Take Tim Couch out and put in Derek Anderson
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Technically, 4th in 4 years... One offense in Baltimore, 3 in Cleveland.
OK, lets say it's his 10th frickin system, he got beat out in a 'open' competition.
What part of the preseason, TC, or last year and tailend of previous season did you not see?
My whole point is to move forward and not keep reaching back to 2007. If Quinn is a bust at least you know for sure by playing him this year. Argue all you want about DA but what more proof do you really need?
Stand behind a new 'rookie' qb and hope for continued success unlike the previous 'rookie'.
OK, lets say it's his 10th frickin system, he got beat out in a 'open' competition.
What part of the preseason, TC, or last year and tailend of previous season did you not see?
My whole point is to move forward and not keep reaching back to 2007. If Quinn is a bust at least you know for sure by playing him this year. Argue all you want about DA but what more proof do you really need?
Stand behind a new 'rookie' qb and hope for continued success unlike the previous 'rookie'.
Are you saying we should stand behind BQ and hope for "continued success"? That sort of implies the team's had some with him at the helm.
I say give BQ four to five games to show "success" or at least improvement to the point that the team can expect to win some games... they had that with the last guy. The Browns immediately got better when DA stepped on the field in '07, and despite his troubles later in the season the team still had success, won what, 5 of their last 7 games. In '08, he shouldn't have been playing early on, the team had lots of health issues, and when BQ came in they were healthy for all of one game, but that ended in a loss anyways. This preseason I saw both QBs get screwed as far as practice and game time, tough to make a judgement. All's I know is DA made things happen, some good, some bad. I've yet to see BQ make anything happen.
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OK, lets say it's his 10th frickin system, he got beat out in a 'open' competition.
What part of the preseason, TC, or last year and tailend of previous season did you not see?
My whole point is to move forward and not keep reaching back to 2007. If Quinn is a bust at least you know for sure by playing him this year. Argue all you want about DA but what more proof do you really need?
Stand behind a new 'rookie' qb and hope for continued success unlike the previous 'rookie'.
Are you saying we should stand behind BQ and hope for "continued success"? That sort of implies the team's had some with him at the helm.
I say give BQ four to five games to show "success" or at least improvement to the point that the team can expect to win some games... they had that with the last guy. The Browns immediately got better when DA stepped on the field in '07, and despite his troubles later in the season the team still had success, won what, 5 of their last 7 games. In '08, he shouldn't have been playing early on, the team had lots of health issues, and when BQ came in they were healthy for all of one game, but that ended in a loss anyways. This preseason I saw both QBs get screwed as far as practice and game time, tough to make a judgement. All's I know is DA made things happen, some good, some bad. I've yet to see BQ make anything happen.
Are you saying we should stand behind BQ and hope for "continued success"? That sort of implies the team's had some with him at the helm.
I say give BQ four to five games to show "success" or at least improvement to the point that the team can expect to win some games... they had that with the last guy. The Browns immediately got better when DA stepped on the field in '07, and despite his troubles later in the season the team still had success, won what, 5 of their last 7 games. In '08, he shouldn't have been playing early on, the team had lots of health issues, and when BQ came in they were healthy for all of one game, but that ended in a loss anyways. This preseason I saw both QBs get screwed as far as practice and game time, tough to make a judgement. All's I know is DA made things happen, some good, some bad. I've yet to see BQ make anything happen.
It seems the only thing we are really debating is how long do you give Quinn before he's benched, and at that point your left with his back up.
It might be difficult but i'll look for the positives in his play and hope option B isn't needed, because if it is option C is a neccessity.
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I say give BQ four to five games to show "success" or at least improvement to the point that the team can expect to win some games... they had that with the last guy. The Browns immediately got better when DA stepped on the field in '07, and despite his troubles later in the season the team still had success, won what, 5 of their last 7 games. In '08, he shouldn't have been playing early on, the team had lots of health issues, and when BQ came in they were healthy for all of one game, but that ended in a loss anyways. This preseason I saw both QBs get screwed as far as practice and game time, tough to make a judgement. All's I know is DA made things happen, some good, some bad. I've yet to see BQ make anything happen.
You're usually pretty logical. This is just a bad post.
They didn't "have that" with the last guy. They had success in '07. Not in his first starts of '06 and not in all but one start in '08. The last guy lost his job.
I love all the excuses embedded in your post for DA but its all on the new QB for the lack of success in 2 games this year.
You're going to see more than "four or five" starts barring a complete and obvious breakdown of Quinn's play. Sure, its hard to intepret Mangini's thoughts through is press remarks, but its all we have to go on. Nothing there indicates Quinn is on that kind of leash.
