WR Production
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Saw that Moore is practicing, that probably means he’ll be back for the wild card game.
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@orion look at the snap counts on PFR. Both Tillman and Bell's increased significantly in the 2nd half of the season, which obviously skews their stats for the whole season. I have been kind of meh about both Moore and Goodwin since their acquisition, but you know how much Stef and Berry love their speed guys and I suppose you have to have at least one of those. Anything beats the 'Schwartz that shall not be named further!'
So with Tillman and Bell behind Coop, along with Goodwin, on top of 3 TEs and a couple of backs to throw to, I am happy with the targets Joe has at his disposal.
The running game is a far greater concern, which is probably largely due to our degraded Line due to all the injuries. That's why I have been beating the dead horse about the possible signing of an addition.
I would like to see Stef stay in that Old School / Anti Analytics play calling mode in the playoffs. Take any points that presents itself. Don't try to stretch a FG into a TD by going for it if it's over QB sneak length. Value the points. The FG is not minus 4. It's plus 3.
You and me both!
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@orion look at the snap counts on PFR. Both Tillman and Bell's increased significantly in the 2nd half of the season, which obviously skews their stats for the whole season. I have been kind of meh about both Moore and Goodwin since their acquisition, but you know how much Stef and Berry love their speed guys and I suppose you have to have at least one of those. Anything beats the 'Schwartz that shall not be named further!'
So with Tillman and Bell behind Coop, along with Goodwin, on top of 3 TEs and a couple of backs to throw to, I am happy with the targets Joe has at his disposal.
The running game is a far greater concern, which is probably largely due to our degraded Line due to all the injuries. That's why I have been beating the dead horse about the possible signing of an addition.
I would like to see Stef stay in that Old School / Anti Analytics play calling mode in the playoffs. Take any points that presents itself. Don't try to stretch a FG into a TD by going for it if it's over QB sneak length. Value the points. The FG is not minus 4. It's plus 3.
You and me both!
@orion look at the snap counts on PFR. Both Tillman and Bell's increased significantly in the 2nd half of the season, which obviously skews their stats for the whole season. I have been kind of meh about both Moore and Goodwin since their acquisition, but you know how much Stef and Berry love their speed guys and I suppose you have to have at least one of those. Anything beats the 'Schwartz that shall not be named further!'
So with Tillman and Bell behind Coop, along with Goodwin, on top of 3 TEs and a couple of backs to throw to, I am happy with the targets Joe has at his disposal.
The running game is a far greater concern, which is probably largely due to our degraded Line due to all the injuries. That's why I have been beating the dead horse about the possible signing of an addition.
You and me both!
Goodwin is a massive disappointment, expected a lot more from him. Especially now with Flacco dicking it vertically every other throw you’d think the speed guy would get separation more often.
I kinda wish we had DPJ with Flacco, I think he’d be a bigger contributor than Tillman - he can get jump balls and finish his routes.
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@orion look at the snap counts on PFR. Both Tillman and Bell's increased significantly in the 2nd half of the season, which obviously skews their stats for the whole season. I have been kind of meh about both Moore and Goodwin since their acquisition, but you know how much Stef and Berry love their speed guys and I suppose you have to have at least one of those. Anything beats the 'Schwartz that shall not be named further!'
So with Tillman and Bell behind Coop, along with Goodwin, on top of 3 TEs and a couple of backs to throw to, I am happy with the targets Joe has at his disposal.
The running game is a far greater concern, which is probably largely due to our degraded Line due to all the injuries. That's why I have been beating the dead horse about the possible signing of an addition.
You and me both!
Goodwin is a massive disappointment, expected a lot more from him. Especially now with Flacco dicking it vertically every other throw you’d think the speed guy would get separation more often.
I kinda wish we had DPJ with Flacco, I think he’d be a bigger contributor than Tillman - he can get jump balls and finish his routes.
I kinda wish we had DPJ with Flacco
Perhaps in the afterlife we can run that scenario.
Production wise they were about the same...a catch or two a game. Of course, right now, the ceiling is unclear for Tillman...he's only a rookie. Bell however, seems to need a defender to fall down to catch a pass of substance.
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I kinda wish we had DPJ with Flacco
Perhaps in the afterlife we can run that scenario.
Production wise they were about the same...a catch or two a game. Of course, right now, the ceiling is unclear for Tillman...he's only a rookie. Bell however, seems to need a defender to fall down to catch a pass of substance.
Bell however, seems to need a defender to fall down to catch a pass of substance.
He's caught 10 passes and still hasn't passed the 100 yard mark... with a 41 yard reception in the mix.
That's almost impressive.
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He's caught 10 passes and still hasn't passed the 100 yard mark... with a 41 yard reception in the mix. (that's the one where the defender fell down)
That's almost impressive.
At least they've drafted receivers. They understand the problem.
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I'm honestly shocked that David Bell hasn't produced more. I was happy when they drafted him.
