Art Modell up for HOF
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He definitely doesn't deserve to be honored, I was just making a point the HOF is stupid.
Next year most people won't even remember if he was ever inducted anyways.(except some Browns fans)
You guys allow your emotions to rule your minds. None of that shit diminishes the things he did for the league and helped make it what it is today.
"he didn't win anything" bla bla bla
Joe Thomas didn't win anything either if we go by your thinking..
You guys allow your emotions to rule your minds. None of that shit diminishes the things he did for the league and helped make it what it is today.
"he didn't win anything" bla bla bla
Joe Thomas didn't win anything either if we go by your thinking..
I appreciate your position, and coming from you it has some levity for me. What are the actual pros and cons of Art Modell?
”The Move” was the most impressionable of my lifetime. I understand his push for MNF was a thing. What else?
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You guys allow your emotions to rule your minds. None of that shit diminishes the things he did for the league and helped make it what it is today.
"he didn't win anything" bla bla bla
Joe Thomas didn't win anything either if we go by your thinking..
I appreciate your position, and coming from you it has some levity for me. What are the actual pros and cons of Art Modell?
”The Move” was the most impressionable of my lifetime. I understand his push for MNF was a thing. What else?
I appreciate your position, and coming from you it has some levity for me. What are the actual pros and cons of Art Modell?
”The Move” was the most impressionable of my lifetime. I understand his push for MNF was a thing. What else?
He didn't have Moscow whores pee on him??
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I appreciate your position, and coming from you it has some levity for me. What are the actual pros and cons of Art Modell?
”The Move” was the most impressionable of my lifetime. I understand his push for MNF was a thing. What else?
He didn't have Moscow whores pee on him??
He didn't have Moscow whores pee on him??
That was an owner of a USFL team, silly goose.
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He definitely doesn't deserve to be honored, I was just making a point the HOF is stupid.
Next year most people won't even remember if he was ever inducted anyways.(except some Browns fans)
You guys allow your emotions to rule your minds. None of that shit diminishes the things he did for the league and helped make it what it is today.
"he didn't win anything" bla bla bla
Joe Thomas didn't win anything either if we go by your thinking..
You guys allow your emotions to rule your minds. None of that shit diminishes the things he did for the league and helped make it what it is today.
"he didn't win anything" bla bla bla
Joe Thomas didn't win anything either if we go by your thinking..
Please elaborate on all the wonderful things he did for the NFL to make it what it is today, but do not mention Monday Night Football.
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I appreciate your position, and coming from you it has some levity for me. What are the actual pros and cons of Art Modell?
”The Move” was the most impressionable of my lifetime. I understand his push for MNF was a thing. What else?
He didn't have Moscow whores pee on him??
He didn't have Moscow whores pee on him??
Not everybody gets the chance at that. No one’s ever asked me to have Moscow whores pee on me. I’m not sure l’d be interested in that, but it would be nice to have the offer.
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He didn't have Moscow whores pee on him??
Not everybody gets the chance at that. No one’s ever asked me to have Moscow whores pee on me. I’m not sure l’d be interested in that, but it would be nice to have the offer.
Not everybody gets the chance at that. No one’s ever asked me to have Moscow whores pee on me. I’m not sure l’d be interested in that, but it would be nice to have the offer.
All ya gotta do is swear your allegiance to Putin.?
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Take way the emotion and Art deserves to be in the HOF. He did more for the league than most any other owner.
It's time to forgive and forget. Leave the petty emotions aside. He belongs in the HOF.
Take way the emotion and Art deserves to be in the HOF. He did more for the league than most any other owner.
It's time to forgive and forget. Leave the petty emotions aside. He belongs in the HOF.
Like for what 'Peen? Start MNF, and negotiated fat TV contracts for the owners? Though I have to admit, it's a pretty low bar to get an owner inducted. If sleazebag Al Davis of the "Rovin Raiders is in, may as well let all the sleaze in. Shit... checking... they gave Jerry Jones a bust in Canton- for as far as I can tell, his contribution was building ever bigger stadiums.