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I say give BQ four to five games to show "success" or at least improvement to the point that the team can expect to win some games... they had that with the last guy. The Browns immediately got better when DA stepped on the field in '07, and despite his troubles later in the season the team still had success, won what, 5 of their last 7 games. In '08, he shouldn't have been playing early on, the team had lots of health issues, and when BQ came in they were healthy for all of one game, but that ended in a loss anyways. This preseason I saw both QBs get screwed as far as practice and game time, tough to make a judgement. All's I know is DA made things happen, some good, some bad. I've yet to see BQ make anything happen.
You're usually pretty logical. This is just a bad post.
They didn't "have that" with the last guy. They had success in '07. Not in his first starts of '06 and not in all but one start in '08. The last guy lost his job.
I love all the excuses embedded in your post for DA but its all on the new QB for the lack of success in 2 games this year.
You're going to see more than "four or five" starts barring a complete and obvious breakdown of Quinn's play. Sure, its hard to intepret Mangini's thoughts through is press remarks, but its all we have to go on. Nothing there indicates Quinn is on that kind of leash.
You're usually pretty logical. This is just a bad post.
They didn't "have that" with the last guy. They had success in '07. Not in his first starts of '06 and not in all but one start in '08. The last guy lost his job.
I love all the excuses embedded in your post for DA but its all on the new QB for the lack of success in 2 games this year.
You're going to see more than "four or five" starts barring a complete and obvious breakdown of Quinn's play. Sure, its hard to intepret Mangini's thoughts through is press remarks, but its all we have to go on. Nothing there indicates Quinn is on that kind of leash.
Somehow I think if BQ goes 5 games straight without throwing a meaningful TD or only completing 2 or 3 passes of over 18-20 yards, they're going to have to wonder if he's EVER going to be a QB that can do those things. NO excuses, just reality.
I was responding to some guy who claimed we should treat BQ as a rookie and let him figure it out some time way off in the future. A year or two back there were people on this board not willing to put up with growing pains with a guy who was actually putting points on the board and winning a fair portion of his starts, even though he was in pretty much the same postion is Quinn is now. So far the one who's actually shown potential is sitting on the bench.
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With DA. He is still a young QB and has NEVER been coached up to be "the guy". Every year, every day, every throw, every second he has been here he has been in a QB competition. He is still raw because of this. And it is his 3rd system in 4 years!
Technically, 4th in 4 years... One offense in Baltimore, 3 in Cleveland.
Technically, 4th in 4 years... One offense in Baltimore, 3 in Cleveland.
And yet, DA has NEVER won a QB competition to get the starting job.....3 regimes, 3 lost QB competitions.
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1) It's been well documented a bunch of DA's wins in the 2007 season came against the dregs of the NFL. 2008 injuries? the great ones rise above it- like Tom Brady when half of the team was on IR- DBs playing wr- remember?
2) Quinn doesn't have an NFL arm? Really? You're way too in love with velocity Sev. By that yardstick, I guess Joe Montana and Brian Sipe didn't have "NFL arms" either. Velocity don't mean squat if you can't control it- see George, Jeff for exhibit "A", and seasons 1-3 of Elway, John for exhibit "B".
Apparently, you're willing to bet that DA has learned to take something off his 95mph fastball, and throw an accurate short touch pass. Sorry, I saw nothing in the preseason that indicated he's learned to do that.
NO NO NO NO! It doesn't matter how DA succeeded the point is that he has. And the fact remains Brady hasn't. He also hasn't improved even one percent on any part of his game in 3 YEARS........He has peaked.
Quinn's lack of arm strength is REAL and it causes him to NOT make throws that he should be making. And it makes him less accurate. If the ball doesn't get there quick enough, it will be high, low, or behind. He rarely ever throws to a guy who isn't standing still or at the most a slow trot because he CANNOT get it there and he knows it. In his mind, 25 incompletes and 15 sacks is better than one interception. WRONG WRONG WRONG. Take a chance with your lousy arm, learn to play effectively with it, or call your family doctor and take yourself out, again!
With DA. He is still a young QB and has NEVER been coached up to be "the guy". Every year, every day, every throw, every second he has been here he has been in a QB competition. He is still raw because of this. And it is his 3rd system in 4 years! Taking just those two things into consideration, it's quite an accomplishment just to be in the league right now let alone have a 29 TD season! And, 2008 he had ZERO targets to go to and was still asked to throw 30-40 times a game. Assinine, just assinine.
