Mangini Monday Press Conference
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(Opening statement)- “Good morning everybody. How are we doing? In terms of the leagues’ decision yesterday, I’ll just reiterate what I said in my statement. I worked with the league in the matter. I consider it closed and our focus is on Denver.
“In preparation today, what we’re going to be doing is, as I talked about yesterday, following the typical pattern that we follow during a week of preparation. Today ends up being, mainly, the emphasis is more on third down. We’ll work on some two-minute specific stuff. We’ll review the things that we put in yesterday. I thought that yesterday, we had a good day of practice. I was happy with the way that the guys worked, the way the guys took the information from the classroom to the field. One of the things that I continue to stress with them is there’s a routine. There’s the routine that you go through here. That’s something that you have to maximize. Then, there’s your personal routine, whether it’s how much tape you study, how you study that tape. Do you study it alone? Do you work with your group? How you prepare physically. It’s especially important for young guys as they learn about the NFL as they go through this process, to figure out what works for them the best. I always ask the guys to look at it, identify some things that are weaknesses, whether it’s preparation or performance, have a plan to work on those weaknesses and then evaluate the plan, and that’s ongoing. I’m looking forward to practice today.”
(On if he is worried about facing additional scrutiny due to the injury report probe in New York)- “What I always look to do is do the best job I can possibly do and make the best decisions possible for the organization. That’s what drives any decision that we make and any decision that I make. You always go through a process, just like talking to players, make sure that they look at the things that they’ve done, the things they’ve done well and the things that they can improve on. Then, figure out the best way to improve on them. That’s a constant process for them, for me, for all the coaches. It doesn’t matter whether it’s the preparation, or any of the other things, that’s something I’m always looking to do.”
(On if the league has a double standard regarding injury reports)- “I understand the question, and I respect it, but in terms of other teams, or the leagues’ decisions, I can only relate to the one that I’ve been involved in. It’s closed at this point and the focus is on Denver.”
(On Jerome Harrison)- “He’s made great strides over the week. He had a pretty good week last week. We just thought it was better to give it another week. I liked the way that he worked yesterday. I’m looking forward to see how he does today and tomorrow, but I’m encouraged by his continual progress. He’s worked hard at it. I’m excited about it.”
(On the type of role Harrison will have)- “It really depends. As we had last week, there will be different guys in different packages. Jamal (Lewis) is going to have to know the packages that the other running backs run and vice versa. You want to have that flexibility. You may start out designing it one way and the game may dictate that you don’t go to that very much. Maybe you’re not in 11 personnel very much, where that could be a bigger role for him, or 12, 22. You don’t know how big it’s going to be, or how small it’s going to be, until you get into the flow and see what happens and where the game takes you.”
(On if Champ Bailey is one of the best corners in the NFL)- “He’s really good. Antoine (Winfield), last week, he’s pretty good too. I think Darrelle Revis is a young guy that that’s made a lot of progress and has potential to be really good for a long time. Nnamdi (Asomugha) in Oakland. There are a lot of guys that are really talented, talented guys and good players. The one thing I think, working with, I believe, good cornerbacks over the years, Ty Law, players like that, is the best ones keep working at it every day. The best ones keep going out. No matter how much success they’ve had, they keep going out the same way, trying to work on weaknesses, trying to understand where they can improve, really studying the receivers that they’re playing against. That’s something that Darrelle and I used to always talk about. I’d tell him, ‘It doesn’t matter how good you get, I’m going to stay on you to be the same guy every day. It doesn’t matter how old you get. It doesn’t matter how many Pro Bowls, whatever that is.’ The important thing is to keep improving. Darrelle was great about that. He worked each day to get better. He was a really talented young guy.”
(On what Bailey does in games that makes him so good)- “He can cover really well in man-to-man coverage and plays well in off coverage. He tackles well. He’s aggressive in his run support. He has good ball skills. He has good speed. He has excellent short area quickness. He’s savvy. There are a lot of plusses.”
(On if Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal are match-ups that concern him)- “They had big games against a lot of people. I think those are two guys that can hurt you in multiple ways. Royal, he can take a reverse for a long way. He can hurt you on punt and kick return. He can take a slant and go for a long way. Then, he can beat you on a nine. He has that ability. Marshall, 104 catches, 105 catches, something like that. That’s a lot of balls. People knew where he was. He didn’t sneak up on people, and he still had that many catches. It’s tough. When you add the other guys into the mix as well, (Brandon) Stokley can do things that are difficult to cover. The backs out of the backfield create some problems. They have a lot of different ways that they can hurt you. I think both tight ends can do different things that can stretch a defense.”
(On if Randy Lerner came to the game on Sunday and their relationship)- “He came to the game. I talk to him pretty much every day he comes out. He came out on Tuesday. He comes out quite frequently during the offseason, during the in season, we spend time together. He has been great. He has been outstanding. One of the best things for me, with this job, is developing that relationship and getting his insight. The things that he has done with Aston Villa have been impressive. Sharing some of those experiences, there is cross over between professional teams, whether it’s baseball, soccer, basketball. There’s a lot of insight from that perspective. He’s committed to the team, to the city, to winning. He cares deeply about it and I feel that passion every time I meet with him.”
(On Kyle Orton)- “In his first game he had a 100 quarterback rating, 60 percent completion. He did a nice job in terms of running the offense, getting the different things lined up, assessing the defense. Any time your quarterback has a 100 quarterback rating and 60 percent completion, that’s usually a pretty good day, a pretty efficient day. Whether the numbers are higher or lower, or whatever the case may be, those are usually two pretty good numbers.”
(On if the quarterback rating is an accurate statistic to judge a quarterback’s game)- “I think it’s one element of judging a quarterback’s day. It’s different, too, if you’re judging your quarterback or you’re during somebody else’s quarterback. When you’re looking at your quarterback you know what the reads were, what the progression was, what the thought process was. You can look at it a little bit deeper. You don’t know what those things are based on your opponents reads and things like that. I think it’s one element to it. I think you’re always going to look at how it was managed, situational awareness, turnovers, reads. There are quite a few other things that come into play.”
