Kirk Cousins?
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Per Sportrac...
His most recent contract, signed in 2024, was 4 years, $180M, $50M signing bonus, $100M guaranteed. I believe $90M of that is gobbled up in 2024-25. I think the 2025 number is $27.5M, Watson is due $46M in 2025. That's an expensive QB Room.
compared to Jameis's $4M.
I wonder if the Browns could somehow Bobby Bonilla the Watson contract...refinance and stretch the contract out over time, pay him to stay home, stay away and not infect the locker room.
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I never understood why the Falcons signed Cousins to a huge contract and then drafted Penix 8th overall.
"We believe in you Kirk....kinda"
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Per Sportrac...
His most recent contract, signed in 2024, was 4 years, $180M, $50M signing bonus, $100M guaranteed. I believe $90M of that is gobbled up in 2024-25. I think the 2025 number is $27.5M, Watson is due $46M in 2025. That's an expensive QB Room.
compared to Jameis's $4M.
I wonder if the Browns could somehow Bobby Bonilla the Watson contract...refinance and stretch the contract out over time, pay him to stay home, stay away and not infect the locker room.
Per Sportrac...
His most recent contract, signed in 2024, was 4 years, $180M, $50M signing bonus, $100M guaranteed. I believe $90M of that is gobbled up in 2024-25. I think the 2025 number is $27.5M, Watson is due $46M in 2025. That's an expensive QB Room.
compared to Jameis's $4M.
I wonder if the Browns could somehow Bobby Bonilla the Watson contract...refinance and stretch the contract out over time, pay him to stay home, stay away and not infect the locker room.
He's got a no trade clause - interesting read here:
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Per Sportrac...
His most recent contract, signed in 2024, was 4 years, $180M, $50M signing bonus, $100M guaranteed. I believe $90M of that is gobbled up in 2024-25. I think the 2025 number is $27.5M, Watson is due $46M in 2025. That's an expensive QB Room.
compared to Jameis's $4M.
I wonder if the Browns could somehow Bobby Bonilla the Watson contract...refinance and stretch the contract out over time, pay him to stay home, stay away and not infect the locker room.
He's got a no trade clause - interesting read here:
He's got a no trade clause - interesting read here:
Interesting and entertaining....
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I never understood why the Falcons signed Cousins to a huge contract and then drafted Penix 8th overall.
"We believe in you Kirk....kinda"
I never understood why the Falcons signed Cousins to a huge contract and then drafted Penix 8th overall.
"We believe in you Kirk....kinda"
Sign and sit used to be the way of the NFL QB. The Packers still execute such diligence. I think its a rather strategic philosophy. As @ballpeenstated in another thread, we're all looking/waiting for a HOF QB, when all we need is a good QB.
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I never understood why the Falcons signed Cousins to a huge contract and then drafted Penix 8th overall.
"We believe in you Kirk....kinda"
Sign and sit used to be the way of the NFL QB. The Packers still execute such diligence. I think its a rather strategic philosophy. As @ballpeenstated in another thread, we're all looking/waiting for a HOF QB, when all we need is a good QB.
Sign and sit used to be the way of the NFL QB. The Packers still execute such diligence. I think its a rather strategic philosophy. As @ballpeenstated in another thread, we're all looking/waiting for a HOF QB, when all we need is a good QB.
It blows my mind that teams don't understand this. How many QBs in the last decade or so play right away in bad situations and get ruined, OR play right away and succeed at first, but then struggle when the league catches up to them and guess what - because they were rushed into playing they haven't had the time to develop a well-rounded game. So when the league figures them out, they have no counter punch. No Plan B.
The Browns need a QB who can thrive in Stefanski's offense. (And by Stefanski's offense, I mean what the team ran from 2020-2023, before this Ken Dorsey RPO for Deshaun nonsense began) Since Stefanski's offense isn't "cutting edge", I think they can find someone to run it well outside a top 10 pick. I don't know if this is the year, though.
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A big hell no on Cousins.. Spend all available assets in the draft and the FA market to make the offensive and defensive lines the best in the league.. That's where the the games are won and lost.
