Get mad if you want to
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6 years ago while the keynote at a water event a Ph.D approached me with an invention. He pyrolyzed rice husks in a way that enabled them to remove heavy metals from water.
He asked for help, I did my due diligence and we formed a corporation.
It came time to raise capital and I appointed someone else as CEO. I did so because he was connected and had raised funding for many successful corporations. He put me in front of some powerful guys, like Fred Smith and Pitt Hyde. We secured $2.8 million in funding from some very powerful entities.
Along the way, we discovered that our product was not that thunderous in water.
We discovered however, that when used in cement it sequestered carbon, provided carbon credits for buyers, reduced biomass, and made cement stronger.
It was an instant hit with the Climate change crowd. Unfortunatelty my scientific discipline finds climate change to be total nonsense.
The dilemma then? How could we proceed when the founder, me, spoke and wrote against what the company was going to pursue?
Simple, I needed to be fired.
the next threebyears were tough. However, after selling off all its assets, today the company secured $21 million to build a green plant in California and has entities knocking down the door to buy our energy and cement/soil enhancing products. Barrons' predicted we will have a buyer in the $350 - 500 MM range within 3 years.
I had lunch today with the CEO, who is my dear friend, and offering me help on my new venture.
Hard to fire Chubb? Try firing yourself!
When I apponted someone else CEO my friends and wife couldn't believe it. Was I a beta? No.
This product was never MY dream. My skills put it together and launched it. As it changed, it bored the fuck out of me..With me as the CEO, the company would have died. Now, my stock interest has life and I am launching my own dream and a book.
Really long story short. People who make decision based on feelings, sentiment and loyalty, generally don't move the Earth.
If I owned the Browns, I would have cut Chubb before he was carted off. He is 28 and has had two major injuries on his knee.
Will he come back?
He will never give back to the Browns from now, going forward what was sucked out of them with him being hurt.
Chubb is a feel good story? Sure, but what does that get you?
Every week since he was gone a big part of the weekly talk has been "wait until Chubb gets back".
Life is lived today. Opportunity knocks now, not tomorrow.
The Browns don't make business decisions. They make emotional/political decisions. Flacco is gone because why? He is too different than Watson? Yeah, he motivated the team and fans, and he won. What kind of fucked up logic lets that energy get away?
Just remember this. Should Cubb be delayed in his return, not be his old self, or worse, get hurt again, it will be devastating to the moral of the entire franchise.
His potential downsides bury his potential upsides. Football, life, is more than analytics and Xs and Os.
We will see what happens, but regardless of how he comes back, Chubb should have been released and the team should have found a new plow horse.
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6 years ago while the keynote at a water event a Ph.D approached me with an invention. He pyrolyzed rice husks in a way that enabled them to remove heavy metals from water.
He asked for help, I did my due diligence and we formed a corporation.
It came time to raise capital and I appointed someone else as CEO. I did so because he was connected and had raised funding for many successful corporations. He put me in front of some powerful guys, like Fred Smith and Pitt Hyde. We secured $2.8 million in funding from some very powerful entities.
Along the way, we discovered that our product was not that thunderous in water.
We discovered however, that when used in cement it sequestered carbon, provided carbon credits for buyers, reduced biomass, and made cement stronger.
It was an instant hit with the Climate change crowd. Unfortunatelty my scientific discipline finds climate change to be total nonsense.
The dilemma then? How could we proceed when the founder, me, spoke and wrote against what the company was going to pursue?
Simple, I needed to be fired.
the next threebyears were tough. However, after selling off all its assets, today the company secured $21 million to build a green plant in California and has entities knocking down the door to buy our energy and cement/soil enhancing products. Barrons' predicted we will have a buyer in the $350 - 500 MM range within 3 years.
I had lunch today with the CEO, who is my dear friend, and offering me help on my new venture.
Hard to fire Chubb? Try firing yourself!
When I apponted someone else CEO my friends and wife couldn't believe it. Was I a beta? No.
This product was never MY dream. My skills put it together and launched it. As it changed, it bored the fuck out of me..With me as the CEO, the company would have died. Now, my stock interest has life and I am launching my own dream and a book.
Really long story short. People who make decision based on feelings, sentiment and loyalty, generally don't move the Earth.
If I owned the Browns, I would have cut Chubb before he was carted off. He is 28 and has had two major injuries on his knee.
Will he come back?
He will never give back to the Browns from now, going forward what was sucked out of them with him being hurt.
Chubb is a feel good story? Sure, but what does that get you?
Every week since he was gone a big part of the weekly talk has been "wait until Chubb gets back".
Life is lived today. Opportunity knocks now, not tomorrow.
The Browns don't make business decisions. They make emotional/political decisions. Flacco is gone because why? He is too different than Watson? Yeah, he motivated the team and fans, and he won. What kind of fucked up logic lets that energy get away?
Just remember this. Should Cubb be delayed in his return, not be his old self, or worse, get hurt again, it will be devastating to the moral of the entire franchise.
His potential downsides bury his potential upsides. Football, life, is more than analytics and Xs and Os.
We will see what happens, but regardless of how he comes back, Chubb should have been released and the team should have found a new plow horse.
6 years ago while the keynote at a water event a Ph.D approached me with an invention. He pyrolyzed rice husks in a way that enabled them to remove heavy metals from water.
He asked for help, I did my due diligence and we formed a corporation.
It came time to raise capital and I appointed someone else as CEO. I did so because he was connected and had raised funding for many successful corporations. He put me in front of some powerful guys, like Fred Smith and Pitt Hyde. We secured $2.8 million in funding from some very powerful entities.
Along the way, we discovered that our product was not that thunderous in water.
