Mangini....lost players already?
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Ryan's problem is he lacks personal, but at least I see more movement and stunting now rather than the old bore of yesteryear.
The Mangini "losing" players thing IMO may have happened Sunday. I even brought it up before the game on its effect on the players. The Browns effort level was BAD. Against the Vikings, they tried. It was just the Vikings came out in the 2nd half and smacked the crap out of a talentless defense. Then the INT. It snowballed.
This was a poor non-effort Sunday.
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I don't know all the details, but I think the fine for the water incident was a great move. Do we know who it was? For many players on the team 1700 bucks isn't all that much. If they want to skip out on the bill while representing the Browns, it oughta sting a bit.
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Agree totally D&S.
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We'll revisit this thread when we are 0-6
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You believe the players stopped playing because of a fine over a bottle of water?
Come on, lets get real, I could see that in HS, they are professionals and should not allow stupid shit like that bother them. And if they do then I would gladly say see ya later Jack and dont let the door hit you in the Ass on your way out.
We need football players not a bunch of estrogen run pussies.
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Come on earth...that is a dick move....way to motivate !!! Just callin it like I see it....if he was my boss, I'd think it was a dick move.
Someone broke a rule...just pay for what you take..it isn't hard to follow a rule.
I am sure the player wasn't happy about it, but too bad...I don't think the players quit, and while the others players may think it a severe move, I think most think the player involved is a bit of a goof for not being able to follow such a simple, fundamental rule of life....pay for what you take.
How hard is that??
When you get right down to it, other than value, there is no difference between taking a bottle of water over taking one of the pictures on the wall.
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Fine for the water .... team & player learns.... message sent .... issue done. If I were a player earning the $$ they do, the fine is relative to the infraction. Or else find a new job if you dont agree. And yea if thats what you think bein a dick is, well so be it. I can tell you held no position of authority in your life, otherwise I think you would nt be so one sided. JMO.
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I haven't seen anything on the field that makes me think the team has quit. I've seen teams quit under RAC, and this doesn't look the same.
Tired. Yes. Not as talented as they guys they face. Yes. Not quitting, yet.
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Water, schmater.
We don't know the details. If it was a veteran, who makes millions and millions, he doesn't get a message if you
fine him 3 bucks, and he knows he wasn't supposed to take stuff out of the bar/fridge without paying for it.
If it's a rookie, and he hasn't been around enough to know that it wasn't okay to take stuff and the team would just pay for it...
whatever.
If you were a coach, and a veteran player on your team had done it before several times, and broke other small rules,
wouldn't you hammer him?
It is only bogus as much as you assume details to fit out of angst that the Browns lost.
The Browns are playing with more excitement and aggressiveness than I ever saw while Crennel was coach.
It's the second game, for crying out loud.
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This team Quit in the 4th Qtr in Denver. I'm saying it...I think it's true. No fun at all to play for EM. Now he finesplayers Mximum allowed under collective bargaining agreement 1700 Bux ... for not paying for water? Fine them the cost of the water and time associated fixing situation...1700.00 That's just a Dick move! Moves like this cause players to quit, treating these players like children causes players to quit, DUDE needs to realize that getting the most out of a team means they want to play for you, for the team, for the town and have a ball doing it....1700.00 for water??? wat a douche
This team Quit in the 4th Qtr in Denver. I'm saying it...I think it's true. No fun at all to play for EM. Now he finesplayers Mximum allowed under collective bargaining agreement 1700 Bux ... for not paying for water? Fine them the cost of the water and time associated fixing situation...1700.00 That's just a Dick move! Moves like this cause players to quit, treating these players like children causes players to quit, DUDE needs to realize that getting the most out of a team means they want to play for you, for the team, for the town and have a ball doing it....1700.00 for water??? wat a douche
Like I said before these player need a coach not a father. $1700 is bullshit.
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This team Quit in the 4th Qtr in Denver. I'm saying it...I think it's true. No fun at all to play for EM. Now he finesplayers Mximum allowed under collective bargaining agreement 1700 Bux ... for not paying for water? Fine them the cost of the water and time associated fixing situation...1700.00 That's just a Dick move! Moves like this cause players to quit, treating these players like children causes players to quit, DUDE needs to realize that getting the most out of a team means they want to play for you, for the team, for the town and have a ball doing it....1700.00 for water??? wat a douche
This team Quit in the 4th Qtr in Denver. I'm saying it...I think it's true. No fun at all to play for EM. Now he finesplayers Mximum allowed under collective bargaining agreement 1700 Bux ... for not paying for water? Fine them the cost of the water and time associated fixing situation...1700.00 That's just a Dick move! Moves like this cause players to quit, treating these players like children causes players to quit, DUDE needs to realize that getting the most out of a team means they want to play for you, for the team, for the town and have a ball doing it....1700.00 for water??? wat a douche
Mangini is not exactly a "players' coach".....they need to be responsible on and off the field, and just maybe he is trying to enforce that. Yeah....$1700.00 is a bit much, but it gets your attention, and it probably won't happen again. As far as the players wanting to play for him....screw that. They are professionals, and they should play at their best under any coaching circumstances. If they were getting paid minimum wage, then I could see it. Based on what they are paid, if they don't perform at their best, they're losers, and will never be considered among the top notch players, in my opinion. Personally, I don't think they quit in the 4th.....but they were exhausted. The team under Crennel.....now they definitely quit. Everyone is so anxiouis to target Mangini as the problem here. I'm not.....I've seen this kind of behaviour from a coach before, and I took the same position most fans did....he was an idiot, and knew nothing, and I despised him. Well.....now he has numerous Superbowl rings, and every player in the NFL wants to play for him. You know who he is......I still can't bring myself to mention that name.
