Another Lawsuit Ensuing... The Browns Just Might Have An Out!
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i just wonder if he is still dealing with an injured throwing shoulder
Well, his deep balls didn't seem to have much zip to them.
Well, his deep balls didn't seem to have much zip to them.
I agree - his balls were sagging. My buddy Ghoolie is contagious!!!
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Dan Patrick is worth listening to on this issue. His sidekick brings up what's in the contract.
Some organizations/ownerships will never understand HOW to invest in a QB and protect such an important investment. Forget the Watson situation. I realize I went from a huge Baker fan prior to us drafting him to talking myself out of my initial angry reaction to the ownership dropping Baker. I posted a lot of venom about them not appreciating him and bringing up that's what he got for playing hurt. HOWEVER, I started to think the Watson I saw playing for the Texans seemed like an upgrade. That means I deserve some of the reality hitting me right between the lookers today.
I still don't know if Baker is ever going to be a Super Bowl Champion - but give the guy credit for his willingness to compete like one. We scored 48 points in a playoff game in Pittsburgh with him as our QB - although Myles Garrett started the score-fest with a TD on the game's first snap. Our pass rush caused 4 INTs and 5 turnovers from Roethlisberger. Baker threw 3 TD passes and ZERO interceptions on the same night. The interesting thing about it? It was the ONLY game our OC Alex Van Pelt got to call the plays the entire time he was here.
Of course, Jimmy's organization was still firing the OC (Alex Van Pelt) and RB Coach (Stump Mitchell) as the next ideas to solidify his staff around getting the right offensive fit for the gotta-have Watson. The difference between Watson's previous teams at Clemson as well as Houston - was they had the right staff and right offense all in place and ready to go to match his skills and strengths on Watson's 1st day there while the coaches knew exactly what needed to improve. Unfortunately, the Browns were heading into season #3 hoping they had the right new offense ready to go around the QB. Here's the thing, they did a lot of the same crap around Baker. How many different Offensive Coordinators or Coaches calling plays did the guy have here the 1st 3-4 years here? What seemed like a great idea at first was a lousy idea with bringing OBJ to the locker room here. I got the feeling that guy turned a lot of guys on the team against Baker; because nobody said they were sorry to see him go after all they accomplished together at times. Meanwhile, OBJ was buying teammates flashy cleats other stuff. Seemed like he wanted friction between Baker and Jarvis Landry (after those 2 had very good chemistry established here). I think OBJ was a cancer here and Jimmy used it all as his ideal opportunity to go get HIS new QB.
Another similarity Baker experienced like Watson here - was in their 2nd seasons with this team. The Browns lost both starting Offensive Tackles in the Opener against the Titans in Baker's 2nd season. They also lost 1 of the backups the next week. Fast forward to last year, the Browns lost Conklin, Jones and Wills. Lucky for us, the unemployed Left Tackle the Browns signed off the streets gave 100 times the effort that the Wills did. Conklin and Jones are both great run blockers when healthy. That said, how often was Conklin ever healthy enough before or after we drafted Dawand Jones. We're seeing this whole thing play out as Jimmy's business idea of how to compete. Pretty soon his product is gonna be competing with Sanford & Son re-runs...
Some organizations/ownerships will never understand HOW to invest in a QB and protect such an important investment. Forget the Watson situation. I realize I went from a huge Baker fan prior to us drafting him to talking myself out of my initial angry reaction to the ownership dropping Baker. I posted a lot of venom about them not appreciating him and bringing up that's what he got for playing hurt. HOWEVER, I started to think the Watson I saw playing for the Texans seemed like an upgrade. That means I deserve some of the reality hitting me right between the lookers today.
I still don't know if Baker is ever going to be a Super Bowl Champion - but give the guy credit for his willingness to compete like one. We scored 48 points in a playoff game in Pittsburgh with him as our QB - although Myles Garrett started the score-fest with a TD on the game's first snap. Our pass rush caused 4 INTs and 5 turnovers from Roethlisberger. Baker threw 3 TD passes and ZERO interceptions on the same night. The interesting thing about it? It was the ONLY game our OC Alex Van Pelt got to call the plays the entire time he was here.
