When is Jimmy gonna make a real change?
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This guy can’t leave Cleveland fast enough. . .
This guy can’t leave Cleveland fast enough. . .
Wills has a very empty inner chest. And let's not pretend if he just played RT all that would go away. When we do run the ball his way - he makes an initial hit and quits. If he wants exhibit some degree of energy - he'll hold. In pass pro on the edge of the blind side protection - it's scary how often he whiffs on initial contact. This isn't a driven or motivated football player.
Last year, an unemployed FA LT Geron Christian - came here and significantly upgraded the pass pro on the blind side. He was quietly a factor during our playoff run. It's amazing how much it changes when a guy at such an important position is willing to break a sweat for the team paying his salary. Even this year, Dawand Jones has significantly upgraded the position while he's been trying to get himself back into playing shape. The common denominator of upgrade here? Effort...
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This guy can’t leave Cleveland fast enough. . .
Wills has a very empty inner chest. And let's not pretend if he just played RT all that would go away. When we do run the ball his way - he makes an initial hit and quits. If he wants exhibit some degree of energy - he'll hold. In pass pro on the edge of the blind side protection - it's scary how often he whiffs on initial contact. This isn't a driven or motivated football player.
Last year, an unemployed FA LT Geron Christian - came here and significantly upgraded the pass pro on the blind side. He was quietly a factor during our playoff run. It's amazing how much it changes when a guy at such an important position is willing to break a sweat for the team paying his salary. Even this year, Dawand Jones has significantly upgraded the position while he's been trying to get himself back into playing shape. The common denominator of upgrade here? Effort...
Wills has a very empty inner chest. And let's not pretend if he just played RT all that would go away. When we do run the ball his way - he makes an initial hit and quits. If he wants exhibit some degree of energy - he'll hold. In pass pro on the edge of the blind side protection - it's scary how often he whiffs on initial contact. This isn't a driven or motivated football player.
Last year, an unemployed FA LT Geron Christian - came here and significantly upgraded the pass pro on the blind side. He was quietly a factor during our playoff run. It's amazing how much it changes when a guy at such an important position is willing to break a sweat for the team paying his salary. Even this year, Dawand Jones has significantly upgraded the position while he's been trying to get himself back into playing shape. The common denominator of upgrade here? Effort...
You would think that lack of effort would be a big red flag, but I think the guys in the FO that drafted him don’t want to look bad.
I think they need to swallow their pride, and let this guy go.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
They need a real change. A serious, real change.
The Haslams HAVE made a change - a real change. They bought all the land and are moving to Brookpark.
So, if you want to park - you pay the Haslams; If you want to eat - it's at their restaurants or those that pay them their 'property tax'. If you want to stay in a hotel, you'll stay in theirs or those that pay the Haslam property tax. If you want to gamble, it's at Casino Haslam or those who pay the tax. If you want to lay your own brown pile, you'll tap your credit card at the nearest Haslam super bowl.
Oh, at some point they'll have to keep some semblance of a football team on the field to keep the cash rolling in. Or do they? We keep buying the tickets and everything else when they were 1-15 and 0-16, so....
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Wills has a very empty inner chest. And let's not pretend if he just played RT all that would go away. When we do run the ball his way - he makes an initial hit and quits. If he wants exhibit some degree of energy - he'll hold. In pass pro on the edge of the blind side protection - it's scary how often he whiffs on initial contact. This isn't a driven or motivated football player.
Last year, an unemployed FA LT Geron Christian - came here and significantly upgraded the pass pro on the blind side. He was quietly a factor during our playoff run. It's amazing how much it changes when a guy at such an important position is willing to break a sweat for the team paying his salary. Even this year, Dawand Jones has significantly upgraded the position while he's been trying to get himself back into playing shape. The common denominator of upgrade here? Effort...
You would think that lack of effort would be a big red flag, but I think the guys in the FO that drafted him don’t want to look bad.
I think they need to swallow their pride, and let this guy go.
You would think that lack of effort would be a big red flag, but I think the guys in the FO that drafted him don’t want to look bad.
I think they need to swallow their pride, and let this guy go.
You couldn't have said it any better than that CD! Just gonna piggy back onto your points a little here. Just think if they reached any further up than they already did on Anthony Schwartz - he'd still be here too! I could just hear it now from the FO: "he's really improving out there - he DID catch 2 of the 7 targets that hit his hands today." We're gonna require some imagination here. Let's pretend they went out and got the right 230 million dollar QB - what type of FO repeatedly sees the lack of effort from Wills and concludes he's the perfect blind side protector/insurance plan for their investment? Sometimes I wonder how much say the FO had in determining what players started/played most over the coaching staff here even inclusive of well respected OL Coach Bill Callahan. I have a feeling this FO forced their Will(s) on Callahan. As fate would have it, an injury leading to IR finally allowed Wills to be replaced and noticeably upgraded by Geron Christian. In this case, noticeably meant the frequency of watching replays of what went wrong on the blind side was reduced significantly. Same thing has happened this year even with a young/talented (RT converting to LT in just 1-2 weeks) who isn't anywhere close to being in the best playing shape of his football career.
