The 2023 season film studies. Thread of questions and answers.
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nickers top ten of stupid
Kevin is gonna ruin Deshaun just like he ruined Mayfield... Stef is a QB killer...
and he got pissed at me for calling him out ? cousins brissett and mayfield all had their best years working with kevin .
I will never bring this up again. And I never bet on a Browns game, My heart can't take it
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I do not have any number's ? But i do believe we play in man coverage more often than zone. And with their qb, shouldn't we play more zone ?
I do not have any number's ? But i do believe we play in man coverage more often than zone. And with their qb, shouldn't we play more zone ?
That has sort of become a bit of an out dated way of dealing with QBs who have elite wheels. The old school way was to zone behind everything because you'd always hear about "having eyes on the QB".
Regardless if it's man, match/mod or zone, where it really matters is up front. You have to maintain your integrity and not surrender easy rushing lanes. If you're getting it done there, you can run your man coverage, or a variety of calls, and find success against Lamar. I cite what I say because of the success I've watched the Titans defense have against him several times now. Consistently holding Jackson well under season averages.
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I do not have any number's ? But i do believe we play in man coverage more often than zone. And with their qb, shouldn't we play more zone ?
That has sort of become a bit of an out dated way of dealing with QBs who have elite wheels. The old school way was to zone behind everything because you'd always hear about "having eyes on the QB".
Regardless if it's man, match/mod or zone, where it really matters is up front. You have to maintain your integrity and not surrender easy rushing lanes. If you're getting it done there, you can run your man coverage, or a variety of calls, and find success against Lamar. I cite what I say because of the success I've watched the Titans defense have against him several times now. Consistently holding Jackson well under season averages.
That has sort of become a bit of an out dated way of dealing with QBs who have elite wheels. The old school way was to zone behind everything because you'd always hear about "having eyes on the QB".
Regardless if it's man, match/mod or zone, where it really matters is up front. You have to maintain your integrity and not surrender easy rushing lanes. If you're getting it done there, you can run your man coverage, or a variety of calls, and find success against Lamar. I cite what I say because of the success I've watched the Titans defense have against him several times now. Consistently holding Jackson well under season averages.
Nope going old school and I agree with starting up front pressure. Newsome is questionable and Mitchell went on ir
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As often as nickers brings me up, I almost get the impression that he has a crush on me.
I'm flattered.
And that's a hilarious take on your thoughts of Brissett when he signed with the Browns. You praised him? ?
Brissett when he signed with the Browns. You praised him
I sure as hell did. I thought Indy were fools to let him go
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A few great adjustments by Stef and Van Pelt after that nasty 1st quarter. The big one was to make Kyle Hamilton a target in coverage. Those flat routes by Njoku were, I truly believe, sight adjusts off of his alignment.
The inline motion from Njoku means the corner now picks up Ced as the #1 instead of david. So in the Ravens familiar single high, he has to carry him upfield. Meaning Hamilton will pick up Njoku and he's sitting just inside shade of David, with his eyes in the back field like the aggressive downhill player he is.
So this turns into a read off of his leverage. If he's inside like that, you run underneath him and flat, while Ced carries upfield and forces him to get past/through the rub to make the tackle.
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The offshoot of this was when he would play the curl/flat in their cover 3.
Both Watson and Njoku HAVE to be on the same page here. Speaking of pages, you're welcomed to go back a few and read my comments, but THIS is the connection I said that has needed the most improvement and, IMHO, was the most important to find offensive continuity moving forward. Because it gives us the ability to attack these sort of defensive calls with a size and athletic mismatch all in one.
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This is a VERY promising start to this on field dynamic. I can only hope, like the rest of us, that our health holds up and we see more of this week to week. I have one more observation from the running game to follow.
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A few great adjustments by Stef and Van Pelt after that nasty 1st quarter. The big one was to make Kyle Hamilton a target in coverage. Those flat routes by Njoku were, I truly believe, sight adjusts off of his alignment.