(On if Josh Cribbs need to be put back on the punt and kick return coverage units)-“Like with run defense and in the coverage units, it’s about the group, it’s about leveraging the player and understanding how they’re going to block you and being able to recognize those blocks and being able to beat those blocks and get to where you’re supposed to get to. You can’t have missed tackles. You can’t have people vacating their responsibility. You have to cover the whole field. You have to be able to cover it quickly. You have to be able to read the scheme. There are some things that you can do to help your partner as you run down, to disrupt their blocking scheme. There are a lot of things that come into play. Josh is a very good cover player, but I feel like we have good cover players in addition to Josh.”
(On if he feels confident enough in Mohamed Massaquoi and Brian Robiskie to use them more)- “I feel confident with all of our receivers. I think George McDonald’s done a really good job with that group. I’ve liked a lot of things that they’ve done from OTAs through training camp, in the preseason games. It’s still going to be a growth process with those two specific players, being younger guys. There’s a growth process with Josh as well, getting the type of time that he’s getting. There’s also of learning involved there. As a group, I really like the way that they work. I like the things that I’ve seen here early, with plenty of room to continue to improve.”
(On if the statistic that wide receivers generally do not have a strong rookie season applies to Massaquoi and Robiskie)- “I don’t know what those numbers are, statistically. I’m not really sure. I look at it more in terms of, in the plays that they played, how well did they do. How well were they able to operate? How well were they able to execute the things we’re asking them to do, as opposed to the 1,000 yards or that criteria. You’d love it, but I think you can still have a very good, productive season and help the team win games without hitting just one landmark.”
(On if it rookie wide receivers are like rookie quarterbacks in that it is hard for them to master a complicated passing game)- “It’s been different over the years. I don’t know what Peyton Manning’s rookie numbers were like. I don’t know what Tom Brady’s rookie numbers were like. Do you look at his season as the first year he was with the Patriots, or do you look at it as the first year that he started? I’m just saying that any position, there’s two really good quarterbacks that have had great careers. There are some young quarterbacks that came in last year that I think did a nice job with the opportunities that they had. Really different rookie seasons for that group, but it doesn’t necessarily predict how it’s going to go. I think the same thing is true with wide outs.”
(On Brandon McDonald)- “I’ve liked the way that Brandon’s approached the mental side, in terms of studying his opponents, learning the scheme, things like that. The times that he’s had to answer questions on the opponent, I think that’s been good. I like the way he works in practice. He’s an aggressive player. The important thing with the cornerback spot is short memory. You can’t be bothered by the things that happened in the past. A lot of times that means the not so distant past. You may go out and get smoked for 80 and come back in and they’re probably going to throw it on you again. If you’re worried about that last play, you could end up giving another play. I know I’ve said this 1,000 times, but Otis Smith, he had the shortest memory of anybody that I’ve met, which is great. It was like that movie 50 First Dates, he can move on to the next play and it was new.”
(On McDonald’s interference call)- “With that situation, he was in phase with the receiver, which meant he had an equal position with the guy. When the receiver slows down, you know one thing, the ball is in the air. At that point, you want to turn, look for the ball, work into the receiver and then actually jump into the receiver, as opposed to jump out for the ball. If you jump out for the ball, most receivers push you, which extends it. You want to counter your natural tendency to jump forward. You want to jump back up and in to close his space. There are different phases that you have as a DB. If you’re out of phase, it means you’re beat. Don’t look back, run, just run. If you’re in phase, you have to play it that way. You can be out of phase, and you’re beat, and then suddenly you’re back to in phase, because the guy slows down. That’s a totally different read, because he’s slowing down, because the ball is there that minute. You could be running full speed, suddenly get back in phase, now you have to play the ball. It’s a totally different set of reactions. You work on all three. The other one is, you could be, actually, high on the receiver and he’s going to run a fade-stop and then you have to run back into him. That’s probably too much information.”
(On Eric Wright in coverage)- “I think one of the things that we continually practice, we’ll do it again today, is we practice tackling. Whether it’s Eric or Brodney (Pool), or Abe (Elam), or B-Mac (Brandon McDonald) or Hank (Poteat), any of those guys, most of the time they’re going to be in an open-field tackling situation. That’s the one that we do, the straight ahead tackling drill that we do, or they’re going to be leveraging out of the sideline. That’s the angle tackling drill we do. There’s a lot of space out there and you really need to understand what angle you have to take. You need to understand how to play those things. It’s something that’s a skill, like anything else, that you have to keep practicing. I know a lot of people say, ‘You’re in the NFL, you should know how to tackle.’ It’s not a question of knowing how to tackle, it’s a question of continuing to work at that skill set, so it’s always sharp.”
(On Wright’s coverage on Bernard Berrian)- “What he did a nice job on there was continue to widen the receiver to the sideline. Keep the cushion between him and the receiver really tight. Ty Law was the best I’ve ever coached at that. He could get beat at the line of scrimmage and then catch up with the guy. His strength, his natural body strength, would widen the guy to the sideline. That becomes a harder and harder catch to make, because there’s little room to fade away. I really liked that part of it. He’s done some other good things with that, as well. We’ll keep working at it, because each one of those skills, and just in press man coverage, there are so many different elements to it. There’s at the line of scrimmage. There’s the stem of the route. There’s the break point. There’s the deep ball. Each one of them there are specific things that you have to do well.”
(On why he decided to wear brown pants on the road)- “I thought that it looked good. In talking to the guys, they felt the same way. That was really the bulk of the decision.”
(On if he decided to wear brown pants to try to give the team a new look)- “They had used them before. No, it was no bigger part to that decision.”