20 teams and 2 coaches could not give Quinn the job and that is no coincidence. The reason he is in there now is because the season is a wash and the sooner we get this Brady experiment out of the way the sooner we can start building an actual team with an actual QB. DA or someone else. And when you sell 10,000,000 #10 jerseys to a bunch of 15 year old girls and guys who want to sleep with them, the owners tend to pressure the coach a little bit to make a decision i,e Denver on Thursday night of 2008. By pressure I mean. "isn't there any reason at all that you can find to start this kid? We're concerned about attendance. (see ticket sales the day after Quinn was named the starter).
PS. Montana and Sipe played in a different era. Sipe was the 70's when DB's didn't run 4.2 40s and Montana had the good fortune of playing in a revalutionary new system called the "West Coast Offense" with Jerry Rice and Roger Craig which his skills were PERFECTLY suited for. Not to mention he was always calm. Brady however, is a nervous wreck out there and doesn't have a revalutionary new system that will take defenses 10 years to adapt to.
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NO NO NO NO! It doesn't matter how DA succeeded the point is that he has. And the fact remains Brady hasn't. He also hasn't improved even one percent on any part of his game in 3 YEARS........He has peaked.
Quinn's lack of arm strength is REAL and it causes him to NOT make throws that he should be making. And it makes him less accurate. If the ball doesn't get there quick enough, it will be high, low, or behind. He rarely ever throws to a guy who isn't standing still or at the most a slow trot because he CANNOT get it there and he knows it. In his mind, 25 incompletes and 15 sacks is better than one interception. WRONG WRONG WRONG. Take a chance with your lousy arm, learn to play effectively with it, or call your family doctor and take yourself out, again!
With DA. He is still a young QB and has NEVER been coached up to be "the guy". Every year, every day, every throw, every second he has been here he has been in a QB competition. He is still raw because of this. And it is his 3rd system in 4 years! Taking just those two things into consideration, it's quite an accomplishment just to be in the league right now let alone have a 29 TD season! And, 2008 he had ZERO targets to go to and was still asked to throw 30-40 times a game. Assinine, just assinine.
20 teams and 2 coaches could not give Quinn the job and that is no coincidence. The reason he is in there now is because the season is a wash and the sooner we get this Brady experiment out of the way the sooner we can start building an actual team with an actual QB. DA or someone else. And when you sell 10,000,000 #10 jerseys to a bunch of 15 year old girls and guys who want to sleep with them, the owners tend to pressure the coach a little bit to make a decision i,e Denver on Thursday night of 2008. By pressure I mean. "isn't there any reason at all that you can find to start this kid? We're concerned about attendance. (see ticket sales the day after Quinn was named the starter).
PS. Montana and Sipe played in a different era. Sipe was the 70's when DB's didn't run 4.2 40s and Montana had the good fortune of playing in a revalutionary new system called the "West Coast Offense" with Jerry Rice and Roger Craig which his skills were PERFECTLY suited for. Not to mention he was always calm. Brady however, is a nervous wreck out there and doesn't have a revalutionary new system that will take defenses 10 years to adapt to.
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You crack me up!!!! You're a hopeless DA homer. Yep, end of discussion. Anderson has only not progressed, he's regressed. Scott Mitchell syndrome in my book. Can DA overcome his limitations and return to Pro Bowl status? I'll give that about as much chance of happening as Kameron Wimbley getting 12 sacks in a season again. Not willing to accept the possibility Anderson's been figured out, just like Wimbley has? Take away his one dimension (deep ball) and force him to throw short stuff. Can't do it, Just like teams figured out take away Wimbley's outside speed rush, and he's a one trick pony. Quinn's lack of arm strength is REAL in your mind. The reason BQ is in there now is because Mangini thinks he gives him the best chance to win, which incidentally gives him the best chance to keep his job. You really think EM is influenced by what teenage girls think? What a hoot! Oh, BTW, the coach that wouldn't start Quinn is currently unemployed, mainly because he couldn't recognize talent if it walked up to him and bit him in his fat a**.
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You're usually pretty logical. This is just a bad post.
They didn't "have that" with the last guy. They had success in '07. Not in his first starts of '06 and not in all but one start in '08. The last guy lost his job.
I love all the excuses embedded in your post for DA but its all on the new QB for the lack of success in 2 games this year.
You're going to see more than "four or five" starts barring a complete and obvious breakdown of Quinn's play. Sure, its hard to intepret Mangini's thoughts through is press remarks, but its all we have to go on. Nothing there indicates Quinn is on that kind of leash.
Somehow I think if BQ goes 5 games straight without throwing a meaningful TD or only completing 2 or 3 passes of over 18-20 yards, they're going to have to wonder if he's EVER going to be a QB that can do those things. NO excuses, just reality.