The inline motion from Njoku means the corner now picks up Ced as the #1 instead of david. So in the Ravens familiar single high, he has to carry him upfield. Meaning Hamilton will pick up Njoku and he's sitting just inside shade of David, with his eyes in the back field like the aggressive downhill player he is.
So this turns into a read off of his leverage. If he's inside like that, you run underneath him and flat, while Ced carries upfield and forces him to get past/through the rub to make the tackle.
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The offshoot of this was when he would play the curl/flat in their cover 3.
Both Watson and Njoku HAVE to be on the same page here. Speaking of pages, you're welcomed to go back a few and read my comments, but THIS is the connection I said that has needed the most improvement and, IMHO, was the most important to find offensive continuity moving forward. Because it gives us the ability to attack these sort of defensive calls with a size and athletic mismatch all in one.
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This is a VERY promising start to this on field dynamic. I can only hope, like the rest of us, that our health holds up and we see more of this week to week. I have one more observation from the running game to follow.
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what the hell got into Ford today
Great question. We showed this midway through the 2nd qtr, but couldn't really keep going back to it because of being down by multiple scores. But this was the coaches answer for the Ravens continuing to send pressure off the edge.
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Keep in mind, this isn't a true "read" Watson isn't going to keep this, barring going completely rogue. You unblock the edge, and freeze them playing QB keep. You fold the nose from the center, pull bito and Njoku on the right stands up the other edge. So what you're doing is bluffing a read outside, pulling inside, stealing a gap and creating a 1on1 block with the high safety having to be responsible to come down on Ford. All he has to do is be patient, let the block setup on the pull, and read off of that.
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Want to take a moment to highlight Njoku's continued improved blocking. Both outside and Inline. I know he had a few rough moments today, including dropping an open catch for a first down. But he did the dirty work when it counted as well. He bounced back in a real strong way in the 2nd half.
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what the hell got into Ford today
Great question. We showed this midway through the 2nd qtr, but couldn't really keep going back to it because of being down by multiple scores. But this was the coaches answer for the Ravens continuing to send pressure off the edge.
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Keep in mind, this isn't a true "read" Watson isn't going to keep this, barring going completely rogue. You unblock the edge, and freeze them playing QB keep. You fold the nose from the center, pull bito and Njoku on the right stands up the other edge. So what you're doing is bluffing a read outside, pulling inside, stealing a gap and creating a 1on1 block with the high safety having to be responsible to come down on Ford. All he has to do is be patient, let the block setup on the pull, and read off of that.
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Want to take a moment to highlight Njoku's continued improved blocking. Both outside and Inline. I know he had a few rough moments today, including dropping an open catch for a first down. But he did the dirty work when it counted as well. He bounced back in a real strong way in the 2nd half.
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Just like the first meeting, the Ravens first offensive touchdown scored was a design that directly takes advantage of Grant Delpits overly aggressive nature. Instead of showing it from the misdirection to QB wrap, Baltimore got creative from under center showing the hand on a fake smoke to slant, and ran a sprint draw misdirection off of that and under Myles.
It sort of reminded me of a staple play from Charlie Weiss' offense. Darius Walker really came on strong his last couple years at Notre Dame because he was a patient runner who would let these develop. Play is at the 2:12 mark.
Showing that bluff to the slot gets aggressive second level defenders to expand laterally and upfield at the same time. Meaning they take themselves further from, or completely out of the play.
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Baltimore did something of their own like that from under center against our 8 man box.
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Lamar takes the pump at the weakside "slant" during his drive step from under center. Delpit, in his nature, opens his hips and attacks laterally far too quickly and aggressively. I understand you want to get underneath this slant and house it like you did against Pittsburgh, but this is tendency being used against you now. The problem isn't that you bit on the cheese, it's how incredibly HARD to bit down on it. Leaving little, if any, room to recover.
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- Another component is us using Myles as the edge monster he is. Because of that, it too can be used against us in these situations if that B gap integrity isn't maintained.
- Delpit see's his mistake, squares his shoulders and drives downfield.