Forgive? Maybe... Forget...NEVER!!!
For your reading enjoyment the owners who ARE in the HOF... As I said earlier, it's a really low bar. ?
Here are the NFL owners in Canton:
Bert Bell: He probably is in because he was NFL commissioner from 1946-59, not that that’s any reason, either. The NFL took off in the ‘60s.
Charles Bidwill: Owned the Chicago Cardinals from 1933-47. Not exactly a flagship franchise.
Al Davis: Owned the Raiders and was a maverick. Also was a coach of some repute in the ‘60s and the team’s general manager. You can make a case for Davis.
Eddie DeBartolo: Owned the 49ers. The 49ers were awesome. Is that the criteria? If you own a great team, you go into Canton? See note on Steelers...
George Halas: Founded the NFL and coached the Bears for more than 40 years. I think he’s deserving.
Lamar Hunt: Credited with founding the AFL. That’s probably deserving.
Curly Lambeau: Also was a great coach. Maybe he’s in as a coach more than an owner.
Tim Mara: We’ve talked about.
Wellington Mara: I love the Giants. But Wellington Mara is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame because people love Wellington Mara. That’s no reason.
George Preston Marshall: Credited with helping found the NFL. Hopefully that’s why he’s in. His ownership was nothing special with the Redskins.
Dan Reeves: Not the halfback/coach Dan Reeves. The Rams owner from 1941-71. Why is Reeves in? For taking the NFL to the West Coast?
Art Rooney: The Mara story.
Dan Rooney: The Mara story.
Ralph Wilson Jr.: There are stories about how Wilson helped save the AFL. I guess I would say, so what? What if he did save it. Do you think the NFL would be second-class with the AFL merger of 50 years ago?
Jerry Jones: I don’t see it.
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He didn't have Moscow whores pee on him??
Not everybody gets the chance at that. No one’s ever asked me to have Moscow whores pee on me. I’m not sure l’d be interested in that, but it would be nice to have the offer.
Not everybody gets the chance at that. No one’s ever asked me to have Moscow whores pee on me. I’m not sure l’d be interested in that, but it would be nice to have the offer.
Being given options is always nice in life.
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You guys allow your emotions to rule your minds. None of that shit diminishes the things he did for the league and helped make it what it is today.
"he didn't win anything" bla bla bla
Joe Thomas didn't win anything either if we go by your thinking..
Please elaborate on all the wonderful things he did for the NFL to make it what it is today, but do not mention Monday Night Football.
Please elaborate on all the wonderful things he did for the NFL to make it what it is today, but do not mention Monday Night Football.
He was the lead for Pete Rozell in negotiating the TV deals and the basic structure that are still used today. That isn't mentioning MNF as you requested, but that was a bold move. That is HOF worthy IMO. It isn't always about wins and fans chapped feeling about a owner. I'd say most fans never liked the owners who have entered the hall.
Owners are enshrined based on their contributions to the league above what they may have done for a team or city. Heck, Ed and Steve Sabol are in the HOF. They didn't do anything to help a team win anything. They did put the NFL front and forward with their contributions to the league. Hell. Al Davis is in the HOF. He moved his teams every other year it seemed.
Do I like Art Model? No. For the same emotions most of you experience. Does he deserve to be in the HOF? Absolutely.
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Does he deserve to be in the Hall of Fame? Absolutely not.
Is he in the Burn in Hell Hall of Fame? He sure is.
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No to the HOF... Despite the fact Mike White was just as at fault with the Browns leaving as Art was..... At least in my view... They both could've been bigger and came to a solution... That sadly for us loyal fans... That didn't happen... Now we have this cheap facsimile we call "The Cleveland Browns with orange powder coated helmets that'll blast yer eye's out!!!!... a dismal football culture.... And an owner with a slick past.... Groovy!...