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Transcript: Eric Mangini, 9/21 - Mon, Sep 21 2009 at 10:35 pm
(Opening statement)- “Good afternoon everybody. In talking to the team this morning, the first thing I pointed out is really the situation we had in the third quarter. It’s about 1:30 left in the third quarter. We’re on the plus 44. It’s first-and-10. It’s 13-6. We don’t get much done with that drive, end up punting the ball. Start of the fourth quarter, the ball’s on the minus 29, their side of the field. It’s 13-6. It’s about inherently winnable a game, or as competitive a game as you’re going to see most weeks. When we did have the pressure that didn’t get home and they end up scoring the touchdown, that happens. That’s a chance you take and they score. At that point, just like in games that are coming up, it’s adversity. We’re going to have to deal with adversity and we’re going to have to be able to respond to adversity. Even a two-score game, with over 12 minutes left in the fourth quarter, that’s not something that’s, by any means, out of reach. I showed not too long ago, the Indianapolis game, where they were down by four scores late in the fourth quarter. It was Indy, Tampa. It happens week in and week out. The important thing is to be able to face adversity, deal with adversity, respond to it and do that effectively and not let one thing that happens turn into a series of things, to where the game does, essentially, get to a point where, at that point they’re running out the clock.
“What we did today is, we looked at the film, like we do each Monday, like we’ll do each Monday and talked about what needs to get fixed, how we need to fix it and what the plan is to do that. These things are correctable. They’re controllable. It’s just a function of taking control of them and making sure that we do get those items addressed.”
(On Brady Quinn seeming indecisive at times against Denver)- “I thought there were times that he made some really good decisions. There was one point, I forget which quarter it was in, but they brought a corner blitz off of our sideline. He hit Braylon (Edwards) on the sideline. He recognized the blitz coming was able to step up, sort of avoid the corners, the head on contact and get the ball out to Braylon. I thought that the two plays before we had the fumbled exchange, when we were backed up, he threw a nice ball on the in-cut. There were some other nice balls, as well. Then there were some plays where I felt like he could have done a better job with the read. He knows that and it’s been pointed out and those are things that we need to see a little bit better the next time was face it.”
(On if Quinn is facing typical growing pains of a young quarterback)- “Yes, I think there are a lot of things, offensively, as we continue to work against opponents and work together against opponents that we’re going to have to adjust to and improve on. With a team like Denver, that is game plan specific, you can go in and plan and anticipate, but there’s always going to be stuff that wasn’t on the list. You need to come off to the sideline, see those things, correct those things and hopefully pick them up and capitalize next time you see it.”
(On if a quarterback can think too much)- “I think that what you try to do, as much as possible, is gather pre-snap information. You try to understand what you’re going to get, formationally. If we’re in this formation, typically they’re in post safety; typically they’re in split safety. Sometimes when you play a game plan specific team, and I talked to the offense about this a little bit last week, it’s not necessarily what they do, and it’s what they won’t do. Ted Marchibroda taught me that a long time ago. He said, ‘Look Eric, sometimes you’re not going to know exactly what they’re going to do, but you’re going to know what they don’t do.’ Just by eliminating that set of choices, it narrows the scope of what you have to deal with. I always thought that he was fantastic at that, especially with quarterbacks, of identifying, ‘Okay, always or never. Always or never.’ It helped limit the amount of things that they had to choose from, as they dropped back and made their decisions.”
(On how much the struggles going on around Brady Quinn are affecting his play)- “As we talked about after the game Mary Kay (Cabot), it starts with the quarterback. Usually that’s what everybody looks at. Typically, they get a lion’s share of the credit and a lion’s share of the blame, but as you watch any play, it comes down to everybody doing what they’re supposed to do on that spot. You might be looking downfield to anticipate the in-cut breaking open or come back, or whatever it is, knowing that your check down is going to be in a certain spot. When you come back and that check down’s not where it’s supposed to be, that might be the difference between a sack and not a sack. They bring a corner pressure and the back is supposed to check front side, and then come back side, you have to trust that that’s being taken care of. Sometimes you can get sacked and the protection should have had it picked up. It may look like you moved into that sack, but that’s not necessarily the case. Same thing with routes, sometimes it looks like the throw’s way off and in reality, the adjustment wasn’t what it was supposed to be. It’s really relying on everybody doing what they’re supposed to do.”
(On if he plans to maintain the status quo and move forward)- “I know as you look at the tape, the items that we’re dealing with, a lot of those things were just things that, again, with a better decision, or with a quicker reaction can be fixed. You make better decisions and you react quicker as you continue to prepare at a very high level and consistently prepare at a high level.”
(On how he would categorize where Brady Quinn is at in his development)- “It’s hard to say, because some guys develop through playing and some guys can really develop quicker, not quicker, but develop still at a good pace, as they observe others. All the guys I’ve been around have been a little bit different that way.”
(On if Quinn learns from physical or mental reps)- “The one thing about him is, he does work at it. Even when he wasn’t playing, I’m sure he was working at it the same way. This system is different than what he’s been in since he started, but there is some carry over from some of the things that he did in college. Even though it’s different, there are some things that he can draw on from that point. He works at it, which is the most important thing. Collectively, we all need to continue to progress.”
(On when in the season he would start thinking about making changes in the starting lineup)- “As we go through each week, you’re always looking at the different combinations of people. One of the important things to me is how guys work, how guys practice. I’m not talking specifically about the quarterback position. I’m talking about all those positions. If guys prove that they deserve some more play time, then you give them that. If they practice better, or perform better during the course of the week, or they do something that flashes during the game, then you want to give them the opportunity. You want guys to know that they can continue to create play time for themselves. That competition is important. It’s important for all of us to continue to maximize our opportunities each week.”
(On why Brian Robiskie was not active at Denver)- “It was another good return that we faced this week, another good special teams group that we faced this week. It comes down to those decisions between a guy like Bubba (Ray Ventrone) or it could be Gerard (Lawson). There’s a bunch of different of guys that, sort of, are role players in their area. You look at the spots they play on teams and the depth that you have at that position, in terms of how many players you’re bringing to the game. It’s just a function of we went with a different combination this week. He has a great opportunity again this week to be active. I can’t stress the importance of special teams enough for everybody who wants to, either gain more playing time, or get to the 45 or even practice squad guys that want to get to the 53.”
(On if he plans to stay with Brady Quinn at quarterback right now)- “Yes, that’s exactly right.”
