Michigan, Again ...... ● ? MICHIGAN 27 Alabama 20 in OT. Yes.
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Leading with telling me to be calm and rational, when you know you don't like my answer, and I've been nothing but calm and rational, is very condescending and annoying.
It's meant to be. I already know your response, so I'm half just fucking with you. Rare, but I do it on occasion.
You're going to defend the shield, emotionally, and I get that. You admit he stole signs, but the degree which he clearly did is only the first part to the larger picture. The second part being that UM coaches had zero issue using this information, all while not questioning the level of detail he provided; that would have only been available if he had pre-determined signal deconstruction. If it was a non-issue, then Harbaugh wouldn't already be getting the cold shoulder for post-game handshakes from opposing HC's and the B1G AD's wouldn't be on the conference commish about their thoughts on the matter.
We'll see how it plays out.
Edit: for my last post in here for a while. Stallions has resigned, that's certainly odd for just a 'loop hole'. And Harbaugh with a possible imminent suspension has picked up enough traction that Sports Illustrated covered it. Should be a strange week, but I'll leave on this.
“Every coach, every executive, every leader: They all know right from wrong. When someone uncovers a scandal in their company, I don't think they can say, "I didn't know that was going on." They're just saying they're too dumb to do their job! And if they really are too dumb, then why are they getting paid millions of dollars to do it? They know what's going on.” ― Bo Schembechler
It's meant to be. I already know your response, so I'm half just fucking with you. Rare, but I do it on occasion.
You're going to defend the shield, emotionally, and I get that. You admit he stole signs, but the degree which he clearly did is only the first part to the larger picture. The second part being that UM coaches had zero issue using this information, all while not questioning the level of detail he provided; that would have only been available if he had pre-determined signal deconstruction. If it was a non-issue, then Harbaugh wouldn't already be getting the cold shoulder for post-game handshakes from opposing HC's and the B1G AD's wouldn't be on the conference commish about their thoughts on the matter.
We'll see how it plays out.
Edit: for my last post in here for a while. Stallions has resigned, that's certainly odd for just a 'loop hole'. And Harbaugh with a possible imminent suspension has picked up enough traction that Sports Illustrated covered it. Should be a strange week, but I'll leave on this.
“Every coach, every executive, every leader: They all know right from wrong. When someone uncovers a scandal in their company, I don't think they can say, "I didn't know that was going on." They're just saying they're too dumb to do their job! And if they really are too dumb, then why are they getting paid millions of dollars to do it? They know what's going on.” ― Bo Schembechler
I haven't been emotional yet. But starting off as framing me as emotional definitely sets you up to be the "calmer" of the two, and clearly correct, huh? Funny how that works. With a board full of OSU fans it should work just fine.
You have no idea if the coaches knew it was illegally gathered (though, again, not sure the "vast network" was even illegal). Football folks have made comments there's nothing Stallions gathered that would be obtainable in already available media. Again, you're taking a leap in logic here that doesn't have anything to back it up.
Big Ten opponents want to do what they can to punish the current #1. The coaches are pearl clutching with a fun level of hypocrisy.
Whatever Stallions did at CMU was illegal. And there's no guarantee the NCAA even follows their own rules. And regardless, he'll be a hell of a distraction. The resignation isn't a surprise and doesn't point to some grander conspiracy.
Believe me, I didn't post in here for a while, and I probably will wait again. This has become a complete media circus full of irresponsible journalism. The court of public opinion has spoken, even if it's mostly only OSU fans losing their minds.
Like you said, we'll see what happens. With the entirety of this situation. Michigan. The investigative firm. Potential connections. Everything
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It's meant to be. I already know your response, so I'm half just fucking with you. Rare, but I do it on occasion.
You're going to defend the shield, emotionally, and I get that. You admit he stole signs, but the degree which he clearly did is only the first part to the larger picture. The second part being that UM coaches had zero issue using this information, all while not questioning the level of detail he provided; that would have only been available if he had pre-determined signal deconstruction. If it was a non-issue, then Harbaugh wouldn't already be getting the cold shoulder for post-game handshakes from opposing HC's and the B1G AD's wouldn't be on the conference commish about their thoughts on the matter.
We'll see how it plays out.
Edit: for my last post in here for a while. Stallions has resigned, that's certainly odd for just a 'loop hole'. And Harbaugh with a possible imminent suspension has picked up enough traction that Sports Illustrated covered it. Should be a strange week, but I'll leave on this.
“Every coach, every executive, every leader: They all know right from wrong. When someone uncovers a scandal in their company, I don't think they can say, "I didn't know that was going on." They're just saying they're too dumb to do their job! And if they really are too dumb, then why are they getting paid millions of dollars to do it? They know what's going on.” ― Bo Schembechler
I haven't been emotional yet. But starting off as framing me as emotional definitely sets you up to be the "calmer" of the two, and clearly correct, huh? Funny how that works. With a board full of OSU fans it should work just fine.
