Art Modell up for HOF

[Dutch Oven]

You guys still arguing with ballpeen?

Haven't figured out that he's just a contrarian for the sake of being contrarian yet? 

[Ibleedbrown]

@dutch-oven said:

You guys still arguing with ballpeen?

Haven't figured out that he's just a contrarian for the sake of being contrarian yet? 

There’s a legitimate point of view in there and someone has to play devil’s advocate with this whole thing. 

[Dutch Oven]

@ibleedbrown said:

There’s a legitimate point of view in there and someone has to play devil’s advocate with this whole thing. 

Color me shocked and awed that he'd be the guy to do it... ?

[Flugel]

@dutch-oven said:

You guys still arguing with ballpeen?

Haven't figured out that he's just a contrarian for the sake of being contrarian yet? 

? He reminds me a lot of Gipper (and that's a good thing) in the sense he'll challenge a further look into something if he feels we're not being fair regarding the bigger picture or his angle on it all.  

There's always going to be guys that get short changed with the Hall of Fame criteria used from many knuckleheads that don't even belong on the HOF selection committee.  Sports writers that never covered our 80s teams (that made more playoffs and Conference Championship Games) roll their eyes every time they hear "Clay Matthews" who was the best LBer here whether he started as a Strongside LBer, Weakside LBer, MLB in a 4-3 or 3-4.  Sometimes being unselfish and helping this team when others in the LBer Corps get injured may not + Pro Bowl votes from FANS.  That said, our Defense was always very good throughout those 80s.  My favorite 1st round was Clay and Ozzie in 1978. FWIW, Myles Garrett who is here primarily just to rush the passer (in an era where teams are passing far more frequently than ever) - didn't pass Clay as the franchise sack leader until his 7th season last year.  I was at the playoff game when Buffalo was driving for what looked to be game winning points when Matthews intercepted Kelly at the 2 yard line to secure the victory.  To me he was football's version of Cal Ripken in terms of steady, solid leadership with reliable talent that was durable and long term.  Ripken made the HOF for his sport for those reasons.  At a Browns Backer Banquet in Rochester NY former Pro Bowl Guard Joe DeLamielleure was asked who the toughest guy he ever faced was. Without hesitation he said "Clay Matthews is the toughest Son of a Bitch I've ever faced!"  I think he knows a little more than sportswriters that don't cover this team.

Sorry for my sour grapes detour; BUT like my feeling about Matthews getting snubbed - I'm sure a lot of our fans today that didn't see a lot of him only want a higher Pro Bowl inventory. If he did all the same stuff and played for Pittsburgh - is there any question he would have been good enough for the HOF Committee?  Because of this feeling I have - I can understand Ballpeen wanting to present where he stands on it all with Modell.  I'm just being his Devil's Advocate...

[nickers]

@flugel said:

? He reminds me a lot of Gipper (and that's a good thing) in the sense he'll challenge a further look into something if he feels we're not being fair regarding the bigger picture or his angle on it all.  

There's always going to be guys that get short changed with the Hall of Fame criteria used from many knuckleheads that don't even belong on the HOF selection committee.  Sports writers that never covered our 80s teams (that made more playoffs and Conference Championship Games) roll their eyes every time they hear "Clay Matthews" who was the best LBer here whether he started as a Strongside LBer, Weakside LBer, MLB in a 4-3 or 3-4.  Sometimes being unselfish and helping this team when others in the LBer Corps get injured may not + Pro Bowl votes from FANS.  That said, our Defense was always very good throughout those 80s.  My favorite 1st round was Clay and Ozzie in 1978. FWIW, Myles Garrett who is here primarily just to rush the passer (in an era where teams are passing far more frequently than ever) - didn't pass Clay as the franchise sack leader until his 7th season last year.  I was at the playoff game when Buffalo was driving for what looked to be game winning points when Matthews intercepted Kelly at the 2 yard line to secure the victory.  To me he was football's version of Cal Ripken in terms of steady, solid leadership with reliable talent that was durable and long term.  Ripken made the HOF for his sport for those reasons.  At a Browns Backer Banquet in Rochester NY former Pro Bowl Guard Joe DeLamielleure was asked who the toughest guy he ever faced was. Without hesitation he said "Clay Matthews is the toughest Son of a Bitch I've ever faced!"  I think he knows a little more than sportswriters that don't cover this team.

Sorry for my sour grapes detour; BUT like my feeling about Matthews getting snubbed - I'm sure a lot of our fans today that didn't see a lot of him only want a higher Pro Bowl inventory. If he did all the same stuff and played for Pittsburgh - is there any question he would have been good enough for the HOF Committee?  Because of this feeling I have - I can understand Ballpeen wanting to present where he stands on it all with Modell.  I'm just being his Devil's Advocate...

It bothers me that Junior Seau gets in and Mathews has numbers on par or better and still gets snubbed... So I share in your vitriol of the HOF committee.... on a side note.. The only thing Tony Grossi is good for is keeping Art out... Otherwise.. as reporters... Both him and MKC are complete useless hacks.. I yearn for the days of great reporting from the likes of Hal Lebovitz, Joe Menzer,Bob August and national columnists like Mike Royko and Herb Kamm.. And SI reporter Rick Tellander was always a great read...

[Dutch Oven]

@flugel said:

? He reminds me a lot of Gipper (and that's a good thing) in the sense he'll challenge a further look into something if he feels we're not being fair regarding the bigger picture or his angle on it all.  

Oh yes, I've definitely noticed the similarities. ?

I might not agree with ballpeen on this, or honestly a lot of stuff, but he's a good, entertaining read. This place definitely could use more of that. 

[Bob806]

Good takes guys.

Going on a tangent here, and yes, it's emotional ... ..

There are TOO MANY Steelers in the HOF. 

I get it to a degree. They were "the team of the 70s." But Lynn Swan? John Stallworth? Or IMHO, Kevin Greene ( inducted as a Steelers, his choice)."

Hines Ward continues to be nominated, I call BS on that  

[ballpeen]

@dutch-oven said:

You guys still arguing with ballpeen?

Haven't figured out that he's just a contrarian for the sake of being contrarian yet? 

No, not that.  I truly believe Art should be in the HOF.  Anybody who knows me knows I  have made the argument before.

I am not trying to piss people off or push buttons.  When somebody starts another thread like this in the future, I'll say the same thing.

[calfoxwc]

@ballpeen said:

No, not that.  I truly believe Art should be in the HOF.  Anybody who knows me knows I  have made the argument before.

I am not trying to piss people off or push buttons.  When somebody starts another thread like this in the future, I'll say the same thing.

We'll agree to disagree. Your reasoning is valid except to my bias against the arrogant, sewer-slurping, rotten hunk of garbage that he was in the NFL.........

[calfoxwc]