We discovered however, that when used in cement it sequestered carbon, provided carbon credits for buyers, reduced biomass, and made cement stronger.
It was an instant hit with the Climate change crowd. Unfortunatelty my scientific discipline finds climate change to be total nonsense.
The dilemma then? How could we proceed when the founder, me, spoke and wrote against what the company was going to pursue?
Simple, I needed to be fired.
the next threebyears were tough. However, after selling off all its assets, today the company secured $21 million to build a green plant in California and has entities knocking down the door to buy our energy and cement/soil enhancing products. Barrons' predicted we will have a buyer in the $350 - 500 MM range within 3 years.
I had lunch today with the CEO, who is my dear friend, and offering me help on my new venture.
Hard to fire Chubb? Try firing yourself!
When I apponted someone else CEO my friends and wife couldn't believe it. Was I a beta? No.
This product was never MY dream. My skills put it together and launched it. As it changed, it bored the fuck out of me..With me as the CEO, the company would have died. Now, my stock interest has life and I am launching my own dream and a book.
Really long story short. People who make decision based on feelings, sentiment and loyalty, generally don't move the Earth.
If I owned the Browns, I would have cut Chubb before he was carted off. He is 28 and has had two major injuries on his knee.
Will he come back?
He will never give back to the Browns from now, going forward what was sucked out of them with him being hurt.
Chubb is a feel good story? Sure, but what does that get you?
Every week since he was gone a big part of the weekly talk has been "wait until Chubb gets back".
Life is lived today. Opportunity knocks now, not tomorrow.
The Browns don't make business decisions. They make emotional/political decisions. Flacco is gone because why? He is too different than Watson? Yeah, he motivated the team and fans, and he won. What kind of fucked up logic lets that energy get away?
Just remember this. Should Cubb be delayed in his return, not be his old self, or worse, get hurt again, it will be devastating to the moral of the entire franchise.
His potential downsides bury his potential upsides. Football, life, is more than analytics and Xs and Os.
We will see what happens, but regardless of how he comes back, Chubb should have been released and the team should have found a new plow horse.
I'm okay admitting that I know you're right and that in this instance - Chubb, 28, two major knee injuries - I'm hopeful that Chubb is the statistical outlier.
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6 years ago while the keynote at a water event a Ph.D approached me with an invention. He pyrolyzed rice husks in a way that enabled them to remove heavy metals from water.
He asked for help, I did my due diligence and we formed a corporation.
It came time to raise capital and I appointed someone else as CEO. I did so because he was connected and had raised funding for many successful corporations. He put me in front of some powerful guys, like Fred Smith and Pitt Hyde. We secured $2.8 million in funding from some very powerful entities.
Along the way, we discovered that our product was not that thunderous in water.
We discovered however, that when used in cement it sequestered carbon, provided carbon credits for buyers, reduced biomass, and made cement stronger.
It was an instant hit with the Climate change crowd. Unfortunatelty my scientific discipline finds climate change to be total nonsense.
The dilemma then? How could we proceed when the founder, me, spoke and wrote against what the company was going to pursue?
Simple, I needed to be fired.
the next threebyears were tough. However, after selling off all its assets, today the company secured $21 million to build a green plant in California and has entities knocking down the door to buy our energy and cement/soil enhancing products. Barrons' predicted we will have a buyer in the $350 - 500 MM range within 3 years.
I had lunch today with the CEO, who is my dear friend, and offering me help on my new venture.
Hard to fire Chubb? Try firing yourself!
When I apponted someone else CEO my friends and wife couldn't believe it. Was I a beta? No.
This product was never MY dream. My skills put it together and launched it. As it changed, it bored the fuck out of me..With me as the CEO, the company would have died. Now, my stock interest has life and I am launching my own dream and a book.
Really long story short. People who make decision based on feelings, sentiment and loyalty, generally don't move the Earth.
If I owned the Browns, I would have cut Chubb before he was carted off. He is 28 and has had two major injuries on his knee.
Will he come back?
He will never give back to the Browns from now, going forward what was sucked out of them with him being hurt.
Chubb is a feel good story? Sure, but what does that get you?
Every week since he was gone a big part of the weekly talk has been "wait until Chubb gets back".
Life is lived today. Opportunity knocks now, not tomorrow.
The Browns don't make business decisions. They make emotional/political decisions. Flacco is gone because why? He is too different than Watson? Yeah, he motivated the team and fans, and he won. What kind of fucked up logic lets that energy get away?
Just remember this. Should Cubb be delayed in his return, not be his old self, or worse, get hurt again, it will be devastating to the moral of the entire franchise.
His potential downsides bury his potential upsides. Football, life, is more than analytics and Xs and Os.
We will see what happens, but regardless of how he comes back, Chubb should have been released and the team should have found a new plow horse.
I'm okay admitting that I know you're right and that in this instance - Chubb, 28, two major knee injuries - I'm hopeful that Chubb is the statistical outlier.
I'm okay admitting that I know you're right and that in this instance - Chubb, 28, two major knee injuries - I'm hopeful that Chubb is the statistical outlier.
Here's the thing, a lot of people assumed at the UGA he was either done or coming back at a best case scenario of 50% of a great memory. And what happened? And more important - why? "Thy will be done only if thy will be strong!" This is where this guy wins.
Tom's/Ghoolie's points would be applicable to a lot of people. Here's the thing, if you sat a lot of people in a room years ago and said "I'm gonna take solid and liquid waste and turn it all into water everyone can drink" they'd think you're bat shit nuts. Guess what? It took the right mind and the right will to slap all the naysayers upside the head to show the world you can reclaim drinking water with Reverse Osmosis.