Of course, Jimmy's organization was still firing the OC (Alex Van Pelt) and RB Coach (Stump Mitchell) as the next ideas to solidify his staff around getting the right offensive fit for the gotta-have Watson. The difference between Watson's previous teams at Clemson as well as Houston - was they had the right staff and right offense all in place and ready to go to match his skills and strengths on Watson's 1st day there while the coaches knew exactly what needed to improve. Unfortunately, the Browns were heading into season #3 hoping they had the right new offense ready to go around the QB. Here's the thing, they did a lot of the same crap around Baker. How many different Offensive Coordinators or Coaches calling plays did the guy have here the 1st 3-4 years here? What seemed like a great idea at first was a lousy idea with bringing OBJ to the locker room here. I got the feeling that guy turned a lot of guys on the team against Baker; because nobody said they were sorry to see him go after all they accomplished together at times. Meanwhile, OBJ was buying teammates flashy cleats other stuff. Seemed like he wanted friction between Baker and Jarvis Landry (after those 2 had very good chemistry established here). I think OBJ was a cancer here and Jimmy used it all as his ideal opportunity to go get HIS new QB.
Another similarity Baker experienced like Watson here - was in their 2nd seasons with this team. The Browns lost both starting Offensive Tackles in the Opener against the Titans in Baker's 2nd season. They also lost 1 of the backups the next week. Fast forward to last year, the Browns lost Conklin, Jones and Wills. Lucky for us, the unemployed Left Tackle the Browns signed off the streets gave 100 times the effort that the Wills did. Conklin and Jones are both great run blockers when healthy. That said, how often was Conklin ever healthy enough before or after we drafted Dawand Jones. We're seeing this whole thing play out as Jimmy's business idea of how to compete. Pretty soon his product is gonna be competing with Sanford & Son re-runs...
Tom, I was just the opposite. I became a detractor during the injured shoulder season.
Will Baker ever be a SB QB? Who knows, but I think the more important question is, could he be a SB QB on the right team? If he was in KC? pretty good chance.
We have lived to see a lot of great QBs never make it to/win the show, but they were still great QBs. Moon and Kosar come to mind.
Some people get really mad at Baker conversations, but many of us still talk about the Phipps/Warfield debacle and the Mitchell/Davis mess.
In my opinion, the jury is in, and for me there is no debate on either issue.
The Watson deal is among the worst football moves ever made. Whatever Watson is, he is distasteful to most Browns fans. His performance, excuses acknowledged, has been shit.
When most of the team headlines have to do with happy endings, something is seriously fucked up.
Was it a mistake to get rid of Mayfield? Yes, of course it was. For whatever his issues and foibles are, he has out performed what the Browns FO have replaced him with.
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A permanent lifetime ban and do the Brownies a solid to let us void that contract.
Godell hates Browns fans for ass fucking him and making him give our team back. The cocksucker will do everything he can to keep Watson in Cleveland.
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A permanent lifetime ban and do the Brownies a solid to let us void that contract.
Godell hates Browns fans for ass fucking him and making him give our team back. The cocksucker will do everything he can to keep Watson in Cleveland.
Godell hates Browns fans for ass fucking him and making him give our team back. The cocksucker will do everything he can to keep Watson in Cleveland.
I do think the Browns are one of the teams that Goodell views are benefitting from "The Shield," the NFL, more than the NFL benefits from the Browns.
I looked it up and the Browns are in the top half of the league in gross annual revenue, somewhere around $545 M a year. Honest take: that surprises me.
The NFL braintrust wants a global game because they stand the benefit the most. They see the success of the of these major European soccer leagues, I'm sure they see what the Saudis and Emiratis are doing with destination/tourism sporting events (UFC, et al) and they want a chunk of that capital.
I'd say the same for other mid-market teams.
The NFL wants more money from London, Frankfort, Munich, Madrid, Barcelona, Mexico City and Rio de Janiero. They understand they've reached their ceiling in mid-level American markets.
So I'd agree on his disdain for those teams in their current locales; though, he still needs fans spending money.
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A permanent lifetime ban and do the Brownies a solid to let us void that contract.
Godell hates Browns fans for ass fucking him and making him give our team back. The cocksucker will do everything he can to keep Watson in Cleveland.