It's also the same FO that wanted lighter LBers in 2022 while deciding at the same time that DT/IDL was a very low priority. Gee, what could possibly go wrong beside watch opposing RBs running a 5k with the football between the tackles on us every week? To answer this question - it was our high inventory of injured LBers almost as if the only people incapable of foreseeing this unfold were the 2 Harvard Grads in the FO... Yes, 2023 was just the opposite in terms of finding expensive/productive short term band aids on the IDL. They did a nice job finding proven veteran DTs (Tomlinson, Hurst, Harris) to help overcome poor/inexperienced draft choices (ie; Togiai and Ika) that could help this defense. As an example of the upgraded performance upfront - it meant far less blockers getting to a guy like JOK. And what LBer had his very best NFL season last year? JOK. At least in this case - it appears the FO did a self evaluation of their 2022 thinking and made appropriate changes. It went from being the biggest weakness on the team to a strength that changed the way this defense competed and rated overall.
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My opinion on Berry has shifted. I think he is more of a problem than solution.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
My opinion on Berry has shifted. I think he is more of a problem than solution.
I'm starting to feel that way as well. He's a master at making numbers work, not so much at finding talent and assembling the roster.
I hate that I believe the Browns need a new GM, but I think they need a new GM. The quality individuals capable of assessing talent, assembling a roster and doing fuzzy math, won't want to answer to DePodesta.
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My opinion on Berry has shifted. I think he is more of a problem than solution.
I'm starting to feel that way as well. He's a master at making numbers work, not so much at finding talent and assembling the roster.
I hate that I believe the Browns need a new GM, but I think they need a new GM. The quality individuals capable of assessing talent, assembling a roster and doing fuzzy math, won't want to answer to DePodesta.
I'm starting to feel that way as well. He's a master at making numbers work, not so much at finding talent and assembling the roster.
I hate that I believe the Browns need a new GM, but I think they need a new GM. The quality individuals capable of assessing talent, assembling a roster and doing fuzzy math, won't want to answer to DePodesta.
I don't agree with them answering to DePodesta. I think that is a misplaced idea that has gained traction over the years. There isn't any proof that is the case. He provides analytics to the staff and is an advisor to Haslam.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
I'm starting to feel that way as well. He's a master at making numbers work, not so much at finding talent and assembling the roster.
I hate that I believe the Browns need a new GM, but I think they need a new GM. The quality individuals capable of assessing talent, assembling a roster and doing fuzzy math, won't want to answer to DePodesta.
I don't agree with them answering to DePodesta. I think that is a misplaced idea that has gained traction over the years. There isn't any proof that is the case. He provides analytics to the staff and is an advisor to Haslam.
I don't agree with them answering to DePodesta. I think that is a misplaced idea that has gained traction over the years. There isn't any proof that is the case. He provides analytics to the staff and is an advisor to Haslam.
I hope you're wrong; I fear you are not.
I believe we have one of two situations.
1) Haslam or the Haslams is/are either (a) Jerry Jones wanna-be(s) calling all of the shots which is running this organization into the ground.
2) Or many decisions run through DePodesta which is running this organization into the ground.
Whichever is the case, the owner is in over his head or too involved. I believe that turns the right people away from wanting to be part of the solution.
You are right, we don't know everything that he does or does not do, but the perception is that he meddles. Unfortunately, in the eyes of the fan base, perception becomes reality.
I posted earlier in a thread, I really thought that by this time we'd be in the position of the Chiefs, Bills, Ravens and Steelers. Remember how pumped we all were for the last Browns' Thursday Night Game?
The excitement has left the building and we're talking off season and draft...
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I'm starting to feel that way as well. He's a master at making numbers work, not so much at finding talent and assembling the roster.
I hate that I believe the Browns need a new GM, but I think they need a new GM. The quality individuals capable of assessing talent, assembling a roster and doing fuzzy math, won't want to answer to DePodesta.
I don't agree with them answering to DePodesta. I think that is a misplaced idea that has gained traction over the years. There isn't any proof that is the case. He provides analytics to the staff and is an advisor to Haslam.
I don't agree with them answering to DePodesta. I think that is a misplaced idea that has gained traction over the years. There isn't any proof that is the case. He provides analytics to the staff and is an advisor to Haslam.
The Browns have done one thing well since Farmer was fired....total silence.
DePodesta seems to have great influence in acquiring players.
While I certainly cannot prove this, "moneyball" is about getting, or attempting to get talent at a discounted value.
So if he's not involved, why would an Ivy League GM avoid drafting LBs? Why would he continuously draft DBs and ignore such an important position?
Perhaps he has had some positive influence. Maybe he helped find guys like Hance, or Jordan Hicks. But he also may have pushed for guys like Hickman or Tony Fields.
To me, since we can't fire the owner, he's the fall guy ( DePodesta). Remove him, see what happens. I don't think it's a big roll of the dice.
