Browns Sign Joe Flacco to Practice Squad
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Didn't suggest to cut him, did I? I hope he learns and improves, over the years.
Just making a point from the perspective of a team that is on the verge of making the play-offs, which is something not all that common for the Browns. DTR showed Sunday that he is not going to take us there. Too raw; too inexperienced; too nervous; too inaccurate.
He did not produce any offense for most of the second half, but did turn the ball over. That's just a matter of fact.
Didn't respond to you as if you wanted to cut him either. You couldn't understand not going deep or making throws down field on a banged up secondary. I'm not saying he could if he wanted to but neither can we judge his performance as that clearly wasn't in their plans. A lot of good teams with their starters in full force even get in a rut and produce no offense at times. That's expected from someone just stepping in to face a division rival with the quality the Steelers D brings. You simply can't judge his performance because he didn't put up 400 yards of offense each half.
All that other crap is to be seen. Of course ideally we could give him years to improve but we don't have that option so we need him to do just what he did and hopefully a little better next time.
You think Steelers are the first team to stack the box?
Didn't respond to you as if you wanted to cut him either. You couldn't understand not going deep or making throws down field on a banged up secondary. I'm not saying he could if he wanted to but neither can we judge his performance as that clearly wasn't in their plans. A lot of good teams with their starters in full force even get in a rut and produce no offense at times. That's expected from someone just stepping in to face a division rival with the quality the Steelers D brings. You simply can't judge his performance because he didn't put up 400 yards of offense each half.
All that other crap is to be seen. Of course ideally we could give him years to improve but we don't have that option so we need him to do just what he did and hopefully a little better next time.
You think Steelers are the first team to stack the box?
Look man, you said your major concern was the Steelers completely shutting down our run game in the 2nd. As stated, the reason is twofold: their defensive adjustments, and DTR's inability/ refusal to throw anything over the top, the latter you inexplicably disputed. Those two reasons resulted in no offense and an INT for most of that half. You can't win football games like that, and it is a miracle we did.
Not only am I not surprised the Steelers stacked the box, I am convinced others will follow their lead. That will have similar results as long as DTR is under center. If Flacco shakes off any rust quickly, he is the answer. Look at those YouTube highlights.
Basically, we are a serviceable QB shy of a team that can not only reach the play-offs, but win games when we do. I have a deep seeded desire to see that, but have no faith that DTR is that QB (for the foreseeable future), and some hope Flacco is!
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So out of curiousity, I looked up Flacco's stats for 2022 with the J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets.
In almost 200 attempts (a pretty good sample size) he was neither accurate (57% completion) or someone who was throwing the ball downfield (a meager 5.5 yards/attempt).
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Didn't respond to you as if you wanted to cut him either. You couldn't understand not going deep or making throws down field on a banged up secondary. I'm not saying he could if he wanted to but neither can we judge his performance as that clearly wasn't in their plans. A lot of good teams with their starters in full force even get in a rut and produce no offense at times. That's expected from someone just stepping in to face a division rival with the quality the Steelers D brings. You simply can't judge his performance because he didn't put up 400 yards of offense each half.
All that other crap is to be seen. Of course ideally we could give him years to improve but we don't have that option so we need him to do just what he did and hopefully a little better next time.
You think Steelers are the first team to stack the box?
Look man, you said your major concern was the Steelers completely shutting down our run game in the 2nd. As stated, the reason is twofold: their defensive adjustments, and DTR's inability/ refusal to throw anything over the top, the latter you inexplicably disputed. Those two reasons resulted in no offense and an INT for most of that half. You can't win football games like that, and it is a miracle we did.
Not only am I not surprised the Steelers stacked the box, I am convinced others will follow their lead. That will have similar results as long as DTR is under center. If Flacco shakes off any rust quickly, he is the answer. Look at those YouTube highlights.
Basically, we are a serviceable QB shy of a team that can not only reach the play-offs, but win games when we do. I have a deep seeded desire to see that, but have no faith that DTR is that QB (for the foreseeable future), and some hope Flacco is!
