Get mad if you want to
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Life is tough. Business is tough. Sentimentality is the enemy of both.
I would have cut Nick Chubb at the end of his injury season. His age, wear and tear, and the injury have made him lesser.
Argue all you want but time and anatomy always win. I have never seen anyone win this battle.
The Cliff's notes version. Waiting for him has put the entire team at a disadvantage. We don't have a running game. Because of Chubb.
Cabot says week 8 or 9, maybe? Please call me whatever you may but this fucking guy isn't just going to step in and be his formal self
Take a lion out of the jungle for a year then then release him back into the jungle. He will.get overwhelmed.
Keeping Chubb and not finding younger legs is a blunder second only to the Watson Blunder.
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I chose him very late on my FFL knowing he might not be available until halfway through the season. But I also know he worked his butt off to return to the form we saw with the Browns from that devastating knee injury at Georgia. I'm taking a bet he recovers again. It lessens my ability to play FFL at the moment by one player, but may be worth it down the stretch. Hell, an 80% N.C. is better than any RB we have at the moment.
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Life is tough. Business is tough. Sentimentality is the enemy of both.
I would have cut Nick Chubb at the end of his injury season. His age, wear and tear, and the injury have made him lesser.
Argue all you want but time and anatomy always win. I have never seen anyone win this battle.
The Cliff's notes version. Waiting for him has put the entire team at a disadvantage. We don't have a running game. Because of Chubb.
Cabot says week 8 or 9, maybe? Please call me whatever you may but this fucking guy isn't just going to step in and be his formal self
Take a lion out of the jungle for a year then then release him back into the jungle. He will.get overwhelmed.
Keeping Chubb and not finding younger legs is a blunder second only to the Watson Blunder.
Life is tough. Business is tough. Sentimentality is the enemy of both.
I would have cut Nick Chubb at the end of his injury season. His age, wear and tear, and the injury have made him lesser.
Argue all you want but time and anatomy always win. I have never seen anyone win this battle.
The Cliff's notes version. Waiting for him has put the entire team at a disadvantage. We don't have a running game. Because of Chubb.
Cabot says week 8 or 9, maybe? Please call me whatever you may but this fucking guy isn't just going to step in and be his formal self
Take a lion out of the jungle for a year then then release him back into the jungle. He will.get overwhelmed.
Keeping Chubb and not finding younger legs is a blunder second only to the Watson Blunder.
No one knows with complete certainty what Chubb will or will not be when he returns. Be it this year or come next. Are the overall odds that he returns to form, certainly not. So one approach would have been yo just move on and take what cap hit there was.
Another approach is what the Browns did. They redid his contract at a lower cost, with escalators for certain performances. Showing that loyalty (or at least perceived loyalty) goes a long way with players in the locker room, potential future free agents, player agents, and the fan base. All in the big picture better for business.
Have never seen anyone win this battle? 2011/2012 has Adrian Petterson and Jamal Charles on the line.
Chubb has zero to do with the anything to do with the current run game. His cost didn't preclude adding anyone. He is only under contract for 2024. Barking up a wrong tree.
MKC.....consider your source.
Terrible analogy.
Keepign Chubb would have no impact on "finding younger legs", cause you know, only under contract for 2024.
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Life is tough. Business is tough. Sentimentality is the enemy of both.
I would have cut Nick Chubb at the end of his injury season. His age, wear and tear, and the injury have made him lesser.
Argue all you want but time and anatomy always win. I have never seen anyone win this battle.
The Cliff's notes version. Waiting for him has put the entire team at a disadvantage. We don't have a running game. Because of Chubb.
Cabot says week 8 or 9, maybe? Please call me whatever you may but this fucking guy isn't just going to step in and be his formal self
Take a lion out of the jungle for a year then then release him back into the jungle. He will.get overwhelmed.
Keeping Chubb and not finding younger legs is a blunder second only to the Watson Blunder.
No one knows with complete certainty what Chubb will or will not be when he returns. Be it this year or come next. Are the overall odds that he returns to form, certainly not. So one approach would have been yo just move on and take what cap hit there was.
Another approach is what the Browns did. They redid his contract at a lower cost, with escalators for certain performances. Showing that loyalty (or at least perceived loyalty) goes a long way with players in the locker room, potential future free agents, player agents, and the fan base. All in the big picture better for business.
Have never seen anyone win this battle? 2011/2012 has Adrian Petterson and Jamal Charles on the line.
