Take Tim Couch out and put in Derek Anderson
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Since we are talking music let me throw this song out -
one of my personal favs ... can anyone guess the singer ?
Since we are talking music let me throw this song out -
one of my personal favs ... can anyone guess the singer ?
Lumfreddy?
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Since we are talking music let me throw this song out -
one of my personal favs ... can anyone guess the singer ?
Lumfreddy?
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greythan the evidence about DA is in 10 wins, best franchise home record all time and 29tds 3700 yards in a season saddled with a terrible offense.
the 2008 season we everyone was banged up and our skill players lost their minds along with wierd offensive playcalling. The evidence is there that it is POSSIBLE that DA who from a 6th round practice squad guy held off a much wanted first rounder.....
Do I think DA is the absolute answer? NO but from the evidence of quinns last 4 starts he stagnates the offense and I would rather have a hot cold interception prone YOUNG gun slinger who at least can ignite the offense.
DA is young and can develop the same as quinn, however he has an NFL arm where quinn does not.
It really does not matter I think if BQ leads the teams offense to the same mediocrity for 2-3 more games a change will definately be coming. IF he lights it up or shows progress than he will probably be safe until the bye week if not the season. The next 2 games are crucial for his career and our teams direction this year and next.
We play the ravens which for quinn is more bad news and he might have a chance against Cinci...(they look improved and dangerous) and then Pittsburgh.... He would be possibly 1-4 at the best case 0-5 most likely. combine that with last year he might end up 1-7 for his first 8 games.
greythan the evidence about DA is in 10 wins, best franchise home record all time and 29tds 3700 yards in a season saddled with a terrible offense.
the 2008 season we everyone was banged up and our skill players lost their minds along with wierd offensive playcalling. The evidence is there that it is POSSIBLE that DA who from a 6th round practice squad guy held off a much wanted first rounder.....
Do I think DA is the absolute answer? NO but from the evidence of quinns last 4 starts he stagnates the offense and I would rather have a hot cold interception prone YOUNG gun slinger who at least can ignite the offense.
DA is young and can develop the same as quinn, however he has an NFL arm where quinn does not.
It really does not matter I think if BQ leads the teams offense to the same mediocrity for 2-3 more games a change will definately be coming. IF he lights it up or shows progress than he will probably be safe until the bye week if not the season. The next 2 games are crucial for his career and our teams direction this year and next.
We play the ravens which for quinn is more bad news and he might have a chance against Cinci...(they look improved and dangerous) and then Pittsburgh.... He would be possibly 1-4 at the best case 0-5 most likely. combine that with last year he might end up 1-7 for his first 8 games.
1) It's been well documented a bunch of DA's wins in the 2007 season came against the dregs of the NFL. 2008 injuries? the great ones rise above it- like Tom Brady when half of the team was on IR- DBs playing wr- remember?
2) Quinn doesn't have an NFL arm? Really? You're way too in love with velocity Sev. By that yardstick, I guess Joe Montana and Brian Sipe didn't have "NFL arms" either. Velocity don't mean squat if you can't control it- see George, Jeff for exhibit "A", and seasons 1-3 of Elway, John for exhibit "B".
Apparently, you're willing to bet that DA has learned to take something off his 95mph fastball, and throw an accurate short touch pass. Sorry, I saw nothing in the preseason that indicated he's learned to do that.
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velocity does help the ball go over 10 yards downfield. but i dont think that was the point....
next games, im gettin my shotgun out, too many ducks flyin around that i'll surely get something to eat.
in other words, accuracy....the trait everyone digs on DA about, is non-existent in quinns game.
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velocity does help the ball go over 10 yards downfield. but i dont think that was the point....
next games, im gettin my shotgun out, too many ducks flyin around that i'll surely get something to eat.
in other words, accuracy....the trait everyone digs on DA about, is non-existent in quinns game.
in other words, accuracy....the trait everyone digs on DA about, is non-existent in quinns game.
Not to pile-on poor Brady Queen, but he hasn't impressed me with his touch on passes either.
.... and, had DA set Cribbs up to get smacked in the teeth in the jaws of the Bronco's defense down the middle like Quinn did, the Nation would have been screaming. It a wonder that Cribbs ain't out for this next game, he took some pops.
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What a bunch of whiny babies.
I guess it keeps the reading interesting but for crying out loud what did you expect.
Great, put the back up in. Again. Why is it so hard to grasp the concept of a rookie QB (1st year starter)
There are alot of piss poor reasons people have for wanting DA back in there. Such as the season ticket holder bs, just give up your seats if you don't want them.
