The Official Browns at Commanders Game Thread Oct 6th
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Better? Maybe not but who cares. The season is shot. Give us anyone that doesn't sexually assault every woman he comes in contact with so at least we can root for our bad team in good faith.
I can't root for Watson. Can't do it. He's a piece of literal human garbage. I usually don't stand on soapboxes for NFL players knowing that a lot of them are bad people but Watson is really bad people.
Honestly, I can’t or won’t argue with the gist of what you are saying. I get it. My point is I don’t think Winston or DTR would improve the on field performance, but I’m not going to lose any sleep if they sit Watson. What the heck, let’s tank for Beck!
Honestly, I can’t or won’t argue with the gist of what you are saying. I get it. My point is I don’t think Winston or DTR would improve the on field performance, but I’m not going to lose any sleep if they sit Watson. What the heck, let’s tank for Beck!
While Winston or DTR would probably make the offense better, since it's basically impossible for an NFL QB to play worse than Watson (I guess they could do worse in the turnover metric...). They probably have to try it, it may not result in more wins, maybe it does.
In theory, the season isn't technically over since we haven't played any division games yet. So they could try to salvage it which probably requires benching Watson to see if anything changes.
If we don't think it's salvageable then they probably need to just make the tough call and initiate the rebuild - which means trading away the valuable assets like Garrett, Ward, Cooper?, etc. It'll be dark days ahead but if they start that process now they'll be in a much better position to win in the 2026+ post-watson era.
Hopefully the tribe can top Detroit's ace today
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Honestly, I can’t or won’t argue with the gist of what you are saying. I get it. My point is I don’t think Winston or DTR would improve the on field performance, but I’m not going to lose any sleep if they sit Watson. What the heck, let’s tank for Beck!
While Winston or DTR would probably make the offense better, since it's basically impossible for an NFL QB to play worse than Watson (I guess they could do worse in the turnover metric...). They probably have to try it, it may not result in more wins, maybe it does.
In theory, the season isn't technically over since we haven't played any division games yet. So they could try to salvage it which probably requires benching Watson to see if anything changes.
If we don't think it's salvageable then they probably need to just make the tough call and initiate the rebuild - which means trading away the valuable assets like Garrett, Ward, Cooper?, etc. It'll be dark days ahead but if they start that process now they'll be in a much better position to win in the 2026+ post-watson era.
Hopefully the tribe can top Detroit's ace today
While Winston or DTR would probably make the offense better, since it's basically impossible for an NFL QB to play worse than Watson (I guess they could do worse in the turnover metric...). They probably have to try it, it may not result in more wins, maybe it does.
In theory, the season isn't technically over since we haven't played any division games yet. So they could try to salvage it which probably requires benching Watson to see if anything changes.
If we don't think it's salvageable then they probably need to just make the tough call and initiate the rebuild - which means trading away the valuable assets like Garrett, Ward, Cooper?, etc. It'll be dark days ahead but if they start that process now they'll be in a much better position to win in the 2026+ post-watson era.
The tough call needs to be placed. This is the second oldest roster in the NFL that has a dumpster fire of a QB room.
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(Shanahan left on his own accord, due to Haslam & Farmer).
Shanahan won't even speak of Cleveland anymore. He basically wiped it from his resume.
Kyle could not stand Pettine. Pettine is the Stefanski of defense. Jesus, was he horrible as DC in Green Bay. Day he got let go there was a celebration.
I'm glad Stefanski is on the hot seat. Hopefully at seasons end he is fired.
I believe they could set up a nice deal for Ben Johnson that he can't turn down. The time wasn't right when he was offered head coaching jobs the last time. Him hiring a good staff to surround him, and Ben could turn the Browns into a true contender finally. It won't take forever either.
Shanahan won't even speak of Cleveland anymore. He basically wiped it from his resume.
Kyle could not stand Pettine. Pettine is the Stefanski of defense.
Shanahan was pissed Haslam & Farmer forced Manziel to play QB. He left a scathing 25 slide power point presentation on his way out.