(On if the Browns have the talent to go out and be competitive each week)- “Yes, and I think we’ve shown that. I think we’ve shown that through different points in each game and through different periods in each game, but you have to be consistent. You don’t win the games at halftime. You don’t win the games until it’s finalized. You have to be able to play at the same level throughout the course of the whole game. Things are going to ebb and flow and you have to adjust and deal with it and react to the situation you’re in.”
(On the offensive line)- “I thought there were some rushes that they brought that we did a really nice job with, because they were things that we hadn’t seen before. I think that anytime you get in a situation where you’re behind by a lot of points, everybody in the stadium pretty much knows what you have to do. At that point it’s a function of, can you get open? Can you protect the passer and can the passer get the ball to the receiver, because there’s not a lot of disguising what you’re doing at that point. There are things that we can, obviously, improve with our protection and some things that we’ll continue to do with scheme, route adjustments, and things like that.”
(On if there is concern about Alex Mack’s snaps)- “It’s something that he’s going to work on. He’s going to work on it a lot. I had the same experience with Nick Mangold early on, where you’re getting adjusted to the speed of the game, volume of calls, and the different levels of protection. What you always have to remind yourself is first things first, and that’s snap count, getting the ball delivered to the right place and then getting your assignment. It’s no different than a receiver, and you see it all the time, where they start to run before they catch the ball. You have to look the ball into the tuck before you run and that’s where a lot of drops happen. You can’t get ahead of yourself. You have to take care of the first step before you can move to the third step.”
(On what the team needs to do to cut down on short plays turning into long plays)- “We talked a lot about that during training camp and just the concept of coordinated defense, where you may have a screen that goes for 70 yards and it shows up as 70 yards of passing. The reality is that it should have probably gone for about five or six, if you had then been able to leverage the ball carrier and get the guy down. We had an opportunity on the long run to make the tackle in the secondary and we didn’t get that done. Once the ball breaks through the line of scrimmage, you have to be able to create that second funnel with the corners and safeties and not allow the 15-yard run to be 60, because it will kill you. If that does become a problem, then you have to limit what you call defensively to make sure that you have enough guys back to compensate for that. You don’t ever want to be in that position, because now you’re playing left handed.”
(On if there are plans to mix things up at wide receiver since Josh Cribbs is still learning the position)- “Mohamed (Massaquoi) has worked in quite a bit, and so has Mike (Furrey). They’ll continue to work in. Josh has done some good things. This week there’s obviously some things that he could have done better. I anticipate that he’ll come back on Wednesday with a renewed determination to improve, because that’s how he’s wired.”
(On the reports that a player was fined $1,700 for a bottle of water)- “I won’t talk about the specifics of the fines or who’s involved, but I will say that I don’t like taking player’s money. The rules are in place because we have a very diverse group of people. The rules are set up to make sure that we can operate as effectively as possible. They’re clearly laid out. They’re clearly explained. Expectations are explained. I don’t ask anybody to do anything that anybody else in society isn’t asked to do, that normal, mature people aren’t asked to do. When we go to hotels, we have to pay incidentals. We don’t park in handicapped spots. We don’t park in fire lanes. We don’t park in somebody else’s spot. I mean, I don’t think anybody here does. I don’t think that the equipment guy deserves any less respect, or the secretary deserves any less respect than anybody else in the organization. They may not play on the field, but they have every right to be respected the same way. I believe in that. I believe that people should be mature and approach things in a responsible way. I believe that people in the organization should have that respect from everybody. I’m going to keep believing in that and I’m going to keep demanding that we have mature, responsible people as part of the Browns. I make no apologies for that.”
(On if it bothers him that players may not want to play for him because of his rules)- “No. I understand things can be presented in a lot of different ways. I’ve clearly articulated to the players why we have rules and regulations. It’s spelled out. There’s a grievance system. If they want to grieve it, they have every right to do that, but I also believe that everybody deserves the same respect. Everybody should be responsible, just like every other person in society is. They should operate the same way. I wouldn’t want my mother or my sister to come to a place where they were treated any differently and I believe in that. Like I said, I’m not looking for anybody’s money. I make no apologies for demanding a high level of personal conduct.”
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Looks like Mangini was saying that Quinns poor play was mostly on the recievers and O-line
THOUGHT SO!
Brady Quinn will redeem himself when the rest of the squad stops playing like shit
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An interesting angle on Quinn winning the competition may simply have been related to his work ethic. No, this isn't a shot at DA. My point here is that reading Mangini's comments its not hard to imagine a guy like Mangini putting a lot of stock in guys putting in overtime.
We'd better hope that if the work ethic was a factor in Quinn's favor for Mangini, that it wasn't over weighted when it comes to actual game time execution. (i.e., sorta what the first two weeks have looked like) On the positive side, hard work often pays off so it may be simply a question of reps/time. (i.e., Quinn starts showing improvement)
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An interesting angle on Quinn winning the competition may simply have been related to his work ethic. No, this isn't a shot at DA. My point here is that reading Mangini's comments its not hard to imagine a guy like Mangini putting a lot of stock in guys putting in overtime.
We'd better hope that if the work ethic was a factor in Quinn's favor for Mangini, that it wasn't over weighted when it comes to actual game time execution. (i.e., sorta what the first two weeks have looked like) On the positive side, hard work often pays off so it may be simply a question of reps/time. (i.e., Quinn starts showing improvement)
My point here is that reading Mangini's comments its not hard to imagine a guy like Mangini putting a lot of stock in guys putting in overtime.
I am quite confident DA put in a lot of time as well. DA is a good kid, and we let one asshole on this board turn us against him. I still like DA as a QB. I am never going to be convinced he is a starter in this league or for this team, BUT, until Quinn starts making some plays his fawcet of good will has been shut off. Make some plays and throw a better ball. Grow a pair. The Ravens are going to expose you if you don't.
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Your right shep, before people start talking about switching out players after one game. These guys need time to gel as a unit. Its a whole new crew out there. Timing and Consistency on offense take time.
Timing and Consistency on offense take time.
I don't think anyone told that to Mark Sanchez and Joe Flaco.
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Looks like Mangini was saying that Quinns poor play was mostly on the recievers and O-line
THOUGHT SO!
