Cribbs is clueless
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I believe the problem is that Cribbs isn't quick, but only fast once getting up to full steam. This matters hugely in the skill positions. On Punt returns, he can get motoring, finds a crease and runs through'em like he's running down hill, it ain't his Barry Sanders like moves that brings the success it his big body full speed ahead running. This can't be applied to the skill positions, he's too slow in turning his hips and darting.
I'd like to see him involved in screens, like the Colts used this past weekend. Have him catch the ball underneith coming parallel with the line, form a wall for him to cut off of and get him off to the races.
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I believe the problem is that Cribbs isn't quick, but only fast once getting up to full steam. This matters hugely in the skill positions. On Punt returns, he can get motoring, finds a crease and runs through'em like he's running down hill, it ain't his Barry Sanders like moves that brings the success it his big body full speed ahead running. This can't be applied to the skill positions, he's too slow in turning his hips and darting.
I'd like to see him involved in screens, like the Colts used this past weekend. Have him catch the ball underneith coming parallel with the line, form a wall for him to cut off of and get him off to the races.
I believe the problem is that Cribbs isn't quick, but only fast once getting up to full steam. This matters hugely in the skill positions. On Punt returns, he can get motoring, finds a crease and runs through'em like he's running down hill, it ain't his Barry Sanders like moves that brings the success it his big body full speed ahead running. This can't be applied to the skill positions, he's too slow in turning his hips and darting.
I'd like to see him involved in screens, like the Colts used this past weekend. Have him catch the ball underneith coming parallel with the line, form a wall for him to cut off of and get him off to the races.
Yeah but then we'd actually have to run a screen pass.
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I believe the problem is that Cribbs isn't quick, but only fast once getting up to full steam. This matters hugely in the skill positions. On Punt returns, he can get motoring, finds a crease and runs through'em like he's running down hill, it ain't his Barry Sanders like moves that brings the success it his big body full speed ahead running. This can't be applied to the skill positions, he's too slow in turning his hips and darting.
I'd like to see him involved in screens, like the Colts used this past weekend. Have him catch the ball underneith coming parallel with the line, form a wall for him to cut off of and get him off to the races.
Yeah but then we'd actually have to run a screen pass.
Yeah but then we'd actually have to run a screen pass.
Ahh yeah ... that has been a problem since 1999, and a blame squarely on the coaching.
I hate watching other NFL games because it seems like your watching a different league. We have trouble executing the most basic plays.
Can we just hit Cribbs in-stride then? Is that too much to ask?
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I just saw the 3rd time on third down where Cribbs runs a pattern short of the 1st down marker. Get him out of there until he learns how to play the WR position. GOOD GRIEF.. Three times?????? and the 2nd half just started.. Oh and then fumbled.
I just saw the 3rd time on third down where Cribbs runs a pattern short of the 1st down marker. Get him out of there until he learns how to play the WR position. GOOD GRIEF.. Three times?????? and the 2nd half just started.. Oh and then fumbled.
I saw that too... and I'd agree with you if the pattern was 1 or 2 yards shy of a 1st down. But on 3rd and 8 or longer, and he is running a 3 yard pattern. That's a play design by the OC, not a mis-read on distance needed by Cribbs.
He basically was the outlet option for Quinn, and Quinn chose to throw to him before anything else could develop.
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Okay, here's the story with Cribbs.
The guy has excellent vision of his opponents in front of him. On special teams he had a panoramic view of the opposition and used his explosiveness to cut through the seams. He excelled at QB and even ran over 1,000 yards at Kent State. Why? They were in front of him. Playing WR is a completely different element because that panoramic vision is no longer there. Now Cribbs has to run precise routes, turn his back to the opponent, catch a ball, and then scope the field and use his talents. This is utilizing him so poorly.
So what position not on special teams can show Cribb's that head on view I keep repeating? His two best bets are running back or safety. Make him one and watch him shine.
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He has not learned the WR position very well in 4 years.. What makes you think it won't take him even longer to learn safety ( another position he has never played).. It takes guys who actually PLAYED saftey in college a couple years to learn the position in the pro's.. What makes you believe Cribbs is so much smater or better than them? because he can make special teams tackles... I call BS .. This is just dumb..