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At some point inevitably... Something has to give... Life is like inertia and gravity wreaking havoc all at once with the Browns.. For every action... Naturally there's a "re-action" Every week it's some bad news... Some gaff someone made... You name it... When it comes to the Cleveland Browns we have run the gamut on Hollywood scenes even the most talented of writers could never conjure up.... One of them was a dear friend of mine who left us way too soon... Something definitely has to happen... I personally think Mike Vrabel is worth passing the keys too... I just don't see anyone imminent or willing to come out of retirement to take the job other than some retread or unknown... Unless you really want to blacken the kettle and take a chance on Jon Gruden (No by the way Or Gregg Williams as a last resort.) But... You get the picture... Slim pickens unless by some divine intervention we land someone by happen stance and it invigorates us... My God we need a positive shot in the arm... And that's the thing I pray for every God damn day following this team... I'm sick of the way the Haslams have done business.. We have broken down every scenario till we were blue in our faces...... We're all still here waiting for these jack offs to do something... Ah WTF man!!!... The years are fewer... Time, Age and the effects of gravity take hold.... The solstice of the winter season soon looming upon us... I remind myself I was born about 2 weeks after the Browns 1964 Championship... Ya know... I'll take an acorn trip to get one man..!! I hope for the love of God things pan out for once... It's fucking Cleveland MAN!!!!
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I see the problem with this ownership in the structure of the organization. The owner needs to make decisions about the financial future of the team and leave the football stuff to football people
KC, Stoolers, Ratbirds, don’t seem to have owners anyone knows. They let the people that know football run things. Those teams draft well, and they sure as hell don’t trade 3 1st round picks for a serial sexual predator. Stop listening to guys in La Jolla, Ca. And stay out of the draft room and just sign the checks
We are stuck with an idiot owner who thinks he knows football and he doesn’t.
Only way this changes is if we get very lucky and find a franchise QB or the owner goes away somehow. And both of those situations are unlikely with the current ownership -
This is one of the reasons Jimmah needs to get someone here that knows football
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
Change as in sell the team??
We know that Jimmy is a Steelers fan but he shouldn't make it so damn obvious.
He would give a speech to the team at the beginning of each season, saying things like, "I want the Browns organization to mirror the Steelers organization.
The he went out and got Watson, which is exactly the opposite of what the Steelers would do. This was highly demoralizing to me and that was before I ever saw Watson play. I don't know how yinz have the stamina to tolerate that; We all know that Steelers fans are idiots, and Jimmy makes it obvious.
Consider the Ravens, They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable are you to God than the Ravens? Book of Luke, Chapter 12, Verse 24. -
This is one of the reasons Jimmah needs to get someone here that knows football
Steelers seem to always play terribly and win. The Browns have perfected playing terribly, now follow through with the wins.
Consider the Ravens, They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable are you to God than the Ravens? Book of Luke, Chapter 12, Verse 24. -
Change as in sell the team??
We know that Jimmy is a Steelers fan but he shouldn't make it so damn obvious.
He would give a speech to the team at the beginning of each season, saying things like, "I want the Browns organization to mirror the Steelers organization.
The he went out and got Watson, which is exactly the opposite of what the Steelers would do. This was highly demoralizing to me and that was before I ever saw Watson play. I don't know how yinz have the stamina to tolerate that; We all know that Steelers fans are idiots, and Jimmy makes it obvious.
We know that Jimmy is a Steelers fan but he shouldn't make it so damn obvious.
He would give a speech to the team at the beginning of each season, saying things like, "I want the Browns organization to mirror the Steelers organization.
The he went out and got Watson, which is exactly the opposite of what the Steelers would do. This was highly demoralizing to me and that was before I ever saw Watson play. I don't know how yinz have the stamina to tolerate that; We all know that Steelers fans are idiots, and Jimmy makes it obvious.
WTF are you talking about.
The only thing that made sense was the beginning of your last sentence, except that you’re the one making it obvious.
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The giving up play calling still leaves me with a lot of questions! Whose call was that? Dorsey got fired mid season with Allen as his QB! What do you think he can do with Winston?
Stafanski may have saw the writing on the wall with Winston and didn’t want his name on that offense. or he’s dead man walking.
Either way they look super dysfunctional once again!
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At least the Jets look way more dysfunctional these days! Ha!
it’s such a bad look cutting ties with GM/coaches so late in the season.
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At least the Jets look way more dysfunctional these days! Ha!
it’s such a bad look cutting ties with GM/coaches so late in the season.
At least the Jets look way more dysfunctional these days! Ha!
it’s such a bad look cutting ties with GM/coaches so late in the season.
At this rate it doesn't matter... Someones taking the fall either way... It's just a question of..."When"
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At least the Jets look way more dysfunctional these days! Ha!
it’s such a bad look cutting ties with GM/coaches so late in the season.
At this rate it doesn't matter... Someones taking the fall either way... It's just a question of..."When"
Someones taking the fall either way...
taking the fall for what though?
Watson sub par play only to get hurt! Playing backup QB yet again! Zero run game that is only starting to work with Chubb back. Oline a mess!
firing a HC or GM this far into the season with back ups all over the field would hoist the Browns as the biggest laughing stock in the league! Completely void of capable management!
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