Look man, you said your major concern was the Steelers completely shutting down our run game in the 2nd. As stated, the reason is twofold: their defensive adjustments, and DTR's inability/ refusal to throw anything over the top, the latter you inexplicably disputed. Those two reasons resulted in no offense and an INT for most of that half. You can't win football games like that, and it is a miracle we did.
Not only am I not surprised the Steelers stacked the box, I am convinced others will follow their lead. That will have similar results as long as DTR is under center. If Flacco shakes off any rust quickly, he is the answer. Look at those YouTube highlights.
Basically, we are a serviceable QB shy of a team that can not only reach the play-offs, but win games when we do. I have a deep seeded desire to see that, but have no faith that DTR is that QB (for the foreseeable future), and some hope Flacco is!
1) It's been suggested DTR didn't throw deep because Stefanski wouldn't let him throw deep. Having his receivers drop seven passes that hit them in the hands didn't help either. I've been screaming about Kev's turtle ball game plan. Not only were the Steelers playing nine in the box, they were sitting on the short routes too. FWIW, DTR SHOULD have plenty of arm. The combine jugs gun said his release speed was up in the Josh Allen range. So let's see how DTR does in Denver before we call him a lost cause.
2) Flacco shake off rust? More like finds the fountain of youth. There's a reason the Jets didn't give him a call when Rodgers went down. They had seen enough of Joe, and were of the opinion he's not very good. Even career wise, that's pretty much true.
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Look man, you said your major concern was the Steelers completely shutting down our run game in the 2nd. As stated, the reason is twofold: their defensive adjustments, and DTR's inability/ refusal to throw anything over the top, the latter you inexplicably disputed. Those two reasons resulted in no offense and an INT for most of that half. You can't win football games like that, and it is a miracle we did.
Not only am I not surprised the Steelers stacked the box, I am convinced others will follow their lead. That will have similar results as long as DTR is under center. If Flacco shakes off any rust quickly, he is the answer. Look at those YouTube highlights.
Basically, we are a serviceable QB shy of a team that can not only reach the play-offs, but win games when we do. I have a deep seeded desire to see that, but have no faith that DTR is that QB (for the foreseeable future), and some hope Flacco is!
1) It's been suggested DTR didn't throw deep because Stefanski wouldn't let him throw deep. Having his receivers drop seven passes that hit them in the hands didn't help either. I've been screaming about Kev's turtle ball game plan. Not only were the Steelers playing nine in the box, they were sitting on the short routes too. FWIW, DTR SHOULD have plenty of arm. The combine jugs gun said his release speed was up in the Josh Allen range. So let's see how DTR does in Denver before we call him a lost cause.
2) Flacco shake off rust? More like finds the fountain of youth. There's a reason the Jets didn't give him a call when Rodgers went down. They had seen enough of Joe, and were of the opinion he's not very good. Even career wise, that's pretty much true.
1) It's been suggested DTR didn't throw deep because Stefanski wouldn't let him throw deep. Having his receivers drop seven passes that hit them in the hands didn't help either. I've been screaming about Kev's turtle ball game plan. Not only were the Steelers playing nine in the box, they were sitting on the short routes too. FWIW, DTR SHOULD have plenty of arm. The combine jugs gun said his release speed was up in the Josh Allen range. So let's see how DTR does in Denver before we call him a lost cause.
2) Flacco shake off rust? More like finds the fountain of youth. There's a reason the Jets didn't give him a call when Rodgers went down. They had seen enough of Joe, and were of the opinion he's not very good. Even career wise, that's pretty much true.
1) I think @tiamat63's assessment that his high throws put the fear of god into the coaching staff is probably pretty accurate. They had him on a leash, because they were terrified of giving the steelers a big play. They know Pitt's top-tier edge rushers, they saw what DTR deep balls looked like against baltimore, saw some higher throws and they went full conservative. The rookie did make a few nice throws on the game winning drive though, when unleashed. By then PITT wasn't stacking the box as much anymore, too.
DTR has an NFL arm, his deep accuracy and decision making are question marks though.
Can't call DTR a lost cause even if Denver is bad, he's a 5th round project guy - pretty rarely you see those guys step into the NFL and succeed in their rookie year. Need time in the oven and good coaching to develop the rawness. Part of why he dropped so much is he was in college for 5 years, guess teams lose some hope on developing 24-year old prospects.