I was responding to some guy who claimed we should treat BQ as a rookie and let him figure it out some time way off in the future. A year or two back there were people on this board not willing to put up with growing pains with a guy who was actually putting points on the board and winning a fair portion of his starts, even though he was in pretty much the same postion is Quinn is now. So far the one who's actually shown potential is sitting on the bench.
Somehow I think if BQ goes 5 games straight without throwing a meaningful TD or only completing 2 or 3 passes of over 18-20 yards, they're going to have to wonder if he's EVER going to be a QB that can do those things. NO excuses, just reality.
I was responding to some guy who claimed we should treat BQ as a rookie and let him figure it out some time way off in the future. A year or two back there were people on this board not willing to put up with growing pains with a guy who was actually putting points on the board and winning a fair portion of his starts, even though he was in pretty much the same postion is Quinn is now. So far the one who's actually shown potential is sitting on the bench.
Your Drunk Again
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just read a post on the Ravens scout board that they'd be more worried playing Anderson than they are about Quinn.
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Somehow I think if BQ goes 5 games straight without throwing a meaningful TD or only completing 2 or 3 passes of over 18-20 yards, they're going to have to wonder if he's EVER going to be a QB that can do those things. NO excuses, just reality.
I was responding to some guy who claimed we should treat BQ as a rookie and let him figure it out some time way off in the future. A year or two back there were people on this board not willing to put up with growing pains with a guy who was actually putting points on the board and winning a fair portion of his starts, even though he was in pretty much the same postion is Quinn is now. So far the one who's actually shown potential is sitting on the bench.
Your Drunk Again
BillyJack said:
Your Drunk AgainAs it so happens, I've had a couple... but generally the more I've had, the more accurate I get...
Anyways... I'm still waiting for BQ to have a breakout win, at least show some serious potential.
EDIT: I was just curious to see how BQ's first 5 games compared to Charlie Frye's first 5 and was astounded. I recall seeing posts here about BQ having the best first start of a Brown in recent memory, turns out that is all BS, as CF had a QB rating over 130 in his first start... then settled into a long string of BQ-like games.
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BillyJack said:
Your Drunk AgainAs it so happens, I've had a couple... but generally the more I've had, the more accurate I get...
Anyways... I'm still waiting for BQ to have a breakout win, at least show some serious potential.
EDIT: I was just curious to see how BQ's first 5 games compared to Charlie Frye's first 5 and was astounded. I recall seeing posts here about BQ having the best first start of a Brown in recent memory, turns out that is all BS, as CF had a QB rating over 130 in his first start... then settled into a long string of BQ-like games.
I was just curious to see how BQ's first 5 games compared to Charlie Frye's first 5 and was astounded. I recall seeing posts here about BQ having the best first start of a Brown in recent memory, turns out that is all BS, as CF had a QB rating over 130 in his first start... then settled into a long string of BQ-like games.
This is front page news. start a new thread. shep is currently rolling over in his Quinn-dinkndunk-induced message board grave.
Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate
CLE JAX L 14-20 13 20 65.0% 226 2 0 136.7
how did anybody let shep go on so long with his bullshit story about Quinnie's 104 QB rating being a franchise record?
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NO NO NO NO! It doesn't matter how DA succeeded the point is that he has. And the fact remains Brady hasn't. He also hasn't improved even one percent on any part of his game in 3 YEARS........He has peaked.
Quinn's lack of arm strength is REAL and it causes him to NOT make throws that he should be making. And it makes him less accurate. If the ball doesn't get there quick enough, it will be high, low, or behind. He rarely ever throws to a guy who isn't standing still or at the most a slow trot because he CANNOT get it there and he knows it. In his mind, 25 incompletes and 15 sacks is better than one interception. WRONG WRONG WRONG. Take a chance with your lousy arm, learn to play effectively with it, or call your family doctor and take yourself out, again!
With DA. He is still a young QB and has NEVER been coached up to be "the guy". Every year, every day, every throw, every second he has been here he has been in a QB competition. He is still raw because of this. And it is his 3rd system in 4 years! Taking just those two things into consideration, it's quite an accomplishment just to be in the league right now let alone have a 29 TD season! And, 2008 he had ZERO targets to go to and was still asked to throw 30-40 times a game. Assinine, just assinine.
