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  • Mr. T Mr. TM
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    Mr. TM Mr. T wrote on last edited by
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    Instant Defense

    Sorry, but Mays couldn't hold this kids jock strap!

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      Here's to 2-14 so we can get em!

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      • Mr. T Mr. TM
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        Mr. TM Mr. T wrote on last edited by
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        Not to mention, did someone say? Heisman?

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          If we could get this guy it would be worth one more crap season.

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          • Mr. T Mr. TM
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            Mr. TM Mr. T wrote on last edited by
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            I would rather have a winning season then trade DA or BE for a better pick.

            I know I am dreaming.

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              <<< James Eric Berry (born December 29, 1988 in Fairburn, Georgia), nicknamed “The Fifth Dimension”[1][2] is an American football defensive back currently playing for the Tennessee Volunteers. A true freshman for the 2007 Tennessee Volunteers football team, Berry made his first appearance at nickleback against California before being named as starting safety in the following game against Southern Miss.[3] Since then he has started every single game of his college career at strong safety. He has never missed a single defensive snap or ever been flagged for a penalty thus far in his career.

              Eric Berry was named the SEC Freshmen Defensive Player of the Year and was a unanimous Freshmen All-American. As a sophomore he as named the SEC Defensive Player of the Year and a 2008 Consensus 1st Team All-America. He currently leads all NCAA players in Interceptions, Interceptions per game, Interception return yards, and Interception Touchdowns. >>>

              I'd like to see more Big Hits from this kid, especially in run support up at or near the line of scrimmage. He has the ball Hawk capability, and looks to have great balance and has shown some big hits, but I think I'd rather have my Strong Safeties Highlight reel filled with bone crushing smashes than Interceptions (especially ones thrown right to him).

              Looks good though, definately worth keeping an eye on among the draft board

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                <<< James Eric Berry (born December 29, 1988 in Fairburn, Georgia), nicknamed “The Fifth Dimension”[1][2] is an American football defensive back currently playing for the Tennessee Volunteers. A true freshman for the 2007 Tennessee Volunteers football team, Berry made his first appearance at nickleback against California before being named as starting safety in the following game against Southern Miss.[3] Since then he has started every single game of his college career at strong safety. He has never missed a single defensive snap or ever been flagged for a penalty thus far in his career.

                Eric Berry was named the SEC Freshmen Defensive Player of the Year and was a unanimous Freshmen All-American. As a sophomore he as named the SEC Defensive Player of the Year and a 2008 Consensus 1st Team All-America. He currently leads all NCAA players in Interceptions, Interceptions per game, Interception return yards, and Interception Touchdowns. >>>

                I'd like to see more Big Hits from this kid, especially in run support up at or near the line of scrimmage. He has the ball Hawk capability, and looks to have great balance and has shown some big hits, but I think I'd rather have my Strong Safeties Highlight reel filled with bone crushing smashes than Interceptions (especially ones thrown right to him).

                Looks good though, definately worth keeping an eye on among the draft board

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                B BernietheKid wrote on last edited by BernietheKid
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                @atenears said:

                <<< James Eric Berry (born December 29, 1988 in Fairburn, Georgia), nicknamed “The Fifth Dimension”[1][2] is an American football defensive back currently playing for the Tennessee Volunteers. A true freshman for the 2007 Tennessee Volunteers football team, Berry made his first appearance at nickleback against California before being named as starting safety in the following game against Southern Miss.[3] Since then he has started every single game of his college career at strong safety. He has never missed a single defensive snap or ever been flagged for a penalty thus far in his career.

                Eric Berry was named the SEC Freshmen Defensive Player of the Year and was a unanimous Freshmen All-American. As a sophomore he as named the SEC Defensive Player of the Year and a 2008 Consensus 1st Team All-America. He currently leads all NCAA players in Interceptions, Interceptions per game, Interception return yards, and Interception Touchdowns. >>>

                I'd like to see more Big Hits from this kid, especially in run support up at or near the line of scrimmage. He has the ball Hawk capability, and looks to have great balance and has shown some big hits, but I think I'd rather have my Strong Safeties Highlight reel filled with bone crushing smashes than Interceptions (especially ones thrown right to him).