Your very overcaffeinated buddy Flugel still believes Nick Chubb can be our Reverse Osmosis. He's already done it once in the SEC. This ain't a normal guy we're talking about so I feel like I'd be insulting him by quitting on what I've seen. Here's the misunderstanding, the Browns wouldn't be going broke because of Nick Chubb. It would be from the crack pipe the owner keeps using on how to invest in a franchise QB. This owner would have cut Josh Allen during the early learning curve and growing pains. He's clearly not wired to get it but those that prefer to look at profit margins to define business success would argue I'm wrong. That said, what owner of the 32 isn't benefitting from the shared revenue coming from Sunday Ticket monopoly?
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I'm okay admitting that I know you're right and that in this instance - Chubb, 28, two major knee injuries - I'm hopeful that Chubb is the statistical outlier.
Here's the thing, a lot of people assumed at the UGA he was either done or coming back at a best case scenario of 50% of a great memory. And what happened? And more important - why? "Thy will be done only if thy will be strong!" This is where this guy wins.
Tom's/Ghoolie's points would be applicable to a lot of people. Here's the thing, if you sat a lot of people in a room years ago and said "I'm gonna take solid and liquid waste and turn it all into water everyone can drink" they'd think you're bat shit nuts. Guess what? It took the right mind and the right will to slap all the naysayers upside the head to show the world you can reclaim drinking water with Reverse Osmosis.
Your very overcaffeinated buddy Flugel still believes Nick Chubb can be our Reverse Osmosis. He's already done it once in the SEC. This ain't a normal guy we're talking about so I feel like I'd be insulting him by quitting on what I've seen. Here's the misunderstanding, the Browns wouldn't be going broke because of Nick Chubb. It would be from the crack pipe the owner keeps using on how to invest in a franchise QB. This owner would have cut Josh Allen during the early learning curve and growing pains. He's clearly not wired to get it but those that prefer to look at profit margins to define business success would argue I'm wrong. That said, what owner of the 32 isn't benefitting from the shared revenue coming from Sunday Ticket monopoly?
Here's the thing, a lot of people assumed at the UGA he was either done or coming back at a best case scenario of 50% of a great memory. And what happened? And more important - why? "Thy will be done only if thy will be strong!" This is where this guy wins.
Tom's/Ghoolie's points would be applicable to a lot of people. Here's the thing, if you sat a lot of people in a room years ago and said "I'm gonna take solid and liquid waste and turn it all into water everyone can drink" they'd think you're bat shit nuts. Guess what? It took the right mind and the right will to slap all the naysayers upside the head to show the world you can reclaim drinking water with Reverse Osmosis.
Your very overcaffeinated buddy Flugel still believes Nick Chubb can be our Reverse Osmosis. He's already done it once in the SEC. This ain't a normal guy we're talking about so I feel like I'd be insulting him by quitting on what I've seen. Here's the the misunderstanding, the Browns wouldn't be going broke because of Nick Chubb. It would be from the crack pipe the owner keeps using on how to invest in a franchise QB. This owner would have cut Josh Allen during the early learning curve and growing pains. He's clearly not wired to get it but those that prefer to look at profit margins to define business success would argue I'm wrong. That said, what owner of the 32 isn't benefitting from the shared revenue coming from Sunday Ticket monopoly?
Great points @flugel.
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@horse-balls said:
This is why Andrew Berry makes the decisions and you wake up in your own urine.
Ah.....I am more than happy to compare financials to Andrew Berry. Any time you want to compare your CV, just let me know
Despite that, Berry has not exactly been successful, has he? He is to NFL team managers what Watson is to quarterbacks.
The average running back craps out at 28-29. Chubb is 28 and in addition to normal wear and tear had his leg FUBAR.
It appears that he is not going to return until week 8 or 9?
This classifies him in the same utility category as Deshaun Watson. Sitting on his ass for a year and a half.
A young healthy man with an injury and 18 months off isn't just going to get off the bench and be at the top of his game.
Instead of moving forward with fresh legs and a new offense, the Browns decided to stand pat and put in a place card until Chubb shows up.
You have to be a jackoff if you think this guy is ever going to be close to what he was. He will milk the Browns for salary and sentimentality for 2024, then retire. Just watch.
Ah.....I am more than happy to compare financials to Andrew Berry
Andrew Berry has more money than you.
He's also smarter, better looking, more educated, friendlier, funnier, and more interesting at cocktail parties than you.
And if he decided to play a musical instrument he would probably be better than you at that. Your tiny Trump-like Vienna-sausage fingers cannot be a plus in that department.
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Ghoolie, your thought process on this is an example of why many wealthy owners fail when they purchase professional teams. They don't run exactly like a corporate business.
In your story of having to fire yourself as CEO, the actual parallel is the Browns not cutting Chubb, but redoing his contract at lesser rate, with performance escalators, and still being only for this year. It's a move more tied to allowing future success. But instead of being about future funding/revenue, its about future dealings with their own FAs, FAs they try to sign, dealing with agents, and even coaches.
The only things not cutting Chubb did is cost money and some salary cap space. Neither of which are actual problems for the organization
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6 years ago while the keynote at a water event a Ph.D approached me with an invention. He pyrolyzed rice husks in a way that enabled them to remove heavy metals from water.
He asked for help, I did my due diligence and we formed a corporation.
It came time to raise capital and I appointed someone else as CEO. I did so because he was connected and had raised funding for many successful corporations. He put me in front of some powerful guys, like Fred Smith and Pitt Hyde. We secured $2.8 million in funding from some very powerful entities.
Along the way, we discovered that our product was not that thunderous in water.
We discovered however, that when used in cement it sequestered carbon, provided carbon credits for buyers, reduced biomass, and made cement stronger.
It was an instant hit with the Climate change crowd. Unfortunatelty my scientific discipline finds climate change to be total nonsense.