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A big hell no on Cousins.. Spend all available assets in the draft and the FA market to make the offensive and defensive lines the best in the league.. That's where the the games are won and lost.
A big hell no on Cousins.. Spend all available assets in the draft and the FA market to make the offensive and defensive lines the best in the league.. That's where the the games are won and lost.
Not really arguing against what your saying but Browns had one of these best O lines in the league and did jack shit with those guys.
We need a somewhat competent QB and I don't think there's one on our roster.
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A big hell no on Cousins.. Spend all available assets in the draft and the FA market to make the offensive and defensive lines the best in the league.. That's where the the games are won and lost.
Not really arguing against what your saying but Browns had one of these best O lines in the league and did jack shit with those guys.
We need a somewhat competent QB and I don't think there's one on our roster.
I like Kirk-O a bit. If he was cheaper I'd have no issues with that sort of move.
Not really arguing against what your saying but Browns had one of these best O lines in the league and did jack shit with those guys.
We need a somewhat competent QB and I don't think there's one on our roster.
Having a top tier Oline allowed the Browns to be within a game of the playoffs under Hoyer, then serve as the driving force for another playoff run with Baker.
It blows my mind that teams don't understand this. How many QBs in the last decade or so play right away in bad situations and get ruined, OR play right away and succeed at first, but then struggle when the league catches up to them and guess what - because they were rushed into playing they haven't had the time to develop a well-rounded game. So when the league figures them out, they have no counter punch. No Plan B.
The Browns need a QB who can thrive in Stefanski's offense. (And by Stefanski's offense, I mean what the team ran from 2020-2023, before this Ken Dorsey RPO for Deshaun nonsense began) Since Stefanski's offense isn't "cutting edge", I think they can find someone to run it well outside a top 10 pick. I don't know if this is the year, though.
Something the Steelers have reminded everyone of this year - it doesn't take anything complicated to be competitive and to even sneak in division titles during the "between" years.
They run the rock, sprinkle in the QBs legs, use play action and play good defense. They're on their way towards the playoffs and possibly winning the division while you have 2 of the top 3 MVP candidates playing QB in the AFCN. One of them posting historic passing numbers yet still losing games.
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I like Kirk-O a bit. If he was cheaper I'd have no issues with that sort of move.
Not really arguing against what your saying but Browns had one of these best O lines in the league and did jack shit with those guys.
We need a somewhat competent QB and I don't think there's one on our roster.
Having a top tier Oline allowed the Browns to be within a game of the playoffs under Hoyer, then serve as the driving force for another playoff run with Baker.
It blows my mind that teams don't understand this. How many QBs in the last decade or so play right away in bad situations and get ruined, OR play right away and succeed at first, but then struggle when the league catches up to them and guess what - because they were rushed into playing they haven't had the time to develop a well-rounded game. So when the league figures them out, they have no counter punch. No Plan B.
The Browns need a QB who can thrive in Stefanski's offense. (And by Stefanski's offense, I mean what the team ran from 2020-2023, before this Ken Dorsey RPO for Deshaun nonsense began) Since Stefanski's offense isn't "cutting edge", I think they can find someone to run it well outside a top 10 pick. I don't know if this is the year, though.
Something the Steelers have reminded everyone of this year - it doesn't take anything complicated to be competitive and to even sneak in division titles during the "between" years.
They run the rock, sprinkle in the QBs legs, use play action and play good defense. They're on their way towards the playoffs and possibly winning the division while you have 2 of the top 3 MVP candidates playing QB in the AFCN. One of them posting historic passing numbers yet still losing games.
Having a top tier Oline allowed the Browns to be within a game of the playoffs under Hoyer, then serve as the driving force for another playoff run with Baker.
So spend all that draft capital to miss the playoffs and have a one and out. Having a great OLine is definitely a huge benefit. We 100% need to address our OLine. But in today's football - give me an average O Line and use your capital to get more play makers.
Something the Steelers have reminded everyone of this year - it doesn't take anything complicated to be competitive and to even sneak in division titles during the "between" years.