You have no idea if the coaches knew it was illegally gathered (though, again, not sure the "vast network" was even illegal). Football folks have made comments there's nothing Stallions gathered that would be obtainable in already available media. Again, you're taking a leap in logic here that doesn't have anything to back it up.
Big Ten opponents want to do what they can to punish the current #1. The coaches are pearl clutching with a fun level of hypocrisy.
Whatever Stallions did at CMU was illegal. And there's no guarantee the NCAA even follows their own rules. And regardless, he'll be a hell of a distraction. The resignation isn't a surprise and doesn't point to some grander conspiracy.
Believe me, I didn't post in here for a while, and I probably will wait again. This has become a complete media circus full of irresponsible journalism. The court of public opinion has spoken, even if it's mostly only OSU fans losing their minds.
Like you said, we'll see what happens. With the entirety of this situation. Michigan. The investigative firm. Potential connections. Everything
. The investigative firm. Potential connections. Everything
Welp, you can put that one to bed as quickly as it was awoken.
Ross Dellenger@RossDellengerOn Monday, the NCAA notified the Big Ten that there are no known connections between Ohio State coach Ryan Day or his family and the organization’s investigation into Michigan, senior officials at both the NCAA and Big Ten tell @YahooSports.
bit.ly/3QOjCIePut that to
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. The investigative firm. Potential connections. Everything
Welp, you can put that one to bed as quickly as it was awoken.
Ross Dellenger@RossDellengerOn Monday, the NCAA notified the Big Ten that there are no known connections between Ohio State coach Ryan Day or his family and the organization’s investigation into Michigan, senior officials at both the NCAA and Big Ten tell @YahooSports.
bit.ly/3QOjCIePut that to
Welp, you can put that one to bed as quickly as it was awoken.
Put that to
Would love to know who hired them still.
That also says the NCAA knows of no connections, not that they don't exist. But we'll take the source on their word for now. As lame as Day is, it would have been crazy if he was THAT lame.
Other rumors today about more sharing of Michigan's signs among BIG trans, etc. Potentially nothing illegal, but speaks to how wide spread this is.
Will be interesting to see how the big ten acts on Wednesday regarding a punishment, and how Michigan responds
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. The investigative firm. Potential connections. Everything
Welp, you can put that one to bed as quickly as it was awoken.
Ross Dellenger@RossDellengerOn Monday, the NCAA notified the Big Ten that there are no known connections between Ohio State coach Ryan Day or his family and the organization’s investigation into Michigan, senior officials at both the NCAA and Big Ten tell @YahooSports.
bit.ly/3QOjCIePut that to
Welp, you can put that one to bed as quickly as it was awoken.
Put that to
The only steam that idea got was from Michigan bloggers.
This is where that rumor started just the first 2 minutes is all you need
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Do we really care ?
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
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Do we really care ?
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No.
Certain-ly !
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Do we really care ?
Man I do. I haven’t truly followed a Michigan story like this is a long time. I’m probably 25 years into this rivalry I don’t know the heartbreak (OSU perspective) like others do, but I do know the self righteous smarter than all, ethical above all that the university up North displays often. The blasting OSU took when they sold gold pants for kicking their @ss…and the insults on Tressel for the way he handled things. There wasn’t a penalty harsh enough for OSU and Tressel. Or the poking fun at the “we didn’t come here to play school” shortly after a UM guy was toting an illegal firearm.
Moving on…This doesn’t look like a good defense to me….the “well he was doing it too” defense…with your parents or in an adjudicative setting this defense probably works 5% of the time. If OSU or Rutgers is a co-conspirator or has their own elaborate scheme bring them forward too. But This isn’t a Rutgers hearing.
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The 10 page rebuttal was fucking cute. It basically boiled down to the chewbacca defense.
Going to tag @dutch-oven because I know he'll appreciate a good south park reference.
