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  • @browns149 said:

    Both are better then what we have now

    Wait another year to see if A&M's pro-offense QB Conner Weigman continues to play like he did against Mizzou's excellent defense on Saturday. After 4 games off for a shoulder injury he ran that offense to perfection using a mixture of the run game with his "pro level arm". Meanwhile I can only offer a couple of D linemen starting with Nic Scourton who is now seriously approaching Myles Garrett level of play. And like Myles they shift him all along the LOS in any of the 4 positions, though usually one end or the other.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Wait another year to see if A&M's pro-offense QB Conner Weigman continues to play like he did against Mizzou's excellent defense on Saturday. After 4 games off for a shoulder injury he ran that offense to perfection using a mixture of the run game with his "pro level arm". Meanwhile I can only offer a couple of D linemen starting with Nic Scourton who is now seriously approaching Myles Garrett level of play. And like Myles they shift him all along the LOS in any of the 4 positions, though usually one end or the other.

    Pass on a QB from Texas A&M, forever.

    Now, a DE? Then we'll talk. ?

  • If Berry and Stefanski survive this season, let me reiterate that if the Browns do indeed pull the trigger on a Quarterback in this upcoming draft, Joe Flacco in many ways should be the template for a QB for Stefanski, not Watson or even Mayfield. (My only hope is the new guy would protect the ball better than Flacco.) A guy who can stand tall in the pocket, read a defense and play under center. RPO QBs need not apply.

  • If Berry and Stefanski survive this season, let me reiterate that if the Browns do indeed pull the trigger on a Quarterback in this upcoming draft, Joe Flacco in many ways should be the template for a QB for Stefanski, not Watson or even Mayfield. (My only hope is the new guy would protect the ball better than Flacco.) A guy who can stand tall in the pocket, read a defense and play under center. RPO QBs need not apply.

    @dutch-oven said:

    A guy who can stand tall in the pocket, read a defense and play under center. RPO QBs need not apply.

    The Saturday product is delivering fewer and further between on the above described.

    If I was (in) an organization, I'd be frustrated in what the NCAA gives the NFL QB-wise.

    These RPO QBs come ball out of Rookie contracts, DCs figure them out. The get the second contract, mostly guaranteed, they're banged up and worn out and they're not worth it but are an absolute nightmare financially. 

    And as bad as DW sucks, the Browns fanbase isn't the only in the NFL frustrated about their QB contract situation. 

  • Maybe this is the product of the rise of travel baseball in the last decade.

    The 6'4" kid throwing gas off the mound used to be the QB on the HS team. Now he plays baseball year 'round and the best athlete left, the kid that's 6'-6'2" is now the QB, where 10+ years ago, he'd have been the RB or LB.

    Coincidentally, in this same time span, we've also seen the rise of NFL backed Flag Football. Many believe the game to be going in that direction. Take that for whatever it's worth.

  • If Berry and Stefanski survive this season, let me reiterate that if the Browns do indeed pull the trigger on a Quarterback in this upcoming draft, Joe Flacco in many ways should be the template for a QB for Stefanski, not Watson or even Mayfield. (My only hope is the new guy would protect the ball better than Flacco.) A guy who can stand tall in the pocket, read a defense and play under center. RPO QBs need not apply.

    @dutch-oven said:

    If Berry and Stefanski survive this season, let me reiterate that if the Browns do indeed pull the trigger on a Quarterback in this upcoming draft, Joe Flacco in many ways should be the template for a QB for Stefanski, not Watson or even Mayfield. (My only hope is the new guy would protect the ball better than Flacco.) A guy who can stand tall in the pocket, read a defense and play under center. RPO QBs need not apply.

    If any intriguing junior QBs contemplating coming out see that it's Cleveland drafting 1st they're better off going back to college for the senior year. 

    This organization is HORRIFIC, especially under Jimmy, at understanding what needs to be in place to develop a promising young QB prospect.  My confidence has flat-lined.  

    Other than that, everything is perfect!

  • @dutch-oven said:

    If Berry and Stefanski survive this season, let me reiterate that if the Browns do indeed pull the trigger on a Quarterback in this upcoming draft, Joe Flacco in many ways should be the template for a QB for Stefanski, not Watson or even Mayfield. (My only hope is the new guy would protect the ball better than Flacco.) A guy who can stand tall in the pocket, read a defense and play under center. RPO QBs need not apply.