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He has not learned the WR position very well in 4 years.. What makes you think it won't take him even longer to learn safety ( another position he has never played).. It takes guys who actually PLAYED saftey in college a couple years to learn the position in the pro's.. What makes you believe Cribbs is so much smater or better than them? because he can make special teams tackles... I call BS .. This is just dumb..
He has not learned the WR position very well in 4 years.. What makes you think it won't take him even longer to learn safety ( another position he has never played).. It takes guys who actually PLAYED saftey in college a couple years to learn the position in the pro's.. What makes you believe Cribbs is so much smater or better than them? because he can make special teams tackles... I call BS .. This is just dumb..
I disagree completely. My point is that safety and running back better fit Cribbs' skill set. So if we're going to start him somewhere from scratch it's obvious to put him at a position with a higher probability of success. Running precise routes and concentrating on the pigskin while a safety is about to pop you is not his forte. He's the one that likes to do the hitting not the other way around. The bottom line is that he knows WR just as much as he knows safety (or RB)... so let's end this charade and see if he's got some Bob or Barry Sanders in him.
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He has not learned the WR position very well in 4 years.. What makes you think it won't take him even longer to learn safety ( another position he has never played).. It takes guys who actually PLAYED saftey in college a couple years to learn the position in the pro's.. What makes you believe Cribbs is so much smater or better than them? because he can make special teams tackles... I call BS .. This is just dumb..
I disagree completely. My point is that safety and running back better fit Cribbs' skill set. So if we're going to start him somewhere from scratch it's obvious to put him at a position with a higher probability of success. Running precise routes and concentrating on the pigskin while a safety is about to pop you is not his forte. He's the one that likes to do the hitting not the other way around. The bottom line is that he knows WR just as much as he knows safety (or RB)... so let's end this charade and see if he's got some Bob or Barry Sanders in him.
I disagree completely. My point is that safety and running back better fit Cribbs' skill set. So if we're going to start him somewhere from scratch it's obvious to put him at a position with a higher probability of success. Running precise routes and concentrating on the pigskin while a safety is about to pop you is not his forte. He's the one that likes to do the hitting not the other way around. The bottom line is that he knows WR just as much as he knows safety (or RB)... so let's end this charade and see if he's got some Bob or Barry Sanders in him.
He already has a position of success.. kick and punt returns.. Stop. do not pass go. do not collect 200$.
Keep him there and stop trying to make him somthing he is not!!!!!!!
We have other players that actaully PLAY those other positions.. They do not need to learn from scratch..
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I disagree completely. My point is that safety and running back better fit Cribbs' skill set. So if we're going to start him somewhere from scratch it's obvious to put him at a position with a higher probability of success. Running precise routes and concentrating on the pigskin while a safety is about to pop you is not his forte. He's the one that likes to do the hitting not the other way around. The bottom line is that he knows WR just as much as he knows safety (or RB)... so let's end this charade and see if he's got some Bob or Barry Sanders in him.
He already has a position of success.. kick and punt returns.. Stop. do not pass go. do not collect 200$.
Keep him there and stop trying to make him somthing he is not!!!!!!!
We have other players that actaully PLAY those other positions.. They do not need to learn from scratch..
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I say you start Zastudil at QB, line Cribbs up 40 yards behind Zastudil and have Zastudil take the snap, turn around and punt him the ball. He would score more TD's that way and we could end the QB debate...
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I disagree completely. My point is that safety and running back better fit Cribbs' skill set. So if we're going to start him somewhere from scratch it's obvious to put him at a position with a higher probability of success. Running precise routes and concentrating on the pigskin while a safety is about to pop you is not his forte. He's the one that likes to do the hitting not the other way around. The bottom line is that he knows WR just as much as he knows safety (or RB)... so let's end this charade and see if he's got some Bob or Barry Sanders in him.
He already has a position of success.. kick and punt returns.. Stop. do not pass go. do not collect 200$.
Keep him there and stop trying to make him somthing he is not!!!!!!!
We have other players that actaully PLAY those other positions.. They do not need to learn from scratch..