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Do we really care ?
and do you think it really matter's. Cause they will never get through this
2024 Michigan Football Schedule
Saturday
Aug. 31
Fresno State BulldogsMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Sep. 7
Texas LonghornsMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Buy Tickets Saturday
Sep. 14
Arkansas State Red WolvesMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Sep. 21
USC TrojansMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Sep. 28
Minnesota Golden GophersMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Oct. 5
at Washington HuskiesHusky Stadium, Seattle, WA Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Oct. 12OFF Saturday
Oct. 19
at Illinois Fighting IlliniMemorial Stadium, Champaign, IL Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Oct. 26
Michigan State SpartansMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Nov. 2
Oregon DucksMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Nov. 9
at Indiana HoosiersMemorial Stadium, Bloomington, IN Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Nov. 16OFF Saturday
Nov. 23
Northwestern WildcatsMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Nov. 30
at Ohio State BuckeyesOhio Stadium, Columbus, OH Time TBA ETTV TBA -
Do we really care ?
and do you think it really matter's. Cause they will never get through this
2024 Michigan Football Schedule
Saturday
Aug. 31
Fresno State BulldogsMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Sep. 7
Texas LonghornsMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Buy Tickets Saturday
Sep. 14
Arkansas State Red WolvesMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Sep. 21
USC TrojansMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Sep. 28
Minnesota Golden GophersMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Oct. 5
at Washington HuskiesHusky Stadium, Seattle, WA Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Oct. 12OFF Saturday
Oct. 19
at Illinois Fighting IlliniMemorial Stadium, Champaign, IL Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Oct. 26
Michigan State SpartansMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Nov. 2
Oregon DucksMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Nov. 9
at Indiana HoosiersMemorial Stadium, Bloomington, IN Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Nov. 16OFF Saturday
Nov. 23
Northwestern WildcatsMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Nov. 30
at Ohio State BuckeyesOhio Stadium, Columbus, OH Time TBA ETTV TBA and do you think it really matter's. Cause they will never get through this
2024 Michigan Football Schedule
Saturday
Aug. 31
Fresno State BulldogsMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Sep. 7
Texas LonghornsMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Buy Tickets Saturday
Sep. 14
Arkansas State Red WolvesMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Sep. 21
USC TrojansMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Sep. 28
Minnesota Golden GophersMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Oct. 5
at Washington HuskiesHusky Stadium, Seattle, WA Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Oct. 12OFF Saturday
Oct. 19
at Illinois Fighting IlliniMemorial Stadium, Champaign, IL Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Oct. 26
Michigan State SpartansMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Nov. 2
Oregon DucksMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Nov. 9
at Indiana HoosiersMemorial Stadium, Bloomington, IN Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Nov. 16OFF Saturday
Nov. 23
Northwestern WildcatsMichigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI Time TBA ETTV TBA Saturday
Nov. 30
at Ohio State BuckeyesOhio Stadium, Columbus, OH Time TBA ETTV TBA How do they only have four road games
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Harbaugh Suspended (game days only)
Wow. The Big 10 acted before the NCAA.
Here come the lawyers....
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Harbaugh Suspended (game days only)
Wow. The Big 10 acted before the NCAA.
Here come the lawyers....
Harbaugh Suspended (game days only)
Wow. The Big 10 acted before the NCAA.
Here come the lawyers....
For sure. Harbutt will be screaming all the way to Happy Valley
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It doesn’t take an investigative firm to see him on the sidelines next to the defensive coaches
Right, he was the sign stealing guy. It's his job.
OSU has one too. He made his Venmo private right after this all broke. Maybe we'll hire an investigative firm and repay the favor
Right, he was the sign stealing guy. It's his job.
OSU has one too. He made his Venmo private right after this all broke. Maybe we'll hire an investigative firm and repay the favor
There are ways to steal signs that are within the rules. Sneaking onto the sidelines of other schools and recording coordinators and assistants from 10 feet away isn't one of them. I highly doubt that Michigan is the only one illegally recording signs, but if you're stupid enough to get caught BOTH on the sidelines of other teams and then in the ear of both Michigan coordinators for every play, then you deserve whatever's coming. Whichever booster gave this project the green light was probably smart enough to compartmentalize it so that Harbaugh could truthfully plead ignorance. If Harbaugh knew about it, then the punishment ought to be much more severe. If he didn't know about it, it's still an NCAA violation for loss of institutional control. Big Ten's hands are tied, and they had to punish him. They're a national organization now and it would look very bad to schools interested in joining, not to mention the pressure from tOSU, PSU.
If you're the NCAA, now you're in a real tough spot. There's clear evidence that the scouting rules were broken. A proper investigation of this magnitude would take the whole offseason. But with only a couple months til CFP, a decision needs to be made. If you allow Michigan to play in the CFP, you're sending the message that breaking the NCAA rules isn't a big deal. If you ban Michigan from playing in the CFP that's a gut punch to all the players who had nothing to do with it.
As someone who doesn't really much care for college ball, the fallout from this is going to be fun to watch.
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Highly doubtful, OSU doesn’t need to signals, to beat other teams. Meatchicken, OBVIOUSLY does
Everyone has a sign stealer hahahaha.
You think this is why OSU got their shit pushed in the last two seasons? I mean, of course you do. Sad.
Everyone has a sign stealer hahahaha.