The dilemma then? How could we proceed when the founder, me, spoke and wrote against what the company was going to pursue?
Simple, I needed to be fired.
the next threebyears were tough. However, after selling off all its assets, today the company secured $21 million to build a green plant in California and has entities knocking down the door to buy our energy and cement/soil enhancing products. Barrons' predicted we will have a buyer in the $350 - 500 MM range within 3 years.
I had lunch today with the CEO, who is my dear friend, and offering me help on my new venture.
Hard to fire Chubb? Try firing yourself!
When I apponted someone else CEO my friends and wife couldn't believe it. Was I a beta? No.
This product was never MY dream. My skills put it together and launched it. As it changed, it bored the fuck out of me..With me as the CEO, the company would have died. Now, my stock interest has life and I am launching my own dream and a book.
Really long story short. People who make decision based on feelings, sentiment and loyalty, generally don't move the Earth.
If I owned the Browns, I would have cut Chubb before he was carted off. He is 28 and has had two major injuries on his knee.
Will he come back?
He will never give back to the Browns from now, going forward what was sucked out of them with him being hurt.
Chubb is a feel good story? Sure, but what does that get you?
Every week since he was gone a big part of the weekly talk has been "wait until Chubb gets back".
Life is lived today. Opportunity knocks now, not tomorrow.
The Browns don't make business decisions. They make emotional/political decisions. Flacco is gone because why? He is too different than Watson? Yeah, he motivated the team and fans, and he won. What kind of fucked up logic lets that energy get away?
Just remember this. Should Cubb be delayed in his return, not be his old self, or worse, get hurt again, it will be devastating to the moral of the entire franchise.
His potential downsides bury his potential upsides. Football, life, is more than analytics and Xs and Os.
We will see what happens, but regardless of how he comes back, Chubb should have been released and the team should have found a new plow horse.
I'm okay admitting that I know you're right and that in this instance - Chubb, 28, two major knee injuries - I'm hopeful that Chubb is the statistical outlier.
I'm okay admitting that I know you're right and that in this instance - Chubb, 28, two major knee injuries - I'm hopeful that Chubb is the statistical outlier.
Bro, the thing is, I like Chubb. The Browns have a history of great RBs, and not just JB, The Pruitts, Bon Scott Kelly, Mitchell, and even Calvin Hill were crowd pleasers. Chubb is of that caliber.
I also hope I am full of shit on this one. The issue I have is that the Browns don't make football decisions.
Watson had nothing to do with football and everything to do with Dee Haslam's influence in forcing diversity/DEI shit.
Who spends 235 million knowing that your guy is going to be on ice for a year? Who puts their running game on hold for more than a year because of sentiment?
There is simply no logic to this.
I think it takes a lot of discipline and eye on the prize thinking to win a championship. These decisions are antithetical to building a winner.
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Ghoolie, your thought process on this is an example of why many wealthy owners fail when they purchase professional teams. They don't run exactly like a corporate business.
In your story of having to fire yourself as CEO, the actual parallel is the Browns not cutting Chubb, but redoing his contract at lesser rate, with performance escalators, and still being only for this year. It's a move more tied to allowing future success. But instead of being about future funding/revenue, its about future dealings with their own FAs, FAs they try to sign, dealing with agents, and even coaches.
The only things not cutting Chubb did is cost money and some salary cap space. Neither of which are actual problems for the organization
Ghoolie, your thought process on this is an example of why many wealthy owners fail when they purchase professional teams. They don't run exactly like a corporate business.
In your story of having to fire yourself as CEO, the actual parallel is the Browns not cutting Chubb, but redoing his contract at lesser rate, with performance escalators, and still being only for this year. It's a move more tied to allowing future success. But instead of being about future funding/revenue, its about future dealings with their own FAs, FAs they try to sign, dealing with agents, and even coaches.
The only things not cutting Chubb did is cost money and some salary cap space. Neither of which are actual problems for the organization
So tell me, what corporations and successful business ventures have you launched that you have wisdom as to offer analysis on this?
The ONLY reason so many wealthy men "fail" at owning a team, or at new business ventures, is because they take huge risks.
Each year, arithmetic gives an owner AT best, a 1 in 32 chance of winning a SB. However, when you add in the differences player quality, those odds could be aslow as 1 in 1,000.
Each new season, the odds start.again at 1/32 AT Best.
Your analysis has a major flaw, and it is a common flaw for people who are not entrepreneurial risk takers. And I don't mean To be rude or condescending.
You are a fan. You mistakenly think that all 32 owners are driven to win a Super Bowl. You mistakenly assume that all 32 owners love football.
Such is not the case.
Did you ever notice that some teams, like the Browns since 1999, are constantly perennial non-threats to win a Superbowl?
For 80% of NFL owners winning is not their primary reason for owning a team.
The NFL renumeration system is set up so that even the shittiest teams reward the Owner with wealth very close to the better teams.
The overwhelming majority of NFL owners are fans innate only and couldn't give a shit about winning or losing.
I PROMISE YOU, a billionaire doesn't give many fucks about fans being upset. His revenue is steady and he can always fire people and concierge that fans that "FINALLY, FINALLY, FINALLY" we have the right team in place.
Jerry Jones is a fans' owner. Modell was too. They were fans who cared about winning. Lerner? Haslam? Are you nuts?
You say the reason so many wealthy people are failures? Listen to yourself,
Seriously, again I am not trying to be rude, but, "the reason so many wealthy people are failures?"
Owners, Venture Capitalists, Entrepreneus take risk for one reason and one reason only, to make more money?
Does an owner want a championship and that limelight? Sure.
But not anymore than wishing the young, big-titted arm candy wife you have has a high IQ.
