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  • @bob806 said:

    Pretty spot on, but the last sentence is pretty emotional lol.

    I can see some good in both parties, but the extremes in both are awful. It's not just unique to the dems

    Oh, what, you think it's emotional to constantly call the party he doesn't like "Demonrats"?

    Well that's just a crazy thing to think.....

    @mld-woody said:

    Oh, what, you think it's emotional to constantly call the party he doesn't like "Demonrats"?

    Well that's just a crazy thing to think.....

    “Demonrats” just rolls off the fingertips. It’s amusing how that still eats at you!

  • @bob806 said:

    Pretty spot on, but the last sentence is pretty emotional lol.

    I can see some good in both parties, but the extremes in both are awful. It's not just unique to the dems

    An example of extremism on the right?

    You mean things such as saving babies, deporting illegals, voter ID, etc..justified positions now viewed as right wing extremism by the left?

    Oh wait… smashing cans of Bud Light beer? LOL

    @fy56 said:

    An example of extremism on the right?

    Eliminating the Dept of Education seems extreme, maybe that's just campaign talk but we shall see.

  • @mld-woody said:

    Clearly Hulk Hogan and Kid Rock was the move 

    Weren’t they at the convention? Both sides invite celebs.

    Aren’t we supposed to be talking about what went wrong with the Harris campaign?

    Harris used these cheerleader celebs at her campaign rallies 

    @fy56 said:

    Weren’t they at the convention? Both sides invite celebs.

    Aren’t we supposed to be talking about what went wrong with the Harris campaign?

    These celebs appeared at Harris campaign rallies.

    Well, since you asked...  Kamala's first big mistake- though not her only one- was asking "Tampon Tim" to run with her as VP candidate. Josh Shapiro would at least have gotten her Pennsylvania and made it a lot more interesting. 

    To paraphrase a bit from Bernie Moreno's mantra about Sherrod Brown...  "Walz, too liberal for America"...  Nah, I'm not blind FY- you look at the sea of Red in middle and southern USA- Conservative voters weren't buying what the Democrats were selling.  Look, I don't agree with the far, far left radical agenda about men in women's sports- or gee, if you're a man you can become a woman if you just whack off your pee-pee.  Sadly, my niece's "husband" is in the process of doing exactly that- though I'm not sure he'll go quite that far. 

    Regarding the economy- most folks don't realize, a lot of stuff that goes on there is outside of a president's control. Pining for "the good old days" under Trump. 

    What I really worry about FY is we just voted in a mental basket case that's rapidly descending into dementia. Deny that at your own risk. (confusing states, and WWII with WWIII)  Physical one too...  What I'd expect from an unathletic 78 year old man who needed a boost to get into the garbage truck.  In my book, riding around the course in a golf cart doesn't count as "exercise".  

    @bob806 said:

    Eliminating the Dept of Education seems extreme, maybe that's just campaign talk but we shall see.

    Why RIGHT ON!!!  Donnie LOVES the poorly educated.  ?  That might not be 1\2 as bad as putting his fellow nut case  anti science, anti vaxxer RFK JR. anywhere near the HSSA and CDC.  

    Adios Green New Deal too.  DJT doesn't want to realize the supply of oil in the ground isn't infinite...  Fortunately for him (and me) we'll be dead and gone when the supply runs out. A little advance planning there wouldn't hurt.  

  • @vaportrail said:

    I would prefer they become a party I would consider voting for again, but that will require a lot of introspection. I expected that introspection to happen after 2016, but instead they just went full orange man bad. I am optimistic that they're past the point of diminishing returns for that strategy. 

    I wonder who they’re going going to demonize in 2028 since Trump won’t be eligible to run?

    @canton-dawg said:

    I wonder who they’re going going to demonize in 2028 since Trump won’t be eligible to run?

    Vance of course.

  • @mld-woody said:

    And now we have a man with power over every branch of government that has said he'll crush pro Palestine protests and deport any supporters. Among other things. 

    Oh joy

    I am optimistic that those threats are as serious as the threat of him throwing Hillary in jail. But I agree with your concerns. He took a lot of money from Israeli-American dual citizen, Miriam Adelson, and I have no idea if her loyalties are more to the US or Israel. 

    @vaportrail said:

    I am optimistic that those threats are as serious as the threat of him throwing Hillary in jail. But I agree with your concerns. He took a lot of money from Israeli-American dual citizen, Miriam Adelson, and I have no idea if her loyalties are more to the US or Israel. 

    The next four years really come down to how much of the insane shit he said during his campaigning is real and how much of it was just posturing. 

    Without any checks and balances, and with home probably not bringing in any folks to his administration that will stand up to him this time, I'm worried. 