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There's plenty of blame to go around right now. No blocking, no running game, only 1 receiving threat, a QB showing his inexperience. To smaller degrees the list could just keep going.
So far we are who the analysts said we were going to be.
People are just dying to throw Mangie under the bus.
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They may be professionals, but they are also up against professionals. And that is when all things big and small add up to become a deciding factor. We can tell them not to give up, but we cant tell them not to get tired.
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There's plenty of blame to go around right now. No blocking, no running game, only 1 receiving threat, a QB showing his inexperience. To smaller degrees the list could just keep going.
So far we are who the analysts said we were going to be.
People are just dying to throw Mangie under the bus.
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@hiwaygal said:
Oh the drama.If Mangini is 'losing' players, I'm gonna step up and say then these aren't the type of players we want on our team. RAC let these guys be his best friend, buddy. You cannot do that in a position of authority. They quit on RAC because they knew there would be no accountability. Mangini is building a legacy of accountability. In the game, in the locker room, and in the public. This team needs discipline. Its one of the many things we've been lacking for awhile.
As for the defense being tired...I call BS on that too. They played all of 32 minutes of the Denver game. They should be prepared to play at least half a game and if they aren't, they need to be training more.
If these guys want to shit rainbows and fart sunshine, they need to win a few games. They may be fighting the system right now of frustration but they need to grow the hell up and be professionals.
I'm sure every guy on that defense, with the exception of Rogers maybe, is fully prepared to play at least half the game. The problem arises though when they are forced into playing as many minutes consecutively as they had to because their offense couldn't stay on the field early in the 4th quarter. I agree that they are professionals and being tired should not happen. But the fact is that every defense in the NFL would have been tired on Sunday if their offense played like the Browns did!
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It's still too early to tell, but the early returns aren't terribly promising. Heck, even Belichick has learned not to micro-manage his teams like this. There's accountability and then there's doing the "Hey, never forget that I'm in charge here!" thing. The first one works, the second one hardly ever does. Making the rookies go to his kids' camp, micromanaging the locker room, fining people for water.
But hey, all that accountability is turning the team into a winner, right? I mean, sure, they're 0-2 right now, but they're showing a lot of progress.
Dennis
We hired the wrong Ryan. Not that he's the subject of the OP, but we did.
It's still too early to tell, but the early returns aren't terribly promising. Heck, even Belichick has learned not to micro-manage his teams like this. There's accountability and then there's doing the "Hey, never forget that I'm in charge here!" thing. The first one works, the second one hardly ever does. Making the rookies go to his kids' camp, micromanaging the locker room, fining people for water.
But hey, all that accountability is turning the team into a winner, right? I mean, sure, they're 0-2 right now, but they're showing a lot of progress.
Dennis
We hired the wrong Ryan. Not that he's the subject of the OP, but we did.
You realize we've been down by a TD or less at the start of the 4th quarter in both games right? Its the personnel, not the wrong ryan.
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This team Quit in the 4th Qtr in Denver. I'm saying it...I think it's true. No fun at all to play for EM. Now he finesplayers Mximum allowed under collective bargaining agreement 1700 Bux ... for not paying for water? Fine them the cost of the water and time associated fixing situation...1700.00 That's just a Dick move! Moves like this cause players to quit, treating these players like children causes players to quit, DUDE needs to realize that getting the most out of a team means they want to play for you, for the team, for the town and have a ball doing it....1700.00 for water??? wat a douche
This team Quit in the 4th Qtr in Denver. I'm saying it...I think it's true. No fun at all to play for EM. Now he finesplayers Mximum allowed under collective bargaining agreement 1700 Bux ... for not paying for water? Fine them the cost of the water and time associated fixing situation...1700.00 That's just a Dick move! Moves like this cause players to quit, treating these players like children causes players to quit, DUDE needs to realize that getting the most out of a team means they want to play for you, for the team, for the town and have a ball doing it....1700.00 for water??? wat a douche
You know what though? You can best bet no one will be stealing any more water.
If you punish the miniscule bad behaviours, your much less likely to get the not so miniscule ones (Bengals cough cough)
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looks like it was elam who got fined.
http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/200...s/mj1646738.txt
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Fine for the water .... team & player learns.... message sent .... issue done. If I were a player earning the $$ they do, the fine is relative to the infraction. Or else find a new job if you dont agree. And yea if thats what you think bein a dick is, well so be it. I can tell you held no position of authority in your life, otherwise I think you would nt be so one sided. JMO.
Fine for the water .... team & player learns.... message sent .... issue done. If I were a player earning the $$ they do, the fine is relative to the infraction. Or else find a new job if you dont agree. And yea if thats what you think bein a dick is, well so be it. I can tell you held no position of authority in your life, otherwise I think you would nt be so one sided. JMO.
Eat shit, you don't know one thing about me...."I can tell you held no position of authority in your life" FK YOU....Dead wrong. Assjole thing to say tho...
My point isn't about water, It is a conglomeration of things under EM that I see that can make guys not want to play for him...Number 1 being treating players like children, #2 Micromanage the passion, fun out of football for players(it's a game, have to have fun playing it on Sunday at the very least), being a dick as coach! Now some of you say it's right , some say it's wrong....I'm saying it is a good way to lose a team!
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