgh game.
Next week is a must win.
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Bad call by SHITSpanski. Didn’t like most of the 3rd and short pass calls.
If the rookie Mitchell catches a ball that hits both hands uncontested he has a pick 6 and we win too. He shit the bed.
Bad call by SHITSpanski. Didn’t like most of the 3rd and short pass calls.
I actually wanted to run the ball there also. And then think about 4th down if necessary. But I find it very difficult to fault a HC for playing to win the game. He almost stole another win with a practice squad QB.
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When it comes down to it, do you put the game in the hands of your strongest assets, or the weakest?
Stefanski outsmarted himself.
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Read that, it'll tell you what you need to know. Most of us were yelling, "RUN THE BALL!"
Spoiler alert, we did not run the ball.
Well said Mr Pluto.
Well said Mr Pluto.
1 thing I really hate seeing is an empty backfield on 3rd and short.
1 thing really like seeing is Nick Harris at FB lead blocking.
1 thing I wish PJ Walker would stop doing is throwing across his body.
1 thing I'd like to keep seeing PJ Walker do is committing to the run when he's got an easy 5-10 yards. When he changes his mind to throw it at the last split second - he makes some really bad/risky choice.
Here's the thing, the kid is giving it his all and that's admirable. None of this is his fault. Not that Josh Dobbs has lit it up in Arizona but he was here for a year or 2 with more more knowledge of the offense than throwing it at PJ all at once. Oh well, let's see how Walker progresses.
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Well said Mr Pluto.
1 thing I really hate seeing is an empty backfield on 3rd and short.
1 thing really like seeing is Nick Harris at FB lead blocking.
1 thing I wish PJ Walker would stop doing is throwing across his body.
1 thing I'd like to keep seeing PJ Walker do is committing to the run when he's got an easy 5-10 yards. When he changes his mind to throw it at the last split second - he makes some really bad/risky choice.
Here's the thing, the kid is giving it his all and that's admirable. None of this is his fault. Not that Josh Dobbs has lit it up in Arizona but he was here for a year or 2 with more more knowledge of the offense than throwing it at PJ all at once. Oh well, let's see how Walker progresses.
1 thing I really hate seeing is an empty backfield on 3rd and short.
1 thing really like seeing is Nick Harris at FB lead blocking.
1 thing I wish PJ Walker would stop doing is throwing across his body.
1 thing I'd like to keep seeing PJ Walker do is committing to the run when he's got an easy 5-10 yards. When he changes his mind to throw it at the last split second - he makes some really bad/risky choice.
Here's the thing, the kid is giving it his all and that's admirable. None of this is his fault. Not that Josh Dobbs has lit it up in Arizona but he was here for a year or 2 with more more knowledge of the offense than throwing it at PJ all at once. Oh well, let's see how Walker progresses.
I know, Walker has the heart of a lion and he took some shots from the Seattle D.
But at the end of the day, he’s nothing more than backup quality in the XFL.
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
I feel.for Walker. Say what you want but the guy loves this team. Shit happens. a handful could. have just as easily been a fumble. Better to gamble than live as a coward.
Marty and Bernie were cowards.
Stefanski is a coward. He was afraid of Smith and gave him a complimentary. blow job and begged him, " If I play nice and don't try.to hurt you will please. just play for a field goal.
To everyone, don't life your life in fear. You will never achieve anything without risk.
Stefanski and Depodesta are cowards
Tom it was actually a pretty bold move from Stefanski to try and have PJ throw that pass.
I'll let you cue up your Depodesta rant. That play call was a pure anal-itics move. Sometimes you just have to go with what your gut tells you to do, instead of some stupid numbers.
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
I feel.for Walker. Say what you want but the guy loves this team. Shit happens. a handful could. have just as easily been a fumble. Better to gamble than live as a coward.
Marty and Bernie were cowards.
Stefanski is a coward. He was afraid of Smith and gave him a complimentary. blow job and begged him, " If I play nice and don't try.to hurt you will please. just play for a field goal.
To everyone, don't life your life in fear. You will never achieve anything without risk.
Stefanski and Depodesta are cowards
Tom it was actually a pretty bold move from Stefanski to try and have PJ throw that pass.
I'll let you cue up your Depodesta rant. That play call was a pure anal-itics move. Sometimes you just have to go with what your gut tells you to do, instead of some stupid numbers.
That play call was a pure anal-itics move. Sometimes you just have to go with what your gut tells you to do, instead of some stupid numbers.