20 teams and 2 coaches could not give Quinn the job and that is no coincidence. The reason he is in there now is because the season is a wash and the sooner we get this Brady experiment out of the way the sooner we can start building an actual team with an actual QB. DA or someone else. And when you sell 10,000,000 #10 jerseys to a bunch of 15 year old girls and guys who want to sleep with them, the owners tend to pressure the coach a little bit to make a decision i,e Denver on Thursday night of 2008. By pressure I mean. "isn't there any reason at all that you can find to start this kid? We're concerned about attendance. (see ticket sales the day after Quinn was named the starter).
PS. Montana and Sipe played in a different era. Sipe was the 70's when DB's didn't run 4.2 40s and Montana had the good fortune of playing in a revalutionary new system called the "West Coast Offense" with Jerry Rice and Roger Craig which his skills were PERFECTLY suited for. Not to mention he was always calm. Brady however, is a nervous wreck out there and doesn't have a revalutionary new system that will take defenses 10 years to adapt to.
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You crack me up!!!! You're a hopeless DA homer. Yep, end of discussion. Anderson has only not progressed, he's regressed. Scott Mitchell syndrome in my book. Can DA overcome his limitations and return to Pro Bowl status? I'll give that about as much chance of happening as Kameron Wimbley getting 12 sacks in a season again. Not willing to accept the possibility Anderson's been figured out, just like Wimbley has? Take away his one dimension (deep ball) and force him to throw short stuff. Can't do it, Just like teams figured out take away Wimbley's outside speed rush, and he's a one trick pony. Quinn's lack of arm strength is REAL in your mind. The reason BQ is in there now is because Mangini thinks he gives him the best chance to win, which incidentally gives him the best chance to keep his job. You really think EM is influenced by what teenage girls think? What a hoot! Oh, BTW, the coach that wouldn't start Quinn is currently unemployed, mainly because he couldn't recognize talent if it walked up to him and bit him in his fat a**.
You crack me up!!!! You're a hopeless DA homer. Yep, end of discussion. Anderson has only not progressed, he's regressed. Scott Mitchell syndrome in my book. Can DA overcome his limitations and return to Pro Bowl status? I'll give that about as much chance of happening as Kameron Wimbley getting 12 sacks in a season again. Not willing to accept the possibility Anderson's been figured out, just like Wimbley has? Take away his one dimension (deep ball) and force him to throw short stuff. Can't do it, Just like teams figured out take away Wimbley's outside speed rush, and he's a one trick pony. Quinn's lack of arm strength is REAL in your mind. The reason BQ is in there now is because Mangini thinks he gives him the best chance to win, which incidentally gives him the best chance to keep his job. You really think EM is influenced by what teenage girls think? What a hoot! Oh, BTW, the coach that wouldn't start Quinn is currently unemployed, mainly because he couldn't recognize talent if it walked up to him and bit him in his fat a**.
What cracks me up is that everyone agrees the Browns have drafted bad for 10 years except for Quinn. You know, the guy who hasn't improved at all in 3 years and shows that he simply does not have the tools to play at this level. What has anyone ever seen in BQ that says he can play in the NFL? Or what have we seen that says he is even good?
I'm not a die-hard DA guy, he just happens to be what we have to choose from right now. And I just think he makes the team better. Granted, not great, but better. Let's not forget how much better he moved the offense in preseason than Quinn did. He threw more picks, yes. But how would you perform if your boss was standing behind you saying "don't mess up! Make a play! Be outstanding if you want a chance! Don't mess up! Don't mess up!" I just feel like given the guys we have on this team, he is the one that has the most potential and should be coached up.
And, I never said the coaches care who sells the most jerseys, I said the owner does. And don't forget, he's the OWNER.
I like how the previous regime "couldn't recognize talent if it walked up to him and bit him in his fat a**." But somehow you think he nailed it with Quinn?! Who, like I said, hasn't improved at all in 3 years and shows that he simply does not have the tools to play at this level. That my friend, is hilarious.
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You crack me up!!!! You're a hopeless DA homer. Yep, end of discussion. Anderson has only not progressed, he's regressed. Scott Mitchell syndrome in my book. Can DA overcome his limitations and return to Pro Bowl status? I'll give that about as much chance of happening as Kameron Wimbley getting 12 sacks in a season again. Not willing to accept the possibility Anderson's been figured out, just like Wimbley has? Take away his one dimension (deep ball) and force him to throw short stuff. Can't do it, Just like teams figured out take away Wimbley's outside speed rush, and he's a one trick pony. Quinn's lack of arm strength is REAL in your mind. The reason BQ is in there now is because Mangini thinks he gives him the best chance to win, which incidentally gives him the best chance to keep his job. You really think EM is influenced by what teenage girls think? What a hoot! Oh, BTW, the coach that wouldn't start Quinn is currently unemployed, mainly because he couldn't recognize talent if it walked up to him and bit him in his fat a**.
