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@tiamat63 No A. Thrash highlight film. But, thought you/others might enjoy this Steve Smith breakdown of Thrash speaking in your DB/WR language ..
ACC Sidenote..Smitty omits in video, a hand injury that may of lead to some drop totals in 2023 (not to excuse)
During the 2023 season, Thrash missed Louisville's game against Virginia Tech on Nov. 4 after breaking his hand and having surgery. However, it was the only game he missed with the injury and returned to the field. Thrash said that he saw the injury affect his game in the latter half of the season but found a way to fight through and still be a productive receiver.
I'll always listen to commentary from an NFL player - especially Smitty.
That said, I'm concerned about the overplaying and hype because of two reasons.
- Off corner play high and inside on most of these clips. From Ga Tech to Indy. This means two things - defenses respect speed. But they also don't respect your QB. I call those types of things "poker plays". And yes, there are "poker players" on the football field - Ed Reed is the best example you'll ever see. You're playing the man more than the hand.
- No re-route from corners when they turn Thrash over to the safety when they have help.
I'm not saying there isn't potential here, there is and I see the football I.Q. But JT's footwork, play strength (contested catch rate is awful) and he needs to clean up the drops. Hand injury not withstanding.
He's smooth out of his initial move from the LoS, but I'm curious how he'll respond to press, bump and more physical corners in the NFL. He also tends to lineup on one side of the formation A LOT. So it'll be quite the switch having to play across the entire pattern as he learns how to be a pro.
His 10 yard split is pretty average, but the top end gear is pretty damn good. But his route tree also doesn't look extensive either from what I've seen so far. Likely the Louisville offense and their designs for high percentage and YAC throws.
edit: Day 3 pick was spot on. That's where I would have had him had I watched pre-draft.
He has ability, but he needs time and coaching. Some of these knocks were the same one's we had on Corey Coleman. Only we spent the 15th overall on that asshole. Glad to see this front office isn't falling for similar tricks.
Some of these knocks were the same one's we had on Corey Coleman. Only we spent the 15th overall on that asshole. Glad to see this front office isn't falling for similar tricks.
Coleman was predicted to go in the 1st round. Thrash wasn't predicted anywhere near the 1st round. This front office would have to answer some major questions if they drafted this guy in rd 1.
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@tiamat63 No A. Thrash highlight film. But, thought you/others might enjoy this Steve Smith breakdown of Thrash speaking in your DB/WR language ..
ACC Sidenote..Smitty omits in video, a hand injury that may of lead to some drop totals in 2023 (not to excuse)
During the 2023 season, Thrash missed Louisville's game against Virginia Tech on Nov. 4 after breaking his hand and having surgery. However, it was the only game he missed with the injury and returned to the field. Thrash said that he saw the injury affect his game in the latter half of the season but found a way to fight through and still be a productive receiver.
I'll always listen to commentary from an NFL player - especially Smitty.
That said, I'm concerned about the overplaying and hype because of two reasons.
- Off corner play high and inside on most of these clips. From Ga Tech to Indy. This means two things - defenses respect speed. But they also don't respect your QB. I call those types of things "poker plays". And yes, there are "poker players" on the football field - Ed Reed is the best example you'll ever see. You're playing the man more than the hand.
- No re-route from corners when they turn Thrash over to the safety when they have help.
I'm not saying there isn't potential here, there is and I see the football I.Q. But JT's footwork, play strength (contested catch rate is awful) and he needs to clean up the drops. Hand injury not withstanding.
He's smooth out of his initial move from the LoS, but I'm curious how he'll respond to press, bump and more physical corners in the NFL. He also tends to lineup on one side of the formation A LOT. So it'll be quite the switch having to play across the entire pattern as he learns how to be a pro.
His 10 yard split is pretty average, but the top end gear is pretty damn good. But his route tree also doesn't look extensive either from what I've seen so far. Likely the Louisville offense and their designs for high percentage and YAC throws.
edit: Day 3 pick was spot on. That's where I would have had him had I watched pre-draft.