Everyone is a freaking know it all and wants to run out of town anyone who attempts something you as fans don't approve, way to be a typical jack ass fan.
Quinn won the starting job, he beat out a pro bowl qb who challenged him. How long does everyone want to sling crap around hoping there opinion will alter the direction the Browns are going?
Quinn although crappy these first 2 games is definately not in danger yet of losing his job, if he continues with no improvement then possibly at 70% snap thresh hold you look at things differently.
So for all you poor, poor embarrassed Browns fan suck it up or simply go root for Buffalo.
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What a bunch of whiny babies.
I guess it keeps the reading interesting but for crying out loud what did you expect.
Great, put the back up in. Again. Why is it so hard to grasp the concept of a rookie QB (1st year starter)
There are alot of piss poor reasons people have for wanting DA back in there. Such as the season ticket holder bs, just give up your seats if you don't want them.
Everyone is a freaking know it all and wants to run out of town anyone who attempts something you as fans don't approve, way to be a typical jack ass fan.
Quinn won the starting job, he beat out a pro bowl qb who challenged him. How long does everyone want to sling crap around hoping there opinion will alter the direction the Browns are going?
Quinn although crappy these first 2 games is definately not in danger yet of losing his job, if he continues with no improvement then possibly at 70% snap thresh hold you look at things differently.
So for all you poor, poor embarrassed Browns fan suck it up or simply go root for Buffalo.
What a bunch of whiny babies.
I guess it keeps the reading interesting but for crying out loud what did you expect.
Great, put the back up in. Again. Why is it so hard to grasp the concept of a rookie QB (1st year starter)
There is alot of piss poor reasons people have for wanting DA back in there. Such as the season ticket holder bs, just give up your seats if you don't want them.
Everyone is a freaking know it all and wants to run out of town anyone who attempts something you as fans don't approve, way to be a typical jack ass fan.
Quinn won the starting job, he beat out a pro bowl qb who challenged him. How long does everyone want to sling crap around hoping there opinion will alter the direction the Browns are going?
Quinn although crappy these first 2 games is definately not in danger yet of losing his job, if he continues with no improvement then possibly at 70% snap thresh hold you look at things differently.
So for all you poor, poor embarrassed Browns fan suck it up or simply go root for Buffalo.
The Rookie QB is only 16-months younger than the hardened disposed Vet.
Want to buy my PSL's and remaining Season Tickets, Big guy?
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I will post this again.
I do not think that BQ has had any 4 interception games but then again I don't think BQ has had any 5 TD games either (since only 3 in 5 starts). DA had 2 multiple interception games in 2008 and 2 multiple TD games also and even though he had a horrible year he still threw more TDs than Interceptions. In 2007 DA had 4 multiple interception games and 10 multiple TD games. In 2006 he had 2 multiple TD games and 2 multiple Interception games. So in 31 total games DA has had 14 multiple TD games and 8 multiple Interception games. 23 games where he has thrown a TD and 21 games where he has thrown and Interception. So if DA throws a TD (74%) then he is 61% likely to throw 2 or more TDs and in games where DA throws a interception(68% of time) he is only 38% likely to have multiple interceptions.
BQ has throw a TD in 2 of his 5 starts (40%) and is likely to throw multiple TDs in half of those games (which equates to 20%) and he has thrown interceptions in 3 of his 5 starts (60%) and multiple interceptions in one of those games (also 20%).
That means that BQ throws an interception in 60% of his starts and DA throws interceptions in 68% of his. Not a real huge difference. Where as DA will throw a TD 74% of the time and BQ will throw a TD 40% of the time. DA will throw multiple TDs 45% of the time and BQ will throw multiple TDs 20% of the time. BQ will throw multiple interceptions 17% of the time and DA will throw multiple INTS 26% of the time.
I do not think that BQ has shown anything that would make me think that throwing a few less interceptions is worth throwing almost half as many TDs. And even in the last 18 games where DA has "Sucked" he does have a 9 - 9 record. BQ is now 1 - 4 and Baltimore will be very tough.
With that said I still say stay with BQ 10 games, only reason I would bench him is to save the 11 million bonus to invest in FA's next season. You realy do need to make sure BQ is not the answer because next years draft depends on what you think.
With that said I still say stay with BQ 10 games, only reason I would bench him is to save the 11 million bonus to invest in FA's next season. You realy do need to make sure BQ is not the answer because next years draft depends on what you think.
I agree with one exception.
I don't think you need to let the season completely slip away for the sake of giving Quinn his 9-10 consecutive starts. We can always go to back to Quinn if Anderson doesn't show improvement and the team remains uncompetitive . . . let Quinn get his 69.9% of the snaps that way.