2) Tbh, I think the Jets would absolutely love Flacco over the options they have now - besides Rodgers. I think based on seeing Flacco last year he still has enough in the tank, but I'd rather see the rookie go on a miracle run.
I'm just not optimistic about DTR, love his personality and attitude - just don't think he's ready to compete at a high level in the NFL, yet. The word on the street is the Browns love Flacco, they will call his name sooner rather than later if needed.
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1) It's been suggested DTR didn't throw deep because Stefanski wouldn't let him throw deep. Having his receivers drop seven passes that hit them in the hands didn't help either. I've been screaming about Kev's turtle ball game plan. Not only were the Steelers playing nine in the box, they were sitting on the short routes too. FWIW, DTR SHOULD have plenty of arm. The combine jugs gun said his release speed was up in the Josh Allen range. So let's see how DTR does in Denver before we call him a lost cause.
2) Flacco shake off rust? More like finds the fountain of youth. There's a reason the Jets didn't give him a call when Rodgers went down. They had seen enough of Joe, and were of the opinion he's not very good. Even career wise, that's pretty much true.
1) I think @tiamat63's assessment that his high throws put the fear of god into the coaching staff is probably pretty accurate. They had him on a leash, because they were terrified of giving the steelers a big play. They know Pitt's top-tier edge rushers, they saw what DTR deep balls looked like against baltimore, saw some higher throws and they went full conservative. The rookie did make a few nice throws on the game winning drive though, when unleashed. By then PITT wasn't stacking the box as much anymore, too.
DTR has an NFL arm, his deep accuracy and decision making are question marks though.
Can't call DTR a lost cause even if Denver is bad, he's a 5th round project guy - pretty rarely you see those guys step into the NFL and succeed in their rookie year. Need time in the oven and good coaching to develop the rawness. Part of why he dropped so much is he was in college for 5 years, guess teams lose some hope on developing 24-year old prospects.
2) Tbh, I think the Jets would absolutely love Flacco over the options they have now - besides Rodgers. I think based on seeing Flacco last year he still has enough in the tank, but I'd rather see the rookie go on a miracle run.
I'm just not optimistic about DTR, love his personality and attitude - just don't think he's ready to compete at a high level in the NFL, yet. The word on the street is the Browns love Flacco, they will call his name sooner rather than later if needed.
1) I think @tiamat63's assessment that his high throws put the fear of god into the coaching staff is probably pretty accurate. They had him on a leash, because they were terrified of giving the steelers a big play. They know Pitt's top-tier edge rushers, they saw what DTR deep balls looked like against baltimore, saw some higher throws and they went full conservative. The rookie did make a few nice throws on the game winning drive though, when unleashed. By then PITT wasn't stacking the box as much anymore, too.
DTR has an NFL arm, his deep accuracy and decision making are question marks though.
Can't call DTR a lost cause even if Denver is bad, he's a 5th round project guy - pretty rarely you see those guys step into the NFL and succeed in their rookie year. Need time in the oven and good coaching to develop the rawness. Part of why he dropped so much is he was in college for 5 years, guess teams lose some hope on developing 24-year old prospects.
2) Tbh, I think the Jets would absolutely love Flacco over the options they have now - besides Rodgers. I think based on seeing Flacco last year he still has enough in the tank, but I'd rather see the rookie go on a miracle run.
I'm just not optimistic about DTR, love his personality and attitude - just don't think he's ready to compete at a high level in the NFL, yet. The word on the street is the Browns love Flacco, they will call his name sooner rather than later if needed.
DTR needs a season or 2 under his belt before you can make an honest eval on the kid.. I like his attitude and willingness to work hard... Dare I say it... I think he has more potench than Jenny Pickett!
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Didn't respond to you as if you wanted to cut him either. You couldn't understand not going deep or making throws down field on a banged up secondary. I'm not saying he could if he wanted to but neither can we judge his performance as that clearly wasn't in their plans. A lot of good teams with their starters in full force even get in a rut and produce no offense at times. That's expected from someone just stepping in to face a division rival with the quality the Steelers D brings. You simply can't judge his performance because he didn't put up 400 yards of offense each half.