Had nothing to do with Pettine. Pettine had the Browns at 6-3 in 1st place in the division. Then interference from the front office sent 'em to 7-9, eventually Hue Jackson?
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Shanahan won't even speak of Cleveland anymore. He basically wiped it from his resume.
Kyle could not stand Pettine. Pettine is the Stefanski of defense.
Shanahan was pissed Haslam & Farmer forced Manziel to play QB. He left a scathing 25 slide power point presentation on his way out.
Had nothing to do with Pettine. Pettine had the Browns at 6-3 in 1st place in the division. Then interference from the front office sent 'em to 7-9, eventually Hue Jackson?
Shanahan was pissed Haslam & Farmer forced Manziel to play QB. He left a scathing 25 slide power point presentation on his way out.
Had nothing to do with Pettine. Pettine had the Browns at 6-3 in 1st place in the division. Then interference from the front office sent 'em to 7-9, eventually Hue Jackson?
Woah. Pettine was a good head coach now? Why did he get canned? He is a horrible coach. Trust me I know. Why you think he never got even a sniff for another head coach gig.
No wonder people here stand up for Stefanski. You have not had an actual good coach in so long you forgot what one is. Bill Belichick was the last. And even Bill had a losing record.
What you say about Manziel may be true, Pettine said himself Kyle was not a fan of his. He was serious when he said it. Also, did you ever see Kyle look at Pettine on the sidelines? They were not friendly glares.
Pettine was the worst D coordinator I have ever witnessed.
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Shanahan was pissed Haslam & Farmer forced Manziel to play QB. He left a scathing 25 slide power point presentation on his way out.
Had nothing to do with Pettine. Pettine had the Browns at 6-3 in 1st place in the division. Then interference from the front office sent 'em to 7-9, eventually Hue Jackson?
Woah. Pettine was a good head coach now? Why did he get canned? He is a horrible coach. Trust me I know. Why you think he never got even a sniff for another head coach gig.
No wonder people here stand up for Stefanski. You have not had an actual good coach in so long you forgot what one is. Bill Belichick was the last. And even Bill had a losing record.
What you say about Manziel may be true, Pettine said himself Kyle was not a fan of his. He was serious when he said it. Also, did you ever see Kyle look at Pettine on the sidelines? They were not friendly glares.
Pettine was the worst D coordinator I have ever witnessed.
Woah. Pettine was a good head coach now? Why did he get canned?
Because he was forced to play a QB the owner wanted, but he really didn’t want.
Fast forward to today, and some things never change.
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Woah. Pettine was a good head coach now? Why did he get canned?
Because he was forced to play a QB the owner wanted, but he really didn’t want.
Fast forward to today, and some things never change.
Because he was forced to play a QB the owner wanted, but he really didn’t want.
Fast forward to today, and some things never change.
Well, get to 2-15 and you can get Shedeur Sanders. Horrible crop of QBs coming out in 2025. I wouldn't go with any of them.
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Shanahan was pissed Haslam & Farmer forced Manziel to play QB. He left a scathing 25 slide power point presentation on his way out.
Had nothing to do with Pettine. Pettine had the Browns at 6-3 in 1st place in the division. Then interference from the front office sent 'em to 7-9, eventually Hue Jackson?
Woah. Pettine was a good head coach now? Why did he get canned? He is a horrible coach. Trust me I know. Why you think he never got even a sniff for another head coach gig.
No wonder people here stand up for Stefanski. You have not had an actual good coach in so long you forgot what one is. Bill Belichick was the last. And even Bill had a losing record.
What you say about Manziel may be true, Pettine said himself Kyle was not a fan of his. He was serious when he said it. Also, did you ever see Kyle look at Pettine on the sidelines? They were not friendly glares.
Pettine was the worst D coordinator I have ever witnessed.
Woah. Pettine was a good head coach now? Why did he get canned? He is a horrible coach. Trust me I know. Why you think he never got even a sniff for another head coach gig.