                Looks good though, definately worth keeping an eye on among the draft board

                What makes you think he will play SS? We already have one of those in Abe Elam.

                Here is the difference between a SS and FS. Per Wikipedia

                Strong safety- The strong safety has a lot of responsibility on the defensive side of the ball. The strong safety tends to be a bit larger and stronger than the free safety, however the word "strong" is used because he is tasked to handle the "strong side" of the offense, the side where the tight end lines up. The strong safety tends to play closer to the line and assist in stopping the run. He may also be responsible for covering a player, such as a running back or fullback or h-back, who goes in motion in the backfield and then out for a pass. A strong safety's duties are somewhere in between those of a linebacker and those of the other defensive back, in that he can both cover the pass and stop the run.

                Free safety- The free safety tends to be smaller and faster than the strong safety. His job tends to be to stay back a bit, watch the play unfold, and follow the ball. On pass plays, the free safety is expected to close down the receiver by the time the ball gets to him. Offenses tend to use the play action pass specifically to make the free safety expect a run play, which would draw him closer to the line of scrimmage, and reduce his effectiveness as a pass defender. If the offense puts a receiver in the slot, then the free safety may be called upon to cover that receiver. Free safeties occasionally blitz as well. When this happens, the pressure is often very severe since a blitz by a defensive back is not usually anticipated.

                I'd rather see more of a ballhawk in our secondary.

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                  @atenears said:

                  <<< James Eric Berry (born December 29, 1988 in Fairburn, Georgia), nicknamed “The Fifth Dimension”[1][2] is an American football defensive back currently playing for the Tennessee Volunteers. A true freshman for the 2007 Tennessee Volunteers football team, Berry made his first appearance at nickleback against California before being named as starting safety in the following game against Southern Miss.[3] Since then he has started every single game of his college career at strong safety. He has never missed a single defensive snap or ever been flagged for a penalty thus far in his career.

                  Eric Berry was named the SEC Freshmen Defensive Player of the Year and was a unanimous Freshmen All-American. As a sophomore he as named the SEC Defensive Player of the Year and a 2008 Consensus 1st Team All-America. He currently leads all NCAA players in Interceptions, Interceptions per game, Interception return yards, and Interception Touchdowns. >>>

                  I'd like to see more Big Hits from this kid, especially in run support up at or near the line of scrimmage. He has the ball Hawk capability, and looks to have great balance and has shown some big hits, but I think I'd rather have my Strong Safeties Highlight reel filled with bone crushing smashes than Interceptions (especially ones thrown right to him).

                  Looks good though, definately worth keeping an eye on among the draft board

                  What makes you think he will play SS? We already have one of those in Abe Elam.

                  Here is the difference between a SS and FS. Per Wikipedia

                  Strong safety- The strong safety has a lot of responsibility on the defensive side of the ball. The strong safety tends to be a bit larger and stronger than the free safety, however the word "strong" is used because he is tasked to handle the "strong side" of the offense, the side where the tight end lines up. The strong safety tends to play closer to the line and assist in stopping the run. He may also be responsible for covering a player, such as a running back or fullback or h-back, who goes in motion in the backfield and then out for a pass. A strong safety's duties are somewhere in between those of a linebacker and those of the other defensive back, in that he can both cover the pass and stop the run.

                  Free safety- The free safety tends to be smaller and faster than the strong safety. His job tends to be to stay back a bit, watch the play unfold, and follow the ball. On pass plays, the free safety is expected to close down the receiver by the time the ball gets to him. Offenses tend to use the play action pass specifically to make the free safety expect a run play, which would draw him closer to the line of scrimmage, and reduce his effectiveness as a pass defender. If the offense puts a receiver in the slot, then the free safety may be called upon to cover that receiver. Free safeties occasionally blitz as well. When this happens, the pressure is often very severe since a blitz by a defensive back is not usually anticipated.

                  I'd rather see more of a ballhawk in our secondary.

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                  ATENEARSA ATENEARS wrote on last edited by ATENEARS
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                  @berniethekid said:

                  I rather see more of a ballhawk in our secondary.

