Brady Quinn, be careful what you ask for
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"If he breaks out and beats Baltimore this week I will name my first born Quinn."
I want to see the birth cert.!!!!!
LOL
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Leading up to the season, all we heard on this board is Quinn this, Quinn that, Quinn for President, yadda damn yadda Brady yadda. Two games into his savior campaign, we're a dreadul 0-2 with nothing but bickering, lost hope, and folks bailing ship. Is BQ really that bad or is this an expected natural progression of a guy learning a system he will eventually thrive in (i.e. Peyton Manning or Troy Aikman? DA backers are loving this and leading the clammering to stick him back in already. Based on what we've seen thus far, would it necessarily be a bad idea or do we say the hell with the season in exchange for Quinn getting starter expereince? Bash DA all you want, but I guaran-f-in-tee Braylon Edwards would have found the endzone by now.
45 years and counting...
Leading up to the season, all we heard on this board is Quinn this, Quinn that, Quinn for President, yadda damn yadda Brady yadda. Two games into his savior campaign, we're a dreadul 0-2 with nothing but bickering, lost hope, and folks bailing ship. Is BQ really that bad or is this an expected natural progression of a guy learning a system he will eventually thrive in (i.e. Peyton Manning or Troy Aikman? DA backers are loving this and leading the clammering to stick him back in already. Based on what we've seen thus far, would it necessarily be a bad idea or do we say the hell with the season in exchange for Quinn getting starter expereince? Bash DA all you want, but I guaran-f-in-tee Braylon Edwards would have found the endzone by now.
45 years and counting...
You guarantee Braylon would have caught a TD pass by now...
Braylon Edwards stats 2008 (with Anderson throwing the ball)
http://www.nfl.com/players/braylonedwards/...amp;season=2008
Here is a hint. He didn't have a TD catch until GAME 4.
Braylon Edwards 2009:
http://www.nfl.com/players/braylonedwards/...amp;season=2009
Notice how he is averaging more yards per catch. He has surpassed in two games this season his total yards through 4 games last season.
So, really, maybe you should be more careful what you ask for.
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Zombo said:
He threw 21 TDs combined in the second half of 08 and 9 starts in 09.Quinn has 3 TDs in five starts.
Lifetime TD percentage: Anderson 4.2%, Quinn 1.8%
Quinn has been so bland, so bad, so Joey ... that even Shep won't show his face.
He gets one more start from me ... then I go full-blown Darkside if he isn't benched.
Zombo
--just not a patient fan anymore. Give me touchdowns, or give me death.
How about one more game and you stop bitching posting about Quinn.
Because no matter what you think, I guarantee he gets WAY more than one more game from the organization.
AdaM said:
How about one more game and you stop bitching posting about Quinn.Because no matter what you think, I guarantee he gets WAY more than one more game from the organization.
Last Quinn guarantee I saw was Inspecta's guarantee that Quinn would throw multiple TDs against Denver. Didn't happen. How many is "WAY"?
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This is exactly what I expected goin into this season I just expected more Quinn homers to stand by their man. I didnt like Quinns dink and dunk style and was the first to label him going into the season.
Dabol is a horrible OC but Quinn must be near sighted because he wont throw anything over 15 yards inbounds. Hes thrown 2 passes in this season that made me say maybe I was wrong about this guy but Im pretty sure this is what you get with Quinn. He has the potential to be Josh McNown and be a backup.
DA doesnt have a future with the browns but as I said in previous post he gives us a better chance to win and a more enjoyable game to watch. DA is a cock tease we know this but its better then a guy whos scared to take chances with sub par talent around him.
BE is only good for the jump ball and Cribbs isnt the Brad Smith Mangini had hoped him to be. If we keep Quinn in then we need to put the younsters in and admit our offense is rebuilding. Momass, Robo, and Davis should get as much PT as possible.
DA is better for the team in terms of potential wins and a financial stand point. If BQ stays in we cough up an extra 5 mil while we already paid DAs bonus.