All that other crap is to be seen. Of course ideally we could give him years to improve but we don't have that option so we need him to do just what he did and hopefully a little better next time.
You think Steelers are the first team to stack the box?
Look man, you said your major concern was the Steelers completely shutting down our run game in the 2nd. As stated, the reason is twofold: their defensive adjustments, and DTR's inability/ refusal to throw anything over the top, the latter you inexplicably disputed. Those two reasons resulted in no offense and an INT for most of that half. You can't win football games like that, and it is a miracle we did.
Not only am I not surprised the Steelers stacked the box, I am convinced others will follow their lead. That will have similar results as long as DTR is under center. If Flacco shakes off any rust quickly, he is the answer. Look at those YouTube highlights.
Basically, we are a serviceable QB shy of a team that can not only reach the play-offs, but win games when we do. I have a deep seeded desire to see that, but have no faith that DTR is that QB (for the foreseeable future), and some hope Flacco is!
Not only am I not surprised the Steelers stacked the box, I am convinced others will follow their lead. That will have similar results as long as DTR is under center. If Flacco shakes off any rust quickly, he is the answer. Look at those YouTube highlights.
This. The video I posted was only a year ago. He was carving up the Browns secondary with ease, and he has a couple passes to Elijah Moore, which is also a plus. Because we already have a receiver that he's familiar with. I don't think Joe lost it yet, just needs to be brought up to speed on the offense.
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Look man, you said your major concern was the Steelers completely shutting down our run game in the 2nd. As stated, the reason is twofold: their defensive adjustments, and DTR's inability/ refusal to throw anything over the top, the latter you inexplicably disputed. Those two reasons resulted in no offense and an INT for most of that half. You can't win football games like that, and it is a miracle we did.
Not only am I not surprised the Steelers stacked the box, I am convinced others will follow their lead. That will have similar results as long as DTR is under center. If Flacco shakes off any rust quickly, he is the answer. Look at those YouTube highlights.
Basically, we are a serviceable QB shy of a team that can not only reach the play-offs, but win games when we do. I have a deep seeded desire to see that, but have no faith that DTR is that QB (for the foreseeable future), and some hope Flacco is!
1) It's been suggested DTR didn't throw deep because Stefanski wouldn't let him throw deep. Having his receivers drop seven passes that hit them in the hands didn't help either. I've been screaming about Kev's turtle ball game plan. Not only were the Steelers playing nine in the box, they were sitting on the short routes too. FWIW, DTR SHOULD have plenty of arm. The combine jugs gun said his release speed was up in the Josh Allen range. So let's see how DTR does in Denver before we call him a lost cause.
2) Flacco shake off rust? More like finds the fountain of youth. There's a reason the Jets didn't give him a call when Rodgers went down. They had seen enough of Joe, and were of the opinion he's not very good. Even career wise, that's pretty much true.
1) It's been suggested DTR didn't throw deep because Stefanski wouldn't let him throw deep. Having his receivers drop seven passes that hit them in the hands didn't help either. I've been screaming about Kev's turtle ball game plan. Not only were the Steelers playing nine in the box, they were sitting on the short routes too. FWIW, DTR SHOULD have plenty of arm. The combine jugs gun said his release speed was up in the Josh Allen range. So let's see how DTR does in Denver before we call him a lost cause.
2) Flacco shake off rust? More like finds the fountain of youth. There's a reason the Jets didn't give him a call when Rodgers went down. They had seen enough of Joe, and were of the opinion he's not very good. Even career wise, that's pretty much true.
Him having plenty of arm is not in question. I remember a pre-season metric that showed his passes travelled at the fastest speed of all QBs. In order to successfully throw deep, you need power + accuracy though. While DTR might develop that at some point, he has showed nothing of the sorts at this point. Conversely, on his short throws against the Stoolers in the 2nd half, he put way too much on the ball, which resulted in drops. He needs to learn how to control his arm, and the pace he puts on the ball. That will take time.
I am no where near calling DTR a "lost cause" for the future, but when it comes to this season? That's an affermative!