    If any intriguing junior QBs contemplating coming out see that it's Cleveland drafting 1st they're better off going back to college for the senior year. 

    This organization is HORRIFIC, especially under Jimmy, at understanding what needs to be in place to develop a promising young QB prospect.  My confidence has flat-lined.  

    Other than that, everything is perfect!

    @flugel said:

    If any intriguing junior QBs contemplating coming out see that it's Cleveland drafting 1st they're better off going back to college for the senior year. 

    This organization is HORRIFIC, especially under Jimmy, at understanding what needs to be in place to develop a promising young QB prospect.  My confidence has flat-lined.  

    Other than that, everything is perfect!

    I really expected this to be the year. The way the salary cap has been navigated. The defense. The WR Corps. Njoku. Chubb. The interior OL (on paper). Schwartz. The FO/Coaching Staff continuity. The roster continuity. The talk of a new stadium. It just had the feel of a special year.

    Call me whatever you'd like. Every single day of my life, I've gone to bed thinking tomorrow will be a better day for the Browns than today. Right now, I don't feel that.

    I have zero faith in the Haslam braintrust/family tree. I can't stand the fact that DePodesta has anyone's ear. I think Berry has done a good job given the bullshit I think he has to wade through. I like Stefanski. I now question his fortitude.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    If Berry and Stefanski survive this season, let me reiterate that if the Browns do indeed pull the trigger on a Quarterback in this upcoming draft, Joe Flacco in many ways should be the template for a QB for Stefanski, not Watson or even Mayfield. (My only hope is the new guy would protect the ball better than Flacco.) A guy who can stand tall in the pocket, read a defense and play under center. RPO QBs need not apply.

    If any intriguing junior QBs contemplating coming out see that it's Cleveland drafting 1st they're better off going back to college for the senior year. 

    This organization is HORRIFIC, especially under Jimmy, at understanding what needs to be in place to develop a promising young QB prospect.  My confidence has flat-lined.  

    Other than that, everything is perfect!

    @flugel said:

    If any intriguing junior QBs contemplating coming out see that it's Cleveland drafting 1st they're better off going back to college for the senior year. 

    And worst of all...

    Now we're going to go back to "Nobody wants to play in Cleveland" or "...for Jimmy Haslam."

  • I'm guesstimating that we currently have the 6th pick in the draft.  

  • A AP1

    @dutch-oven said:

    A guy who can stand tall in the pocket, read a defense and play under center. RPO QBs need not apply.

    The Saturday product is delivering fewer and further between on the above described.

    If I was (in) an organization, I'd be frustrated in what the NCAA gives the NFL QB-wise.

    These RPO QBs come ball out of Rookie contracts, DCs figure them out. The get the second contract, mostly guaranteed, they're banged up and worn out and they're not worth it but are an absolute nightmare financially. 

    And as bad as DW sucks, the Browns fanbase isn't the only in the NFL frustrated about their QB contract situation. 

    @ap1 said:

    The Saturday product is delivering fewer and further between on the above described.

    If I was (in) an organization, I'd be frustrated in what the NCAA gives the NFL QB-wise.

    These RPO QBs come ball out of Rookie contracts, DCs figure them out. The get the second contract, mostly guaranteed, they're banged up and worn out and they're not worth it but are an absolute nightmare financially. 

    And as bad as DW sucks, the Browns fanbase isn't the only in the NFL frustrated about their QB contract situation. 

    I'm glad you brought this up, because you are right, there aren't a lot of colleges running a pro-style.

    I will amend what I said earlier and now say that I want a QB who can show the ability to play from under center, to set up in the pocket, read defenses and make the smart throw. I want a guy who is built like a AFC North QB should be.

    That's why at this moment I'm intrigued with Carson Beck and Drew Allar. 

  • Well it appears my dream will just remain that - a dream.

    Watson reached a settlement agreement with the latest accuser, and because of that the NFL probably will not be able to interview her, thus ending the investigation. 

    The Browns are going to have to put their big boy pants on and move on from Watson without help. In the process, I can't see how Andrew Berry survives, which means I can't see how Kevin Stefanski survives. 

    Fun times as a Browns fan, yo. 

  • Well it appears my dream will just remain that - a dream.