This is going to be a completely different team next year. Mangini has to find "his guy" at QB,a real RB, BE wil most likely be franchised and dealt so we wont have any play maker recievers, our OL is finesse on the left and garbage on the right, and last but most importantly we need a vocal leader on D.
I think we can get our D leader in the draft with Brandon Spikes or maybe Eric Berry/Taylor Mays in the first round but the rest will take some savvy by the front office.
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We have seen.... I don't know ....20 or so QB's come through here since the return.. several seasons have seen 6 or 7 just within a single season.. I wanted quinn.. I still want quinn... I want to give him time... he deserves it... the team deserves it, we, and all the rest of the team deserve it... I believe.. if we leave him in there... he will show us why we drafted him... I believe in this kid.. We already know that DA can WOW you with the big arm and make you want to hang yourself with his stupid decisions... I have not seen Quinn make the Stupid decisions yet... He has not wowed us yet either... But I am willing to let him play it out. This team is not going to the playoffs this year.. so we lose nothing by leaving him in there and letting him learn... If we pull him out now... we stunt his growth and possibly the future of the team... If he plays out the season and sucks... well then we know.. but we have to ride it out..
Knee jerk/ panic reactions are not going to help this team get better. So YES i asked for quinn and I am still happy that I did.
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We have seen.... I don't know ....20 or so QB's come through here since the return.. several seasons have seen 6 or 7 just within a single season.. I wanted quinn.. I still want quinn... I want to give him time... he deserves it... the team deserves it, we, and all the rest of the team deserve it... I believe.. if we leave him in there... he will show us why we drafted him... I believe in this kid.. We already know that DA can WOW you with the big arm and make you want to hang yourself with his stupid decisions... I have not seen Quinn make the Stupid decisions yet... He has not wowed us yet either... But I am willing to let him play it out. This team is not going to the playoffs this year.. so we lose nothing by leaving him in there and letting him learn... If we pull him out now... we stunt his growth and possibly the future of the team... If he plays out the season and sucks... well then we know.. but we have to ride it out..
Knee jerk/ panic reactions are not going to help this team get better. So YES i asked for quinn and I am still happy that I did.
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I really cant say anything about the QB situation that hasn't been stated before. I just think its too early in the season to make any drastic decisions like pulling BQ out already. Its only been two games, in a long season lets face it were still only two games out and taking on the division leader this Sunday. One thing this offense needs in consistency and continuity and you don't get that by having a carousel at QB position. It would be the whole Couch/Holcomb fiasco all over again. Mangini has made his decision that Quinn is the starter. I, as the eternal optimist, just hope that season gets better before it gets worse.
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Quinn will get his time but if he doesnt show promise by the trade deadline hes either on the bench or on a new team. Plain and simple if Quinn isnt the starter for the future and still remains on the team after the deadline the GM needs to be fired. No way can we take on a 5 mil bonus just for sh*ts and giggles.
My opinions tend to be unpopular I know but look at the bright side, all the Ohio homers might have a chance to have Tony Pike on the roster next year. (who is better the Brady Quinn)
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how quickly you all forget how horrendous DA was in the last year and a half.
he went from the best thing we've seen since we came back, to the last thing we wanted to see, in about 8 games.
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Quinn will get his time but if he doesnt show promise by the trade deadline hes either on the bench or on a new team. Plain and simple if Quinn isnt the starter for the future and still remains on the team after the deadline the GM needs to be fired. No way can we take on a 5 mil bonus just for sh*ts and giggles.
My opinions tend to be unpopular I know but look at the bright side, all the Ohio homers might have a chance to have Tony Pike on the roster next year. (who is better the Brady Quinn)
Quinn will get his time but if he doesnt show promise by the trade deadline hes either on the bench or on a new team. Plain and simple if Quinn isnt the starter for the future and still remains on the team after the deadline the GM needs to be fired. No way can we take on a 5 mil bonus just for sh*ts and giggles.