                  Not me, I'd rather see someone be the enforcer over the middle, used on blitz to take a QB's head off, come out of our secondary to drop ball carriers for a loss and blow up any gimick play thrown at us.

                  I want to see a heat seeking missile ... a stalker that seems to be EVERYWHERE run or pass. A guy who you look at your buddy sitting next to and say, "Are there more than one #14's out there!?!?!"

                  Those guys are harder to find than a ball hawk, who could be an aging veteran CB converted to FS.

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                    @berniethekid said:

                    I rather see more of a ballhawk in our secondary.

                    Not me, I'd rather see someone be the enforcer over the middle, used on blitz to take a QB's head off, come out of our secondary to drop ball carriers for a loss and blow up any gimick play thrown at us.

                    I want to see a heat seeking missile ... a stalker that seems to be EVERYWHERE run or pass. A guy who you look at your buddy sitting next to and say, "Are there more than one #14's out there!?!?!"

                    Those guys are harder to find than a ball hawk, who could be an aging veteran CB converted to FS.

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                    B BernietheKid wrote on last edited by
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                    @atenears said:

                    Not me, I'd rather see someone be the enforcer over the middle, used on blitz to take a QB's head off, come out of our secondary to drop ball carriers for a loss and blow up any gimick play thrown at us.

                    I want to see a heat seeking missile ... a stalker that seems to be EVERYWHERE run or pass. A guy who you look at your buddy sitting next to and say, "Are there more than one #14's out there!?!?!"

                    Those guys are harder to find than a ball hawk, who could be an aging veteran CB converted to FS.

                    Well it's a matter of personal opinion and we don't have either.

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                      ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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                      I have been watching Berry since his Freshman year...and as i have said numerous times....he is the top defensive player in the draft and may very well be the best player in the draft. No way he falls outside of the top 5 picks.

                      He will be a 10 time pro bowl player in the NFL assuming he doesn't get hurt or he joins some cult.

                      If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                      • Mr. TM Mr. T

                        Instant Defense

                        Sorry, but Mays couldn't hold this kids jock strap!

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                        J Jason J wrote on last edited by
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                        @mr.-t said:

                        Instant Defense

                        Sorry, but Mays couldn't hold this kids jock strap!

                        Yeah, Mays reminds me of someone in the Thomas Davis/Darnell Bing mold. I think there will be an urge to make him a linebacker. Berry is an NFL ready safety. I always love trends... and you can look at the teams that are consistent winners, then look at the league's dominant safeties. Conveniently, they're almost the same list. No other position, including quarterback has a better correlation to wins.

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                        • ATENEARSA ATENEARS

                          @berniethekid said:

                          I rather see more of a ballhawk in our secondary.

                          Not me, I'd rather see someone be the enforcer over the middle, used on blitz to take a QB's head off, come out of our secondary to drop ball carriers for a loss and blow up any gimick play thrown at us.

                          I want to see a heat seeking missile ... a stalker that seems to be EVERYWHERE run or pass. A guy who you look at your buddy sitting next to and say, "Are there more than one #14's out there!?!?!"

                          Those guys are harder to find than a ball hawk, who could be an aging veteran CB converted to FS.

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                          @atenears said:

                          I want to see a heat seeking missile ... a stalker that seems to be EVERYWHERE run or pass. A guy who you look at your buddy sitting next to and say, "Are there more than one #14's out there!?!?!"

                          Well, here's what Berry did last week:

                          Seems to fit your description pretty well.

                          Berry's an uber-elite safety prospect, as well a great student of the game and leader in the locker room:

                          Berry's game prep is second to noneHe's worthy of a top five pick. The only way he isn't my #1 prospect is if someone else seriously ups their game.
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                            GipsG Gips wrote on last edited by
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                            Like every other regime since 1999 Mangooni isnt smart enough to take a potential shutdown safety...you guys ought to quit dreaming of such awesome things because you know its not ever gona happen...😉 hehehehe

                            We have been rebuilding since 1964, Why stop now? GO BROWNS!
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                            • Mr. T Mr. TM
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                              Mr. TM Mr. T wrote on last edited by
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                              This guy is equivalent to an Adrian Peterson on defense.