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Does he deserve to be in the Hall of Fame? Absolutely not.
Is he in the Burn in Hell Hall of Fame? He sure is.
Does he deserve to be in the Hall of Fame? Absolutely not.
Is he in the Burn in Hell Hall of Fame? He sure is.
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Take way the emotion and Art deserves to be in the HOF. He did more for the league than most any other owner.
It's time to forgive and forget. Leave the petty emotions aside. He belongs in the HOF.
Take way the emotion and Art deserves to be in the HOF. He did more for the league than most any other owner.
It's time to forgive and forget. Leave the petty emotions aside. He belongs in the HOF.
Had these current Browns been a formidable team since their return in 99…by winning division titles, having a Super Bowl appearance or two, and beating the Steelers more than they beat us, then the thought of forgiving and forgetting would come easily in my opinion. It would for me.
Much of the bitterness towards Modell stems from the bitterness we hold against having to root for a perennial loser.
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Take way the emotion and Art deserves to be in the HOF. He did more for the league than most any other owner.
It's time to forgive and forget. Leave the petty emotions aside. He belongs in the HOF.
Had these current Browns been a formidable team since their return in 99…by winning division titles, having a Super Bowl appearance or two, and beating the Steelers more than they beat us, then the thought of forgiving and forgetting would come easily in my opinion. It would for me.
Much of the bitterness towards Modell stems from the bitterness we hold against having to root for a perennial loser.
Had these current Browns been a formidable team since their return in 99…by winning division titles, having a Super Bowl appearance or two, and beating the Steelers more than they beat us, then the thought of forgiving and forgetting would come easily in my opinion. It would for me.
Much of the bitterness towards Modell stems from the bitterness we hold against having to root for a perennial loser.
Well said! The sad thing is it really doesn't take that much to please us either. To your points in bold above, if someone like a Robert Kraft purchased this team - I agree the winning that would have followed would have removed a lot of the hostility.
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Had these current Browns been a formidable team since their return in 99…by winning division titles, having a Super Bowl appearance or two, and beating the Steelers more than they beat us, then the thought of forgiving and forgetting would come easily in my opinion. It would for me.
Much of the bitterness towards Modell stems from the bitterness we hold against having to root for a perennial loser.
Well said! The sad thing is it really doesn't take that much to please us either. To your points in bold above, if someone like a Robert Kraft purchased this team - I agree the winning that would have followed would have removed a lot of the hostility.
Well said! The sad thing is it really doesn't take that much to please us either. To your points in bold above, if someone like a Robert Kraft purchased this team - I agree the winning that would have followed would have removed a lot of the hostility.
So we hold hostility against Modell because other owners were screw-up's? Is that what I am hearing?
Look, he gets on the list because some people feel it's time to put him in the hall. Clevelanders have protest enough so that didn't happen while the guy was alive and could enjoy the moment. I don't see the reason for doing so now other than spite.
It's just not a good look. I am sorry to say that Cleveland fans haven't had a good look for many years now. I know we like to think we are loyal and one of the best fan bases in the league, but that isn't the way we are viewed elsewhere.
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Well said! The sad thing is it really doesn't take that much to please us either. To your points in bold above, if someone like a Robert Kraft purchased this team - I agree the winning that would have followed would have removed a lot of the hostility.
So we hold hostility against Modell because other owners were screw-up's? Is that what I am hearing?
Look, he gets on the list because some people feel it's time to put him in the hall. Clevelanders have protest enough so that didn't happen while the guy was alive and could enjoy the moment. I don't see the reason for doing so now other than spite.
It's just not a good look. I am sorry to say that Cleveland fans haven't had a good look for many years now. I know we like to think we are loyal and one of the best fan bases in the league, but that isn't the way we are viewed elsewhere.
So we hold hostility against Modell because other owners were screw-up's? Is that what I am hearing?