Brady Quinn will redeem himself when the rest of the squad stops playing like shit
Looks like Mangini was saying that Quinns poor play was mostly on the recievers and O-line
THOUGHT SO!
Brady Quinn will redeem himself when the rest of the squad stops playing like shit
anything to support your world view...did MANGINI actually say"quinns poor play was due to poor play by the receivers and o line?" Nope..he did not nor would he,as far as quinn "redeeming" himself..I won't hold my breath...perhaps you should take a look around and see what impartial writers around the country are saying about our Browns and your boy... you might have your perspective altered...and if you think the Ravens aren't waiting anxiously to feast on some quinn you are sadly mistaken
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Timing and Consistency on offense take time.
I don't think anyone told that to Mark Sanchez and Joe Flaco.
I don't think anyone told that to Mark Sanchez and Joe Flaco.
Long season my friend. Lets not go comparing what they do to what we have here. Put Flacco or Sanchez on this team - with no Running game and a bottom of the league D - and call me then. Flacco wasn't asked to do a whole lot, and Sanchez is two games into the league. I love them both as QB's so far. But that is crazy to compare where they're at and the D/Run game they have.
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Timing and Consistency on offense take time.
I don't think anyone told that to Mark Sanchez and Joe Flaco.
I don't think anyone told that to Mark Sanchez and Joe Flaco.
Flacco last season was far from spectacular when looking at his individual play. Having a year to be the starting QB w/ that D and running game helped him greatly coming into this year.
Sanchez is two games in. He also came on to a team that if not for a bad Favre arm was poised to be the AFC East champs. So he didn't exactly go to a bottom talent team there.
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@jadbf said:
You mean those same impartial writers from around the country that said in 2007 we would suck? or in 2008 we would be good?Yeah I take a lot of stock in what they say.
Unless you reside under a rock you should know that every year teams percolate to the top of the NFL cauldron that the season before were bottom feeders, and writers have been and will be wrong, but gradually a concensus builds, but do as you like..doesn't matter to me. I just find it amazing that some fans,despite evidence they see with their own eyes still look for excuses to mitigate their favorite players mistakes,and poor play.
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Looks like Mangini was saying that Quinns poor play was mostly on the recievers and O-line
THOUGHT SO!
Brady Quinn will redeem himself when the rest of the squad stops playing like shit
anything to support your world view...did MANGINI actually say"quinns poor play was due to poor play by the receivers and o line?" Nope..he did not nor would he,as far as quinn "redeeming" himself..I won't hold my breath...perhaps you should take a look around and see what impartial writers around the country are saying about our Browns and your boy... you might have your perspective altered...and if you think the Ravens aren't waiting anxiously to feast on some quinn you are sadly mistaken
anything to support your world view...did MANGINI actually say"quinns poor play was due to poor play by the receivers and o line?" Nope..he did not nor would he,as far as quinn "redeeming" himself..I won't hold my breath...perhaps you should take a look around and see what impartial writers around the country are saying about our Browns and your boy... you might have your perspective altered...and if you think the Ravens aren't waiting anxiously to feast on some quinn you are sadly mistaken
ummmm....
(On Brady Quinn seeming indecisive at times against Denver)- “I thought there were times that he made some really good decisions. There was one point, I forget which quarter it was in, but they brought a corner blitz off of our sideline. He hit Braylon (Edwards) on the sideline. He recognized the blitz coming was able to step up, sort of avoid the corners, the head on contact and get the ball out to Braylon. I thought that the two plays before we had the fumbled exchange, when we were backed up, he threw a nice ball on the in-cut. There were some other nice balls, as well. Then there were some plays where I felt like he could have done a better job with the read. He knows that and it’s been pointed out and those are things that we need to see a little bit better the next time was face it.”
So here we have a classic media question trying to get Mangini to say something negative about Quinn, looks like he had alot of POSITIVE things to say
(On if Quinn is facing typical growing pains of a young quarterback)- “Yes, I think there are a lot of things, offensively, as we continue to work against opponents and work together against opponents that we’re going to have to adjust to and improve on. With a team like Denver, that is game plan specific, you can go in and plan and anticipate, but there’s always going to be stuff that wasn’t on the list. You need to come off to the sideline, see those things, correct those things and hopefully pick them up and capitalize next time you see it.”
Here we have Mangini saying that Quinns play is typical growing pains that come with a new offense and a young QB, Brady is our QB of the future, lets let him develop and make mistakes now, so he can get better later. (i.e. Eli Manning & Drew Brees)
(On how much the struggles going on around Brady Quinn are affecting his play)- “As we talked about after the game Mary Kay (Cabot), it starts with the quarterback. Usually that’s what everybody looks at. Typically, they get a lion’s share of the credit and a lion’s share of the blame, but as you watch any play, it comes down to everybody doing what they’re supposed to do on that spot. You might be looking downfield to anticipate the in-cut breaking open or come back, or whatever it is, knowing that your check down is going to be in a certain spot. When you come back and that check down’s not where it’s supposed to be, that might be the difference between a sack and not a sack. They bring a corner pressure and the back is supposed to check front side, and then come back side, you have to trust that that’s being taken care of. Sometimes you can get sacked and the protection should have had it picked up. It may look like you moved into that sack, but that’s not necessarily the case. Same thing with routes, sometimes it looks like the throw’s way off and in reality, the adjustment wasn’t what it was supposed to be. It’s really relying on everybody doing what they’re supposed to do.”
Thank you Eric Mangini
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anything to support your world view...did MANGINI actually say"quinns poor play was due to poor play by the receivers and o line?" Nope..he did not nor would he,as far as quinn "redeeming" himself..I won't hold my breath...perhaps you should take a look around and see what impartial writers around the country are saying about our Browns and your boy... you might have your perspective altered...and if you think the Ravens aren't waiting anxiously to feast on some quinn you are sadly mistaken
ummmm....