No wonder people here stand up for Stefanski. You have not had an actual good coach in so long you forgot what one is. Bill Belichick was the last. And even Bill had a losing record.
What you say about Manziel may be true, Pettine said himself Kyle was not a fan of his. He was serious when he said it. Also, did you ever see Kyle look at Pettine on the sidelines? They were not friendly glares.
Pettine was the worst D coordinator I have ever witnessed.
Pettine got canned because he was spot on about Manziel, & Farmer & Haslam didn't want to believe it.
2014 season right here. You're not as invested in the Browns as me or many here. Believe it or not, Pettine had the Browns in 1st place with Brian Hoyer ...
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Woah. Pettine was a good head coach now? Why did he get canned? He is a horrible coach. Trust me I know. Why you think he never got even a sniff for another head coach gig.
No wonder people here stand up for Stefanski. You have not had an actual good coach in so long you forgot what one is. Bill Belichick was the last. And even Bill had a losing record.
What you say about Manziel may be true, Pettine said himself Kyle was not a fan of his. He was serious when he said it. Also, did you ever see Kyle look at Pettine on the sidelines? They were not friendly glares.
Pettine was the worst D coordinator I have ever witnessed.
Pettine got canned because he was spot on about Manziel, & Farmer & Haslam didn't want to believe it.
2014 season right here. You're not as invested in the Browns as me or many here. Believe it or not, Pettine had the Browns in 1st place with Brian Hoyer ...
Pettine got canned because he was spot on about Manziel, & Farmer & Haslam didn't want to believe it.
2014 season right here. You're not as invested in the Browns as me or many here. Believe it or not, Pettine had the Browns in 1st place with Brian Hoyer ...
Pettine was "Meh"... Very average...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
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Pettine got canned because he was spot on about Manziel, & Farmer & Haslam didn't want to believe it.
2014 season right here. You're not as invested in the Browns as me or many here. Believe it or not, Pettine had the Browns in 1st place with Brian Hoyer ...
Pettine was "Meh"... Very average...
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Woah. Pettine was a good head coach now? Why did he get canned? He is a horrible coach. Trust me I know. Why you think he never got even a sniff for another head coach gig.
No wonder people here stand up for Stefanski. You have not had an actual good coach in so long you forgot what one is. Bill Belichick was the last. And even Bill had a losing record.
What you say about Manziel may be true, Pettine said himself Kyle was not a fan of his. He was serious when he said it. Also, did you ever see Kyle look at Pettine on the sidelines? They were not friendly glares.
Pettine was the worst D coordinator I have ever witnessed.
Pettine got canned because he was spot on about Manziel, & Farmer & Haslam didn't want to believe it.
2014 season right here. You're not as invested in the Browns as me or many here. Believe it or not, Pettine had the Browns in 1st place with Brian Hoyer ...
Pettine got canned because he was spot on about Manziel, & Farmer & Haslam didn't want to believe it.
2014 season right here. You're not as invested in the Browns as me or many here. Believe it or not, Pettine had the Browns in 1st place with Brian Hoyer ...
Yeah, the Browns were 7-4 and then lost the last 5 games and finished 7-9 in 2014. The next season the Browns were 3-13. Incredible head coach ya had there in Pettine.
Browns fans think Pettine deserves a statue for 7-4. I don't think they hand out trophies for 7-4 and missing the playoffs.
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Pettine got canned because he was spot on about Manziel, & Farmer & Haslam didn't want to believe it.
2014 season right here. You're not as invested in the Browns as me or many here. Believe it or not, Pettine had the Browns in 1st place with Brian Hoyer ...
Yeah, the Browns were 7-4 and then lost the last 5 games and finished 7-9 in 2014. The next season the Browns were 3-13. Incredible head coach ya had there in Pettine.
Browns fans think Pettine deserves a statue for 7-4. I don't think they hand out trophies for 7-4 and missing the playoffs.
