Dream A Little Dream With Me
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I have not watched both games so I would love to be corrected. Amari Cooper looks disenfranchised. I have seen the plays in the last two games where the football has hit him in the hands and he didn't make the catch. I also noticed in the highlights that it seems like he's not sprinting on his routes.
Maybe it's me. I hope I'm wrong. Maybe it's Deshaun Watson, but (2 games in) he doesn't look like the Amari Cooper I'm used to seeing.
I'm sensing some disappointment from him toward the front office in terms of the FO only thinking "you're this age and sorry pal this is the best we in this league do for vets in your situation. We know it stinks..." Okay, this is a 2 way street. What from that would stop Amari from thinking why should I put it on the line in traffic if they're right and nobody wants a guy next year that gets injured willing to catch the ball in traffic this year for a team I only have 3-4 months left with? Almost makes me wonder what's in store from a guy that has otherwise been pretty much the ultimate professional here before 2024. Am I off-base here? I could be. We'll see...
I'm sensing some disappointment from him toward the front office in terms of the FO only thinking "you're this age and sorry pal this is the best we in this league do for vets in your situation. We know it stinks..." Okay, this is a 2 way street. What from that would stop Amari from thinking why should I put it on the line in traffic if they're right and nobody wants a guy next year that gets injured willing to catch the ball in traffic this year for a team I only have 3-4 months left with? Almost makes me wonder what's in store from a guy that has otherwise been pretty much the ultimate professional here before 2024. Am I off-base here? I could be. We'll see...
I think we would have to track Cooper on every pass play to see if he has been getting open, but DW just does not throw it there with a few exceptions. Just maybe he gets tired of being open and left to have the ball thrown elsewhere or just not thrown at all. If I were a receiver of his caliber, I'd be plenty discouraged if that were the case. Let's see if that is or is not the case or if in meetings AC gets listened to by staff & DW to set things on a better path for all concerned. I'd certainly be voicing it to the Receivers coach and QB coach as well as DW in person.
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Thanks for accumulating this list @dutch-oven. I follow teams more than players and the portal has made that a bit of a nightmare as I recognize the names you've posted, just couldn't necessarily generate them on my own.
The sooner the Browns start looking for a QB, the less pressure will be on them to find a QB. I am not educated enough to say, of the QBs you've listed, who will or will not be good NFL QBs, my concern lies in what comes up in nearly every QB topic on this board: does the QB's skills fit Stefanski's offense?
I'm not ready to start over with another rookie QB-new HC combo.
But I am a strong proponent of the Browns beginning the search for their next QB1.
Some of these young guys come from great programs surrounded with great talent dating back as far as high school. For example, Bryce Young started at Cathedral High School before a power house program at Mater Dei High School recruited him away. Then he went to Alabama so he could be drafted 1st overall by the Carolina Panthers and...
Jimmy is not going to be one that admits he made a mistake here; so unless divine intervention plays lifeguard here - I'm gonna hold off on wasting time all the QB draft prospects stuff. I'm 60 years old so I've done all that countless times. Keep in mind, this entire organization is still trying to find the right playbook for Watson was we speak in year #3. The easiest question to ask before making a decision on a QB is WHY do you want him? What makes him your gotta have? Then you put the things in place that enables all that.
Some of these young guys come from great programs surrounded with great talent dating back as far as high school. For example, Bryce Young started at Cathedral High School before a power house program at Mater Dei High School recruited him away. Then he went to Alabama so he could be drafted 1st overall by the Carolina Panthers and...
Jimmy is not going to be one that admits he made a mistake here; so unless divine intervention plays lifeguard here - I'm gonna hold off on wasting time all the QB draft prospects stuff. I'm 60 years old so I've done all that countless times. Keep in mind, this entire organization is still trying to find the right playbook for Watson was we speak in year #3. The easiest question to ask before making a decision on a QB is WHY do you want him? What makes him your gotta have? Then you put the things in place that enables all that.
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I'm sensing some disappointment from him toward the front office in terms of the FO only thinking "you're this age and sorry pal this is the best we in this league do for vets in your situation. We know it stinks..." Okay, this is a 2 way street. What from that would stop Amari from thinking why should I put it on the line in traffic if they're right and nobody wants a guy next year that gets injured willing to catch the ball in traffic this year for a team I only have 3-4 months left with? Almost makes me wonder what's in store from a guy that has otherwise been pretty much the ultimate professional here before 2024. Am I off-base here? I could be. We'll see...