Chubb has zero to do with the anything to do with the current run game. His cost didn't preclude adding anyone. He is only under contract for 2024. Barking up a wrong tree.
MKC.....consider your source.
Terrible analogy.
Keepign Chubb would have no impact on "finding younger legs", cause you know, only under contract for 2024.
No one knows with complete certainty what Chubb will or will not be when he returns. Be it this year or come next. Are the overall odds that he returns to form, certainly not. So one approach would have been yo just move on and take what cap hit there was.
Another approach is what the Browns did. They redid his contract at a lower cost, with escalators for certain performances. Showing that loyalty (or at least perceived loyalty) goes a long way with players in the locker room, potential future free agents, player agents, and the fan base. All in the big picture better for business.
Have never seen anyone win this battle? 2011/2012 has Adrian Petterson and Jamal Charles on the line.
Chubb has zero to do with the anything to do with the current run game. His cost didn't preclude adding anyone. He is only under contract for 2024. Barking up a wrong tree.
MKC.....consider your source.
Terrible analogy.
Keepign Chubb would have no impact on "finding younger legs", cause you know, only under contract for 2024.
Keeping Chubb DID influence the Browns not finding younger legs.
The Browns mindset was to stand pat based on not wanting to offend supporters.
Chubb is part of the running game. The running game is not very good.
They should have cut him loose. Instead, they chose limbo.
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It shouldn't impact anything for younger, again only under contract for 2024.
No one would be "offended" by adding younger legs. No one offended when they drafted Ford, who they likely hoped would develop in to a replacement as Chubb was about to become too pricy.
They didn't choose limbo, they choose the backs they have, and a lottery ticket.
They aren't winning in the trenches consistently, Ford doesnt have instictual vision, and they are seeing loaded boxes. Keeping Chubbs under contract at a reduced cost has nothing to do with that. Chubb also isn't playing (nor currently taking a roster spot).
If the entire Watson circus hasn't cost them in revenue you think letting go of Chubb would have them worried? These imaginary supporters would not impact having young legs to long term suplant Chubb. Because again, he is only under contract for 2024. If he came back at form he is gone after this year because of cost + age. If he is a shell he is gone after 2024.
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The blocking on the edges has been atrocious. Unfortunately, when Wills or Conklin can't answer the bell at LT we're left watching James Hudson drown. Every time the Browns made a big play going left - it seemed like Hudson was getting flagged. That said, Bitonio, Pocic, and Teller all got flagged once apiece for holding last week. Jones on the right side has returned from 2023 IR (and knee surgery) that ended a good season. Understandably, he's not as consistent (and he's been replaced at times for a breather or possibly volume of reps control).
This team committed a huge amount of $ to Conklin when it first signed him and more with his contract extension. He's one of the best run blockers in the league; but the problem is he's never healthy enough to play. For that, I can't blame Hudson. It's a big tease thinking what our edges could be vrs what they have to be right now.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
This week I read somewhere that Ford rated out as the fastest RB in the NFL for week 2. And I remember thinking, on that 4th down 30+ yard run around the end, Wow, Ford can run pretty fast! Guys were coming at him thinking that they had the angle on him...but nope, he sped right past them along the sideline.
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This week I read somewhere that Ford rated out as the fastest RB in the NFL for week 2. And I remember thinking, on that 4th down 30+ yard run around the end, Wow, Ford can run pretty fast! Guys were coming at him thinking that they had the angle on him...but nope, he sped right past them along the sideline.
This week I read somewhere that Ford rated out as the fastest RB in the NFL for week 2. And I remember thinking, on that 4th down 30+ yard run around the end, Wow, Ford can run pretty fast! Guys were coming at him thinking that they had the angle on him...but nope, he sped right past them along the sideline.
Ford has wheels, it’s his vision and ability to put his head down and take a short but positive gain that are his negatives
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This week I read somewhere that Ford rated out as the fastest RB in the NFL for week 2. And I remember thinking, on that 4th down 30+ yard run around the end, Wow, Ford can run pretty fast! Guys were coming at him thinking that they had the angle on him...but nope, he sped right past them along the sideline.
This week I read somewhere that Ford rated out as the fastest RB in the NFL for week 2. And I remember thinking, on that 4th down 30+ yard run around the end, Wow, Ford can run pretty fast! Guys were coming at him thinking that they had the angle on him...but nope, he sped right past them along the sideline.