My opinions tend to be unpopular I know but look at the bright side, all the Ohio homers might have a chance to have Tony Pike on the roster next year. (who is better the Brady Quinn)
I'm glad you have George and Mangini's ears. Do they also come to you for drafting advice, and how best to build team unity?
It's not that your opinions are unpopular. They are just xxxxing stupid - that's what makes them 'unpopular'.
This has nothing to do with Quinn being an Ohio boy. Charlie Frye was an 'Ohio Boy', too, and most of us couldn't wait until he was gone. Kind of pokes all kinds of holes in your theory that we like him because he's from Ohio.
We like him because he's NOT Derek Anderson. If he turns out to be another Charlie Frye, Tim Couch, or whatever suck QB we've had, we won't like him either.
I'm not sure why wanting to see someone play when the guys before him have sucked started making people 'fags'. I always thought it made them astute football people for not wanting to continue with the suck after a guy has been given TWENTY-SEVEN games and shown no progression.
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Quinn will get his time but if he doesnt show promise by the trade deadline hes either on the bench or on a new team. Plain and simple if Quinn isnt the starter for the future and still remains on the team after the deadline the GM needs to be fired. No way can we take on a 5 mil bonus just for sh*ts and giggles.
My opinions tend to be unpopular I know but look at the bright side, all the Ohio homers might have a chance to have Tony Pike on the roster next year. (who is better the Brady Quinn)
Quinn will get his time but if he doesnt show promise by the trade deadline hes either on the bench or on a new team. Plain and simple if Quinn isnt the starter for the future and still remains on the team after the deadline the GM needs to be fired. No way can we take on a 5 mil bonus just for sh*ts and giggles.
My opinions tend to be unpopular I know but look at the bright side, all the Ohio homers might have a chance to have Tony Pike on the roster next year. (who is better the Brady Quinn)
I'm glad you have George and Mangini's ears. Do they also come to you for drafting advice, and how best to build team unity?
It's not that your opinions are unpopular. They are just xxxxing stupid - that's what makes them 'unpopular'.
This has nothing to do with Quinn being an Ohio boy. Charlie Frye was an 'Ohio Boy', too, and most of us couldn't wait until he was gone. Kind of pokes all kinds of holes in your theory that we like him because he's from Ohio.
We like him because he's NOT Derek Anderson. If he turns out to be another Charlie Frye, Tim Couch, or whatever suck QB we've had, we won't like him either.
I'm not sure why wanting to see someone play when the guys before him have sucked started making people 'fags'. I always thought it made them astute football people for not wanting to continue with the suck after a guy has been given TWENTY-SEVEN games and shown no progression.
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Um...those of us asking for Quinn knew what we were asking for:
A brand new starter in an offense full of brand new starters with a brand new coordinator.
Look, people can spin it all they want, those are the facts. It's going to be ugly and it's just plain ridiculous to judge the brand new starter based on two games.
That being said, I'd like to see more positive plays but the QB only gets so much leeway in that department. Until or unless Mangini and/or Daboll actually try to run something downfield for him, we simply won't be able to tell if he's the problem or if the offense is the problem.
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Zombo said:
That's where I was circa 2004, 2005, 2006 ... Mr. Patient.I think 2007 awoke me to the fact this Browns fandom is actually supposed to be fun. Now we are back to miserable and I miss fun.
Put Horseballs in there and air it out, I don't care if he gets picked, at least we lose with some balls and not this "whatsinDabolbitch" dink and dunk nightmare of an offense.
Zombo
--Great to see you ... rustle up those other two knuckleheads, will ya?
Yeah, I get impatience, but I don't get wishing to lose over trying to win.
At least you admit that by putting DA in you're cheering for the car wreck and you know it's coming.
Me? I'd rather actually try to win the game, in whatever form that takes. I've seen plenty of DA, thanks.