(On Brady Quinn seeming indecisive at times against Denver)- “I thought there were times that he made some really good decisions. There was one point, I forget which quarter it was in, but they brought a corner blitz off of our sideline. He hit Braylon (Edwards) on the sideline. He recognized the blitz coming was able to step up, sort of avoid the corners, the head on contact and get the ball out to Braylon. I thought that the two plays before we had the fumbled exchange, when we were backed up, he threw a nice ball on the in-cut. There were some other nice balls, as well. Then there were some plays where I felt like he could have done a better job with the read. He knows that and it’s been pointed out and those are things that we need to see a little bit better the next time was face it.”
So here we have a classic media question trying to get Mangini to say something negative about Quinn, looks like he had alot of POSITIVE things to say
(On if Quinn is facing typical growing pains of a young quarterback)- “Yes, I think there are a lot of things, offensively, as we continue to work against opponents and work together against opponents that we’re going to have to adjust to and improve on. With a team like Denver, that is game plan specific, you can go in and plan and anticipate, but there’s always going to be stuff that wasn’t on the list. You need to come off to the sideline, see those things, correct those things and hopefully pick them up and capitalize next time you see it.”
Here we have Mangini saying that Quinns play is typical growing pains that come with a new offense and a young QB, Brady is our QB of the future, lets let him develop and make mistakes now, so he can get better later. (i.e. Eli Manning & Drew Brees)
(On how much the struggles going on around Brady Quinn are affecting his play)- “As we talked about after the game Mary Kay (Cabot), it starts with the quarterback. Usually that’s what everybody looks at. Typically, they get a lion’s share of the credit and a lion’s share of the blame, but as you watch any play, it comes down to everybody doing what they’re supposed to do on that spot. You might be looking downfield to anticipate the in-cut breaking open or come back, or whatever it is, knowing that your check down is going to be in a certain spot. When you come back and that check down’s not where it’s supposed to be, that might be the difference between a sack and not a sack. They bring a corner pressure and the back is supposed to check front side, and then come back side, you have to trust that that’s being taken care of. Sometimes you can get sacked and the protection should have had it picked up. It may look like you moved into that sack, but that’s not necessarily the case. Same thing with routes, sometimes it looks like the throw’s way off and in reality, the adjustment wasn’t what it was supposed to be. It’s really relying on everybody doing what they’re supposed to do.”
Thank you Eric Mangini
ummmm....
(On Brady Quinn seeming indecisive at times against Denver)- “I thought there were times that he made some really good decisions. There was one point, I forget which quarter it was in, but they brought a corner blitz off of our sideline. He hit Braylon (Edwards) on the sideline. He recognized the blitz coming was able to step up, sort of avoid the corners, the head on contact and get the ball out to Braylon. I thought that the two plays before we had the fumbled exchange, when we were backed up, he threw a nice ball on the in-cut. There were some other nice balls, as well. Then there were some plays where I felt like he could have done a better job with the read. He knows that and it’s been pointed out and those are things that we need to see a little bit better the next time was face it.”
So here we have a classic media question trying to get Mangini to say something negative about Quinn, looks like he had alot of POSITIVE things to say
(On if Quinn is facing typical growing pains of a young quarterback)- “Yes, I think there are a lot of things, offensively, as we continue to work against opponents and work together against opponents that we’re going to have to adjust to and improve on. With a team like Denver, that is game plan specific, you can go in and plan and anticipate, but there’s always going to be stuff that wasn’t on the list. You need to come off to the sideline, see those things, correct those things and hopefully pick them up and capitalize next time you see it.”
Here we have Mangini saying that Quinns play is typical growing pains that come with a new offense and a young QB, Brady is our QB of the future, lets let him develop and make mistakes now, so he can get better later. (i.e. Eli Manning & Drew Brees)Seriously,what do you expect?The last time I saw a coach throw his QB under the bus was belichick and his infamous"diminishing skills" comment about Kosar..you do understand the Mangini has a vested interest in keeping quinn propped up for as long as he can don't you? I don't like quinn,I never have,BUT, I would happily eat a three course dinner consisting entirely of crow if he does pan out...but I am not seeing it...and I am not the only one.
(On how much the struggles going on around Brady Quinn are affecting his play)- “As we talked about after the game Mary Kay (Cabot), it starts with the quarterback. Usually that’s what everybody looks at. Typically, they get a lion’s share of the credit and a lion’s share of the blame, but as you watch any play, it comes down to everybody doing what they’re supposed to do on that spot. You might be looking downfield to anticipate the in-cut breaking open or come back, or whatever it is, knowing that your check down is going to be in a certain spot. When you come back and that check down’s not where it’s supposed to be, that might be the difference between a sack and not a sack. They bring a corner pressure and the back is supposed to check front side, and then come back side, you have to trust that that’s being taken care of. Sometimes you can get sacked and the protection should have had it picked up. It may look like you moved into that sack, but that’s not necessarily the case. Same thing with routes, sometimes it looks like the throw’s way off and in reality, the adjustment wasn’t what it was supposed to be. It’s really relying on everybody doing what they’re supposed to do.”
Thank you Eric Mangini
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Transcript: Eric Mangini Press Conference, 9/28 - Mon, Sep 28 2009 at 8:32 pm
(Opening statement)- “Good afternoon everybody. In talking to the team and watching tape, it is very similar to what we talked about after the game. With the Ravens offense, the first thing you have to do is be able to effectively stop the run. You have to limit the big plays that they’re able to generate, and they have been able to generate them this year and last year. Then, you have to find a way to somehow disrupt (Joe) Flacco. I don’t think we did any of those three things very well. I think, offensively, it’s going to start and be a big part of the determination of the game, is turnovers. When you have four turnovers, it’s going to be hard to impossible to win any game. I thought we did some decent things running the football. I thought that Jerome (Harrison) did some nice things when he had his opportunities. I know there are some plays where I’m sure he feels like he could have got even a few more yards than he did and some of that will come with experience. I thought that on special teams, it was a pretty solid effort, especially giving our defense an opportunity, a couple different times, to get them backed up. I thought the coverage units overall were sound. In the return game, I thought it was better, but we have a chance to, I think we had two returns for 30-plus yards. Those could have been bigger than they were. There’s nothing secret about what we have to do. We have to focus on the fundamental things that are important, and improve those and be more sound in all three areas. To do that, we’re going to address it. We’re going to work on it. We’re going to look at it from a scheme perspective, from a player’s perspective and focus on those things and get those things better and move forward.”