2) Couldn't disagree more. The YouTube clip @neo posted is only from one year ago like he said, and Joe accurately carved up our secondary like a friggin Thanksgiving turkey!
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1) It's been suggested DTR didn't throw deep because Stefanski wouldn't let him throw deep. Having his receivers drop seven passes that hit them in the hands didn't help either. I've been screaming about Kev's turtle ball game plan. Not only were the Steelers playing nine in the box, they were sitting on the short routes too. FWIW, DTR SHOULD have plenty of arm. The combine jugs gun said his release speed was up in the Josh Allen range. So let's see how DTR does in Denver before we call him a lost cause.
2) Flacco shake off rust? More like finds the fountain of youth. There's a reason the Jets didn't give him a call when Rodgers went down. They had seen enough of Joe, and were of the opinion he's not very good. Even career wise, that's pretty much true.
Him having plenty of arm is not in question. I remember a pre-season metric that showed his passes travelled at the fastest speed of all QBs. In order to successfully throw deep, you need power + accuracy though. While DTR might develop that at some point, he has showed nothing of the sorts at this point. Conversely, on his short throws against the Stoolers in the 2nd half, he put way too much on the ball, which resulted in drops. He needs to learn how to control his arm, and the pace he puts on the ball. That will take time.
I am no where near calling DTR a "lost cause" for the future, but when it comes to this season? That's an affermative!
2) Couldn't disagree more. The YouTube clip @neo posted is only from one year ago like he said, and Joe accurately carved up our secondary like a friggin Thanksgiving turkey!
The YouTube clip @neo posted is only from one year ago like he said, and Joe accurately carved up our secondary like a friggin Thanksgiving turkey!
Once again, in almost 200 attempts last season, Flacco completed passes at a paltry 57% rate for a miniscule 5.5 yards per attempt.
Basing your enthusiasm over one game vs a Joe Woods lead Browns defense that at the beginning of the season was blowing one pass defense assignment after another is possibly a little optimistic.
That being said, there has to be definite progress in DTR in the coming weeks, or a move to Flacco has to be made. We can't depend on the defense to be great every week.
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Flaco is an old QB, proven vet. If he has to go in there and play he won't be a rookie seeing things for the first time. It's about the best we can do at this point.
We're 7-3. And it's great. We'll enjoy this Thanksgiving weekend with the afterglow of a victory over the Steelers warming our hearts. But...in reality...we're still a team that lost it's starting QB. Certainly we don't have any championship aspirations. We'd just like to see the team qualify for the playoffs.
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The YouTube clip @neo posted is only from one year ago like he said, and Joe accurately carved up our secondary like a friggin Thanksgiving turkey!
Once again, in almost 200 attempts last season, Flacco completed passes at a paltry 57% rate for a miniscule 5.5 yards per attempt.
Basing your enthusiasm over one game vs a Joe Woods lead Browns defense that at the beginning of the season was blowing one pass defense assignment after another is possibly a little optimistic.
That being said, there has to be definite progress in DTR in the coming weeks, or a move to Flacco has to be made. We can't depend on the defense to be great every week.
Once again, in almost 200 attempts last season, Flacco completed passes at a paltry 57% rate for a miniscule 5.7 yards per attempt.
Basing your enthusiasm over one game vs a Joe Woods lead Browns defense that at the beginning of the season was blowing one pass defense assignment after another is possibly a little optimistic.
That being said, there has to be definite progress in DTR in the coming weeks, or a move to Flacco has to be made. We can't depend on the defense to be great every week.
I'm not suggesting that I'm against a move to Flacco, but you had better believe DTR is at least going to get the Rams game to prove he's not ready for prime time.
Yeah, those crowing about Joe destroying the Browns.... Can we say outlier? Just like the Broncos could have been on the historical losing end of ignominiously giving up a record number of points against the Dolphins- except the 'Fins did the mercy rule and pulled their starters.
Regarding the Jets game last year... Bullshit. I was at the game, and it's one of the very few I left early (the game was in the bag) it took an epic Cleveland defensive collapse and an onside kick recovery. Joe was 59% passing that game and lost a fumble. There is no way in hell the Browns should have lost that game. ?