You think this is why OSU got their shit pushed in the last two seasons? I mean, of course you do. Sad.
Micheetan is a cheating school. They should have to forfeit the entire next 5 seasons as punishment.
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What a class program Harbutt is running. Just move on to the Bears and get it over with
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Right, he was the sign stealing guy. It's his job.
OSU has one too. He made his Venmo private right after this all broke. Maybe we'll hire an investigative firm and repay the favor
There are ways to steal signs that are within the rules. Sneaking onto the sidelines of other schools and recording coordinators and assistants from 10 feet away isn't one of them. I highly doubt that Michigan is the only one illegally recording signs, but if you're stupid enough to get caught BOTH on the sidelines of other teams and then in the ear of both Michigan coordinators for every play, then you deserve whatever's coming. Whichever booster gave this project the green light was probably smart enough to compartmentalize it so that Harbaugh could truthfully plead ignorance. If Harbaugh knew about it, then the punishment ought to be much more severe. If he didn't know about it, it's still an NCAA violation for loss of institutional control. Big Ten's hands are tied, and they had to punish him. They're a national organization now and it would look very bad to schools interested in joining, not to mention the pressure from tOSU, PSU.
If you're the NCAA, now you're in a real tough spot. There's clear evidence that the scouting rules were broken. A proper investigation of this magnitude would take the whole offseason. But with only a couple months til CFP, a decision needs to be made. If you allow Michigan to play in the CFP, you're sending the message that breaking the NCAA rules isn't a big deal. If you ban Michigan from playing in the CFP that's a gut punch to all the players who had nothing to do with it.
As someone who doesn't really much care for college ball, the fallout from this is going to be fun to watch.
There are ways to steal signs that are within the rules. Sneaking onto the sidelines of other schools and recording coordinators and assistants from 10 feet away isn't one of them. I highly doubt that Michigan is the only one illegally recording signs, but if you're stupid enough to get caught BOTH on the sidelines of other teams and then in the ear of both Michigan coordinators for every play, then you deserve whatever's coming. Whichever booster gave this project the green light was probably smart enough to compartmentalize it so that Harbaugh could truthfully plead ignorance. If Harbaugh knew about it, then the punishment ought to be much more severe. If he didn't know about it, it's still an NCAA violation for loss of institutional control. Big Ten's hands are tied, and they had to punish him. They're a national organization now and it would look very bad to schools interested in joining, not to mention the pressure from tOSU, PSU.
If you're the NCAA, now you're in a real tough spot. There's clear evidence that the scouting rules were broken. A proper investigation of this magnitude would take the whole offseason. But with only a couple months til CFP, a decision needs to be made. If you allow Michigan to play in the CFP, you're sending the message that breaking the NCAA rules isn't a big deal. If you ban Michigan from playing in the CFP that's a gut punch to all the players who had nothing to do with it.
As someone who doesn't really much care for college ball, the fallout from this is going to be fun to watch.
Honest question, what possible benefit could Stallions have from sneaking onto the CMU sidelines and recording MSU from those sidelines using cool spy glasses over just recording from the stands, ideally on the MSU side. It's a CMU game so it's not like they'd be hard to get.
The Big Tens hands weren't tied at all. They could have easily just waited for the NCAA investigation to finish. Instead a new TV exec turned commissioner caved to pressure from the folks standing to benefit the most from Harbaugh and Michigans downfall.
I know no one that's anti Michigan wants to hear this, but what rules were broken and how isn't that clear. One of the tikes being something the NCAA has recently said provides basically no competitive advantage and one they voted on to remove. You can say Stallions broke the rules, but turning it into some grand competitive advantage is hilarious and delusional.
Again, we know OSU was sharing signal information with other schools, including before they played those opponents. Purdue got all the info OSU and others had on us before the title game last year. What's more valuable from a competitive edge? Some iPhone footage from the stands taken by Stallions bros who have admitted to just getting bored and leaving early, analyzed by just Stallions... or the combined analysis of multiple big ten coaches taken from all 22 public film, broadcast film, and anything from the game itself. Both providing "advanced scouting" of an opponent.
Again, the idea that this is some major competitive advantage is mainly held by OSU fans delusionally looking to explain the last two years and any pearl clutching coach that directly benefits from taking down Harbaugh. Anyone impartial and in the football world sees this for the joke/hit job it is. Punish those that knowingly broke the rules, but what this is being spun into, the clearly orchestrated PR hit job, it's asinine.
More smoke this week on the Internet, so we'll see what comes of it. Companies focused on analyzing practice video, more PI connections, etc. Could be nothing. Michigan's PR tactics are much worse than the clearly OSU coordinated ones. But we'll see.
Hopefully Michigan wins Saturday and Day can just make up another excuse.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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