He already has a position of success.. kick and punt returns.. Stop. do not pass go. do not collect 200$.
Keep him there and stop trying to make him somthing he is not!!!!!!!
We have other players that actaully PLAY those other positions.. They do not need to learn from scratch..
Sure we have players, but not playmakers, and Cribbs has the opportunity to be one. With a team not talented enough to compete with Super Bowl hopefuls these are the types of adjustments that need to be made whether you like it or not.
Correct me if I'm wrong are you saying members of the secondary can't prosper as kick returners? Read up on Deion Sanders.
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No one converted Sanders to be a DB. Let alone try and convert him from QB, to WR, then now go throw him at saftey. If the guy can't learn WR, why would one ever think he can go learn to play a defensive position?
Masters said:
No one converted Sanders to be a DB. Let alone try and convert him from QB, to WR, then now go throw him at saftey. If the guy can't learn WR, why would one ever think he can go learn to play a defensive position?Listen you're throwing this discussion all over the place. I'm saying as of now we know Cribbs has an exceptional vision of the field, likes to hit people and is an explosive player. If you were to name those skill sets anyone would tell you those are fundamental assets for a safety.
If you think Brodney Pool or Mike Adams are sufficient for an unlikely playoff run than we'll have to agree to disagree.
Bottom line, all I'm saying is keep him at KR/PR or put him at safety or RB where the potential exceeds his current role.
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He already has a position of success.. kick and punt returns.. Stop. do not pass go. do not collect 200$.
Keep him there and stop trying to make him somthing he is not!!!!!!!
We have other players that actaully PLAY those other positions.. They do not need to learn from scratch..
Sure we have players, but not playmakers, and Cribbs has the opportunity to be one. With a team not talented enough to compete with Super Bowl hopefuls these are the types of adjustments that need to be made whether you like it or not.
Correct me if I'm wrong are you saying members of the secondary can't prosper as kick returners? Read up on Deion Sanders.
Sure we have players, but not playmakers, and Cribbs has the opportunity to be one. With a team not talented enough to compete with Super Bowl hopefuls these are the types of adjustments that need to be made whether you like it or not.
Correct me if I'm wrong are you saying members of the secondary can't prosper as kick returners? Read up on Deion Sanders.
Do you even read your own posts?? DEION SANDERS???? DEION SANDERS???????
Deion was the FIFTH overall pick in the draft.. UMMM as a cornerback.. He did also play special teams in college.. He knew both positions BEFORE he got to the nfl... Cribbs was an undrated free agent Quarterback... WOW>>> are you lost!!!!
EDIT>> by the way. he won the Jim Thorpe award for being the BEST defensive back in college and became the HIGHEST paid defensive player in the league...
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Of course he's clueless. He's NOT a WR, he's a guy learning to PLAY wide receiver.
Damn, give the guy a break and some time to develop. Although, he should be developing as a #3 or #4, IMO.
Of course he's clueless. He's NOT a WR, he's a guy learning to PLAY wide receiver.
Damn, give the guy a break and some time to develop. Although, he should be developing as a #3 or #4, IMO.
Doesn't anyone remember when Cribbs was a disaster returning punts? I'm pretty sure he's demonstrated an ability to learn new skills, if not master them in relatively short order. I'm just sayin'
-jj
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I say you start Zastudil at QB, line Cribbs up 40 yards behind Zastudil and have Zastudil take the snap, turn around and punt him the ball. He would score more TD's that way and we could end the QB debate...
I say you start Zastudil at QB, line Cribbs up 40 yards behind Zastudil and have Zastudil take the snap, turn around and punt him the ball. He would score more TD's that way and we could end the QB debate...
That would be such a hilarious play.
Line up in a type of punt formation, everyone drop back and form a wall for cribbs
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Of course he's clueless. He's NOT a WR, he's a guy learning to PLAY wide receiver.
Damn, give the guy a break and some time to develop. Although, he should be developing as a #3 or #4, IMO.