Godell hates Browns fans for ass fucking him and making him give our team back. The cocksucker will do everything he can to keep Watson in Cleveland.
That was Tagliabue.
Roger is just following the memo Tagliabue left him, a laminated post-it note from 1999.
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Godell hates Browns fans for ass fucking him and making him give our team back. The cocksucker will do everything he can to keep Watson in Cleveland.
That was Tagliabue.
Roger is just following the memo Tagliabue left him, a laminated post-it note from 1999.
That was Tagliabue.
Roger is just following the memo Tagliabue left him, a laminated post-it note from 1999.
One cocksucker is the same as another. Fuck everyone who isn't us.
I am not heartless however. If our opponents all die, I will beat their wives and fuck their daughters.
Now That would be a happy ending.
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That was Tagliabue.
Roger is just following the memo Tagliabue left him, a laminated post-it note from 1999.
One cocksucker is the same as another. Fuck everyone who isn't us.
I am not heartless however. If our opponents all die, I will beat their wives and fuck their daughters.
Now That would be a happy ending.
One cocksucker is the same as another. Fuck everyone who isn't us.
I am not heartless however. If our opponents all die, I will beat their wives and fuck their daughters.
Now That would be a happy ending.
Sounds like a Lifetime Movie Network after school special.
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One cocksucker is the same as another. Fuck everyone who isn't us.
I am not heartless however. If our opponents all die, I will beat their wives and fuck their daughters.
Now That would be a happy ending.
Sounds like a Lifetime Movie Network after school special.
Sounds like a Lifetime Movie Network after school special.
"Ghoolie Does Debbie and Her Daughters and Granddaughters." - catchy title too.?
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Some organizations/ownerships will never understand HOW to invest in a QB and protect such an important investment. Forget the Watson situation. I realize I went from a huge Baker fan prior to us drafting him to talking myself out of my initial angry reaction to the ownership dropping Baker. I posted a lot of venom about them not appreciating him and bringing up that's what he got for playing hurt. HOWEVER, I started to think the Watson I saw playing for the Texans seemed like an upgrade. That means I deserve some of the reality hitting me right between the lookers today.
I still don't know if Baker is ever going to be a Super Bowl Champion - but give the guy credit for his willingness to compete like one. We scored 48 points in a playoff game in Pittsburgh with him as our QB - although Myles Garrett started the score-fest with a TD on the game's first snap. Our pass rush caused 4 INTs and 5 turnovers from Roethlisberger. Baker threw 3 TD passes and ZERO interceptions on the same night. The interesting thing about it? It was the ONLY game our OC Alex Van Pelt got to call the plays the entire time he was here.
Of course, Jimmy's organization was still firing the OC (Alex Van Pelt) and RB Coach (Stump Mitchell) as the next ideas to solidify his staff around getting the right offensive fit for the gotta-have Watson. The difference between Watson's previous teams at Clemson as well as Houston - was they had the right staff and right offense all in place and ready to go to match his skills and strengths on Watson's 1st day there while the coaches knew exactly what needed to improve. Unfortunately, the Browns were heading into season #3 hoping they had the right new offense ready to go around the QB. Here's the thing, they did a lot of the same crap around Baker. How many different Offensive Coordinators or Coaches calling plays did the guy have here the 1st 3-4 years here? What seemed like a great idea at first was a lousy idea with bringing OBJ to the locker room here. I got the feeling that guy turned a lot of guys on the team against Baker; because nobody said they were sorry to see him go after all they accomplished together at times. Meanwhile, OBJ was buying teammates flashy cleats other stuff. Seemed like he wanted friction between Baker and Jarvis Landry (after those 2 had very good chemistry established here). I think OBJ was a cancer here and Jimmy used it all as his ideal opportunity to go get HIS new QB.
Another similarity Baker experienced like Watson here - was in their 2nd seasons with this team. The Browns lost both starting Offensive Tackles in the Opener against the Titans in Baker's 2nd season. They also lost 1 of the backups the next week. Fast forward to last year, the Browns lost Conklin, Jones and Wills. Lucky for us, the unemployed Left Tackle the Browns signed off the streets gave 100 times the effort that the Wills did. Conklin and Jones are both great run blockers when healthy. That said, how often was Conklin ever healthy enough before or after we drafted Dawand Jones. We're seeing this whole thing play out as Jimmy's business idea of how to compete. Pretty soon his product is gonna be competing with Sanford & Son re-runs...