(On if Brady Quinn will start against Cincinnati)- “I’ll make that decision and let you guys know on Wednesday.”
(On if he gets a sense of how the players feel about the quarterbacks when making the decision)- “What I’m going to look at is who I think gives us the best chance to win the next game. That’s the most important thing. I think both guys did some things on Sunday that were positive. When you have turnovers, it’s hard. We have to be able to move the ball consistently. We have to be able to take advantage of opportunities that are there. That’s something we have to improve on offensively.”
(On if he gives Derek Anderson a pass on some of his interceptions because of the game situation he entered)- “I think it is a tough situation, when you come in down the way that we were down. He made some really nice plays to move the ball, especially the third-and-16 play, I thought was a really nice play. That being said, there’s some other plays where you just have to throw it away and either give us a chance to play the next play or punt the ball away, not give the opponent field position that’s usually going to result in points.”
(On if he’s seen any progress from Brady Quinn from the first game until now)- “Yes, there were things that he’s done better and there’s some things that he did better based on what we’re trying to accomplish. He did have a high completion rate for the plays that he was in for. It’ll still come down to being able to move the team consistently and being able to make good decisions with the football.”
(On the offense not converting on third downs)- “A lot of that, Mary Kay (Cabot), comes back to what we do on first and second down. When you get in, and this was actually better, in terms of the amount of third downs we had less than 10, when you’re working on third-and-longs, on a lot of situations, it’s hard to convert. It’s really hard to convert. We did a better job putting ourselves in a position where we were in third and more manageable. We have to be able to execute on those, and execute them on a much higher percentage than we have been, in order to sustain drives, to play complementary football and keep the defense off the field. It’s key. It’s going to be key each week. It’s key defensively as well, to be able to get off the field on third down.”
(On what the team does well on offense)- “You have to look at it in a lot of different areas. Some of it’s based on personnel, in terms of the groups that we’re in. Some of it’s based on how we distribute players. Some of it’s based on how we execute plays. Some it’s based on the game planning for that specific opponent. You go through that whole process and look at the things the things that have been successful, that have generated positive plays and see which ones you can carry over week-in and week-out. You may have to build them a different way in order to get the same result, especially if it’s formation specific. You look at those and then you incorporate whatever’s going to be specific to that opponent. Maybe there’s carryover between the two, maybe there’s not.”
(On if he can name specifics that the team does well on offense)- “Yes, you’re going to go through and make the determination of if you’ve generated a certain amount of positive plays with this play, based on the percentage of times you ran it, then you’d make the assumption that that’s something you do well. You have to look at it in a little bit more of a context. Was it well executed or was it something that maybe was a pass that generated a first down, but it was based on a scramble. The pass component of that really wasn’t, necessarily, the successful thing and you don’t want to bank on scrambling to get a first down.”
(On if Derek Anderson throwing the ball downfield more than Brady Quinn is a result the plays called for him)- “They’re plays that we’ve run, or concepts that we’ve run over time, through training camp, OTAs and through the season. They may be built a little bit differently, so it’s not all foreign to both guys. You do look at things that each guy’s more comfortable with and you bring in that component. It wasn’t a radically different approach.”
(On how he processes the play at the beginning of the season)- “I think there have been things that we have done well and I think that it’s going to be a function of fixing things that we haven’t done well. That takes a lot of work. It takes consistent effort and that’s something we’re committed to. We’re committed to winning in the short term and we’re committed to winning in the long term and creating an organization that can win year-in and year-out. That’s division, that’s what we’ll work out and that’s what we’ll do.”
(On if he feels the fan’s pain)- “I think that there’s nobody happy with where we are right now. That’s across the board. That being said, now it’s doing something about it and doing something to change the outcome. That has to be deliberate and it has to be collective. It’s going to be worked on, day-in and day-out, night-in and night-out, until it’s right.”
(On if the team is close to winning)- “I think that the position we were in, in Denver, was inherently winnable. I think that where we were in Minnesota was winnable. I think that, regardless of what the score is at halftime, you can overcome those deficits. You have to chip away at it. There’s no 20-point touchdown. There’s no magic play that can give you 20 points. You have to go out and get the first one, then make the stop and get the second one. That’s just the reality of it.”
(On if there is more to work do than he originally thought)- “I think anytime you come into a situation and you’re putting together a program and a program that’s designed to continue to grow and build and make progress, it’s going to take time. It’s going to take effort. It’s going to take a lot of hard work. It’s going to take a lot of people doing that together, day-in and day-out. That’s not unique to this situation. I’ve been part of these situations before, coming into a new environment and working to get it right, New England, New York, New York again. There’s a way that you have to do things. You have to be consistent and you have to be deliberate and you have to work extremely hard every, single day to get those results. You have to build for the short term and you have to build for the long term.”
(On the defensive tackling)- “It’s fundamental football and it’s something that we work on. We worked on it during training camp. We worked on it last week. We’ll work on it every single week of the season. It’s like blocking. Tackling, blocking, throwing the ball, catching the ball, those are core fundamentals that you have to do well. You have to be able to leverage the ball carrier. You have to be able to wrap up the ball carrier. You have to understand where your help is, where you fit in those things, and then when you get to the point of contact, then you have to execute. It’s like the snap, it’s fundamental football and we have to get better at fundamentals.”
(On if he needs to approach anything differently)- “I ask the same thing of myself and the coaches, that I ask of the players is, what can you do better that you did last week to get a better outcome. We analyze each game. We look at the things we did well, the things we did poorly, what preparation errors were, what personnel mismatches were, how we could have practiced better, how we could have implemented the game plan better, and that’s ongoing. We’ll do it at all times, is analyze it. There’s plenty that we can better, as well.”