Look, he gets on the list because some people feel it's time to put him in the hall. Clevelanders have protest enough so that didn't happen while the guy was alive and could enjoy the moment. I don't see the reason for doing so now other than spite.
It's just not a good look. I am sorry to say that Cleveland fans haven't had a good look for many years now. I know we like to think we are loyal and one of the best fan bases in the league, but that isn't the way we are viewed elsewhere.
No, we hold hostility toward him for doing exactly what the Irsays did to their first fan base/customers. The difference? The new team in Baltimore won the Super Bowl Championship as early as 2001 (and rinsed and repeated that in 2013) so their fan base/customers didn't have to dwell on the void or the short term losing that followed. Result? There isn't the same lingering hostility in a sport where winning cures everything - leaving a large percentage of that fanbase quite thankful the Irsays departed after all. If they were still losing, I can assure you there would have been sufficient hostility prolonged.
In Cleveland, the move was in the mid 90s and there's only been 2 playoff teams here in the 30 years since. So yeah, there's a lingering sting here that frustrates the loyal and passionate fanbase here. People react differently ranging from where you stand on it all to where a lot of us stand in frustration. Fan isn't just a prefix of Fantastic. We've been through a lot together as a fanbase and the fact that we're all still here pulling for this team is a much better look than you want to think. That said, we're gonna vent whether we're buying the Sunday Ticket to watch this team or attending games in person.
Speaking of "not a good look", let's not pretend how often the national media likes to rub the heartache of the move and the type of football that has followed here in our fanbase's faces. Part of that includes rubbing the success at the Rathouse vrs the football follies that have continued to take place here in the stadium next to Lake Erie since 1999. I dare say I think we deserve a whole lot better here than we've received especially now that we have an owner that isn't going broke.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
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So we hold hostility against Modell because other owners were screw-up's? Is that what I am hearing?
Look, he gets on the list because some people feel it's time to put him in the hall. Clevelanders have protest enough so that didn't happen while the guy was alive and could enjoy the moment. I don't see the reason for doing so now other than spite.
It's just not a good look. I am sorry to say that Cleveland fans haven't had a good look for many years now. I know we like to think we are loyal and one of the best fan bases in the league, but that isn't the way we are viewed elsewhere.
No, we hold hostility toward him for doing exactly what the Irsays did to their first fan base/customers. The difference? The new team in Baltimore won the Super Bowl Championship as early as 2001 (and rinsed and repeated that in 2013) so their fan base/customers didn't have to dwell on the void or the short term losing that followed. Result? There isn't the same lingering hostility in a sport where winning cures everything - leaving a large percentage of that fanbase quite thankful the Irsays departed after all. If they were still losing, I can assure you there would have been sufficient hostility prolonged.
In Cleveland, the move was in the mid 90s and there's only been 2 playoff teams here in the 30 years since. So yeah, there's a lingering sting here that frustrates the loyal and passionate fanbase here. People react differently ranging from where you stand on it all to where a lot of us stand in frustration. Fan isn't just a prefix of Fantastic. We've been through a lot together as a fanbase and the fact that we're all still here pulling for this team is a much better look than you want to think. That said, we're gonna vent whether we're buying the Sunday Ticket to watch this team or attending games in person.
Speaking of "not a good look", let's not pretend how often the national media likes to rub the heartache of the move and the type of football that has followed here in our fanbase's faces. Part of that includes rubbing the success at the Rathouse vrs the football follies that have continued to take place here in the stadium next to Lake Erie since 1999. I dare say I think we deserve a whole lot better here than we've received especially now that we have an owner that isn't going broke.
No, we hold hostility toward him for doing exactly what the Irsays did to their first fan base/customers. The difference? The new team in Baltimore won the Super Bowl Championship as early as 2001 (and rinsed and repeated that in 2013) so their fan base/customers didn't have to dwell on the void or the short term losing that followed. Result? There isn't the same lingering hostility in a sport where winning cures everything - leaving a large percentage of that fanbase quite thankful the Irsays departed after all. If they were still losing, I can assure you there would have been sufficient hostility prolonged.