I'm honestly shocked that David Bell hasn't produced more. I was happy when they drafted him.
I am disappointed as well. I think the guy has good enough hands. His feet are the problem. He just can't get open. He is just a little too slow in straight line speed and isn't a quick twitch guy who can get open because his movements are fast. Some guys can start, turn, stop on a dime. David is more like a guy who can do it on a large tractor tire.
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Giving Bell a pass/fail grade without any type of consistency from the QB spot is a rough go of things.
Especially when he should be occupying that Z or off-ball receiver spot. He doesn't quite have the suddenness and strength to his game that would allow him to play a more "classic" X role like Tillman. And this front office clearly felt Moore was a priority by trading for him and immediately inserting him in the lineup. Not that I blame them for doing as much, but Moore gets snaps where Bell would be getting them. And, as I've said most of the season, using Moore on the outside, especially in the manner they have with him being tagged and/or converting those outside routes vertical, is just a misuse of his proper abilities.
Bell is a smooth strider who needs space to get going, but when he has it he can read and leverage himself well. At least, that was his forte at Purdue. He always reminded me a good bit of Jabar Gaffney. That's the type of receiver, especially giving the salary crunch issues, you want on your team because of his quiet effectiveness.
Moving on from him so early, especially with Moore's future in question because of his last concussion, is premature.
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Giving Bell a pass/fail grade without any type of consistency from the QB spot is a rough go of things.
Especially when he should be occupying that Z or off-ball receiver spot. He doesn't quite have the suddenness and strength to his game that would allow him to play a more "classic" X role like Tillman. And this front office clearly felt Moore was a priority by trading for him and immediately inserting him in the lineup. Not that I blame them for doing as much, but Moore gets snaps where Bell would be getting them. And, as I've said most of the season, using Moore on the outside, especially in the manner they have with him being tagged and/or converting those outside routes vertical, is just a misuse of his proper abilities.
Bell is a smooth strider who needs space to get going, but when he has it he can read and leverage himself well. At least, that was his forte at Purdue. He always reminded me a good bit of Jabar Gaffney. That's the type of receiver, especially giving the salary crunch issues, you want on your team because of his quiet effectiveness.
Moving on from him so early, especially with Moore's future in question because of his last concussion, is premature.
Moving on from him so early, especially with Moore's future in question because of his last concussion, is premature.
You can't move on from him now, of course, but if in the offseason the Browns bring in a legit veteran and perhaps use another 2nd-4th pick on a WR, I could totally see his days being limited. He's a second year player on a team whose WR room consists of Cooper and a whole bunch of JAGs, and he still can't sniff the field.
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Moving on from him so early, especially with Moore's future in question because of his last concussion, is premature.
You can't move on from him now, of course, but if in the offseason the Browns bring in a legit veteran and perhaps use another 2nd-4th pick on a WR, I could totally see his days being limited. He's a second year player on a team whose WR room consists of Cooper and a whole bunch of JAGs, and he still can't sniff the field.
You can't move on from him now, of course, but if in the offseason the Browns bring in
...and you know they'll be looking at that wr room for possible upgrade. He'll once again have competition in camp next year.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Flacco's not getting enough credit for putting the ball on the money, hitting his targets in stride in top speed forward motion. (Njoku/Cooper/Moore)
11-20-23 Joe signed, and started practicing with some core guys..Flacco wasn't named a starter until at Rams week 13.. Dec. 14th (under a month)
Bell,Tillman,Goodwin still don't get many reps with Moore & Coop still practicing ..
Stef possesses a WR3 that all bring differing change-ups
to his play calling schemes
AnD THat's been g?d EnougH !
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You can't move on from him now, of course, but if in the offseason the Browns bring in
...and you know they'll be looking at that wr room for possible upgrade. He'll once again have competition in camp next year.
...and you know they'll be looking at that wr room for possible upgrade. He'll once again have competition in camp next year.
I would hope they would extend Cooper, maybe a three year deal.
I doubt Goodwin would be back, he has all of what.... four receptions? I think Moore will be on his last year of his rookie contract.
I'd like a speedy slot guy to complement Cooper and the bigger Tillman in the draft.
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I'm honestly shocked that David Bell hasn't produced more. I was happy when they drafted him.
I am disappointed as well. I think the guy has good enough hands. His feet are the problem. He just can't get open. He is just a little too slow in straight line speed and isn't a quick twitch guy who can get open because his movements are fast. Some guys can start, turn, stop on a dime. David is more like a guy who can do it on a large tractor tire.
I am disappointed as well. I think the guy has good enough hands. His feet are the problem. He just can't get open. He is just a little too slow in straight line speed and isn't a quick twitch guy who can get open because his movements are fast. Some guys can start, turn, stop on a dime. David is more like a guy who can do it on a large tractor tire.
DAVID BELL sightings in the endzone lol
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Speaking of Wide Receivers...