(On what he specifically can do better)- “I think that we’re going to have to continue to emphasis fundamentals and spend a lot of time on that, and get to some things that we can operate very effectively in and while doing that, still be able to move forward the game planning element, because that’s important. You have to be able to adjust to who your opponent is, and there’s a balance there. You have to continue to look at the best way to strike that balance, continue to look at the breakdown of practice and see how much time was spent on fundamentals and how much time was spent on scheme and where we need to adjust it. There are tons of things. I’ll look at all the different aspects and try to figure out a better way to do it.”
(On if changing quarterbacks after three games changes the ideal of consistency)- “I think one of the things about being consistent is to always try to play the best players that give you the best chance to win. Sometimes that’s what consistency is, is to make sure that guys who are on the practice squad have the opportunity to come up to the active roster. Guys who are inactive have the opportunity each week to play themselves on to the 45. That’s important. That’s important that they understand everybody needs to keep improving. Everybody who doesn’t like the position that they’re in right now, or wants to change that position has a chance each day to come in here and make a case for themselves and I believe in that. Those guys that are on the practice squad, if they want to get bumped up, make a case. Guys that were inactive, make a case. Guys that are inactive, they need to make that case each week. Do they want more playing time? Then go out and show that they deserve it. The important thing is to always have an environment where they can do that, otherwise they’ll look at it as something where, ‘It doesn’t matter what I do, I can’t change my current situation.’”
(On how he feels about the grievances filed against him)- “Grievances are common. People grieve at every single team. It’s not unique, at all. What would be more surprising is if 90 percent of the fines aren’t grieved. That’s not just with us, it’s with any team.”
(On what will go into making the quarterback decision)- “We’ll go on back and look at the game, but I’ll look at some other things. I’ll look at the operation when both guys were in and then look at who gives the best chance to move the ball consistently.”
(On if he takes the fact that they need to sustain offensive drives to help keep the defense off the field into consideration when making the decision)- “I think it’s important. I think it’s important not to play on a short field. It’s hard to play very effectively when you’re playing on a short field. That goes into turnovers. It goes into special teams. Defensively, the same thing as if they’re playing backed up, being able to keep them backed up. That’s part of each side helping the other side be successful. You want to be able to give the defense a chance to rest and come back and, ideally, put our offense out as quickly as we can.”
(On if there are any more personnel changes he is considering)- “I really look at that every week. I look at who’s practicing the best, who’s executing the best, who’s making the least amount of mental errors, who’s making the strongest case to help us that week. I’ve switched roles throughout my time as a head coach, as a coordinator, as a position coach. That’s pretty common, in terms of somebody standing out and you have to be able to reward that. You have to be able to show the players that if they perform at a level then they have a chance to play more or to get bumped up and, vice versa, get bumped down.”
(On if he is concerned how Brady Quinn will handle being benched in the second quarter of the game at Baltimore)- “I think that a lot of quarterbacks go through different challenges. The one thing about Brady is he is a very hard worker. He looks to constantly correct the things that need to be corrected. He’s also a pro and teammate, just like Derek (Anderson) is and Ratty (Brett Ratliff) is. I would expect with anybody whose situation changes, that being inherently competitive, they’d fight to change it back. Being a pro and a good teammate they’d work to help the team continue to improve. That’s what I expect from everybody.”
(On if splitting reps at quarterback in the preseason did not allow Quinn or Anderson to develop a rhythm with the offense)- “I think the only people that didn’t get the same amount of snaps were the three and the four, that they typically during a training camp. Look at the amount of reps that Chad Pennington got when he was a starter, versus the amount of reps that both these guys got. It’s very comparable. In terms of the play time, it’s pretty comparable. I feel comfortable with the way that we split it up, with the thought, the time, the effort that went in to making sure that it was spread out the right way and working with a lot of different people and giving everybody a chance to improve.”
(On if the first interception was Quinn’s fault or if Braylon Edwards could have come back to help out)- “It would be a tough ball to get in there, the way that the coverage was. There was some initial disguise, but as it unfolded, it ended up being rolled up, so the corner’s going to be harder out there then if they were in a three deep or some kind of post safety defense. It’s a hard ball to complete and there’s a high chance of it going the other way.”
(On if he overrated any players on the 53-man roster)- “What you’re doing is you’re trying to take the best 53 from the guys that you have. I think that there are a lot of guys here that can improve on the things that they’re doing. That’s what it’s going take. It’s going to take the guys that are on the 53 to keep improving, and all of us to keep improving. It’s a pretty simple answer and it’s a very specific challenge that you face each day. Coming in, identifying weaknesses, improving on them individually and improving on them collectively. It takes consistency. It takes hard work. It takes discipline and that’s what I expect and that’s what we’re going to do. We’re going to work at it and improve.”
(On if the thought of letting a young quarterback play out a season to see what they are capable of will play into the quarterback decision)- “I think you have two quarterbacks that have worked really hard, that have competed very hard, that have both made cases for themselves. Without being able to look at each situation individually, I really evaluate it based on the situation that we have. I appreciate the way that these guys have worked and competed. I like the competitiveness they’ve shown. I like the professionalism they’ve shown. With that, Mary Kay (Cabot), it’s tough to know what the other quarterback situations are, so I’m really looking at it based on our situation.”
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Blah blah blah we need to try to get better.
Different language, but he's saying the same shit as RAC. Bye Mangini. Don't let the door hit you.
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Blah blah blah we need to try to get better.
Different language, but he's saying the same shit as RAC. Bye Mangini. Don't let the door hit you.
Blah blah blah we need to try to get better.
Different language, but he's saying the same shit as RAC. Bye Mangini. Don't let the door hit you.
LMAO...."it's a process"
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Blah blah blah we need to try to get better.
Different language, but he's saying the same shit as RAC. Bye Mangini. Don't let the door hit you.
LMAO...."it's a process"
LMAO...."it's a process"
Yeah i guess your for 4 more years of this crap and still no real progress and then it all starts again i say nip it in the bud lerner has to go...this team will never see a championship as long as he owns this team frankly he doesnt care as long as the money keeps rolling in...
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LMAO...."it's a process"
Yeah i guess your for 4 more years of this crap and still no real progress and then it all starts again i say nip it in the bud lerner has to go...this team will never see a championship as long as he owns this team frankly he doesnt care as long as the money keeps rolling in...
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