I still remember that run Ford had last year in the 1st Steeler game where he started out going right and reversed his field to the left. He outran a lot of LBers and DBs with good pursuit angles. The guy that made the TD saving tackle was their Safety Minkah Fitzpatrick who was already their deepest line of defense on that side of the field.
That game was quite a 1st impression of Ford. However, that long run I spoke of ended up having Ford thinking he could start reversing his field anytime. Then we started seeing some big losses of yardage from that approach. It became a bad habit, which might be a big reason why Stump Mitchell (whom I liked) got fired for Duce Staley this past off-season - fair or not. This is really only the beginning of his 2nd season of action in the Browns' running game even though it's his 3rd season here. Stefanski mentioned it in one of the press conferences.
AGAIN, if the Browns stink on the line outside of the Offensive Guards, the where they can run shrinks considerably. The predictability of it all - doesn't help our RBs. Just to keep a defense honest, the Browns will try to mix it up and run Off Tackle Left. Unfortunately, that usually invites a yellow flag or 2. If Jones is playing and they try to run off tackle right or a sweep right, the Browns have a chance. He was in and out of the line-up on Sunday though - so even that has a small window of opportunity.
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This week I read somewhere that Ford rated out as the fastest RB in the NFL for week 2. And I remember thinking, on that 4th down 30+ yard run around the end, Wow, Ford can run pretty fast! Guys were coming at him thinking that they had the angle on him...but nope, he sped right past them along the sideline.
Ford has wheels, it’s his vision and ability to put his head down and take a short but positive gain that are his negatives
Ford has wheels, it’s his vision and ability to put his head down and take a short but positive gain that are his negatives
Yes indeed. It's a frustrating inconsistency. Sometimes he appears to see the field really well so he sets up and reads his blocks for nice gains. Other times, like you alluded to, all we need is a 2 yard gain to move the sticks - but he has other ideas not including his vision at the last split second when he inexplicably tries to cut inside or outside. I want a hit it and get it mentality from our backs in short yardage. Live another 3 downs. The worst thing Ford does is turn what looks to be a no gain or short loss into a 40 yard loss. This is only a guess; but something like that could be a big reason why he went from being a RB for the Alabama Crimson Tide 1 year to playing for the University of Cincinnati Bearcats the next year.
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The blocking on the edges has been atrocious. Unfortunately, when Wills or Conklin can't answer the bell at LT we're left watching James Hudson drown. Every time the Browns made a big play going left - it seemed like Hudson was getting flagged. That said, Bitonio, Pocic, and Teller all got flagged once apiece for holding last week. Jones on the right side has returned from 2023 IR (and knee surgery) that ended a good season. Understandably, he's not as consistent (and he's been replaced at times for a breather or possibly volume of reps control).
This team committed a huge amount of $ to Conklin when it first signed him and more with his contract extension. He's one of the best run blockers in the league; but the problem is he's never healthy enough to play. For that, I can't blame Hudson. It's a big tease thinking what our edges could be vrs what they have to be right now.
The blocking on the edges has been atrocious. Unfortunately, when Wills or Conklin can't answer the bell at LT we're left watching James Hudson drown. Every time the Browns made a big play going left - it seemed like Hudson was getting flagged. That said, Bitonio, Pocic, and Teller all got flagged once apiece for holding last week. Jones on the right side has returned from 2023 IR (and knee surgery) that ended a good season. Understandably, he's not as consistent (and he's been replaced at times for a breather or possibly volume of reps control).
This team committed a huge amount of $ to Conklin when it first signed him and more with his contract extension. He's one of the best run blockers in the league; but the problem is he's never healthy enough to play. For that, I can't blame Hudson. It's a big tease thinking what our edges could be vrs what they have to be right now.
Tom, I think this is a good analysis and the OL play has to be considered.
My concerns are two fold.
* I would have cut ties with Chubb. I don't think the cost of bringing him back will ever be paid back. I think sentimentality kept him in the mix.
I harken back to when we had a chance to draft Barkley. Many felt sacrificing for a RB, who stats say won't last too long. I can't help feeling this Chubb thing is analogous.
* I wonder, is the poor line play partly because the OL is waiting until the rock star comes back? Analytics negates the human/emotional factor, but perhaps part of the issue is that the initial wind sucked out of the team when Chubb got hurt has never been reinfused?