    Watson reached a settlement agreement with the latest accuser, and because of that the NFL probably will not be able to interview her, thus ending the investigation. 

    The Browns are going to have to put their big boy pants on and move on from Watson without help. In the process, I can't see how Andrew Berry survives, which means I can't see how Kevin Stefanski survives. 

    Fun times as a Browns fan, yo. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Well it appears my dream will just remain that - a dream.

    Watson reached a settlement agreement with the latest accuser, and because of that the NFL probably will not be able to interview her, thus ending the investigation. 

    The Browns are going to have to put their big boy pants on and move on from Watson without help. In the process, I can't see how Andrew Berry survives, which means I can't see how Kevin Stefanski survives. 

    Fun times as a Browns fan, yo. 

    Yep, I’m afraid you’re spot on.

    I’m only expecting 3 or 4 games they will win this year, and another enema for the FO and coaching staff.

    I wasn’t a fan of the DW deal from day one, and I said if it doesn’t work out this will set the franchise back 5 years.

    I was hoping I was wrong.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Well it appears my dream will just remain that - a dream.

    Watson reached a settlement agreement with the latest accuser, and because of that the NFL probably will not be able to interview her, thus ending the investigation. 

    The Browns are going to have to put their big boy pants on and move on from Watson without help. In the process, I can't see how Andrew Berry survives, which means I can't see how Kevin Stefanski survives. 

    Fun times as a Browns fan, yo. 

    Yep, I’m afraid you’re spot on.

    I’m only expecting 3 or 4 games they will win this year, and another enema for the FO and coaching staff.

    I wasn’t a fan of the DW deal from day one, and I said if it doesn’t work out this will set the franchise back 5 years.

    I was hoping I was wrong.

    @canton-dawg said:

    Yep, I’m afraid you’re spot on.

    I’m only expecting 3 or 4 games they will win this year, and another enema for the FO and coaching staff.

    I wasn’t a fan of the DW deal from day one, and I said if it doesn’t work out this will set the franchise back 5 years.

    I was hoping I was wrong.

    So was I but , I knew better... This is sacrilege to every die hard fan of this team... I say its time for a public revolt... Enough is enough!

  • @canton-dawg said:

    Yep, I’m afraid you’re spot on.

    I’m only expecting 3 or 4 games they will win this year, and another enema for the FO and coaching staff.

    I wasn’t a fan of the DW deal from day one, and I said if it doesn’t work out this will set the franchise back 5 years.

    I was hoping I was wrong.

    So was I but , I knew better... This is sacrilege to every die hard fan of this team... I say its time for a public revolt... Enough is enough!

    @nickers said:

    So was I but , I knew better... This is sacrilege to every die hard fan of this team... I say its time for a public revolt... Enough is enough!

    Burn tickets outside the stadium in mass?

  • A AP1

    @flugel said:

    If any intriguing junior QBs contemplating coming out see that it's Cleveland drafting 1st they're better off going back to college for the senior year. 

    This organization is HORRIFIC, especially under Jimmy, at understanding what needs to be in place to develop a promising young QB prospect.  My confidence has flat-lined.  

    Other than that, everything is perfect!

    I really expected this to be the year. The way the salary cap has been navigated. The defense. The WR Corps. Njoku. Chubb. The interior OL (on paper). Schwartz. The FO/Coaching Staff continuity. The roster continuity. The talk of a new stadium. It just had the feel of a special year.

    Call me whatever you'd like. Every single day of my life, I've gone to bed thinking tomorrow will be a better day for the Browns than today. Right now, I don't feel that.

    I have zero faith in the Haslam braintrust/family tree. I can't stand the fact that DePodesta has anyone's ear. I think Berry has done a good job given the bullshit I think he has to wade through. I like Stefanski. I now question his fortitude.

    @ap1 said:

    I really expected this to be the year. The way the salary cap has been navigated. The defense. The WR Corps. Njoku. Chubb. The interior OL (on paper). Schwartz. The FO/Coaching Staff continuity. The roster continuity. The talk of a new stadium. It just had the feel of a special year.

    Call me whatever you'd like. Every single day of my life, I've gone to bed thinking tomorrow will be a better day for the Browns than today. Right now, I don't feel that.

    I have zero faith in the Haslam braintrust/family tree. I can't stand the fact that DePodesta has anyone's ear. I think Berry has done a good job given the bullshit I think he has to wade through. I like Stefanski. I now question his fortitude.