Fans think that billionaires are one of them....they aren't.
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Ah.....I am more than happy to compare financials to Andrew Berry
Andrew Berry has more money than you.
He's also smarter, better looking, more educated, friendlier, funnier, and more interesting at cocktail parties than you.
And if he decided to play a musical instrument he would probably be better than you at that. Your tiny Trump-like Vienna-sausage fingers cannot be a plus in that department.
@horse-balls said:
Andrew Berry has more money than you.
He's also smarter, better looking, more educated, friendlier, funnier, and more interesting at cocktail parties than you.
And if he decided to play a musical instrument he would probably be better than you at that. Your tiny Trump-like Vienna-sausage fingers cannot be a plus in that department.
I can buy him 3 times over. Go research my patents, you simpleton. That alone puts Berry at my feet.
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I'm okay admitting that I know you're right and that in this instance - Chubb, 28, two major knee injuries - I'm hopeful that Chubb is the statistical outlier.
Here's the thing, a lot of people assumed at the UGA he was either done or coming back at a best case scenario of 50% of a great memory. And what happened? And more important - why? "Thy will be done only if thy will be strong!" This is where this guy wins.
Tom's/Ghoolie's points would be applicable to a lot of people. Here's the thing, if you sat a lot of people in a room years ago and said "I'm gonna take solid and liquid waste and turn it all into water everyone can drink" they'd think you're bat shit nuts. Guess what? It took the right mind and the right will to slap all the naysayers upside the head to show the world you can reclaim drinking water with Reverse Osmosis.
Your very overcaffeinated buddy Flugel still believes Nick Chubb can be our Reverse Osmosis. He's already done it once in the SEC. This ain't a normal guy we're talking about so I feel like I'd be insulting him by quitting on what I've seen. Here's the misunderstanding, the Browns wouldn't be going broke because of Nick Chubb. It would be from the crack pipe the owner keeps using on how to invest in a franchise QB. This owner would have cut Josh Allen during the early learning curve and growing pains. He's clearly not wired to get it but those that prefer to look at profit margins to define business success would argue I'm wrong. That said, what owner of the 32 isn't benefitting from the shared revenue coming from Sunday Ticket monopoly?
Here's the thing, a lot of people assumed at the UGA he was either done or coming back at a best case scenario of 50% of a great memory. And what happened? And more important - why? "Thy will be done only if thy will be strong!" This is where this guy wins.
Tom's/Ghoolie's points would be applicable to a lot of people. Here's the thing, if you sat a lot of people in a room years ago and said "I'm gonna take solid and liquid waste and turn it all into water everyone can drink" they'd think you're bat shit nuts. Guess what? It took the right mind and the right will to slap all the naysayers upside the head to show the world you can reclaim drinking water with Reverse Osmosis.
Your very overcaffeinated buddy Flugel still believes Nick Chubb can be our Reverse Osmosis. He's already done it once in the SEC. This ain't a normal guy we're talking about so I feel like I'd be insulting him by quitting on what I've seen. Here's the misunderstanding, the Browns wouldn't be going broke because of Nick Chubb. It would be from the crack pipe the owner keeps using on how to invest in a franchise QB. This owner would have cut Josh Allen during the early learning curve and growing pains. He's clearly not wired to get it but those that prefer to look at profit margins to define business success would argue I'm wrong. That said, what owner of the 32 isn't benefitting from the shared revenue coming from Sunday Ticket monopoly?
Tom, if anyone can overcome such things, Chubb is as good of a bet as any. One of the reasons we love sports is because of the unexpected.
As much as a pragmatic I am, I am at least stil open to the possibility that we hit a jackpot. We sure are overdue.
Do you think the Browns signing fresh legs has any relevance to Chubbs' current outlook?
I think it does. Having a second back banged up certainly comes into play, but I personally think it is more than that.
Keeping an eye out for penalties and mistakes tomorrow. Let's see if they clean that mess up.
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Here's the thing, a lot of people assumed at the UGA he was either done or coming back at a best case scenario of 50% of a great memory. And what happened? And more important - why? "Thy will be done only if thy will be strong!" This is where this guy wins.
Tom's/Ghoolie's points would be applicable to a lot of people. Here's the thing, if you sat a lot of people in a room years ago and said "I'm gonna take solid and liquid waste and turn it all into water everyone can drink" they'd think you're bat shit nuts. Guess what? It took the right mind and the right will to slap all the naysayers upside the head to show the world you can reclaim drinking water with Reverse Osmosis.
Your very overcaffeinated buddy Flugel still believes Nick Chubb can be our Reverse Osmosis. He's already done it once in the SEC. This ain't a normal guy we're talking about so I feel like I'd be insulting him by quitting on what I've seen. Here's the misunderstanding, the Browns wouldn't be going broke because of Nick Chubb. It would be from the crack pipe the owner keeps using on how to invest in a franchise QB. This owner would have cut Josh Allen during the early learning curve and growing pains. He's clearly not wired to get it but those that prefer to look at profit margins to define business success would argue I'm wrong. That said, what owner of the 32 isn't benefitting from the shared revenue coming from Sunday Ticket monopoly?
Tom, if anyone can overcome such things, Chubb is as good of a bet as any. One of the reasons we love sports is because of the unexpected.
As much as a pragmatic I am, I am at least stil open to the possibility that we hit a jackpot. We sure are overdue.
Do you think the Browns signing fresh legs has any relevance to Chubbs' current outlook?
I think it does. Having a second back banged up certainly comes into play, but I personally think it is more than that.
Keeping an eye out for penalties and mistakes tomorrow. Let's see if they clean that mess up.
Tom, if anyone can overcome such things, Chubb is as good of a bet as any. One of the reasons we love sports is because of the unexpected.