If this team goes 0-4 and shows the same lack of offensive spark it has shown through two games, the season is tanked and it's hard to judge Quinn anyway for the following 5-6 games. The team will be in free fall.
Quinn's trade value has already been compromised. It will never be higher than it was before the season. I give him one more start to show more than he has in the first two games. To throw the team a life-line, give Anderson the next three starts. If he does nothing with them, give Brady his five or six in a row and if you don't see the necessary improvement, give a game or two back to Anderson then evaluate Ratliff.
I really think that the QB competition dragged out so long because Mangini wanted Quinn to win the locker room. The Smith incident and what occurred (or didn't occur) after suggests to me that he didn't have the respect of all the players in the locker room. I think Mangini knew the backlash he'd face if he did not at least give Quinn the chance to start the season as the Browns QB. The local media loves this kid like they loved Tim Couch and he has (or had) popular fan support. So the option to start Quinn was the most more attractive to begin with if all things were close to equal.
I doubt that Quinn ever totally won the locker room with his play, but my guess is that one more performance like the last one and it will be lost.
One more game to show marked improvement. The Ravens have been vulnerable to the pass this season. KC's backup (Coyle) was 16-24 for 177 yds, 2 tds and no Int and registered a 116 passer rating in a 38-24 loss.
Rivers rolled up 436 yards and threw 2 TDs (and 2 picks) in a 31-26 loss.
Neither team has run a lick against the Ravens.
We need to see a pulse.
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What a bunch of whiny babies.
I guess it keeps the reading interesting but for crying out loud what did you expect.
Great, put the back up in. Again. Why is it so hard to grasp the concept of a rookie QB (1st year starter)
There is alot of piss poor reasons people have for wanting DA back in there. Such as the season ticket holder bs, just give up your seats if you don't want them.
Everyone is a freaking know it all and wants to run out of town anyone who attempts something you as fans don't approve, way to be a typical jack ass fan.
Quinn won the starting job, he beat out a pro bowl qb who challenged him. How long does everyone want to sling crap around hoping there opinion will alter the direction the Browns are going?
Quinn although crappy these first 2 games is definately not in danger yet of losing his job, if he continues with no improvement then possibly at 70% snap thresh hold you look at things differently.
So for all you poor, poor embarrassed Browns fan suck it up or simply go root for Buffalo.
The Rookie QB is only 16-months younger than the hardened disposed Vet.
Want to buy my PSL's and remaining Season Tickets, Big guy?
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mikeyP72 said:
Blaming anyone other than BQ is pretty cowardly.Man up and accept he's shitting the bed.
No worse than DA though..... DONNNNNT STOOOOOOOOP BEEELEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIN!
I have to wholeheartedly disagree, Here is a post of mine from another thread taking direct excerpts from Coach Mangini's press conferences, I dont think we can really blame Quinn for most of this, alot of the things that happened in game were the fault of our momentum being shut down by a dumb penalty, fumble (Mack on a bad snap), and dropped passes.
ummmm....
(On Brady Quinn seeming indecisive at times against Denver)- "I thought there were times that he made some really good decisions. There was one point, I forget which quarter it was in, but they brought a corner blitz off of our sideline. He hit Braylon (Edwards) on the sideline. He recognized the blitz coming was able to step up, sort of avoid the corners, the head on contact and get the ball out to Braylon. I thought that the two plays before we had the fumbled exchange, when we were backed up, he threw a nice ball on the in-cut. There were some other nice balls, as well. Then there were some plays where I felt like he could have done a better job with the read. He knows that and it's been pointed out and those are things that we need to see a little bit better the next time was face it."
So here we have a classic media question trying to get Mangini to say something negative about Quinn, looks like he had alot of POSITIVE things to say
(On if Quinn is facing typical growing pains of a young quarterback)- "Yes, I think there are a lot of things, offensively, as we continue to work against opponents and work together against opponents that we're going to have to adjust to and improve on. With a team like Denver, that is game plan specific, you can go in and plan and anticipate, but there's always going to be stuff that wasn't on the list. You need to come off to the sideline, see those things, correct those things and hopefully pick them up and capitalize next time you see it."