Certainly is Jim Brown ever got hurt the then Browns would have had the life sapped out of them.
Salary should be enough to get 100% out of a guy, but it can't buy self belief and adrenaline.
Add this Watson shit and I don't know, I might have a hard time playing with full vigor.
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This week I read somewhere that Ford rated out as the fastest RB in the NFL for week 2. And I remember thinking, on that 4th down 30+ yard run around the end, Wow, Ford can run pretty fast! Guys were coming at him thinking that they had the angle on him...but nope, he sped right past them along the sideline.
that 4th down 30+ yard run around the end,
...and was that play set up beautifully or what? After that 1st Winston QB sneak they got the exact look they wanted for the 2nd try. The coaches must have been on the sidelines like, Snap the ball, Please just snap the ball....
Obviously the Giants are now in tune with that play...but I'd still run the QB sneak out of that personnel when required. - Good job by the coaches involved in that play.
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Life is tough. Business is tough. Sentimentality is the enemy of both.
I would have cut Nick Chubb at the end of his injury season. His age, wear and tear, and the injury have made him lesser.
Argue all you want but time and anatomy always win. I have never seen anyone win this battle.
The Cliff's notes version. Waiting for him has put the entire team at a disadvantage. We don't have a running game. Because of Chubb.
Cabot says week 8 or 9, maybe? Please call me whatever you may but this fucking guy isn't just going to step in and be his formal self
Take a lion out of the jungle for a year then then release him back into the jungle. He will.get overwhelmed.
Keeping Chubb and not finding younger legs is a blunder second only to the Watson Blunder.
Life is tough. Business is tough. Sentimentality is the enemy of both.
I would have cut Nick Chubb at the end of his injury season. His age, wear and tear, and the injury have made him lesser.
Argue all you want but time and anatomy always win. I have never seen anyone win this battle.
The Cliff's notes version. Waiting for him has put the entire team at a disadvantage. We don't have a running game. Because of Chubb.
Cabot says week 8 or 9, maybe? Please call me whatever you may but this fucking guy isn't just going to step in and be his formal self
Take a lion out of the jungle for a year then then release him back into the jungle. He will.get overwhelmed.
Keeping Chubb and not finding younger legs is a blunder second only to the Watson Blunder.
This is why Andrew Berry makes the decisions and you wake up in your own urine.
Zombo -
Ghoolie talking shit to himself using one of his other accounts.
Quality content. I can see why he was let back on here.
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Ghoolie talking shit to himself using one of his other accounts.
Quality content. I can see why he was let back on here.
Ghoolie talking shit to himself using one of his other accounts.
Quality content. I can see why he was let back on here.
Funny thing is that many of Ghoolie's most recent posts actually have football opinion content, some of which is on the money.
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Life is tough. Business is tough. Sentimentality is the enemy of both.
I would have cut Nick Chubb at the end of his injury season. His age, wear and tear, and the injury have made him lesser.
Argue all you want but time and anatomy always win. I have never seen anyone win this battle.
The Cliff's notes version. Waiting for him has put the entire team at a disadvantage. We don't have a running game. Because of Chubb.
Cabot says week 8 or 9, maybe? Please call me whatever you may but this fucking guy isn't just going to step in and be his formal self
Take a lion out of the jungle for a year then then release him back into the jungle. He will.get overwhelmed.
Keeping Chubb and not finding younger legs is a blunder second only to the Watson Blunder.
This is why Andrew Berry makes the decisions and you wake up in your own urine.
@horse-balls said:
This is why Andrew Berry makes the decisions and you wake up in your own urine.
Ah.....I am more than happy to compare financials to Andrew Berry. Any time you want to compare your CV, just let me know
Despite that, Berry has not exactly been successful, has he? He is to NFL team managers what Watson is to quarterbacks.
The average running back craps out at 28-29. Chubb is 28 and in addition to normal wear and tear had his leg FUBAR.
It appears that he is not going to return until week 8 or 9?
This classifies him in the same utility category as Deshaun Watson. Sitting on his ass for a year and a half.
A young healthy man with an injury and 18 months off isn't just going to get off the bench and be at the top of his game.
Instead of moving forward with fresh legs and a new offense, the Browns decided to stand pat and put in a place card until Chubb shows up.
You have to be a jackoff if you think this guy is ever going to be close to what he was. He will milk the Browns for salary and sentimentality for 2024, then retire. Just watch.
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