If the Bears decide that they believe in Justin Fields as their longterm QB (I have serious questions about this, but for the sake of this post let's just go with it) they could end up with a shenanigans Draft Day the movie scenario.
With their #1 overall pick (which they got from trading down last draft with Carolina) they could trade down to #2 so a team could take USC QB Caleb Williams, and probably pick up that team's first rounder in 2025. Then, they could trade down again so a team could take North Carolina QB Drake Maye, and probably pick up that team's first rounder in 2025 too. Then with that pick and their own first rounder (which will end up being a top 10 pick if they lose to the Packers now) they could end up with 2 of the 3 best WRs in the draft.
And they'd have three first rounders in 2025.
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Speaking of Wide Receivers...
If the Bears decide that they believe in Justin Fields as their longterm QB (I have serious questions about this, but for the sake of this post let's just go with it) they could end up with a shenanigans Draft Day the movie scenario.
With their #1 overall pick (which they got from trading down last draft with Carolina) they could trade down to #2 so a team could take USC QB Caleb Williams, and probably pick up that team's first rounder in 2025. Then, they could trade down again so a team could take North Carolina QB Drake Maye, and probably pick up that team's first rounder in 2025 too. Then with that pick and their own first rounder (which will end up being a top 10 pick if they lose to the Packers now) they could end up with 2 of the 3 best WRs in the draft.
And they'd have three first rounders in 2025.
Speaking of Wide Receivers...
If the Bears decide that they believe in Justin Fields as their longterm QB (I have serious questions about this, but for the sake of this post let's just go with it) they could end up with a shenanigans Draft Day the movie scenario.
With their #1 overall pick (which they got from trading down last draft with Carolina) they could trade down to #2 so a team could take USC QB Caleb Williams, and probably pick up that team's first rounder in 2025. Then, they could trade down again so a team could take North Carolina QB Drake Maye, and probably pick up that team's first rounder in 2025 too. Then with that pick and their own first rounder (which will end up being a top 10 pick if they lose to the Packers now) they could end up with 2 of the 3 best WRs in the draft.
And they'd have three first rounders in 2025.
Oh goody, draft talk is back in style again. Love this time of the year when it finally starts rolling around. Let's hope we gave Houston #32 overall.?
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Speaking of Wide Receivers...
If the Bears decide that they believe in Justin Fields as their longterm QB (I have serious questions about this, but for the sake of this post let's just go with it) they could end up with a shenanigans Draft Day the movie scenario.
With their #1 overall pick (which they got from trading down last draft with Carolina) they could trade down to #2 so a team could take USC QB Caleb Williams, and probably pick up that team's first rounder in 2025. Then, they could trade down again so a team could take North Carolina QB Drake Maye, and probably pick up that team's first rounder in 2025 too. Then with that pick and their own first rounder (which will end up being a top 10 pick if they lose to the Packers now) they could end up with 2 of the 3 best WRs in the draft.
And they'd have three first rounders in 2025.
Oh goody, draft talk is back in style again. Love this time of the year when it finally starts rolling around. Let's hope we gave Houston #32 overall.?
Oh goody, draft talk is back in style again. Love this time of the year when it finally starts rolling around. Let's hope we gave Houston #32 overall.?
That would be nice!
I'm one of those weirdos who can talk about what is going on with the Browns now AND also converse about something that is happening later AT THE SAME TIME.
I have mad black magic skills. ?
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Bell acquitted himself nicely today.
Come on meow.
Down 31-0, Bell scored a couple garbage-time touchdowns, finally showing something in Game 34 of his NFL career.
Feel free to bring this up come next September when he's one of our top 3 WRs and contributing in games that matter. I honestly hope you can throw this post in my face, because I have some serious doubts about his future with this team.
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Bell acquitted himself nicely today.
Come on meow.
Down 31-0, Bell scored a couple garbage-time touchdowns, finally showing something in Game 34 of his NFL career.
Feel free to bring this up come next September when he's one of our top 3 WRs and contributing in games that matter. I honestly hope you can throw this post in my face, because I have some serious doubts about his future with this team.
Come on meow.
Down 31-0, Bell scored a couple garbage-time touchdowns, finally showing something in Game 34 of his NFL career.
Feel free to bring this up come next September when he's one of our top 3 WRs and contributing in games that matter. I honestly hope you can throw this post in my face, because I have some serious doubts about his future with this team.
You're not a belligerent douchebag, I wouldn't do that sort of thing.
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Come on meow.
Down 31-0, Bell scored a couple garbage-time touchdowns, finally showing something in Game 34 of his NFL career.
Feel free to bring this up come next September when he's one of our top 3 WRs and contributing in games that matter. I honestly hope you can throw this post in my face, because I have some serious doubts about his future with this team.
You're not a belligerent douchebag, I wouldn't do that sort of thing.
You're not a belligerent douchebag, I wouldn't do that sort of thing.
But it would mean he's doing well, and at the end of the day that's the only thing I care about
I'm more of an adorable douchebag, by the way.
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