                              Thanks for the VID, Alo. 😎

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                                @atenears said:

                                I want to see a heat seeking missile ... a stalker that seems to be EVERYWHERE run or pass. A guy who you look at your buddy sitting next to and say, "Are there more than one #14's out there!?!?!"

                                Well, here's what Berry did last week:

                                Seems to fit your description pretty well.

                                Berry's an uber-elite safety prospect, as well a great student of the game and leader in the locker room:

                                Berry's game prep is second to noneHe's worthy of a top five pick. The only way he isn't my #1 prospect is if someone else seriously ups their game.
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                                @alo said:

                                Seems to fit your description pretty well.

                                Yes he does.

                                Thanks for the video, good stuff.

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                                  <<< James Eric Berry (born December 29, 1988 in Fairburn, Georgia), nicknamed “The Fifth Dimension”[1][2] is an American football defensive back currently playing for the Tennessee Volunteers. A true freshman for the 2007 Tennessee Volunteers football team, Berry made his first appearance at nickleback against California before being named as starting safety in the following game against Southern Miss.[3] Since then he has started every single game of his college career at strong safety. He has never missed a single defensive snap or ever been flagged for a penalty thus far in his career.

                                  Eric Berry was named the SEC Freshmen Defensive Player of the Year and was a unanimous Freshmen All-American. As a sophomore he as named the SEC Defensive Player of the Year and a 2008 Consensus 1st Team All-America. He currently leads all NCAA players in Interceptions, Interceptions per game, Interception return yards, and Interception Touchdowns. >>>

                                  I'd like to see more Big Hits from this kid, especially in run support up at or near the line of scrimmage. He has the ball Hawk capability, and looks to have great balance and has shown some big hits, but I think I'd rather have my Strong Safeties Highlight reel filled with bone crushing smashes than Interceptions (especially ones thrown right to him).

                                  Looks good though, definately worth keeping an eye on among the draft board

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                                  ATENEARSA ATENEARS wrote on last edited by
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                                  @atenears said:

                                  <<< He has never missed a single defensive snap or ever been flagged for a penalty thus far in his career.

                                  Dyrability is a huge key at this position too. How many decent tackling DB's have we had go out with injuries from tackling big backs? Concusions and shoulder/head/neck injuries.

                                  I like this kids balance and read somewhere about a killer work ethic and continuly trying to work harder or work-out longer and get in the best shape he can.

                                  Again, I love his balance, the kid looks so in control.

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                                    L lambdo wrote on last edited by
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                                    I agree that he's the best defensive player in NCAA, but its going to be a long 15 more weeks if we are able to get him..

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                                      @alo said:

                                      Seems to fit your description pretty well.

                                      Yes he does.

                                      Thanks for the video, good stuff.

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                                      A Alo wrote on last edited by Alo
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                                      @atenears said:

                                      Yes he does.

                                      Thanks for the video, good stuff.

                                      Probably the best argument against Berry - and it's not one that I buy - is that the 2010 safety class will be so talented that the Browns would be better off drafting another position first and getting a safety in Round 2.

                                      Or even later in the draft: if you're looking for a true headhunting, every hit causes three concussions type of safety, Oregon's T.J. Ward is a guy to watch out for.

                                      He's insane. Unfortunately, he's also got a Winslow-esque bad knee. Whatever team drafts him will hope it's more like Channing Crowder's situation: something that needs to be monitored but doesn't really affect his play.

                                      Ward's also a bit too aggressive at times, biting on play action and getting beat deep. But I thought he played better last year than Pat Chung, a guy the Pats picked at the top of the 2nd round.

                                      He's missed the past two games due to an ankle injury, but he may return this week vs. Cal. He'll be looking to make Jahvid Best look bad one more time:

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                                        Mr. TM Mr. T wrote on last edited by
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                                        If you have a player of this caliber and with the opportunity to draft him, you better get him.

                                        Why go after a scud when you can have the real thing.

                                        We have not had a hard hitting safety since Brian Russell left.

                                        These guys are rare and can make your defense so much better.

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                                          Alo, GOOD TO SEE YOU! 🙂

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