As much as a pragmatic I am, I am at least stil open to the possibility that we hit a jackpot. We sure are overdue.
Do you think the Browns signing fresh legs has any relevance to Chubbs' current outlook?
I think it does. Having a second back banged up certainly comes into play, but I personally think it is more than that.
Keeping an eye out for penalties and mistakes tomorrow. Let's see if they clean that mess up.
I think signing fresh legs at RB is a reflection of what is here at the RB position today and over the next 5-6 weeks. Let's start with a "that's what she said" in saying I want a guy that hits the hole REAL GOOD! I'm not seeing Foreman looking as powerful as they projected him to be. On top of that, he got injured twice in the preseason - once in training camp and once vrs Seattle. I never know what version of Ford we're gonna see from 1 play to the next. If we could get healthy starts from Conklin and Jones at the tackle spots - they're great run blockers. The fall off to the backups perpetuates the yellow flags were seeing. Ifedi started off as an OT in this league and I got the impression his last team saw him better fit to play OG. Hudson gets flagged whether he's playing RT or LT.
Former Cleveland Brown RB - D'Ernest Johnson looked pretty good against his old team last week. I think he'd probably give us more consistency than anyone the Browns are currently counting on at the position. Interestingly enough, the only reason he got game reps last week was because their 2nd RB Tank Bigsby got injured on STs and didn't return until much later in the game. We could probably get him here for a 7th round pick or 2 given what we're counting on today. This is only week 3 if the plan for Chubb is a best case scenario of week 8 or 9. If anyone is thinking you don't want to do something like this - the SF 49ers had the best in the business QB Joe Montana and they didn't hesitate to go add Steve Young from the NFL's version of Hell for young QBs. The alternative would have been to worry about Joe Montana's feelings instead of reminding him this business is all about competing regardless of who you are. Not that competing was ever an issue for Montana the same way it has never been a problem with Chubb. Can the Browns afford this type of running game we're seeing for 5-6 more weeks?
I DO know this. The Jets drafted a 20 year old RB that played for Wisconsin that is 6'1" 236 lbs that moves the piles (Braelon Allen). They got him in the 4th round. For anyone thinking the Browns shouldn't be drafting any RBs - this is a position where there's been countless great RBs drafted in round 4 over the years.
This is where the Watson trade is impacting us. When injuries unfold and older players like Bitonio are getting closer to retiring - we need picks in all 7 rounds. Unfortunately, the reality is no teams get all their picks right. And Conklin, who they invested a ton of money in - has been injured multiple times. That said, they gave him a contract extension in the off-season last year only on see him on IR by week 2. The Browns were so busy trying to patch up what sunk their ship in 2022 (Defensive Line) - they gave a lot of their attention and focus to bringing veterans here that could stop the run. They did really well with it too. They also added a 3 time Pro Bowl edge rusher Za'Darius Smith who could also kick inside if needed to give themselves another pass rush threat besides Garrett.
It'll be interesting to see what unfolds...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I don't believe the original poster was very eloquent but he's basically right. Look at the RB we're playing today, Singletary. He ripped us a new one in the playoff game last year, and he's going to hurt us again today.
How expensive was Singletary? Why can't we have a dude like him? We have Ford, a decent guy but nobody special, and Foreman. Oh, and Pierre "Forever Hurt" Strong. Our RB room is a joke, but it's not because of Chubb, it's because of Berry.
Look around the league, there are decent RBs available for a song. Nobody is talking about it, but we should have lost the Jacksonville game. Why? Foreman fumbled on the one yard line and it miraculously bounced back to him. Our only TD of the game was a miracle and it's because we had a 7th round young RB carrying the ball. Next play? Watson keeper. Which is just GREAT when your QB is recovering from SHOULDER SURGERY.
As far as Chubb's ability and tread on the tires? I have no clue. Many people forget he had a similar injury in college. He would have been a top ten pick in the draft, and not behind Sony Michelle (remember him?) if not for the awful knee injury in college. So Chubb has another awful injury, somehow worse than the first one. Well, he looked pretty good after the first one, maybe that's the case here. 80% Chubb is better than most RBs in the league and it's a helluva better than any ditrits on our team.
In short, our RB issues are Berry's fault. He didn't draft another OT in the draft, he instead drafted a DT who almost shot someone with our highest pick in two years all because he traded away our future for a game manager QB. All this KNOWING Conklin and Wills had major knee surgery AND Dawand Jones will ALWAYS be hurt. So we can't run it because our Tackles suck. Maybe that changes when we get them back, but Wills wasn't great to begin with.
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I don't believe the original poster was very eloquent but he's basically right. Look at the RB we're playing today, Singletary. He ripped us a new one in the playoff game last year, and he's going to hurt us again today.
How expensive was Singletary? Why can't we have a dude like him? We have Ford, a decent guy but nobody special, and Foreman. Oh, and Pierre "Forever Hurt" Strong. Our RB room is a joke, but it's not because of Chubb, it's because of Berry.
Look around the league, there are decent RBs available for a song. Nobody is talking about it, but we should have lost the Jacksonville game. Why? Foreman fumbled on the one yard line and it miraculously bounced back to him. Our only TD of the game was a miracle and it's because we had a 7th round young RB carrying the ball. Next play? Watson keeper. Which is just GREAT when your QB is recovering from SHOULDER SURGERY.
As far as Chubb's ability and tread on the tires? I have no clue. Many people forget he had a similar injury in college. He would have been a top ten pick in the draft, and not behind Sony Michelle (remember him?) if not for the awful knee injury in college. So Chubb has another awful injury, somehow worse than the first one. Well, he looked pretty good after the first one, maybe that's the case here. 80% Chubb is better than most RBs in the league and it's a helluva better than any ditrits on our team.