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Much like his predecessor, Jabril, Grants angles coming from depth can be a serious problem at times. And since the Ravens haven't shown much of Keaton Mitchell, he underestimates the first step quickness and ability to hit top end. Mitch isn't a big dude, but he's an athlete in space. Delpit should have attacked heading towards the numbers and turned this back inside and down the lane where pursuit (and Thornhill) would have been.
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Emerson just doesn't have the food speed to close here. This is what a true 4.3 looks like when you hit top gear. Impressive shit on a football field when you get natural runners to space.
The defense obviously came back to make some plays, including some drive killings sacks and a huge pick six. But these early game mental mistakes by Grant need to be cleaned up in the worst possible way. Because you can only get into so many double digit holes before your offense just isn't able to climb back in it.
edit: Can't spare Taki either. When you're playing a zero stack like that off a dline shift, you can't get caught flat footed not getting to the gap as the fill and then walk into a pin by a lineman. He's been struggling with these looks as well. He's another one whose play has been very up and down at times.
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If you could put one defensive player in the NFL on the Browns in the back seven, who would it be tia?
It feels like we are missing one top tier LB or safety from our defense to being a more consistent top-notch squad.
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If you could put one defensive player in the NFL on the Browns in the back seven, who would it be tia?
It feels like we are missing one top tier LB or safety from our defense to being a more consistent top-notch squad.
If you could put one defensive player in the NFL on the Browns in the back seven, who would it be tia?
If money was no issue? Minkah is the first name my mind goes to. Probably the most complete safety in the NFL and would be that middle field eraser when we're single high. And that is where we run into problems the most, especially when Delpit is said high safety.
Honorable mention to Winfield and possibly another name you won't hear much - Jevon Holland. There are a couple other young names I'll be keeping my eye on as the season goes who look like they might take up that torch and carry it into the next few years.
If this was operating off of cap squeeze and trying to find one piece to fuel a defensive minded playoff run? Malik Hooker. Would be sick having babayega back in Ohio roaming the middle.
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Question about Watson’s throwing mechanics. A number of his throws this last game reminded me of a basketball hook shot, more wrist and elbow than shoulder. I don’t think that’s any kind of astute observation, the guy’s got a bad shoulder and all, but l feel like he’s been working at these types of throws the last few games with mixed results, but l think he’s found a groove and even figuring out how to sling some longer passes like that.
Anyone else seeing this or is it in my head?
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Question about Watson’s throwing mechanics. A number of his throws this last game reminded me of a basketball hook shot, more wrist and elbow than shoulder. I don’t think that’s any kind of astute observation, the guy’s got a bad shoulder and all, but l feel like he’s been working at these types of throws the last few games with mixed results, but l think he’s found a groove and even figuring out how to sling some longer passes like that.
Anyone else seeing this or is it in my head?
Question about Watson’s throwing mechanics. A number of his throws this last game reminded me of a basketball hook shot, more wrist and elbow than shoulder. I don’t think that’s any kind of astute observation, the guy’s got a bad shoulder and all, but l feel like he’s been working at these types of throws the last few games with mixed results, but l think he’s found a groove and even figuring out how to sling some longer passes like that.
Anyone else seeing this or is it in my head?
Yeah, I think tia mentioned something similar during the game thread too.
Instead of driving the with a complete follow-through he almost looks like he's flicking the ball with more of his wrist.
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Question about Watson’s throwing mechanics. A number of his throws this last game reminded me of a basketball hook shot, more wrist and elbow than shoulder. I don’t think that’s any kind of astute observation, the guy’s got a bad shoulder and all, but l feel like he’s been working at these types of throws the last few games with mixed results, but l think he’s found a groove and even figuring out how to sling some longer passes like that.
Anyone else seeing this or is it in my head?
Question about Watson’s throwing mechanics. A number of his throws this last game reminded me of a basketball hook shot, more wrist and elbow than shoulder. I don’t think that’s any kind of astute observation, the guy’s got a bad shoulder and all, but l feel like he’s been working at these types of throws the last few games with mixed results, but l think he’s found a groove and even figuring out how to sling some longer passes like that.