    ? Me too AP1!   I'm starting to realize the only Championship I'll ever see this franchise win was when I was wearing diapers in 1964.  Who remembers anything before their 1st Birthday?

  • @ap1 said:

    The Saturday product is delivering fewer and further between on the above described.

    If I was (in) an organization, I'd be frustrated in what the NCAA gives the NFL QB-wise.

    These RPO QBs come ball out of Rookie contracts, DCs figure them out. The get the second contract, mostly guaranteed, they're banged up and worn out and they're not worth it but are an absolute nightmare financially. 

    And as bad as DW sucks, the Browns fanbase isn't the only in the NFL frustrated about their QB contract situation. 

    I'm glad you brought this up, because you are right, there aren't a lot of colleges running a pro-style.

    I will amend what I said earlier and now say that I want a QB who can show the ability to play from under center, to set up in the pocket, read defenses and make the smart throw. I want a guy who is built like a AFC North QB should be.

    That's why at this moment I'm intrigued with Carson Beck and Drew Allar. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I'm glad you brought this up, because you are right, there aren't a lot of colleges running a pro-style.

    I will amend what I said earlier and now say that I want a QB who can show the ability to play from under center, to set up in the pocket, read defenses and make the smart throw. I want a guy who is built like a AFC North QB should be.

    That's why at this moment I'm intrigued with Carson Beck and Drew Allar. 

    In a world of what have you done for me lately - I think Beck was 20 for 20 at 1 point last week.  

    Ironically, I'm in Georgia this week with my family hoping we still have a house left to return to after the Hurricane.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    I'm glad you brought this up, because you are right, there aren't a lot of colleges running a pro-style.

    I will amend what I said earlier and now say that I want a QB who can show the ability to play from under center, to set up in the pocket, read defenses and make the smart throw. I want a guy who is built like a AFC North QB should be.

    That's why at this moment I'm intrigued with Carson Beck and Drew Allar. 

    In a world of what have you done for me lately - I think Beck was 20 for 20 at 1 point last week.  

    Ironically, I'm in Georgia this week with my family hoping we still have a house left to return to after the Hurricane.

    @flugel said:

    In a world of what have you done for me lately - I think Beck was 20 for 20 at 1 point last week.  

    Ironically, I'm in Georgia this week with my family hoping we still have a house left to return to after the Hurricane.

    Where in Florida do you live Flugs?

  • @dutch-oven said:

    I'm glad you brought this up, because you are right, there aren't a lot of colleges running a pro-style.

    I will amend what I said earlier and now say that I want a QB who can show the ability to play from under center, to set up in the pocket, read defenses and make the smart throw. I want a guy who is built like a AFC North QB should be.

    That's why at this moment I'm intrigued with Carson Beck and Drew Allar. 

    In a world of what have you done for me lately - I think Beck was 20 for 20 at 1 point last week.  

    Ironically, I'm in Georgia this week with my family hoping we still have a house left to return to after the Hurricane.

    @flugel said:

    In a world of what have you done for me lately - I think Beck was 20 for 20 at 1 point last week.  

    Ironically, I'm in Georgia this week with my family hoping we still have a house left to return to after the Hurricane.

    Glad you got out early Tom. Roads out are jammed and gas is running out. Many will be stuck in cars for this one.

  • Well our 230 million dollar mistake cannot be escaped...the last girl settled for $$$

    We can't get out of the contract....sigh

  • Well our 230 million dollar mistake cannot be escaped...the last girl settled for $$$

    We can't get out of the contract....sigh

    @kvoethe said:

    Well our 230 million dollar mistake cannot be escaped...the last girl settled for $$$

    We can't get out of the contract....sigh

    Well he better hope he's not connected with P Diddy...

  • @flugel said:

    In a world of what have you done for me lately - I think Beck was 20 for 20 at 1 point last week.  

    Ironically, I'm in Georgia this week with my family hoping we still have a house left to return to after the Hurricane.

    Where in Florida do you live Flugs?

    @dutch-oven said:

    Where in Florida do you live Flugs?

    If you look on the map we're in the New Port Richey/Port Richey/Hudson area. We're about 2.7 miles inland from the Gulf Coast; and consequently zones A, B and C became mandatory evacuation zones.