What cracks me up is that everyone agrees the Browns have drafted bad for 10 years except for Quinn. You know, the guy who hasn't improved at all in 3 years and shows that he simply does not have the tools to play at this level. What has anyone ever seen in BQ that says he can play in the NFL? Or what have we seen that says he is even good?
I'm not a die-hard DA guy, he just happens to be what we have to choose from right now. And I just think he makes the team better. Granted, not great, but better. Let's not forget how much better he moved the offense in preseason than Quinn did. He threw more picks, yes. But how would you perform if your boss was standing behind you saying "don't mess up! Make a play! Be outstanding if you want a chance! Don't mess up! Don't mess up!" I just feel like given the guys we have on this team, he is the one that has the most potential and should be coached up.
And, I never said the coaches care who sells the most jerseys, I said the owner does. And don't forget, he's the OWNER.
I like how the previous regime "couldn't recognize talent if it walked up to him and bit him in his fat a**." But somehow you think he nailed it with Quinn?! Who, like I said, hasn't improved at all in 3 years and shows that he simply does not have the tools to play at this level. That my friend, is hilarious.
What cracks me up is that everyone agrees the Browns have drafted bad for 10 years except for Quinn. You know, the guy who hasn't improved at all in 3 years and shows that he simply does not have the tools to play at this level. What has anyone ever seen in BQ that says he can play in the NFL? Or what have we seen that says he is even good?
Right. Quinn goes undrafted if the Hapless Browns don't pick him up in rd 1.
I'm not a die-hard DA guy, he just happens to be what we have to choose from right now. And I just think he makes the team better. Granted, not great, but better. Let's not forget how much better he moved the offense in preseason than Quinn did. He threw more picks, yes. But how would you perform if your boss was standing behind you saying "don't mess up! Make a play! Be outstanding if you want a chance! Don't mess up! Don't mess up!" I just feel like given the guys we have on this team, he is the one that has the most potential and should be coached up.
You get the type of safe, vanilla, timid play that Quinn is showing right now.And, I never said the coaches care who sells the most jerseys, I said the owner does. And don't forget, he's the OWNER.
I know "analysis" is difficult for you, but the basic fact remains: Mangenius has basically kept all of Savage's Day 1 guys. And they're currently starting. And not getting waived! Not looking good for your moose from Scappoose.I like how the previous regime "couldn't recognize talent if it walked up to him and bit him in his fat a**." But somehow you think he nailed it with Quinn?! Who, like I said, hasn't improved at all in 3 years and shows that he simply does not have the tools to play at this level. That my friend, is hilarious.
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Technically, 4th in 4 years... One offense in Baltimore, 3 in Cleveland.
And yet, DA has NEVER won a QB competition to get the starting job.....3 regimes, 3 lost QB competitions.
And yet, DA has NEVER won a QB competition to get the starting job.....3 regimes, 3 lost QB competitions.
Yet has the best record of any QB since our return ... wish we could say the same about one of the 3 regimes.
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What cracks me up is that everyone agrees the Browns have drafted bad for 10 years except for Quinn. You know, the guy who hasn't improved at all in 3 years and shows that he simply does not have the tools to play at this level. What has anyone ever seen in BQ that says he can play in the NFL? Or what have we seen that says he is even good?
Right. Quinn goes undrafted if the Hapless Browns don't pick him up in rd 1.
I'm not a die-hard DA guy, he just happens to be what we have to choose from right now. And I just think he makes the team better. Granted, not great, but better. Let's not forget how much better he moved the offense in preseason than Quinn did. He threw more picks, yes. But how would you perform if your boss was standing behind you saying "don't mess up! Make a play! Be outstanding if you want a chance! Don't mess up! Don't mess up!" I just feel like given the guys we have on this team, he is the one that has the most potential and should be coached up.
You get the type of safe, vanilla, timid play that Quinn is showing right now.And, I never said the coaches care who sells the most jerseys, I said the owner does. And don't forget, he's the OWNER.
I know "analysis" is difficult for you, but the basic fact remains: Mangenius has basically kept all of Savage's Day 1 guys. And they're currently starting. And not getting waived! Not looking good for your moose from Scappoose.I like how the previous regime "couldn't recognize talent if it walked up to him and bit him in his fat a**." But somehow you think he nailed it with Quinn?! Who, like I said, hasn't improved at all in 3 years and shows that he simply does not have the tools to play at this level. That my friend, is hilarious.
Right. Quinn goes undrafted if the Hapless Browns don't pick him up in rd 1.