Anyone else seeing this or is it in my head?
The biggest problem is how inconsistent Watsons current motion is. It's clear, from what he's doing and how he's constantly working and stretching his shoulder between snaps, that there's still pain and discomfort.
The most reoccurring theme almost looks like he's "pushing" the ball, ending with his palm facing out, when he tries to put any sauce on it. Results have been mixed. But it would help explain the lower throws.
Side note, nobody tell Cal that both Baker and Josh Allen are looking painfully average right now. Another int for the former on a ball that was poorly placed.
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Question about Watson’s throwing mechanics. A number of his throws this last game reminded me of a basketball hook shot, more wrist and elbow than shoulder. I don’t think that’s any kind of astute observation, the guy’s got a bad shoulder and all, but l feel like he’s been working at these types of throws the last few games with mixed results, but l think he’s found a groove and even figuring out how to sling some longer passes like that.
Anyone else seeing this or is it in my head?
The biggest problem is how inconsistent Watsons current motion is. It's clear, from what he's doing and how he's constantly working and stretching his shoulder between snaps, that there's still pain and discomfort.
The most reoccurring theme almost looks like he's "pushing" the ball, ending with his palm facing out, when he tries to put any sauce on it. Results have been mixed. But it would help explain the lower throws.
Side note, nobody tell Cal that both Baker and Josh Allen are looking painfully average right now. Another int for the former on a ball that was poorly placed.
The biggest problem is how inconsistent Watsons current motion is. It's clear, from what he's doing and how he's constantly working and stretching his shoulder between snaps, that there's still pain and discomfort.
The most reoccurring theme almost looks like he's "pushing" the ball, ending with his palm facing out, when he tries to put any sauce on it. Results have been mixed. But it would help explain the lower throws.
Side note, nobody tell Cal that both Baker and Josh Allen are looking painfully average right now. Another int for the former on a ball that was poorly placed.
Thanks Tia (and Dutch). I’m encouraged that he’s finding a way to push through it and seems to get better as the game goes on, sorta like a starting pitcher who doesn’t have his best stuff when the game starts and has to take a couple innings to find it.
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It hurts.
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I'm trying to get things done at work and using my phone, apologies for the shoddy work. My PC at work doesn't have the editing stuff I have at home.
The biggest looks DTR and the Browns couldn't solve the second half were the cover 6 ones.
The Steelers would spin their safety boundary, play cover 2 to the short side and protect Patrick, while allowing him to use his strength underneath. And to the field they would play quarters, mostly a bracket and inside shade on the #2, while being aggressive on first breaks on the #1.
With a rookie QB, barring few exceptions, and incredibly shakey pass protection on the edge, you're going to take your quick looks and work the shorter side. Working the field progression means that your OTs have to hold up (they weren't) and your QB needs to be decisive and accurate outside and downfield (he wasn't).
I have a feeling those high misses from earlier put the fear of God into the coaching staff about any throw past 10-ish yards. Toss in the Steelers edge rush and that's what you get.
It also doesn't help that, when the Browns may have gotten a bit of a favorable box count, they got their ass whipped in the 2nd half up front. The Steelers dline really stepped their game up the second half.
Steelers did a lot of what the Bears did a couple years ago against our running game. More specifically, against our boot action game. They screamed upfield off the edges away from the action and went directly for Baker. Which is why Chubb has the day he did vs CHI and got a healthy diet of carries. Sunday, after that pass to Njoku on the waggle, Pittsburgh had pretty much seen enough and decided the same. Ford isn't Chubb and his ability to press, see and cutback with acceleration and strength, creating yards above expected, is no where the same.
Not sure yet if the teams ahead of us have that same defensive strength. But the obvious counter is to structure your runs and the ball action off of it, to the interior. But that also means you're asking DTR to work in tighter lateral space and to drive the ball downfield from behind your guards. Not quite sure he's ready to work in that level of traffic, given his build as well.
But a taller, perhaps more seasoned QB might...