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We will learn a lot after Denver, I’m all about the underdog rookie success story. DTR has a great attitude, whereas Flacco is just “They are the only ones who called me and I still wanna play football”
But it’s about performance overall, I’m not as negative on Flacco as others. I think our roster is a better fit for an old Flacco than anywhere else he’s been post-ravens. He can make some touchdowns and limit the turnovers, while relying on the run. All we can ask for. We still have a great run game post-Chubb, outran the ravens even. That’s just hard if the QB can’t throw past 10 yards accurately.
Id love DTR to get his first touchdown(s) in Mile high on route to a win, and repeat in LA near his alumni. But if he posts another 50 or less QBR I’d stick a fork in him. At this point I support whatever stefanski decides though.
….and Walker, nice guy, seems good for the locker room. But he doesn’t belong on an NFL field, I expect a demotion back to practice squad in his near future
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Practice Wednesday.. #15 it is
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The YouTube clip @neo posted is only from one year ago like he said, and Joe accurately carved up our secondary like a friggin Thanksgiving turkey!
Once again, in almost 200 attempts last season, Flacco completed passes at a paltry 57% rate for a miniscule 5.5 yards per attempt.
Basing your enthusiasm over one game vs a Joe Woods lead Browns defense that at the beginning of the season was blowing one pass defense assignment after another is possibly a little optimistic.
That being said, there has to be definite progress in DTR in the coming weeks, or a move to Flacco has to be made. We can't depend on the defense to be great every week.
Once again, in almost 200 attempts last season, Flacco completed passes at a paltry 57% rate for a miniscule 5.5 yards per attempt.
Basing your enthusiasm over one game vs a Joe Woods lead Browns defense that at the beginning of the season was blowing one pass defense assignment after another is possibly a little optimistic.
That being said, there has to be definite progress in DTR in the coming weeks, or a move to Flacco has to be made. We can't depend on the defense to be great every week.
Please don't mistake my complete lack of belief in DTR as starter at this point in time, for over-enthusiasm for Flacco. If 57% is paltry and 5.5 YPA is miniscule, what do you call the 42.4 and 3.7 DTR has mustered, along with 2 Interceptions per game? You might be better off not fielding a QB and just rushing each down. Heck, against Denver's D, that might actually be viable!
To be honest, I am secretly still hoping that Berry will literally be begging Brady each week, sending him messages like:
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Once again, in almost 200 attempts last season, Flacco completed passes at a paltry 57% rate for a miniscule 5.7 yards per attempt.
Basing your enthusiasm over one game vs a Joe Woods lead Browns defense that at the beginning of the season was blowing one pass defense assignment after another is possibly a little optimistic.
That being said, there has to be definite progress in DTR in the coming weeks, or a move to Flacco has to be made. We can't depend on the defense to be great every week.
I'm not suggesting that I'm against a move to Flacco, but you had better believe DTR is at least going to get the Rams game to prove he's not ready for prime time.
Yeah, those crowing about Joe destroying the Browns.... Can we say outlier? Just like the Broncos could have been on the historical losing end of ignominiously giving up a record number of points against the Dolphins- except the 'Fins did the mercy rule and pulled their starters.
Regarding the Jets game last year... Bullshit. I was at the game, and it's one of the very few I left early (the game was in the bag) it took an epic Cleveland defensive collapse and an onside kick recovery. Joe was 59% passing that game and lost a fumble. There is no way in hell the Browns should have lost that game. ?
I'm not suggesting that I'm against a move to Flacco, but you had better believe DTR is at least going to get the Rams game to prove he's not ready for prime time.
Yeah, those crowing about Joe destroying the Browns.... Can we say outlier? Just like the Broncos could have been on the historical losing end of ignominiously giving up a record number of points against the Dolphins- except the 'Fins did the mercy rule and pulled their starters.
Regarding the Jets game last year... Bullshit. I was at the game, and it's one of the very few I left early (the game was in the bag) it took an epic Cleveland defensive collapse and an onside kick recovery. Joe was 59% passing that game and lost a fumble. There is no way in hell the Browns should have lost that game. ?
