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  • @syd said:

    so including his bonus that is 230 million guaranteed just 10 less than Watson

    The deal is guaranteed money for QB's is bogus.  None of those guys are going to get cut from their contracts. They will earn the whole contract.

    @ballpeen said:

    The deal is guaranteed money for QB's is bogus.  None of those guys are going to get cut from their contracts. They will earn the whole contract.

    ...and how it can set a franchise back.

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    @ballpeen said:

    The deal is guaranteed money for QB's is bogus.  None of those guys are going to get cut from their contracts. They will earn the whole contract.

    ...and how it can set a franchise back.

    @ap1 said:

    ...and how it can set a franchise back.

    Well, yeah...if you do it the way we did it.  Or the Rams did it.  But if he was your draft pick you're going to have to sign him with big guaranteed money before or when his rookie contract is up....if you want to keep him.  We, of course, had to throw in three 1st round picks, which we're just now crawling out from under.

  • @ap1 said:

    ...and how it can set a franchise back.

    Well, yeah...if you do it the way we did it.  Or the Rams did it.  But if he was your draft pick you're going to have to sign him with big guaranteed money before or when his rookie contract is up....if you want to keep him.  We, of course, had to throw in three 1st round picks, which we're just now crawling out from under.

    @orion said:

    Well, yeah...if you do it the way we did it.  Or the Rams did it.  But if he was your draft pick you're going to have to sign him with big guaranteed money before or when his rookie contract is up....if you want to keep him.  We, of course, had to throw in three 1st round picks, which we're just now crawling out from under.

    Choose your poison...

    Money or Money and Draft Picks!!

  • @ap1 said:

    ...and how it can set a franchise back.

    Well, yeah...if you do it the way we did it.  Or the Rams did it.  But if he was your draft pick you're going to have to sign him with big guaranteed money before or when his rookie contract is up....if you want to keep him.  We, of course, had to throw in three 1st round picks, which we're just now crawling out from under.

    @orion said:

    Well, yeah...if you do it the way we did it.  Or the Rams did it.  But if he was your draft pick you're going to have to sign him with big guaranteed money before or when his rookie contract is up....if you want to keep him.  We, of course, had to throw in three 1st round picks, which we're just now crawling out from under.

    I suppose there is no way of knowing, and it might still be a year or two away from showing, but have we really missed the picks?  No doubt at least one of them would have been on a QB.  I think we have gotten enough value out of JOK, Dewand, and possibly Hall that we mitigated the loss of the 1st rounders.  That isn't even counting that Watson may finally be ready to be a very good QB at minimum.

  • @orion said:

    Well, yeah...if you do it the way we did it.  Or the Rams did it.  But if he was your draft pick you're going to have to sign him with big guaranteed money before or when his rookie contract is up....if you want to keep him.  We, of course, had to throw in three 1st round picks, which we're just now crawling out from under.

    I suppose there is no way of knowing, and it might still be a year or two away from showing, but have we really missed the picks?  No doubt at least one of them would have been on a QB.  I think we have gotten enough value out of JOK, Dewand, and possibly Hall that we mitigated the loss of the 1st rounders.  That isn't even counting that Watson may finally be ready to be a very good QB at minimum.

    @ballpeen said:

    Have we really missed the picks? 

    Very fair question. 

    Doesn't necessarily answer who was missed, but this is exactly what the Texans did with each pick.

    Texans' Draft Picks from the Browns

  • We mention the three 1st rounders and don't often mention the 3rd rounder and two 4ths that were part of the deal.  And in reality, it's those draft slots (and 2nd rounders) that we've been living off of since the trade...so, those are important picks that we didn't have also.

  • @orion said:

    Well, yeah...if you do it the way we did it.  Or the Rams did it.  But if he was your draft pick you're going to have to sign him with big guaranteed money before or when his rookie contract is up....if you want to keep him.  We, of course, had to throw in three 1st round picks, which we're just now crawling out from under.

    I suppose there is no way of knowing, and it might still be a year or two away from showing, but have we really missed the picks?  No doubt at least one of them would have been on a QB.  I think we have gotten enough value out of JOK, Dewand, and possibly Hall that we mitigated the loss of the 1st rounders.  That isn't even counting that Watson may finally be ready to be a very good QB at minimum.

    @ballpeen said:

    I suppose there is no way of knowing, and it might still be a year or two away from showing, but have we really missed the picks?  No doubt at least one of them would have been on a QB.  I think we have gotten enough value out of JOK, Dewand, and possibly Hall that we mitigated the loss of the 1st rounders.  That isn't even counting that Watson may finally be ready to be a very good QB at minimum.

    Like your point in bold above; but the Browns lost Nick Chubb, Dewand Jones, Jack Conklin, Jed Wills and Deshaun Watson to IR last year.  I think we're okay if we can keep the volume of injuries a little more reasonable in 2024.

  • @ballpeen said:

    I suppose there is no way of knowing, and it might still be a year or two away from showing, but have we really missed the picks?  No doubt at least one of them would have been on a QB.  I think we have gotten enough value out of JOK, Dewand, and possibly Hall that we mitigated the loss of the 1st rounders.  That isn't even counting that Watson may finally be ready to be a very good QB at minimum.

    Like your point in bold above; but the Browns lost Nick Chubb, Dewand Jones, Jack Conklin, Jed Wills and Deshaun Watson to IR last year.  I think we're okay if we can keep the volume of injuries a little more reasonable in 2024.

    @flugel said:

    Like your point in bold above; but the Browns lost Nick Chubb, Dewand Jones, Jack Conklin, Jed Wills and Deshaun Watson to IR last year.  I think we're okay if we can keep the volume of injuries a little more reasonable in 2024.

    No disagreement.  The question is how?  Unfortunately you can't play football in a bubble. Shit happens.

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    @ballpeen said:

    Have we really missed the picks? 

    Very fair question. 

    Doesn't necessarily answer who was missed, but this is exactly what the Texans did with each pick.

    Texans' Draft Picks from the Browns

    @ap1 said:

    Very fair question. 

    Doesn't necessarily answer who was missed, but this is exactly what the Texans did with each pick.

    Texans' Draft Picks from the Browns

    Too many trades to try to figure all of that out.

    In the end, sure, we might have gotten some good players.  We ended up getting some good players.

  • @ap1 said:

    Very fair question. 

    Doesn't necessarily answer who was missed, but this is exactly what the Texans did with each pick.

    Texans' Draft Picks from the Browns

    Too many trades to try to figure all of that out.

    In the end, sure, we might have gotten some good players.  We ended up getting some good players.

    @ballpeen said:

    Too many trades to try to figure all of that out.

    In the end, sure, we might have gotten some good players.  We ended up getting some good players.

    I don't look at the list of players the Texans drafted and have the lingering feeling that the Browns missed out.