In short, our RB issues are Berry's fault. He didn't draft another OT in the draft, he instead drafted a DT who almost shot someone with our highest pick in two years all because he traded away our future for a game manager QB. All this KNOWING Conklin and Wills had major knee surgery AND Dawand Jones will ALWAYS be hurt. So we can't run it because our Tackles suck. Maybe that changes when we get them back, but Wills wasn't great to begin with.
I don't believe the original poster was very eloquent but he's basically right. Look at the RB we're playing today, Singletary. He ripped us a new one in the playoff game last year, and he's going to hurt us again today.
How expensive was Singletary? Why can't we have a dude like him? We have Ford, a decent guy but nobody special, and Foreman. Oh, and Pierre "Forever Hurt" Strong. Our RB room is a joke, but it's not because of Chubb, it's because of Berry.
Look around the league, there are decent RBs available for a song. Nobody is talking about it, but we should have lost the Jacksonville game. Why? Foreman fumbled on the one yard line and it miraculously bounced back to him. Our only TD of the game was a miracle and it's because we had a 7th round young RB carrying the ball. Next play? Watson keeper. Which is just GREAT when your QB is recovering from SHOULDER SURGERY.
As far as Chubb's ability and tread on the tires? I have no clue. Many people forget he had a similar injury in college. He would have been a top ten pick in the draft, and not behind Sony Michelle (remember him?) if not for the awful knee injury in college. So Chubb has another awful injury, somehow worse than the first one. Well, he looked pretty good after the first one, maybe that's the case here. 80% Chubb is better than most RBs in the league and it's a helluva better than any ditrits on our team.
In short, our RB issues are Berry's fault. He didn't draft another OT in the draft, he instead drafted a DT who almost shot someone with our highest pick in two years all because he traded away our future for a game manager QB. All this KNOWING Conklin and Wills had major knee surgery AND Dawand Jones will ALWAYS be hurt. So we can't run it because our Tackles suck. Maybe that changes when we get them back, but Wills wasn't great to begin with.
Jiggs, take a look at the 20 year old RB Braelon Allen the Jets drafted in the 4th round out of Wisconsin. He's 6-1 236 lbs and moves the pile. I saw a clip of him doing power cleans with a lot of weight on the bar. Since I drafted Breece Hall in my FF draft - I drafted his back-up in the last round. That said, I read up on him before the draft. The kid is a stud!
Now to Chubb. The only fans in here that didn't know Chubb blew his knee out in college probably learned it when he was drafted by the Browns. Even if we had a couple ostriches that sneaked into the Dawg Pound - even they probably learned it when he injured his knee last year.
Anyway, this was Chubb's career at the UGA:
Year G ATT Yards TD Long YPC YPG
2014 13 219 1547 14 83 7.1 119.0 2015 6 92 747 7 83 8.1 124.5 2016 13 224 1130 8 55 5.0 86.9 2017 15 223 1345 15 55 6.0 89.7 This is Sony Michel's career at the UGA & thank God Chubb's buddy was also a great RB that was just as unselfish about sharing the work load. It benefitted both guys.
Year G ATT Yards TD Long YPC YPG
2014 8 64 410 5 75 6.4 51.2 2015 13 219 1161 8 66 5.3 89.3 2016 12 152 840 4 42 5.5 70.0 2017 14 156 1227 16 75 7.9 87.6 -
Tom, if anyone can overcome such things, Chubb is as good of a bet as any. One of the reasons we love sports is because of the unexpected.
As much as a pragmatic I am, I am at least stil open to the possibility that we hit a jackpot. We sure are overdue.
Do you think the Browns signing fresh legs has any relevance to Chubbs' current outlook?
I think it does. Having a second back banged up certainly comes into play, but I personally think it is more than that.
Keeping an eye out for penalties and mistakes tomorrow. Let's see if they clean that mess up.
I think signing fresh legs at RB is a reflection of what is here at the RB position today and over the next 5-6 weeks. Let's start with a "that's what she said" in saying I want a guy that hits the hole REAL GOOD! I'm not seeing Foreman looking as powerful as they projected him to be. On top of that, he got injured twice in the preseason - once in training camp and once vrs Seattle. I never know what version of Ford we're gonna see from 1 play to the next. If we could get healthy starts from Conklin and Jones at the tackle spots - they're great run blockers. The fall off to the backups perpetuates the yellow flags were seeing. Ifedi started off as an OT in this league and I got the impression his last team saw him better fit to play OG. Hudson gets flagged whether he's playing RT or LT.
Former Cleveland Brown RB - D'Ernest Johnson looked pretty good against his old team last week. I think he'd probably give us more consistency than anyone the Browns are currently counting on at the position. Interestingly enough, the only reason he got game reps last week was because their 2nd RB Tank Bigsby got injured on STs and didn't return until much later in the game. We could probably get him here for a 7th round pick or 2 given what we're counting on today. This is only week 3 if the plan for Chubb is a best case scenario of week 8 or 9. If anyone is thinking you don't want to do something like this - the SF 49ers had the best in the business QB Joe Montana and they didn't hesitate to go add Steve Young from the NFL's version of Hell for young QBs. The alternative would have been to worry about Joe Montana's feelings instead of reminding him this business is all about competing regardless of who you are. Not that competing was ever an issue for Montana the same way it has never been a problem with Chubb. Can the Browns afford this type of running game we're seeing for 5-6 more weeks?
I DO know this. The Jets drafted a 20 year old RB that played for Wisconsin that is 6'1" 236 lbs that moves the piles (Braelon Allen). They got him in the 4th round. For anyone thinking the Browns shouldn't be drafting any RBs - this is a position where there's been countless great RBs drafted in round 4 over the years.