Doesn't anyone remember when Cribbs was a disaster returning punts? I'm pretty sure he's demonstrated an ability to learn new skills, if not master them in relatively short order. I'm just sayin'
-jj
Doesn't anyone remember when Cribbs was a disaster returning punts? I'm pretty sure he's demonstrated an ability to learn new skills, if not master them in relatively short order. I'm just sayin'
-jj
learning in SHORT ORDER???? Ummmm 4 years learning receiver...not quite mastered... not even average.. below average actually.. we need to let MoMass and Robiskie get on the field before him..
Cribbs is stunting their growth.
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Sure we have players, but not playmakers, and Cribbs has the opportunity to be one. With a team not talented enough to compete with Super Bowl hopefuls these are the types of adjustments that need to be made whether you like it or not.
Correct me if I'm wrong are you saying members of the secondary can't prosper as kick returners? Read up on Deion Sanders.
Do you even read your own posts?? DEION SANDERS???? DEION SANDERS???????
Deion was the FIFTH overall pick in the draft.. UMMM as a cornerback.. He did also play special teams in college.. He knew both positions BEFORE he got to the nfl... Cribbs was an undrated free agent Quarterback... WOW>>> are you lost!!!!
EDIT>> by the way. he won the Jim Thorpe award for being the BEST defensive back in college and became the HIGHEST paid defensive player in the league...
Do you even read your own posts?? DEION SANDERS???? DEION SANDERS???????
Deion was the FIFTH overall pick in the draft.. UMMM as a cornerback.. He did also play special teams in college.. He knew both positions BEFORE he got to the nfl... Cribbs was an undrated free agent Quarterback... WOW>>> are you lost!!!!
EDIT>> by the way. he won the Jim Thorpe award for being the BEST defensive back in college and became the HIGHEST paid defensive player in the league...
You flame me like I didn't know Deion was a CB in college, um untrue, next...
To slow it down a notch to get my point comprehended appropriately, here you go...
You claimed in a previous post that Cribbs was a good return specialist and that we should keep it that way, no real argument there, my ultimate point directed at you is this, if Mangini is so hellbent at finding another position for him lets see how he pans out in the defensive backfield. Why? Because if he evolves into a playmaker it shouldn't affect his return game (insert Deion comment). That position also utilizes his natural skill sets (insert previous comments).
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Doesn't anyone remember when Cribbs was a disaster returning punts? I'm pretty sure he's demonstrated an ability to learn new skills, if not master them in relatively short order. I'm just sayin'
-jj
learning in SHORT ORDER???? Ummmm 4 years learning receiver...not quite mastered... not even average.. below average actually.. we need to let MoMass and Robiskie get on the field before him..
Cribbs is stunting their growth.
learning in SHORT ORDER???? Ummmm 4 years learning receiver...not quite mastered... not even average.. below average actually.. we need to let MoMass and Robiskie get on the field before him..
Cribbs is stunting their growth.
Uh, well, actually he's only had the two games really. He was kind of a spot guy in a couple of personnel groups in previous seasons. I'm not really passionate on either side of this argument, but I like the idea of getting Cribbs the ball more frequently. I'm not sure he's a number 2... but you have to look at it this way, IF Cribbs can get this receiver stuff down, is he more valuable than either of the other two? I mean, is there more value in adding to Cribbs skill set or Robiskie's and Massaquoi's?
I can't say... but again... Cribbs is frequently the most explosive player on the field. I'm not sure if you coach up Brian Robiskie anyone ever uses those words to describe him.
Just my 2 cents.
-jj
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Doesn't anyone remember when Cribbs was a disaster returning punts? I'm pretty sure he's demonstrated an ability to learn new skills, if not master them in relatively short order. I'm just sayin'
-jj
learning in SHORT ORDER???? Ummmm 4 years learning receiver...not quite mastered... not even average.. below average actually.. we need to let MoMass and Robiskie get on the field before him..
Cribbs is stunting their growth.
learning in SHORT ORDER???? Ummmm 4 years learning receiver...not quite mastered... not even average.. below average actually.. we need to let MoMass and Robiskie get on the field before him..
Cribbs is stunting their growth.
I agree, Cribbs has special skill sets that help us out. But with him on the field at the #2 spot expect to see him taking a knee in the endzone more often so he can pace himself so he can contiue to run all of those broken routes.
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