Are you trying to have a conversation or win an argument? The final score was 31-30 with Flacco throwing for 307 yards and 4 TD passes behind the same OL Aaron Rodgers couldn't survive his 1st series of 2023 with. That was one of the only teams that had to beat Cleveland with the pass instead of the gimme on the ground. Ok, so Joe fumbled the ball away like Tom Brady threw a pick 6 to the Falcons in the Super Bowl before winning the game at the end like Flacco did vrs the Browns.
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Once again, in almost 200 attempts last season, Flacco completed passes at a paltry 57% rate for a miniscule 5.5 yards per attempt.
Basing your enthusiasm over one game vs a Joe Woods lead Browns defense that at the beginning of the season was blowing one pass defense assignment after another is possibly a little optimistic.
That being said, there has to be definite progress in DTR in the coming weeks, or a move to Flacco has to be made. We can't depend on the defense to be great every week.
Please don't mistake my complete lack of belief in DTR as starter at this point in time, for over-enthusiasm for Flacco. If 57% is paltry and 5.5 YPA is miniscule, what do you call the 42.4 and 3.7 DTR has mustered, along with 2 Interceptions per game? You might be better off not fielding a QB and just rushing each down. Heck, against Denver's D, that might actually be viable!
To be honest, I am secretly still hoping that Berry will literally be begging Brady each week, sending him messages like:
Please don't mistake my complete lack of belief in DTR as starter at this point in time, for over-enthusiasm for Flacco. If 57% is paltry and 5.5 YPA is miniscule, what do you call the 42.4 and 3.7 DTR has mustered, along with 2 Interceptions per game? You might be better off not fielding a QB and just rushing each down. Heck, against Denver's D, that might actually be viable!
To be honest, I am secretly still hoping that Berry will literally be begging Brady each week, sending him messages like:
I guess my thinking is this regarding DTR vs Flacco.
DTR was making his second NFL start in his rookie season. I hope his paltry numbers can continue to improve.
Flacco's poor numbers were in a big sample size that indicates that's where he's regressed to.
But I have no problem going to Flacco if it seems in two weeks that this is too much for DTR. If he's just stuck in neutral, or dog forbid regresses, bring in the vet.
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Please don't mistake my complete lack of belief in DTR as starter at this point in time, for over-enthusiasm for Flacco. If 57% is paltry and 5.5 YPA is miniscule, what do you call the 42.4 and 3.7 DTR has mustered, along with 2 Interceptions per game? You might be better off not fielding a QB and just rushing each down. Heck, against Denver's D, that might actually be viable!
To be honest, I am secretly still hoping that Berry will literally be begging Brady each week, sending him messages like:
I guess my thinking is this regarding DTR vs Flacco.
DTR was making his second NFL start in his rookie season. I hope his paltry numbers can continue to improve.
Flacco's poor numbers were in a big sample size that indicates that's where he's regressed to.
But I have no problem going to Flacco if it seems in two weeks that this is too much for DTR. If he's just stuck in neutral, or dog forbid regresses, bring in the vet.
I guess my thinking is this regarding DTR vs Flacco.
DTR was making his second NFL start in his rookie season. I hope his paltry numbers can continue to improve.
Flacco's poor numbers were in a big sample size that indicates that's where he's regressed to.
But I have no problem going to Flacco if it seems in two weeks that this is too much for DTR. If he's just stuck in neutral, or dog forbid regresses, bring in the vet.
Well said! I understand concerns with DTR's lack of experience and the conservative play calling in the passing game because of that; AND going with 2 backup tackles protecting both edges in a rivalry rematch (vrs a Steelers edge rush that scored 2 TDs against the Browns in week 2). Former DB and commentator Charles Davis did our game was repeatedly questioning throwing the ball under 10 yards to outmanned/well covered Receivers. Njoku dropping multiple passes only made matters worse until he finally focused. All that congestion in the box and concern about Watt and Highsmith facing backups - wasn't an easy outing no matter who was going to play QB that game.
I have to guess both Joe Flacco and Aaron Rodgers are much better QBs than the Jets Offensive Line allowed them to be. If the Browns can get Dawand Jones back healthy enough for fulltime duty, things should get better. I think we'll see some deeper throws this week; but that means we need more WRs than just Amari Cooper consistently winning their matchups. Not impossible by any means this week as long as the Browns stay focused and don't get careless...