I think we would have to track Cooper on every pass play to see if he has been getting open, but DW just does not throw it there with a few exceptions. Just maybe he gets tired of being open and left to have the ball thrown elsewhere or just not thrown at all. If I were a receiver of his caliber, I'd be plenty discouraged if that were the case. Let's see if that is or is not the case or if in meetings AC gets listened to by staff & DW to set things on a better path for all concerned. I'd certainly be voicing it to the Receivers coach and QB coach as well as DW in person.
I think we would have to track Cooper on every pass play to see if he has been getting open, but DW just does not throw it there with a few exceptions. Just maybe he gets tired of being open and left to have the ball thrown elsewhere or just not thrown at all. If I were a receiver of his caliber, I'd be plenty discouraged if that were the case. Let's see if that is or is not the case or if in meetings AC gets listened to by staff & DW to set things on a better path for all concerned. I'd certainly be voicing it to the Receivers coach and QB coach as well as DW in person.
Maybe a lot of all that Aggies.
I went and got some of Cooper's stats from a pretty good year with us in 2023. These are 5 of the 6 games that Watson started (these are the ones he finished too):
9/10 Cin 7 targets 3 receptions 37 yards 0 TD
9/18 Pitt 10 targets 7 receptions 90 yards 0 TD
9/24 Tenn 8 targets 7 receptions 116 yards 1 TD
11/5 Ariz 5 targets 5 receptions 139 yards 1 TD
11/12 Balt 9 targets 6 receptions 98 yards 0 TD
As you can see - another slow start in the opener but the Browns won 24-3 vrs Cincy. But, nothing really spectacular.
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I have not watched both games so I would love to be corrected. Amari Cooper looks disenfranchised. I have seen the plays in the last two games where the football has hit him in the hands and he didn't make the catch. I also noticed in the highlights that it seems like he's not sprinting on his routes.
Maybe it's me. I hope I'm wrong. Maybe it's Deshaun Watson, but (2 games in) he doesn't look like the Amari Cooper I'm used to seeing.
I'm sensing some disappointment from him toward the front office in terms of the FO only thinking "you're this age and sorry pal this is the best we in this league do for vets in your situation. We know it stinks..." Okay, this is a 2 way street. What from that would stop Amari from thinking why should I put it on the line in traffic if they're right and nobody wants a guy next year that gets injured willing to catch the ball in traffic this year for a team I only have 3-4 months left with? Almost makes me wonder what's in store from a guy that has otherwise been pretty much the ultimate professional here before 2024. Am I off-base here? I could be. We'll see...
I'm sensing some disappointment from him toward the front office in terms of the FO only thinking "you're this age and sorry pal this is the best we in this league do for vets in your situation. We know it stinks..." Okay, this is a 2 way street. What from that would stop Amari from thinking why should I put it on the line in traffic if they're right and nobody wants a guy next year that gets injured willing to catch the ball in traffic this year for a team I only have 3-4 months left with? Almost makes me wonder what's in store from a guy that has otherwise been pretty much the ultimate professional here before 2024. Am I off-base here? I could be. We'll see...
100% agree.
The "It's a Business" mentality has been accelerated by the increasing salary cap and the skyrocketing testicular gymnastics taking place to move money to signing bonuses, roster bonuses, deferred commitments and annuities.
The Mets and Bobby Bonilla were true pioneers.
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Cam Ward 6'2, 223lbs, University of Miami
Ward is undeniably talented, making some of the hardest throws look effortless. He's a danger as a passer from any platform, inside or outside structure, and can makes throws from almost any angle, like Pat Mahomes. At the same time, Ward's non-traditional playmaking style comes at the cost of traditional pocket operation. (Pro Football Network)
Cam Ward 6'2, 223lbs, University of Miami
Ward is undeniably talented, making some of the hardest throws look effortless. He's a danger as a passer from any platform, inside or outside structure, and can makes throws from almost any angle, like Pat Mahomes. At the same time, Ward's non-traditional playmaking style comes at the cost of traditional pocket operation. (Pro Football Network)
Cam Ward has started off very well with the U, leading them to a 4-0 record and a #7 overall ranking. They play tonight on ESPN vs Virginia Tech, if you want to check him out.
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Kiper's first Big Board just dropped.
Helluva good college football day today, ending with (2) Georgia vs (4) Alabama, unfortunately at the same time (7:30 EST) as the Buckeyes kickoff.
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Cam Ward 6'2, 223lbs, University of Miami
Ward is undeniably talented, making some of the hardest throws look effortless. He's a danger as a passer from any platform, inside or outside structure, and can makes throws from almost any angle, like Pat Mahomes. At the same time, Ward's non-traditional playmaking style comes at the cost of traditional pocket operation. (Pro Football Network)
Cam Ward has started off very well with the U, leading them to a 4-0 record and a #7 overall ranking. They play tonight on ESPN vs Virginia Tech, if you want to check him out.