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"Bash DA all you want, but I guaran-f-in-tee Braylon Edwards would have found the endzone by now."
He'd also have 3-4 int's right now with 1-2 pick 6's.
Anyways, just wondering why all the guys wanting to bench Quinn after two games (yes, two, not 5...a new HC and OC and new system) weren't wanting to bench DA after what 11 games in a row that were mostly pisspoor? Why do you have such a short leash on Quinn when you kept giving DA 5, 6, 11, 23 games or something like that to prove he's a backup QB in the NFL?
DA got his 20+ games...Quinn should get the same treatment.
If you want to blame ANYONE...blame Daboll and St. Clair! Quinn runs the plays the OC calls....well tries to run them if he's not running for his life cuz St. Clair let another guy go by him.
"Bash DA all you want, but I guaran-f-in-tee Braylon Edwards would have found the endzone by now."
He'd also have 3-4 int's right now with 1-2 pick 6's.
Anyways, just wondering why all the guys wanting to bench Quinn after two games (yes, two, not 5...a new HC and OC and new system) weren't wanting to bench DA after what 11 games in a row that were mostly pisspoor? Why do you have such a short leash on Quinn when you kept giving DA 5, 6, 11, 23 games or something like that to prove he's a backup QB in the NFL?
DA got his 20+ games...Quinn should get the same treatment.
If you want to blame ANYONE...blame Daboll and St. Clair! Quinn runs the plays the OC calls....well tries to run them if he's not running for his life cuz St. Clair let another guy go by him.
And what do you base the assumption that DA would have 3 - 4 interceptions with 1 - 2 pick 6's? Is it that he averages 1.29 turnovers a game (that is not 3 or 4 interceptions) not the 2.0 turnovers we currently are getting? I made a really long post in a few places that showed DA's and BQ's career (so far) interception and TD rates. Basically DA is about twice as likely to throw a TD as BQ and they have very similar interception rates per game, though DA's is slightly higher but not by allot.
DA got a leash because he actually played well when he became the starter. So far BQ has not played well. Do you really think that if DA started 2007 with back to back games like BQ has played that not everybody would be calling for his head?
BQ is getting the same treatment that DA got when he started to play bad. When BQ starts to play well then he will also get the same praise (even more I am sure) as DA got in the first half of 2007.
Until BQ plays well why would you expect anybody to do anything but attack him. That is what we all did to DA, when you play bad as the QB you get attacked. Maybe DA got a little more of a break but that is because he actually won games and started off playing well.
And as far as blaming the OC, then it was not DA's fault? It was Chuds fault. Great to know, then that means that when DA played well it was inspite of Chud but when he failed it was because of Chud. That is just so great to know.
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Quinn will get his time but if he doesnt show promise by the trade deadline hes either on the bench or on a new team. Plain and simple if Quinn isnt the starter for the future and still remains on the team after the deadline the GM needs to be fired. No way can we take on a 5 mil bonus just for sh*ts and giggles.
My opinions tend to be unpopular I know but look at the bright side, all the Ohio homers might have a chance to have Tony Pike on the roster next year. (who is better the Brady Quinn)
Quinn will get his time but if he doesnt show promise by the trade deadline hes either on the bench or on a new team. Plain and simple if Quinn isnt the starter for the future and still remains on the team after the deadline the GM needs to be fired. No way can we take on a 5 mil bonus just for sh*ts and giggles.
My opinions tend to be unpopular I know but look at the bright side, all the Ohio homers might have a chance to have Tony Pike on the roster next year. (who is better the Brady Quinn)
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"Bash DA all you want, but I guaran-f-in-tee Braylon Edwards would have found the endzone by now."
He'd also have 3-4 int's right now with 1-2 pick 6's.
Anyways, just wondering why all the guys wanting to bench Quinn after two games (yes, two, not 5...a new HC and OC and new system) weren't wanting to bench DA after what 11 games in a row that were mostly pisspoor? Why do you have such a short leash on Quinn when you kept giving DA 5, 6, 11, 23 games or something like that to prove he's a backup QB in the NFL?