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Please don't mistake my complete lack of belief in DTR as starter at this point in time, for over-enthusiasm for Flacco. If 57% is paltry and 5.5 YPA is miniscule, what do you call the 42.4 and 3.7 DTR has mustered, along with 2 Interceptions per game? You might be better off not fielding a QB and just rushing each down. Heck, against Denver's D, that might actually be viable!
To be honest, I am secretly still hoping that Berry will literally be begging Brady each week, sending him messages like:
I guess my thinking is this regarding DTR vs Flacco.
DTR was making his second NFL start in his rookie season. I hope his paltry numbers can continue to improve.
Flacco's poor numbers were in a big sample size that indicates that's where he's regressed to.
But I have no problem going to Flacco if it seems in two weeks that this is too much for DTR. If he's just stuck in neutral, or dog forbid regresses, bring in the vet.
I guess my thinking is this regarding DTR vs Flacco.
DTR was making his second NFL start in his rookie season. I hope his paltry numbers can continue to improve.
Flacco's poor numbers were in a big sample size that indicates that's where he's regressed to.
But I have no problem going to Flacco if it seems in two weeks that this is too much for DTR. If he's just stuck in neutral, or dog forbid regresses, bring in the vet.
I am just hearing a lot of 'hopium' about DTR. Like I pointed out, his current stats are a lot worse than Flacco's from last season.
If we are going to speculate, I don't see DTR's stats making up jump to Flacco's level soon. He has shown lack control over his canon arm strength, threw passes high and behind, and put way too much on short passes to the flats. That takes seasons to fix, not weeks. And in the first shot of him after the Pittsburgh game, he was clearly hyperventilating. Understandable given his inexperience, but also something that needs time. Time we don't have if we want to reach the play-offs.
In contrast, I do see potential for Flacco's stats improving, because we have a better O-line than the Jets (with the caveat that Dawand get and stays healthy, like @flugel mentioned). To me, the only questions are rust and playbook. If Flacco shakes off any rust, and gets familiar with our playbook (possibly tailored slightly more to him), choosing of Flacco over DTR to win us games this year seems self-evident.
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I guess my thinking is this regarding DTR vs Flacco.
DTR was making his second NFL start in his rookie season. I hope his paltry numbers can continue to improve.
Flacco's poor numbers were in a big sample size that indicates that's where he's regressed to.
But I have no problem going to Flacco if it seems in two weeks that this is too much for DTR. If he's just stuck in neutral, or dog forbid regresses, bring in the vet.
I am just hearing a lot of 'hopium' about DTR. Like I pointed out, his current stats are a lot worse than Flacco's from last season.
If we are going to speculate, I don't see DTR's stats making up jump to Flacco's level soon. He has shown lack control over his canon arm strength, threw passes high and behind, and put way too much on short passes to the flats. That takes seasons to fix, not weeks. And in the first shot of him after the Pittsburgh game, he was clearly hyperventilating. Understandable given his inexperience, but also something that needs time. Time we don't have if we want to reach the play-offs.
In contrast, I do see potential for Flacco's stats improving, because we have a better O-line than the Jets (with the caveat that Dawand get and stays healthy, like @flugel mentioned). To me, the only questions are rust and playbook. If Flacco shakes off any rust, and gets familiar with our playbook (possibly tailored slightly more to him), choosing of Flacco over DTR to win us games this year seems self-evident.
To me, the only questions are rust and playbook. If Flacco shakes off any rust, and gets familiar with our playbook (possibly tailored slightly more to him), choosing of Flacco over DTR to win us games this year seems self-evident.
Get JF familiar with WR/TE speed/ depth of routes in playbook.. (not easy with DTR getting most the starting reps)
You'd think Stef would be wise to get Flacco running parts of Brissette's playbook ? (Our two new tackles and few, would need time to learn it)
These are a huge pair of road games for DTR... (rookie QB starting on a 50 man playoff teams roster? tons of pressure..
Adding Flacco feels a hell of a lot better as a QB safety net option, than where we were at weeks ago..
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