Yeah, the Browns were 7-4 and then lost the last 5 games and finished 7-9 in 2014. The next season the Browns were 3-13. Incredible head coach ya had there in Pettine.
Browns fans think Pettine deserves a statue for 7-4. I don't think they hand out trophies for 7-4 and missing the playoffs.
Pettine was average, but he set the high water mark for HC’s in Cleveland during that era.
Keep in mind, he had Ray Farmer filling the roster during his tenure.
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that trade was destructive.
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Pettine and Shanahan were a fine duo. You had one that was an old-school hard ass, and then another that's one of the best chess players in the game.
They took a team with Brian Hoyer, collection of cast off skill players and almost unheard of running backs to form a pretty respectable offense.
Pettine's downfall was two told.
- Haslam saddled him with an awful QB situation and media circus that was Manziel.
- Pettine brought with him his defense, and his rigid, unadaptable approach to 2gap fronts. Then with it one of the worst DCs I've ever seen in Jim O' Neil.
The fact they were a late season TD away from a wildcard berth was pretty incredible.
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Pettine and Shanahan were a fine duo. You had one that was an old-school hard ass, and then another that's one of the best chess players in the game.
They took a team with Brian Hoyer, collection of cast off skill players and almost unheard of running backs to form a pretty respectable offense.
Pettine's downfall was two told.
- Haslam saddled him with an awful QB situation and media circus that was Manziel.
- Pettine brought with him his defense, and his rigid, unadaptable approach to 2gap fronts. Then with it one of the worst DCs I've ever seen in Jim O' Neil.
The fact they were a late season TD away from a wildcard berth was pretty incredible.
Pettine's downfall was two told.
I won't belabor the point on Pettine. If you guys feel Pettine was a good head coach, and absolve him from most of the blame for the dumpster fire that was his 2 years in Cleveland, more power to ya.
I will again say the rest of the league does not agree with many here. Pettine never got even a sniff for a head coaching job again. And after his disaster as a DC in Green Bay, he was never offered a DC position ever again.
I listened to ever presser Pettine gave every Thursday when the coordinators spoke in Green Bay. It was a clown show. I saw every snap of his defenses in Green Bay. Pettine had zero clue. The players justly totally tuned him out. When he was fired, I knew he would never be offered a DC position again.
I wished his family well. And I thanked God he was gone.
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Pettine's downfall was two told.
I won't belabor the point on Pettine. If you guys feel Pettine was a good head coach, and absolve him from most of the blame for the dumpster fire that was his 2 years in Cleveland, more power to ya.
I will again say the rest of the league does not agree with many here. Pettine never got even a sniff for a head coaching job again. And after his disaster as a DC in Green Bay, he was never offered a DC position ever again.
I listened to ever presser Pettine gave every Thursday when the coordinators spoke in Green Bay. It was a clown show. I saw every snap of his defenses in Green Bay. Pettine had zero clue. The players justly totally tuned him out. When he was fired, I knew he would never be offered a DC position again.
I wished his family well. And I thanked God he was gone.
I won't belabor the point on Pettine. If you guys feel Pettine was a good head coach, and absolve him from most of the blame for the dumpster fire that was his 2 years in Cleveland, more power to ya.
I will again say the rest of the league does not agree with many here. Pettine never got even a sniff for a head coaching job again. And after his disaster as a DC in Green Bay, he was never offered a DC position ever again.
I listened to ever presser Pettine gave every Thursday when the coordinators spoke in Green Bay. It was a clown show. I saw every snap of his defenses in Green Bay. Pettine had zero clue. The players justly totally tuned him out. When he was fired, I knew he would never be offered a DC position again.
I wished his family well. And I thanked God he was gone.
Oh, no. I don't feel like he himself was/is a good coach. I view him in a similar mold as I do Coach Tomlin. A players coach, good discipline, good for the locker room, works well with the other coaches and doesn't interfere, especially offensively, with their designs. Neither are particularly elite chess players, or even good for that matter.