Here we have Mangini saying that Quinns play is typical growing pains that come with a new offense and a young QB, Brady is our QB of the future, lets let him develop and make mistakes now, so he can get better later. (i.e. Eli Manning & Drew Brees)
(On how much the struggles going on around Brady Quinn are affecting his play)- "As we talked about after the game Mary Kay (Cabot), it starts with the quarterback. Usually that's what everybody looks at. Typically, they get a lion's share of the credit and a lion's share of the blame, but as you watch any play, it comes down to everybody doing what they're supposed to do on that spot. You might be looking downfield to anticipate the in-cut breaking open or come back, or whatever it is, knowing that your check down is going to be in a certain spot. When you come back and that check down's not where it's supposed to be, that might be the difference between a sack and not a sack. They bring a corner pressure and the back is supposed to check front side, and then come back side, you have to trust that that's being taken care of. Sometimes you can get sacked and the protection should have had it picked up. It may look like you moved into that sack, but that's not necessarily the case. Same thing with routes, sometimes it looks like the throw's way off and in reality, the adjustment wasn't what it was supposed to be. It's really relying on everybody doing what they're supposed to do."
Thank you Eric Mangini
Mangini Is pretty confident in Quinn, he was even asked if he could see Quinn starting far down the road and he said "Yes... Absolutely!"
I think it has way more to do with the line play, the playcalling, and the route running than Quinns play, who is he supposed to throw to if his wideouts arent open, and his check down is in the wrong place/covered? Not to mention the pass protection is breaking down
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mikeyP72 said:
Blaming anyone other than BQ is pretty cowardly.Man up and accept he's shitting the bed.
No worse than DA though..... DONNNNNT STOOOOOOOOP BEEELEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIN!
I have to wholeheartedly disagree, Here is a post of mine from another thread taking direct excerpts from Coach Mangini's press conferences, I dont think we can really blame Quinn for most of this, alot of the things that happened in game were the fault of our momentum being shut down by a dumb penalty, fumble (Mack on a bad snap), and dropped passes.
ummmm....
(On Brady Quinn seeming indecisive at times against Denver)- "I thought there were times that he made some really good decisions. There was one point, I forget which quarter it was in, but they brought a corner blitz off of our sideline. He hit Braylon (Edwards) on the sideline. He recognized the blitz coming was able to step up, sort of avoid the corners, the head on contact and get the ball out to Braylon. I thought that the two plays before we had the fumbled exchange, when we were backed up, he threw a nice ball on the in-cut. There were some other nice balls, as well. Then there were some plays where I felt like he could have done a better job with the read. He knows that and it's been pointed out and those are things that we need to see a little bit better the next time was face it."
So here we have a classic media question trying to get Mangini to say something negative about Quinn, looks like he had alot of POSITIVE things to say
(On if Quinn is facing typical growing pains of a young quarterback)- "Yes, I think there are a lot of things, offensively, as we continue to work against opponents and work together against opponents that we're going to have to adjust to and improve on. With a team like Denver, that is game plan specific, you can go in and plan and anticipate, but there's always going to be stuff that wasn't on the list. You need to come off to the sideline, see those things, correct those things and hopefully pick them up and capitalize next time you see it."
Here we have Mangini saying that Quinns play is typical growing pains that come with a new offense and a young QB, Brady is our QB of the future, lets let him develop and make mistakes now, so he can get better later. (i.e. Eli Manning & Drew Brees)
(On how much the struggles going on around Brady Quinn are affecting his play)- "As we talked about after the game Mary Kay (Cabot), it starts with the quarterback. Usually that's what everybody looks at. Typically, they get a lion's share of the credit and a lion's share of the blame, but as you watch any play, it comes down to everybody doing what they're supposed to do on that spot. You might be looking downfield to anticipate the in-cut breaking open or come back, or whatever it is, knowing that your check down is going to be in a certain spot. When you come back and that check down's not where it's supposed to be, that might be the difference between a sack and not a sack. They bring a corner pressure and the back is supposed to check front side, and then come back side, you have to trust that that's being taken care of. Sometimes you can get sacked and the protection should have had it picked up. It may look like you moved into that sack, but that's not necessarily the case. Same thing with routes, sometimes it looks like the throw's way off and in reality, the adjustment wasn't what it was supposed to be. It's really relying on everybody doing what they're supposed to do."
Thank you Eric Mangini
Mangini Is pretty confident in Quinn, he was even asked if he could see Quinn starting far down the road and he said "Yes... Absolutely!"
I think it has way more to do with the line play, the playcalling, and the route running than Quinns play, who is he supposed to throw to if his wideouts arent open, and his check down is in the wrong place/covered? Not to mention the pass protection is breaking down
I have to wholeheartedly disagree, Here is a post of mine from another thread taking direct excerpts from Coach Mangini's press conferences, I dont think we can really blame Quinn for most of this, alot of the things that happened in game were the fault of our momentum being shut down by a dumb penalty, fumble (Mack on a bad snap), and dropped passes.