All I said is, what makes you think that considering every one of our draft picks have been aweful, Brady is the exception? And I never suggested he would be on his other career as an underwear model by now if not for Savage.
You get the type of safe, vanilla, timid play that Quinn is showing right now.
Safe, vanilla, timid is EXACTLY the type of offense we have been complaining about for the better part of 10 years. Now, all of the sudden when Quinn's lack of ability is the reason for it, it's okay? Who's the bias homer again?
I know "analysis" is difficult for you, but the basic fact remains: Mangenius has basically kept all of Savage's Day 1 guys. And they're currently starting. And not getting waived! Not looking good for your moose from Scappoose.
Right, I am one of those guys who doesn't know what I'm watching on Sunday. I only understand picks and TDs.
Manigini kpt all of Savages picks because they have been the starters here for a while. What is he supposed to do?! Cut and trade 30 guys in one off-season and start a bunch of guys with no experience and rookies? Come on man, you sound silly. :pinches cheeks and pats on head:
And you never answered me about what you have EVER seen in Quinn that tells you ha has what it takes to play at this level? Inaccurately translating my perfectly clear english into smears doesn't answer the question or address the topic. What's wrong? Is "analysis" difficult for you? Just answer the questions. I am still very open to changing my mind but I see ne reason to.
I've watched Quinn in 2 training camps, 2 preseasons, and four games and have always said the same thing. He holds the ball too long, he refuses to attempt throws past 10 yards, he's uncomfortable, he has a week arm, and the team doesn't respect him. It hasn't changed yet and I don't think it will. All his supporters can say is "DA has had some bad games and Quinn is atheletic". WHAT?!
This isn't a "my guy vs your guy" competition. I just want the best guy out there and not have fans that feel like Quinn is entitled to the job regardless of what he has shown. It's sad.
"Chances are, if you think Jay Leno is funny, I don't care for you as a person" - Peter Griffin -
I've watched Quinn in 2 training camps, 2 preseasons, and four games and have always said the same thing. He holds the ball too long, he refuses to attempt throws past 10 yards, he's uncomfortable, he has a week arm, and the team doesn't respect him. It hasn't changed yet and I don't think it will. All his supporters can say is "DA has had some bad games and Quinn is atheletic". WHAT?!
You've answered your own question right here.
The problem is the "I" above.
The current coaching staff "watched Quinn in training camp, preseason, and four games (tape I'm sure)" and picked him over DA.
What else do you need to know?
Point is, if you think Quinn sucks then we need a new QB. DA's already riding the pine behind him.
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I was just curious to see how BQ's first 5 games compared to Charlie Frye's first 5 and was astounded. I recall seeing posts here about BQ having the best first start of a Brown in recent memory, turns out that is all BS, as CF had a QB rating over 130 in his first start... then settled into a long string of BQ-like games.
This is front page news. start a new thread. shep is currently rolling over in his Quinn-dinkndunk-induced message board grave.
Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate
CLE JAX L 14-20 13 20 65.0% 226 2 0 136.7
how did anybody let shep go on so long with his bullshit story about Quinnie's 104 QB rating being a franchise record?
This is front page news. start a new thread. shep is currently rolling over in his Quinn-dinkndunk-induced message board grave.
Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate
CLE JAX L 14-20 13 20 65.0% 226 2 0 136.7
how did anybody let shep go on so long with his bullshit story about Quinnie's 104 QB rating being a franchise record?
Well that only took you a year to come up with.
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Right. Quinn goes undrafted if the Hapless Browns don't pick him up in rd 1.
All I said is, what makes you think that considering every one of our draft picks have been aweful, Brady is the exception? And I never suggested he would be on his other career as an underwear model by now if not for Savage.
You get the type of safe, vanilla, timid play that Quinn is showing right now.
Safe, vanilla, timid is EXACTLY the type of offense we have been complaining about for the better part of 10 years. Now, all of the sudden when Quinn's lack of ability is the reason for it, it's okay? Who's the bias homer again?
I know "analysis" is difficult for you, but the basic fact remains: Mangenius has basically kept all of Savage's Day 1 guys. And they're currently starting. And not getting waived! Not looking good for your moose from Scappoose.
Right, I am one of those guys who doesn't know what I'm watching on Sunday. I only understand picks and TDs.
Manigini kpt all of Savages picks because they have been the starters here for a while. What is he supposed to do?! Cut and trade 30 guys in one off-season and start a bunch of guys with no experience and rookies? Come on man, you sound silly. :pinches cheeks and pats on head:
And you never answered me about what you have EVER seen in Quinn that tells you ha has what it takes to play at this level? Inaccurately translating my perfectly clear english into smears doesn't answer the question or address the topic. What's wrong? Is "analysis" difficult for you? Just answer the questions. I am still very open to changing my mind but I see ne reason to.