    I mentioned his comments on Palestine protestors above because I'd knew you'd resonate with it the most, but that's just the top of the iceberg 

  • @mld-woody said:

    And now we have a man with power over every branch of government that has said he'll crush pro Palestine protests and deport any supporters. Among other things. 

    Oh joy

    If we take him at his word, those Haitians living in Springfield had better start packing their bags now.  

    @hoorta said:

    If we take him at his word, those Haitians living in Springfield had better start packing their bags now.  

    Those legal immigrants? Yeah, great for them .. 

  • @mld-woody said:

    I'm not going to rehash covid. Especially when I know the asinine beliefs on this board. 

    But regardless of the policies in America, the pandemic affected the entire globe. The economy was affected for years afterwards. We still see impacts on the supply chain. 

    To ignore it when talking about the economy is stupid. But obviously it was best for Trump to talk about inflation from a year ago, not mention COVID, and obviously not mention how everything was continuing to improve 

    wow. things were improving after things went very, very badly.

    inflation.

    the totally fake "inflation reduction act".image.thumb.png.748781d51ebf42cd50bbea2cf58e943b.png

    @calfoxwc said:

    wow. things were improving after things went very, very badly.

    inflation.

    the totally fake "inflation reduction act".image.thumb.png.748781d51ebf42cd50bbea2cf58e943b.png

    Almost like some global events happened in 2020 that impacted the world economy for years....

    Go look at the UK for example, had the same steep rise. Did Biden cause the UK's inflation too?

  • @mld-woody said:

    And now we have a man with power over every branch of government that has said he'll crush pro Palestine protests and deport any supporters. Among other things. 

    Oh joy

    So does this translate to you conceding that your side has no one to blame but themselves for this ?

    Btw…he promised to deport foreign students. Don’t listen to the misinformation being fed to you.

    @fy56 said:

    So does this translate to you conceding that your side has no one to blame but themselves for this ?

    Btw…he promised to deport foreign students. Don’t listen to the misinformation being fed to you.

    They ran a shitty campaign the whole time. I've said this repeatedly. None of you Trump nut huggers ever listen. All you know is that I don't like Trump and you assume I'm some die hard Democrat. Trump had a shit campaign in the grand scheme of things and the Dems managed to be worse. I've criticized the Dems repeatedly. Judy fucking pay attention to what I post if you're going to attempt to call out what I post.

    Obviously he meant foreigners. That doesn't make it any better. He'd be deporting foreign students because they're supporting something he disagrees with. It would be absolutely insane, you'd all defend it because it isn't impacting you personally, and we'd start the slow march to increasingly more asinine and insane actions 

  • @fy56 said:

    So does this translate to you conceding that your side has no one to blame but themselves for this ?

    Btw…he promised to deport foreign students. Don’t listen to the misinformation being fed to you.

    They ran a shitty campaign the whole time. I've said this repeatedly. None of you Trump nut huggers ever listen. All you know is that I don't like Trump and you assume I'm some die hard Democrat. Trump had a shit campaign in the grand scheme of things and the Dems managed to be worse. I've criticized the Dems repeatedly. Judy fucking pay attention to what I post if you're going to attempt to call out what I post.

    Obviously he meant foreigners. That doesn't make it any better. He'd be deporting foreign students because they're supporting something he disagrees with. It would be absolutely insane, you'd all defend it because it isn't impacting you personally, and we'd start the slow march to increasingly more asinine and insane actions 

    @mld-woody said:

    They ran a shitty campaign the whole time. I've said this repeatedly. None of you Trump nut huggers ever listen. All you know is that I don't like Trump and you assume I'm some die hard Democrat. Trump had a shit campaign in the grand scheme of things and the Dems managed to be worse. I've criticized the Dems repeatedly. Judy fucking pay attention to what I post if you're going to attempt to call out what I post.

    Obviously he meant foreigners. That doesn't make it any better. He'd be deporting foreign students because they're supporting something he disagrees with. It would be absolutely insane, you'd all defend it because it isn't impacting you personally, and we'd start the slow march to increasingly more asinine and insane actions 

  • I think the fat dude who tore his shirt off is Woody maybe??

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  • @mld-woody said:

    They ran a shitty campaign the whole time. I've said this repeatedly. None of you Trump nut huggers ever listen. All you know is that I don't like Trump and you assume I'm some die hard Democrat. Trump had a shit campaign in the grand scheme of things and the Dems managed to be worse. I've criticized the Dems repeatedly. Judy fucking pay attention to what I post if you're going to attempt to call out what I post.