This is where the Watson trade is impacting us. When injuries unfold and older players like Bitonio are getting closer to retiring - we need picks in all 7 rounds. Unfortunately, the reality is no teams get all their picks right. And Conklin, who they invested a ton of money in - has been injured multiple times. That said, they gave him a contract extension in the off-season last year only on see him on IR by week 2. The Browns were so busy trying to patch up what sunk their ship in 2022 (Defensive Line) - they gave a lot of their attention and focus to bringing veterans here that could stop the run. They did really well with it too. They also added a 3 time Pro Bowl edge rusher Za'Darius Smith who could also kick inside if needed to give themselves another pass rush threat besides Garrett.
It'll be interesting to see what unfolds...
I think signing fresh legs at RB is a reflection of what is here at the RB position today and over the next 5-6 weeks. Let's start with a "that's what she said" in saying I want a guy that hits the hole REAL GOOD! I'm not seeing Foreman looking as powerful as they projected him to be. On top of that, he got injured twice in the preseason - once in training camp and once vrs Seattle. I never know what version of Ford we're gonna see from 1 play to the next. If we could get healthy starts from Conklin and Jones at the tackle spots - they're great run blockers. The fall off to the backups perpetuates the yellow flags were seeing. Ifedi started off as an OT in this league and I got the impression his last team saw him better fit to play OG. Hudson gets flagged whether he's playing RT or LT.
Former Cleveland Brown RB - D'Ernest Johnson looked pretty good against his old team last week. I think he'd probably give us more consistency than anyone the Browns are currently counting on at the position. Interestingly enough, the only reason he got game reps last week was because their 2nd RB Tank Bigsby got injured on STs and didn't return until much later in the game. We could probably get him here for a 7th round pick or 2 given what we're counting on today. This is only week 3 if the plan for Chubb is a best case scenario of week 8 or 9. If anyone is thinking you don't want to do something like this - the SF 49ers had the best in the business QB Joe Montana and they didn't hesitate to go add Steve Young from the NFL's version of Hell for young QBs. The alternative would have been to worry about Joe Montana's feelings instead of reminding him this business is all about competing regardless of who you are. Not that competing was ever an issue for Montana the same way it has never been a problem with Chubb. Can the Browns afford this type of running game we're seeing for 5-6 more weeks?
I DO know this. The Jets drafted a 20 year old RB that played for Wisconsin that is 6'1" 236 lbs that moves the piles (Braelon Allen). They got him in the 4th round. For anyone thinking the Browns shouldn't be drafting any RBs - this is a position where there's been countless great RBs drafted in round 4 over the years.
This is where the Watson trade is impacting us. When injuries unfold and older players like Bitonio are getting closer to retiring - we need picks in all 7 rounds. Unfortunately, the reality is no teams get all their picks right. And Conklin, who they invested a ton of money in - has been injured multiple times. That said, they gave him a contract extension in the off-season last year only on see him on IR by week 2. The Browns were so busy trying to patch up what sunk their ship in 2022 (Defensive Line) - they gave a lot of their attention and focus to bringing veterans here that could stop the run. They did really well with it too. They also added a 3 time Pro Bowl edge rusher Za'Darius Smith who could also kick inside if needed to give themselves another pass rush threat besides Garrett.
It'll be interesting to see what unfolds...
Impressive take, Tom. Mine is more big picture.
*Running game is crucial
*Chubb gets hurt badly, and not for the first time
*Chubb is 28 and battle worn.
* Browns don't protect themselves and plan for the worst.
*Today
While we longingly and hopefully await for Chubbs' return, the offense has no running threat.
Again, if I owned the Browns, I would have placed Chubb in a position where I could still benefit if he came back, but the entire running focus would have shifted away from him. I just don't see an upside to Chubb.
We will see what happens.
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Well time to put my usual 2 cents worth in on passing up indestructible RB D. Henry who at age 30 today currently against Dallas has 2 TDs 159 yds with a quarter to go. Who'd we take? the forgetable WR Coleman and then Ogbah. Yep, I'm still mad at the stupid f'ing Browns for not taking that guy.
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Life is tough. Business is tough. Sentimentality is the enemy of both.
I would have cut Nick Chubb at the end of his injury season. His age, wear and tear, and the injury have made him lesser.
Argue all you want but time and anatomy always win. I have never seen anyone win this battle.
The Cliff's notes version. Waiting for him has put the entire team at a disadvantage. We don't have a running game. Because of Chubb.
Cabot says week 8 or 9, maybe? Please call me whatever you may but this fucking guy isn't just going to step in and be his formal self
Take a lion out of the jungle for a year then then release him back into the jungle. He will.get overwhelmed.
Keeping Chubb and not finding younger legs is a blunder second only to the Watson Blunder.
Life is tough. Business is tough. Sentimentality is the enemy of both.
I would have cut Nick Chubb at the end of his injury season. His age, wear and tear, and the injury have made him lesser.
Argue all you want but time and anatomy always win. I have never seen anyone win this battle.
The Cliff's notes version. Waiting for him has put the entire team at a disadvantage. We don't have a running game. Because of Chubb.
Cabot says week 8 or 9, maybe? Please call me whatever you may but this fucking guy isn't just going to step in and be his formal self
Take a lion out of the jungle for a year then then release him back into the jungle. He will.get overwhelmed.
Keeping Chubb and not finding younger legs is a blunder second only to the Watson Blunder.
I don't think keeping him was a blunder. He is on IR, so he isn't clogging up a roster slot. I guess he took a spot on the training camp roster but I don't see that as a biggie.
I do agree that him being able to come back anywhere near where he was is pretty darn slim. Age alone says the chances of him slipping were pretty good even without the injury.
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