I've watched Quinn in 2 training camps, 2 preseasons, and four games and have always said the same thing. He holds the ball too long, he refuses to attempt throws past 10 yards, he's uncomfortable, he has a week arm, and the team doesn't respect him. It hasn't changed yet and I don't think it will. All his supporters can say is "DA has had some bad games and Quinn is atheletic". WHAT?!
This isn't a "my guy vs your guy" competition. I just want the best guy out there and not have fans that feel like Quinn is entitled to the job regardless of what he has shown. It's sad.
And you never answered me about what you have EVER seen in Quinn that tells you ha has what it takes to play at this level? Inaccurately translating my perfectly clear english into smears doesn't answer the question or address the topic. What's wrong? Is "analysis" difficult for you? Just answer the questions. I am still very open to changing my mind but I see ne reason to.
You said:
What has anyone ever seen in BQ that says he can play in the NFL? Or what have we seen that says he is even good?
That's a pretty strong implication that Quinn doesn't belong in the NFL. Nobody has to translate [sic] anything. Trust me. You're not speaking in any kind of code.
Be a man, stand up behind your words, or I'll keep throwing them in your face.
After that, we can have a conversation, like adults, and I can answer your question (that 50 members including myself have answered at least 20 time each).
But since the search feature of the board is clearly whipping your ass right now, take a look at Greythans post (about 3 up) for the only answer you need to worry about this season.
Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck. -Don Shula -
I've watched Quinn in 2 training camps, 2 preseasons, and four games and have always said the same thing. He holds the ball too long, he refuses to attempt throws past 10 yards, he's uncomfortable, he has a week arm, and the team doesn't respect him. It hasn't changed yet and I don't think it will. All his supporters can say is "DA has had some bad games and Quinn is atheletic". WHAT?!
You've answered your own question right here.
The problem is the "I" above.
The current coaching staff "watched Quinn in training camp, preseason, and four games (tape I'm sure)" and picked him over DA.
What else do you need to know?
Point is, if you think Quinn sucks then we need a new QB. DA's already riding the pine behind him.
You've answered your own question right here.
The problem is the "I" above.
The current coaching staff "watched Quinn in training camp, preseason, and four games (tape I'm sure)" and picked him over DA.
What else do you need to know?
Point is, if you think Quinn sucks then we need a new QB. DA's already riding the pine behind him.
By that same line of reasoning than when Quinn was riding the pine in 2007 and 2008 and that coaching staff picked DA over quinn than we needed a qb than and Quinn did not need to be seen
You keep trying to over simplify this as if coaching careers/owner/fans=ticket & apparal sales/over controlling gm's(savage)/skill players/offensive/defensive schemes/injuries/inconsistent plays etc dont all factor in to the equation.
Because of the complicated nature of that business these decisions and political/monetary/personal etc issues effect how/when/who plays... You are trying to create almost elementary conclusions and arguments to hundreds of million dollars complicated issues.
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How come when DA was going 13 - 11 that all anybody could say was put in the back up. Now that the back up is struggling the only alternative is that we need to stick with him?
Yea the Browns look like they need to get in a different QB. But, if BQ keeps playing this way for 8, 10 games then why would you want him to get a 11 million bonus? Save the money and use it to make the team better.
I mean to use a statement that I have heard before. How could DA play worse? This is all of course tied to IF BQ does not improve over the next several games. IF BQ actually plays well then this will be put on the back burner.
Last preseason can you really say that BQ would have won a QB competition? I mean DA played well in the 1 or 2 possessions he got in the first game and then got a concussion in game 2. Are you really trying to say that BQ rised up and took control in last years preseason? All BQ did last preseason is show that he might be able to play. He did not shine. And in 2007 the season went half a year before the coaching staff said opps. We called heads when we should have called tails. And changed the QB. Amd if you want to point to the 2007 preseason then yea BQ played well against 4th stringers.
And if you really look at last year DA started the season off 0 - 3 when he had no receivers and coming off a concussion. Over the next 5 games he lead a 4 win team to 3 wins and 2 losses and should have been 4 and 1 if not for dropped passes and ill timed interception.
So far this year BQ has not shown that he can move the ball well or generate first downs. But he has averaged 2 turnovers a game. Don't change now but if this trend continues then how could you possibly want to stay with him? What would be your reasoning then? Hopefully BQ improves and we don't have to make a switch. But if he keeps playing this way how could BQs own mother want him to stay in there?
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