    Obviously he meant foreigners. That doesn't make it any better. He'd be deporting foreign students because they're supporting something he disagrees with. It would be absolutely insane, you'd all defend it because it isn't impacting you personally, and we'd start the slow march to increasingly more asinine and insane actions 

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  • @calfoxwc said:

    wow. things were improving after things went very, very badly.

    inflation.

    the totally fake "inflation reduction act".image.thumb.png.748781d51ebf42cd50bbea2cf58e943b.png

    Almost like some global events happened in 2020 that impacted the world economy for years....

    Go look at the UK for example, had the same steep rise. Did Biden cause the UK's inflation too?

    @mld-woody said:

    Almost like some global events happened in 2020 that impacted the world economy for years....

    Go look at the UK for example, had the same steep rise. Did Biden cause the UK's inflation too?

    But that little Covid “thang” in 2020 didn’t stop the Biden nut swingers to point out the economy went to shit during Trump’s last year in office. So no…the shitty economy during Dementia Joe’s first year is on him.

  • I don't know if this link will get past the NY Times paywall, but it's damn enlightening.  Here's Trump's support in a nutshell. Ohio is just a microcosm of the rest of the country....  

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-ohio.html?campaign_id=190&emc=edit_ufn_20241106&instance_id=138947&nl=from-the-times&regi_id=134670778&segment_id=182501&user_id=4dc89ede43276f14191cbbf5e8c84f35

  • I don't know if this link will get past the NY Times paywall, but it's damn enlightening.  Here's Trump's support in a nutshell. Ohio is just a microcosm of the rest of the country....  

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-ohio.html?campaign_id=190&emc=edit_ufn_20241106&instance_id=138947&nl=from-the-times&regi_id=134670778&segment_id=182501&user_id=4dc89ede43276f14191cbbf5e8c84f35

    @hoorta said:

    I don't know if this link will get past the NY Times paywall, but it's damn enlightening.  Here's Trump's support in a nutshell. Ohio is just a microcosm of the rest of the country....  

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-ohio.html?campaign_id=190&emc=edit_ufn_20241106&instance_id=138947&nl=from-the-times&regi_id=134670778&segment_id=182501&user_id=4dc89ede43276f14191cbbf5e8c84f35

    It’s The NY Times, so I’m guessing it’s not a flattering article on the bad Orange man.

  • @mld-woody said:

    Oh, what, you think it's emotional to constantly call the party he doesn't like "Demonrats"?

    Well that's just a crazy thing to think.....

    So you voted for jill stein?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    So you voted for jill stein?

    WSS

    That woulda been me. Good ol’ Jill. I did her once before and l saw her there and it was sort of a warm familiar feeling and l just decided to do her again. 

    I tried like hell to talk myself into a relevant candidate. But l just couldn’t do it, and then l saw her name and l totally filled her box. 

  • @hoorta said:

    I don't know if this link will get past the NY Times paywall, but it's damn enlightening.  Here's Trump's support in a nutshell. Ohio is just a microcosm of the rest of the country....  

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-ohio.html?campaign_id=190&emc=edit_ufn_20241106&instance_id=138947&nl=from-the-times&regi_id=134670778&segment_id=182501&user_id=4dc89ede43276f14191cbbf5e8c84f35

    It’s The NY Times, so I’m guessing it’s not a flattering article on the bad Orange man.

    @canton-dawg said:

    It’s The NY Times, so I’m guessing it’s not a flattering article on the bad Orange man.

    Nope, if you didn't bother to look- or the article was blocked....  It was a county by county breakdown of election results.. No bias, just straight reporting... Blue major Ohio cities in a sea of red...  Even had the percentages. Plenty of the rural counties were 70%+ for Trump.  

  • @vaportrail said:

    I would prefer they become a party I would consider voting for again, but that will require a lot of introspection. I expected that introspection to happen after 2016, but instead they just went full orange man bad. I am optimistic that they're past the point of diminishing returns for that strategy. 

    I wonder who they’re going going to demonize in 2028 since Trump won’t be eligible to run?

    @canton-dawg said:

    I wonder who they’re going going to demonize in 2028 since Trump won’t be eligible to run?

    Vance of course..

    Trump, truly is a transitional President.

    I'll say this again. I don't see Trump finishing his term. I see him getting shit straight in 2-3 yrs and then sailing off into a well deserved sunset... He can't run again and Vance unlike Harris will be taking notes and learning how to be the leader of the free world from day one.. Actually, he's already learning.

  • I think you guys covered most of it. It was pretty evident that the move to Kamala was a money move, because democrats were beholden to prior campaign contributions. 

    And they tried their best to envelope her in good vibes of democrat goodness and not expose her to the harsh realities of hard questions. 

    She never came off as genuine, and we rarely got to see her under pressure. And when we did it didn’t really go well.

    I kinda think her anti-Christian vibes did a number on her too, especially her “you’re at the wrong rally” quip so close to the election.