In Cleveland, the move was in the mid 90s and there's only been 2 playoff teams here in the 30 years since. So yeah, there's a lingering sting here that frustrates the loyal and passionate fanbase here. People react differently ranging from where you stand on it all to where a lot of us stand in frustration. Fan isn't just a prefix of Fantastic. We've been through a lot together as a fanbase and the fact that we're all still here pulling for this team is a much better look than you want to think. That said, we're gonna vent whether we're buying the Sunday Ticket to watch this team or attending games in person.
Speaking of "not a good look", let's not pretend how often the national media likes to rub the heartache of the move and the type of football that has followed here in our fanbase's faces. Part of that includes rubbing the success at the Rathouse vrs the football follies that have continued to take place here in the stadium next to Lake Erie since 1999. I dare say I think we deserve a whole lot better here than we've received especially now that we have an owner that isn't going broke.
I don't feel like the Browns or any sports team owes me anything other than to show up and play the games when scheduled.
You post is emotion based, like I said in my first post...I guess it was the first. If the Browns had won the SB, everybody would be in favor of Modell being enshrined but since he didn't do it here and did it elsewhere, that doesn't count.
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No, we hold hostility toward him for doing exactly what the Irsays did to their first fan base/customers. The difference? The new team in Baltimore won the Super Bowl Championship as early as 2001 (and rinsed and repeated that in 2013) so their fan base/customers didn't have to dwell on the void or the short term losing that followed. Result? There isn't the same lingering hostility in a sport where winning cures everything - leaving a large percentage of that fanbase quite thankful the Irsays departed after all. If they were still losing, I can assure you there would have been sufficient hostility prolonged.
In Cleveland, the move was in the mid 90s and there's only been 2 playoff teams here in the 30 years since. So yeah, there's a lingering sting here that frustrates the loyal and passionate fanbase here. People react differently ranging from where you stand on it all to where a lot of us stand in frustration. Fan isn't just a prefix of Fantastic. We've been through a lot together as a fanbase and the fact that we're all still here pulling for this team is a much better look than you want to think. That said, we're gonna vent whether we're buying the Sunday Ticket to watch this team or attending games in person.
Speaking of "not a good look", let's not pretend how often the national media likes to rub the heartache of the move and the type of football that has followed here in our fanbase's faces. Part of that includes rubbing the success at the Rathouse vrs the football follies that have continued to take place here in the stadium next to Lake Erie since 1999. I dare say I think we deserve a whole lot better here than we've received especially now that we have an owner that isn't going broke.
I don't feel like the Browns or any sports team owes me anything other than to show up and play the games when scheduled.
You post is emotion based, like I said in my first post...I guess it was the first. If the Browns had won the SB, everybody would be in favor of Modell being enshrined but since he didn't do it here and did it elsewhere, that doesn't count.
If the Browns had won the SB, everybody would be in favor of Modell being enshrined but since he didn't do it here and did it elsewhere, that doesn't count.
I think you're catching on, but to put in context, because he deleted our team and left town to do it.
I think any fan base is allowed to feel or think that way.
If a sports team wants to keep people buying their product, be it season tickets or merch, then you're damn straight they owe it to the fans to put out a respectable product when they can. If you feel differently it's your right, but others want to hold owners accountable as they rake in profits from their fan base.
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I don't try to suppress anybody's right to feel as they do. I just feel that Art deserves to be in the HOF. His actions for the league warrant that. The only response is emotional rants about moving the team.
As for holding an owner accountable, what exactly do you do to hold an owner accountable? Not buy tickets? That's a sure way to keep the team in town. Go to games and hold up a cardboard sign? Tell others to not buy tickets?
It sounds cool to say you are going to hold the owner accountable, but what does that mean? A curious mind wants to know.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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