They play tonight on ESPN vs Virginia Tech, if you want to check him out.
fun game to watch, Tech should had won tho
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They play tonight on ESPN vs Virginia Tech, if you want to check him out.
fun game to watch, Tech should had won tho
fun game to watch, Tech should had won tho
I fell asleep somewhere in the 4th quarter, found out this morning I missed a crazy ending to the game!
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I fell asleep somewhere in the 4th quarter, found out this morning I missed a crazy ending to the game!
and as soon as it ended I switched over to the rutgers game, just in time to see washington miss a FG in regulation to tie the game,Good I hate the huskies
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Milroe putting on a show right now for Bama. 6 for 6 2 TDs
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Milroe and Saban
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Milroe and Saban
No and hell no.
I don't hate Milroe, but I want a pass first guy, not a run first guy who has question marks about his ability to pass in the NFL.
Saban is the same age as my dad.
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Milroe and Saban
No and hell no.
I don't hate Milroe, but I want a pass first guy, not a run first guy who has question marks about his ability to pass in the NFL.
Saban is the same age as my dad.
No and hell no.
I don't hate Milroe, but I want a pass first guy, not a run first guy who has question marks about his ability to pass in the NFL.
Saban is the same age as my dad.
Both are better then what we have now
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No and hell no.
I don't hate Milroe, but I want a pass first guy, not a run first guy who has question marks about his ability to pass in the NFL.
Saban is the same age as my dad.
Both are better then what we have now
Both are better then what we have now
Wait another year to see if A&M's pro-offense QB Conner Weigman continues to play like he did against Mizzou's excellent defense on Saturday. After 4 games off for a shoulder injury he ran that offense to perfection using a mixture of the run game with his "pro level arm". Meanwhile I can only offer a couple of D linemen starting with Nic Scourton who is now seriously approaching Myles Garrett level of play. And like Myles they shift him all along the LOS in any of the 4 positions, though usually one end or the other.
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Both are better then what we have now
Wait another year to see if A&M's pro-offense QB Conner Weigman continues to play like he did against Mizzou's excellent defense on Saturday. After 4 games off for a shoulder injury he ran that offense to perfection using a mixture of the run game with his "pro level arm". Meanwhile I can only offer a couple of D linemen starting with Nic Scourton who is now seriously approaching Myles Garrett level of play. And like Myles they shift him all along the LOS in any of the 4 positions, though usually one end or the other.
Wait another year to see if A&M's pro-offense QB Conner Weigman continues to play like he did against Mizzou's excellent defense on Saturday. After 4 games off for a shoulder injury he ran that offense to perfection using a mixture of the run game with his "pro level arm". Meanwhile I can only offer a couple of D linemen starting with Nic Scourton who is now seriously approaching Myles Garrett level of play. And like Myles they shift him all along the LOS in any of the 4 positions, though usually one end or the other.
Pass on a QB from Texas A&M, forever.
Now, a DE? Then we'll talk. ?
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If Berry and Stefanski survive this season, let me reiterate that if the Browns do indeed pull the trigger on a Quarterback in this upcoming draft, Joe Flacco in many ways should be the template for a QB for Stefanski, not Watson or even Mayfield. (My only hope is the new guy would protect the ball better than Flacco.) A guy who can stand tall in the pocket, read a defense and play under center. RPO QBs need not apply.
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If Berry and Stefanski survive this season, let me reiterate that if the Browns do indeed pull the trigger on a Quarterback in this upcoming draft, Joe Flacco in many ways should be the template for a QB for Stefanski, not Watson or even Mayfield. (My only hope is the new guy would protect the ball better than Flacco.) A guy who can stand tall in the pocket, read a defense and play under center. RPO QBs need not apply.
A guy who can stand tall in the pocket, read a defense and play under center. RPO QBs need not apply.
The Saturday product is delivering fewer and further between on the above described.
If I was (in) an organization, I'd be frustrated in what the NCAA gives the NFL QB-wise.
These RPO QBs come ball out of Rookie contracts, DCs figure them out. The get the second contract, mostly guaranteed, they're banged up and worn out and they're not worth it but are an absolute nightmare financially.
And as bad as DW sucks, the Browns fanbase isn't the only in the NFL frustrated about their QB contract situation.
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Maybe this is the product of the rise of travel baseball in the last decade.
The 6'4" kid throwing gas off the mound used to be the QB on the HS team. Now he plays baseball year 'round and the best athlete left, the kid that's 6'-6'2" is now the QB, where 10+ years ago, he'd have been the RB or LB.
Coincidentally, in this same time span, we've also seen the rise of NFL backed Flag Football. Many believe the game to be going in that direction. Take that for whatever it's worth.
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