By the same token, it was 3 long yards and the Seahawks were probably very aware that we might be running the ball there....to make them use a TO and keep things safe. I'm sure Stef was thinking, if it's complete, we win the game. If it's incomplete, we punt and make them face my defense on the long field. Who knew it was going to hit off the top of a helmet and pop up in the air like a beachball?
I would've run it and probably gotten stuffed. But I don't fault him for that call. As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, we had a pick six in our hands and dropped it. We could pin the loss on him just as easily as Stef. - The ref didn't save us this week.
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That play call was a pure anal-itics move. Sometimes you just have to go with what your gut tells you to do, instead of some stupid numbers.
By the same token, it was 3 long yards and the Seahawks were probably very aware that we might be running the ball there....to make them use a TO and keep things safe. I'm sure Stef was thinking, if it's complete, we win the game. If it's incomplete, we punt and make them face my defense on the long field. Who knew it was going to hit off the top of a helmet and pop up in the air like a beachball?
I would've run it and probably gotten stuffed. But I don't fault him for that call. As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, we had a pick six in our hands and dropped it. We could pin the loss on him just as easily as Stef. - The ref didn't save us this week.
By the same token, it was 3 long yards and the Seahawks were probably very aware that we might be running the ball there....to make them use a TO and keep things safe. I'm sure Stef was thinking, if it's complete, we win the game. If it's incomplete, we punt and make them face my defense on the long field. Who knew it was going to hit off the top of a helmet and pop up in the air like a beachball?
I would've run it and probably gotten stuffed. But I don't fault him for that call. As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, we had a pick six in our hands and dropped it. We could pin the loss on him just as easily as Stef. - The ref didn't save us this week.
The 3rd and 3 was right before the 2:00 warning. Regardless of the outcome of the play, the Seahawks would not have had to use a timeout.
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This team is 4 and 2, you play it safe. You don't need to risk it as if you already have a losing record.
You hand the ball off to Hunt and if he doesn't make it you do what all the other good teams do, you punt and let your defense win it.
Maybe at worse they tie the game with a field goal.
Seattle has a top notch defense as well that can get to the QB, nothing like going empty backfield to allow them to come at it. Stef coached a great game, PJ played great enough to win but that call is just mind boggling.
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By the same token, it was 3 long yards and the Seahawks were probably very aware that we might be running the ball there....to make them use a TO and keep things safe. I'm sure Stef was thinking, if it's complete, we win the game. If it's incomplete, we punt and make them face my defense on the long field. Who knew it was going to hit off the top of a helmet and pop up in the air like a beachball?
I would've run it and probably gotten stuffed. But I don't fault him for that call. As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, we had a pick six in our hands and dropped it. We could pin the loss on him just as easily as Stef. - The ref didn't save us this week.
The 3rd and 3 was right before the 2:00 warning. Regardless of the outcome of the play, the Seahawks would not have had to use a timeout.
The 3rd and 3 was right before the 2:00 warning. Regardless of the outcome of the play, the Seahawks would not have had to use a timeout.
Right- but a run would have put it past 2:00. Punt, another TO on change of possession. That gives the Seahawks (charitably) on their own 20 with two time outs left and around 1:50.... Enough time to score? Sure... But you trust PJ more than your defense Kev?
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The 3rd and 3 was right before the 2:00 warning. Regardless of the outcome of the play, the Seahawks would not have had to use a timeout.
Right- but a run would have put it past 2:00. Punt, another TO on change of possession. That gives the Seahawks (charitably) on their own 20 with two time outs left and around 1:50.... Enough time to score? Sure... But you trust PJ more than your defense Kev?
Right- but a run would have put it past 2:00. Punt, another TO on change of possession.
A run would have gotten the clock to 2:00 to maybe 1:55. Time would have stopped.
Then a punt, time would have stopped on change of possession.
So the time would have remained the same, the Seahawks amount of timeouts would have stayed the same, and they would have had to go 15-20 more yards for a game winning touchdown, but the same amount of yards (or less) for a tying field goal.
The bigger problem was the defense became room temperature butter to the Seahawks hot knife.
But yes, I would have preferred a run there too, but lets not pretend there isn't a group of people on this board who would have been calling Stefanski a pussy if he ran the ball on 3rd down, it got predictably stuffed, they punt the ball away and the Seahawks still march down the field like they are Sherman on his way through the South.
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