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I'm trying to get things done at work and using my phone, apologies for the shoddy work. My PC at work doesn't have the editing stuff I have at home.
The biggest looks DTR and the Browns couldn't solve the second half were the cover 6 ones.
The Steelers would spin their safety boundary, play cover 2 to the short side and protect Patrick, while allowing him to use his strength underneath. And to the field they would play quarters, mostly a bracket and inside shade on the #2, while being aggressive on first breaks on the #1.
With a rookie QB, barring few exceptions, and incredibly shakey pass protection on the edge, you're going to take your quick looks and work the shorter side. Working the field progression means that your OTs have to hold up (they weren't) and your QB needs to be decisive and accurate outside and downfield (he wasn't).
I have a feeling those high misses from earlier put the fear of God into the coaching staff about any throw past 10-ish yards. Toss in the Steelers edge rush and that's what you get.
It also doesn't help that, when the Browns may have gotten a bit of a favorable box count, they got their ass whipped in the 2nd half up front. The Steelers dline really stepped their game up the second half.
Steelers did a lot of what the Bears did a couple years ago against our running game. More specifically, against our boot action game. They screamed upfield off the edges away from the action and went directly for Baker. Which is why Chubb has the day he did vs CHI and got a healthy diet of carries. Sunday, after that pass to Njoku on the waggle, Pittsburgh had pretty much seen enough and decided the same. Ford isn't Chubb and his ability to press, see and cutback with acceleration and strength, creating yards above expected, is no where the same.
Not sure yet if the teams ahead of us have that same defensive strength. But the obvious counter is to structure your runs and the ball action off of it, to the interior. But that also means you're asking DTR to work in tighter lateral space and to drive the ball downfield from behind your guards. Not quite sure he's ready to work in that level of traffic, given his build as well.
But a taller, perhaps more seasoned QB might...
But a taller, perhaps more seasoned QB might...
"So you're saying there's a chance....."?
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I'm trying to get things done at work and using my phone, apologies for the shoddy work. My PC at work doesn't have the editing stuff I have at home.
The biggest looks DTR and the Browns couldn't solve the second half were the cover 6 ones.
The Steelers would spin their safety boundary, play cover 2 to the short side and protect Patrick, while allowing him to use his strength underneath. And to the field they would play quarters, mostly a bracket and inside shade on the #2, while being aggressive on first breaks on the #1.
With a rookie QB, barring few exceptions, and incredibly shakey pass protection on the edge, you're going to take your quick looks and work the shorter side. Working the field progression means that your OTs have to hold up (they weren't) and your QB needs to be decisive and accurate outside and downfield (he wasn't).
I have a feeling those high misses from earlier put the fear of God into the coaching staff about any throw past 10-ish yards. Toss in the Steelers edge rush and that's what you get.
It also doesn't help that, when the Browns may have gotten a bit of a favorable box count, they got their ass whipped in the 2nd half up front. The Steelers dline really stepped their game up the second half.
Steelers did a lot of what the Bears did a couple years ago against our running game. More specifically, against our boot action game. They screamed upfield off the edges away from the action and went directly for Baker. Which is why Chubb has the day he did vs CHI and got a healthy diet of carries. Sunday, after that pass to Njoku on the waggle, Pittsburgh had pretty much seen enough and decided the same. Ford isn't Chubb and his ability to press, see and cutback with acceleration and strength, creating yards above expected, is no where the same.
Not sure yet if the teams ahead of us have that same defensive strength. But the obvious counter is to structure your runs and the ball action off of it, to the interior. But that also means you're asking DTR to work in tighter lateral space and to drive the ball downfield from behind your guards. Not quite sure he's ready to work in that level of traffic, given his build as well.
But a taller, perhaps more seasoned QB might...
I have a feeling those high misses from earlier put the fear of God into the coaching staff about any throw past 10-ish yards. Toss in the Steelers edge rush and that's what you get.
Amen ^^
my brother in law called me from Toledo at halftime, agreeing it won't change coming out of the 2nd half room..
PJ Walker decided on tossing those into the dirt short ?
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