He has ability, but he needs time and coaching. Some of these knocks were the same one's we had on Corey Coleman. Only we spent the 15th overall on that asshole. Glad to see this front office isn't falling for similar tricks.
I'll always listen to commentary from an NFL player - especially Smitty.
That said, I'm concerned about the overplaying and hype because of two reasons.
- Off corner play high and inside on most of these clips. From Ga Tech to Indy. This means two things - defenses respect speed. But they also don't respect your QB. I call those types of things "poker plays". And yes, there are "poker players" on the football field - Ed Reed is the best example you'll ever see. You're playing the man more than the hand.
- No re-route from corners when they turn Thrash over to the safety when they have help.
I'm not saying there isn't potential here, there is and I see the football I.Q. But JT's footwork, play strength (contested catch rate is awful) and he needs to clean up the drops. Hand injury not withstanding.
He's smooth out of his initial move from the LoS, but I'm curious how he'll respond to press, bump and more physical corners in the NFL. He also tends to lineup on one side of the formation A LOT. So it'll be quite the switch having to play across the entire pattern as he learns how to be a pro.
His 10 yard split is pretty average, but the top end gear is pretty damn good. But his route tree also doesn't look extensive either from what I've seen so far. Likely the Louisville offense and their designs for high percentage and YAC throws.
edit: Day 3 pick was spot on. That's where I would have had him had I watched pre-draft.
He has ability, but he needs time and coaching. Some of these knocks were the same one's we had on Corey Coleman. Only we spent the 15th overall on that asshole. Glad to see this front office isn't falling for similar tricks.
When we draft guys - we need to project them into the division the Browns reside in. For example, nobody holds more than Joey Porter Jr (not even Emerson). When they flag him - it's usually early on in the game so they don't have to do it the rest of the day. Looks like Jamari needs to show the coaching staff he can catch the ball when he's well covered with a corner on his hip. That's showing up in a lot of scouting reports I'm seeing. I like Tia's point above about wanting to see how he responds to press coverage and physical corners. Not everybody can do this kind of thing. That's why a change of direction kind of guy would fit nicely somewhere on our perimeter. Back when we had Eric Metcalf, we were the ONLY team had no clue how good this guy would be lining up on the perimeter in space. For his next 2-3 teams, he excelled as Wide Receiver/Flanker/Slot and everything that didn't ask him to be Eric up the middle any more. Brian Brennan wasn't bad at change of direction either on that 86 team with 12 wins.
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I'll always listen to commentary from an NFL player - especially Smitty.
That said, I'm concerned about the overplaying and hype because of two reasons.
- Off corner play high and inside on most of these clips. From Ga Tech to Indy. This means two things - defenses respect speed. But they also don't respect your QB. I call those types of things "poker plays". And yes, there are "poker players" on the football field - Ed Reed is the best example you'll ever see. You're playing the man more than the hand.
- No re-route from corners when they turn Thrash over to the safety when they have help.
I'm not saying there isn't potential here, there is and I see the football I.Q. But JT's footwork, play strength (contested catch rate is awful) and he needs to clean up the drops. Hand injury not withstanding.
He's smooth out of his initial move from the LoS, but I'm curious how he'll respond to press, bump and more physical corners in the NFL. He also tends to lineup on one side of the formation A LOT. So it'll be quite the switch having to play across the entire pattern as he learns how to be a pro.
His 10 yard split is pretty average, but the top end gear is pretty damn good. But his route tree also doesn't look extensive either from what I've seen so far. Likely the Louisville offense and their designs for high percentage and YAC throws.
edit: Day 3 pick was spot on. That's where I would have had him had I watched pre-draft.
He has ability, but he needs time and coaching. Some of these knocks were the same one's we had on Corey Coleman. Only we spent the 15th overall on that asshole. Glad to see this front office isn't falling for similar tricks.