As a duo, he and Shanahan were effective. But only as a duo.
Edit: and it was even more obvious when the Bills defense took an even bigger step forward that 2014 season after Pettine left. It was clear that he wasn't fit to be a playcaller or the type of coach to mold around his philosophy of defense. As a CEO and someone who delegates well to organize? Absolutely. Again, Tomlin-esque.
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Pettine's downfall was two told.
I won't belabor the point on Pettine. If you guys feel Pettine was a good head coach, and absolve him from most of the blame for the dumpster fire that was his 2 years in Cleveland, more power to ya.
I will again say the rest of the league does not agree with many here. Pettine never got even a sniff for a head coaching job again. And after his disaster as a DC in Green Bay, he was never offered a DC position ever again.
I listened to ever presser Pettine gave every Thursday when the coordinators spoke in Green Bay. It was a clown show. I saw every snap of his defenses in Green Bay. Pettine had zero clue. The players justly totally tuned him out. When he was fired, I knew he would never be offered a DC position again.
I wished his family well. And I thanked God he was gone.
I won't belabor the point on Pettine. If you guys feel Pettine was a good head coach, and absolve him from most of the blame for the dumpster fire that was his 2 years in Cleveland, more power to ya.
I will again say the rest of the league does not agree with many here. Pettine never got even a sniff for a head coaching job again. And after his disaster as a DC in Green Bay, he was never offered a DC position ever again.
I listened to ever presser Pettine gave every Thursday when the coordinators spoke in Green Bay. It was a clown show. I saw every snap of his defenses in Green Bay. Pettine had zero clue. The players justly totally tuned him out. When he was fired, I knew he would never be offered a DC position again.
I wished his family well. And I thanked God he was gone.
Fuck Lombardi
Side Note: Did you know #4 has settled more law suits than thrown for TD'S ? Well it's true.
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I won't belabor the point on Pettine. If you guys feel Pettine was a good head coach, and absolve him from most of the blame for the dumpster fire that was his 2 years in Cleveland, more power to ya.
I will again say the rest of the league does not agree with many here. Pettine never got even a sniff for a head coaching job again. And after his disaster as a DC in Green Bay, he was never offered a DC position ever again.
I listened to ever presser Pettine gave every Thursday when the coordinators spoke in Green Bay. It was a clown show. I saw every snap of his defenses in Green Bay. Pettine had zero clue. The players justly totally tuned him out. When he was fired, I knew he would never be offered a DC position again.
I wished his family well. And I thanked God he was gone.
Oh, no. I don't feel like he himself was/is a good coach. I view him in a similar mold as I do Coach Tomlin. A players coach, good discipline, good for the locker room, works well with the other coaches and doesn't interfere, especially offensively, with their designs. Neither are particularly elite chess players, or even good for that matter.
As a duo, he and Shanahan were effective. But only as a duo.
Edit: and it was even more obvious when the Bills defense took an even bigger step forward that 2014 season after Pettine left. It was clear that he wasn't fit to be a playcaller or the type of coach to mold around his philosophy of defense. As a CEO and someone who delegates well to organize? Absolutely. Again, Tomlin-esque.
Oh, no. I don't feel like he himself was/is a good coach. I view him in a similar mold as I do Coach Tomlin. A players coach, good discipline, good for the locker room, works well with the other coaches and doesn't interfere, especially offensively, with their designs. Neither are particularly elite chess players, or even good for that matter.
As a duo, he and Shanahan were effective. But only as a duo.
Edit: and it was even more obvious when the Bills defense took an even bigger step forward that 2014 season after Pettine left. It was clear that he wasn't fit to be a playcaller or the type of coach to mold around his philosophy of defense. As a CEO and someone who delegates well to organize? Absolutely. Again, Tomlin-esque.
Again, more power to ya if you think Pettine is Tomlin-esque. If Tomlin had got fired in 2015 he would have had teams breaking down his door to hire him. When Pettine was fired there were crickets.
The end.
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