Tom, I was just the opposite. I became a detractor during the injured shoulder season.
Will Baker ever be a SB QB? Who knows, but I think the more important question is, could he be a SB QB on the right team? If he was in KC? pretty good chance.
We have lived to see a lot of great QBs never make it to/win the show, but they were still great QBs. Moon and Kosar come to mind.
Some people get really mad at Baker conversations, but many of us still talk about the Phipps/Warfield debacle and the Mitchell/Davis mess.
In my opinion, the jury is in, and for me there is no debate on either issue.
The Watson deal is among the worst football moves ever made. Whatever Watson is, he is distasteful to most Browns fans. His performance, excuses acknowledged, has been shit.
When most of the team headlines have to do with happy endings, something is seriously fucked up.
Was it a mistake to get rid of Mayfield? Yes, of course it was. For whatever his issues and foibles are, he has out performed what the Browns FO have replaced him with.
Tom, I was just the opposite. I became a detractor during the injured shoulder season.
Will Baker ever be a SB QB? Who knows, but I think the more important question is, could he be a SB QB on the right team? If he was in KC? pretty good chance.
We have lived to see a lot of great QBs never make it to/win the show, but they were still great QBs. Moon and Kosar come to mind.
Some people get really mad at Baker conversations, but many of us still talk about the Phipps/Warfield debacle and the Mitchell/Davis mess.
In my opinion, the jury is in, and for me there is no debate on either issue.
The Watson deal is among the worst football moves ever made. Whatever Watson is, he is distasteful to most Browns fans. His performance, excuses acknowledged, has been shit.
When most of the team headlines have to do with happy endings, something is seriously fucked up.
Was it a mistake to get rid of Mayfield? Yes, of course it was. For whatever his issues and foibles are, he has out performed what the Browns FO have replaced him with.
This reminds me of an old song I heard on the radio as a kid. Even more outrageous is I found 2 different music videos for it and couldn't freakin believe it. You don't need to sentence yourself to both of them. If you can somehow make it to the end of the song on the 1st one - doesn't Jimmy Haslam seem like the next version of The Blind Man in the Bleachers? Baker's playing some of his best football in this league without Jimmy in his life...
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Tom, I was just the opposite. I became a detractor during the injured shoulder season.
Will Baker ever be a SB QB? Who knows, but I think the more important question is, could he be a SB QB on the right team? If he was in KC? pretty good chance.
We have lived to see a lot of great QBs never make it to/win the show, but they were still great QBs. Moon and Kosar come to mind.
Some people get really mad at Baker conversations, but many of us still talk about the Phipps/Warfield debacle and the Mitchell/Davis mess.
In my opinion, the jury is in, and for me there is no debate on either issue.
The Watson deal is among the worst football moves ever made. Whatever Watson is, he is distasteful to most Browns fans. His performance, excuses acknowledged, has been shit.
When most of the team headlines have to do with happy endings, something is seriously fucked up.
Was it a mistake to get rid of Mayfield? Yes, of course it was. For whatever his issues and foibles are, he has out performed what the Browns FO have replaced him with.
This reminds me of an old song I heard on the radio as a kid. Even more outrageous is I found 2 different music videos for it and couldn't freakin believe it. You don't need to sentence yourself to both of them. If you can somehow make it to the end of the song on the 1st one - doesn't Jimmy Haslam seem like the next version of The Blind Man in the Bleachers? Baker's playing some of his best football in this league without Jimmy in his life...
This reminds me of an old song I heard on the radio as a kid. Even more outrageous is I found 2 different music videos for it and couldn't freakin believe it. You don't need to sentence yourself to both of them. If you can somehow make it to the end of the song on the 1st one - doesn't Jimmy Haslam seem like the next version of The Blind Man in the Bleachers? Baker's playing some of his best football in this league without Jimmy in his life...
Interesting contrast in tonalities between the 2 versions... I like the 1st one myself... the 2nd is an interesting dark take on it...
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