When we draft guys - we need to project them into the division the Browns reside in. For example, nobody holds more than Joey Porter Jr (not even Emerson). When they flag him - it's usually early on in the game so they don't have to do it the rest of the day. Looks like Jamari needs to show the coaching staff he can catch the ball when he's well covered with a corner on his hip. That's showing up in a lot of scouting reports I'm seeing. I like Tia's point above about wanting to see how he responds to press coverage and physical corners. Not everybody can do this kind of thing. That's why a change of direction kind of guy would fit nicely somewhere on our perimeter. Back when we had Eric Metcalf, we were the ONLY team had no clue how good this guy would be lining up on the perimeter in space. For his next 2-3 teams, he excelled as Wide Receiver/Flanker/Slot and everything that didn't ask him to be Eric up the middle any more. Brian Brennan wasn't bad at change of direction either on that 86 team with 12 wins.
......... Not everybody can do this kind of thing. That's why a change of direction kind of guy would fit nicely somewhere on our perimeter........
..... Back when we had Eric Metcalf, we were the ONLY team had no clue how good this guy would be lining up on the perimeter in space. For his next 2-3 teams, he excelled as Wide Receiver/Flanker/Slot and everything that didn't ask him to be Eric up the middle any more. Brian Brennan wasn't bad at change of direction either on that 86 team with 12 wins.
I agree, it might bring back a whole new and exciting brand of Cleveland BROWNS back on the field. With Joe Flacco's type of football gone they must still keep getting better in 2024.
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Some of these knocks were the same one's we had on Corey Coleman. Only we spent the 15th overall on that asshole. Glad to see this front office isn't falling for similar tricks.
Coleman was predicted to go in the 1st round. Thrash wasn't predicted anywhere near the 1st round. This front office would have to answer some major questions if they drafted this guy in rd 1.
Coleman was predicted to go in the 1st round. Thrash wasn't predicted anywhere near the 1st round.
Neither of those things negate the similarities in the short comings of their respective games.
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ok. Then you're saying that the Browns made a mistake in drafting him.
*blink*
The mistake is really in *where* players are drafted, not so much *if*.
Had the Browns put a 5th rounder into Manziel, you wouldn't have head much of a peep out of me. Instead, they decided to go full retard and put the #22 overall on the table. Invoking and deserving my full agitation.
Coleman was severely overvalued because their were front offices who felt his one great great trait (first step burst) overcame his several negative traits (hands, footwork, routes and post snap coverage reads).
That mistake wasn't repeated here with a large over-investment of draft capital in Trash. He was taken appropriately so the draft capital is balanced with the risk.
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ok. Then you're saying that the Browns made a mistake in drafting him.
*blink*
The mistake is really in *where* players are drafted, not so much *if*.
Had the Browns put a 5th rounder into Manziel, you wouldn't have head much of a peep out of me. Instead, they decided to go full retard and put the #22 overall on the table. Invoking and deserving my full agitation.
Coleman was severely overvalued because their were front offices who felt his one great great trait (first step burst) overcame his several negative traits (hands, footwork, routes and post snap coverage reads).
That mistake wasn't repeated here with a large over-investment of draft capital in Trash. He was taken appropriately so the draft capital is balanced with the risk.
That mistake wasn't repeated here with a large over-investment of draft capital in Trash. He was taken appropriately so the draft capital is balanced with the risk.
Damn... guy hasn't even played a down for us and you nickname him that? ?
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Damn... guy hasn't even played a down for us and you nickname him that? ?
You gotta earn the 'H' here, friend.
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Damn... guy hasn't even played a down for us and you nickname him that? ?
You gotta earn the 'H' here, friend.
You gotta earn the 'H' here, friend.
That's a keeper!
That's what they said to the poor guy in Rome that tried to replace Julius Caesar. They called him Mark Antony until the day he died...
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