DA got his 20+ games...Quinn should get the same treatment.
If you want to blame ANYONE...blame Daboll and St. Clair! Quinn runs the plays the OC calls....well tries to run them if he's not running for his life cuz St. Clair let another guy go by him.
And what do you base the assumption that DA would have 3 - 4 interceptions with 1 - 2 pick 6's? Is it that he averages 1.29 turnovers a game (that is not 3 or 4 interceptions) not the 2.0 turnovers we currently are getting? I made a really long post in a few places that showed DA's and BQ's career (so far) interception and TD rates. Basically DA is about twice as likely to throw a TD as BQ and they have very similar interception rates per game, though DA's is slightly higher but not by allot.
DA got a leash because he actually played well when he became the starter. So far BQ has not played well. Do you really think that if DA started 2007 with back to back games like BQ has played that not everybody would be calling for his head?
BQ is getting the same treatment that DA got when he started to play bad. When BQ starts to play well then he will also get the same praise (even more I am sure) as DA got in the first half of 2007.
Until BQ plays well why would you expect anybody to do anything but attack him. That is what we all did to DA, when you play bad as the QB you get attacked. Maybe DA got a little more of a break but that is because he actually won games and started off playing well.
And as far as blaming the OC, then it was not DA's fault? It was Chuds fault. Great to know, then that means that when DA played well it was inspite of Chud but when he failed it was because of Chud. That is just so great to know.
And what do you base the assumption that DA would have 3 - 4 interceptions with 1 - 2 pick 6's? Is it that he averages 1.29 turnovers a game (that is not 3 or 4 interceptions) not the 2.0 turnovers we currently are getting? I made a really long post in a few places that showed DA's and BQ's career (so far) interception and TD rates. Basically DA is about twice as likely to throw a TD as BQ and they have very similar interception rates per game, though DA's is slightly higher but not by allot.
How can you seriously compare BQ's 5 starts (3 healthy) to DA's 25+?
It's ridiculous how far the QB discussion has devolved and to what extent people will dissect the numbers to make their case.
I'm so over it. The bottom line remains unchanged:
DA failed as a starter. BQ has yet to show he's any better.
That's the whole pathetic story. Enough with the stat massaging already.
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Zombo said:
I think Anderson gives us a better chance to win football games right now.
Zombo
Zombo (and others)...I understand your position, I really do.
But this is the question I have...do you believe DA is the franchise QB of the future of the Browns? (I can't remember everyones thoughts on this.)
If YES, then by all means, play Quinn a couple more times and then get ready to trade him.
If NO, then all you are settling for is a 'couple of wins'. And that seems kinda weird. I was under the impression we wanted a long term, consistenty well performing team. If DA isn't going to give that to us (and maybe neither is Quinn, I still think it's too soon to tell) why should we just settle for a couple of wins? Just so we can say "HA! we got one" or so we don't look as bad as Detroit last year?
Personally, I'd rather give up some wins now if it means the long term goal is the consistent well-performing team. One that has the longevity, cohesiveness, and continuity to get us in the top every single stinkin' year! lol
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All that matters (again, remember Lum's sage counsel from last year) is what the staff thinks.
They disagree with Z: they feel Quinn gives us the best chance.
There's probably a little bit of "who has the higher ceiling" in there too, but that would further support their belief in Quinn and/or feeling that DA's ceiling is sufficient. Either way, its hardly an endorsement of DA. (i.e., the entire point of let's hope Quinn is the real deal because the staff has essentially told us that DA isn't.)
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same age with a bigger arm, a quicker release, that has already won games for us
How did this guy lose his starting job? Seriously, I'd be curious for the "bring in DA now" crew's opinion. You must REALLY be worried about our head coach considering in your opinion he completely and utterly failed in selecting the right starting QB.
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