Mangini Is pretty confident in Quinn, he was even asked if he could see Quinn starting far down the road and he said "Yes... Absolutely!"
I think it has way more to do with the line play, the playcalling, and the route running than Quinns play, who is he supposed to throw to if his wideouts arent open, and his check down is in the wrong place/covered? Not to mention the pass protection is breaking down
RE: the pass protection breaking down- as I mentioned earlier, on a sheer numbers basis, the Browns actually got to Orton more times than the Broncos got to Quinn. However, there were way more times that Orton could count to Mississippi six, have a snack and finally deliver a pass to a wide open Brandon Stokley. No secondary can cover WRs forever.
That's not to exonerate Quinn- he does need to do a better job of reading the D and unloading the ball faster than we've seen to date.
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What a bunch of whiny babies.
I guess it keeps the reading interesting but for crying out loud what did you expect.
Great, put the back up in. Again. Why is it so hard to grasp the concept of a rookie QB (1st year starter)
There is alot of piss poor reasons people have for wanting DA back in there. Such as the season ticket holder bs, just give up your seats if you don't want them.
Everyone is a freaking know it all and wants to run out of town anyone who attempts something you as fans don't approve, way to be a typical jack ass fan.
Quinn won the starting job, he beat out a pro bowl qb who challenged him. How long does everyone want to sling crap around hoping there opinion will alter the direction the Browns are going?
Quinn although crappy these first 2 games is definately not in danger yet of losing his job, if he continues with no improvement then possibly at 70% snap thresh hold you look at things differently.
So for all you poor, poor embarrassed Browns fan suck it up or simply go root for Buffalo.
The Rookie QB is only 16-months younger than the hardened disposed Vet.
Want to buy my PSL's and remaining Season Tickets, Big guy?
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what section?
Section: 342, Row 15 (available next season)
Season Tickets:
$55.00 per seat x2 seats = 110.00 x10 = $ 1100.00
PSL's:
$925.00 per seat x2 seats = $ 1,850.00
Total:
$2,950.00 in 2010 (unless price change, may include transfer fee [$50?], and handling small handling fee [$4])
Basically $3k and the pair are yours starting next season ... each year the renewable season tixs are $1100/per season, with you owning the PSL.
Good seats, below is a view from the seats:
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what section?
Section: 342, Row 15 (available next season)
Season Tickets:
$55.00 per seat x2 seats = 110.00 x10 = $ 1100.00
PSL's:
$925.00 per seat x2 seats = $ 1,850.00
Total:
$2,950.00 in 2010 (unless price change, may include transfer fee [$50?], and handling small handling fee [$4])
Basically $3k and the pair are yours starting next season ... each year the renewable season tixs are $1100/per season, with you owning the PSL.
Good seats, below is a view from the seats:
Section: 342, Row 15 (available next season)
Season Tickets:
$55.00 per seat x2 seats = 110.00 x10 = $ 1100.00
PSL's:
$925.00 per seat x2 seats = $ 1,850.00
Total:
$2,950.00 in 2010 (unless price change, may include transfer fee [$50?], and handling small handling fee [$4])
Basically $3k and the pair are yours for next season!
Good seats, below is a view from the seats:
Actually i may try and straighten there teeth myself.
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im in 540 now. are you serious?
Yes, I'm serious.
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What a bunch of whiny babies.
I guess it keeps the reading interesting but for crying out loud what did you expect.
Great, put the back up in. Again. Why is it so hard to grasp the concept of a rookie QB (1st year starter)
There are alot of piss poor reasons people have for wanting DA back in there. Such as the season ticket holder bs, just give up your seats if you don't want them.
Everyone is a freaking know it all and wants to run out of town anyone who attempts something you as fans don't approve, way to be a typical jack ass fan.
Quinn won the starting job, he beat out a pro bowl qb who challenged him. How long does everyone want to sling crap around hoping there opinion will alter the direction the Browns are going?
Quinn although crappy these first 2 games is definately not in danger yet of losing his job, if he continues with no improvement then possibly at 70% snap thresh hold you look at things differently.
So for all you poor, poor embarrassed Browns fan suck it up or simply go root for Buffalo.
What a bunch of whiny babies.
I guess it keeps the reading interesting but for crying out loud what did you expect.
Great, put the back up in. Again. Why is it so hard to grasp the concept of a rookie QB (1st year starter)
The last "rookie QB" we had tied the club record for TDs in a game, threw a ton of TDs, had more TD's than turnovers, and won 10 games to boot... and many of the posters here wanted to dump him.
Be careful what you wish for.
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