They run the rock, sprinkle in the QBs legs, use play action and play good defense. They're on their way towards the playoffs and possibly winning the division while you have 2 of the top 3 MVP candidates playing QB in the AFCN. One of them posting historic passing numbers yet still losing games.
And I swore this was going to be a down year for the Steelers before the season started! Stats are a weird thing - you have to be pass heavy when you're down and thus inflate said states. Look at Jameis - he was posting killer passing stats (other than turn overs) and we're still losing games.
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I like Kirk-O a bit. If he was cheaper I'd have no issues with that sort of move.
Not really arguing against what your saying but Browns had one of these best O lines in the league and did jack shit with those guys.
We need a somewhat competent QB and I don't think there's one on our roster.
Having a top tier Oline allowed the Browns to be within a game of the playoffs under Hoyer, then serve as the driving force for another playoff run with Baker.
It blows my mind that teams don't understand this. How many QBs in the last decade or so play right away in bad situations and get ruined, OR play right away and succeed at first, but then struggle when the league catches up to them and guess what - because they were rushed into playing they haven't had the time to develop a well-rounded game. So when the league figures them out, they have no counter punch. No Plan B.
The Browns need a QB who can thrive in Stefanski's offense. (And by Stefanski's offense, I mean what the team ran from 2020-2023, before this Ken Dorsey RPO for Deshaun nonsense began) Since Stefanski's offense isn't "cutting edge", I think they can find someone to run it well outside a top 10 pick. I don't know if this is the year, though.
Something the Steelers have reminded everyone of this year - it doesn't take anything complicated to be competitive and to even sneak in division titles during the "between" years.
They run the rock, sprinkle in the QBs legs, use play action and play good defense. They're on their way towards the playoffs and possibly winning the division while you have 2 of the top 3 MVP candidates playing QB in the AFCN. One of them posting historic passing numbers yet still losing games.
you have 2 of the top 3 MVP candidates playing QB in the AFCN. One of them posting historic passing numbers yet still losing games.
Those 2 QB's don't have good enough defenses. (see Tale of the Tape for this week)
I like Kirk-O a bit. If he was cheaper I'd have no issues with that sort of move
Yup. Too costly. Especially for us.
As for the OLine...What is the major problem there? Everyone loves Bitonio, Teller & Conklin. So is it Pocic and whomever is at LT? I mean we can't run left, right or up the middle. And I'm sure we're still leading the league in sacks. Do we want to throw in the loss of Callahan?
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you have 2 of the top 3 MVP candidates playing QB in the AFCN. One of them posting historic passing numbers yet still losing games.
Those 2 QB's don't have good enough defenses. (see Tale of the Tape for this week)
I like Kirk-O a bit. If he was cheaper I'd have no issues with that sort of move
Yup. Too costly. Especially for us.
As for the OLine...What is the major problem there? Everyone loves Bitonio, Teller & Conklin. So is it Pocic and whomever is at LT? I mean we can't run left, right or up the middle. And I'm sure we're still leading the league in sacks. Do we want to throw in the loss of Callahan?
Those 2 QB's don't have good enough defenses. (see Tale of the Tape for this week)
Yup. Too costly. Especially for us.
As for the OLine...What is the major problem there? Everyone loves Bitonio, Teller & Conklin. So is it Pocic and whomever is at LT? I mean we can't run left, right or up the middle. And I'm sure we're still leading the league in sacks. Do we want to throw in the loss of Callahan?
The Oline? Health and age at our guard spots combined with injury and talent death at the tackle spots.
Pocic is a solid player. But when you have instability on both sides of you, it's harder to show your value.
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Having a top tier Oline allowed the Browns to be within a game of the playoffs under Hoyer, then serve as the driving force for another playoff run with Baker.
So spend all that draft capital to miss the playoffs and have a one and out. Having a great OLine is definitely a huge benefit. We 100% need to address our OLine. But in today's football - give me an average O Line and use your capital to get more play makers.
Something the Steelers have reminded everyone of this year - it doesn't take anything complicated to be competitive and to even sneak in division titles during the "between" years.
They run the rock, sprinkle in the QBs legs, use play action and play good defense. They're on their way towards the playoffs and possibly winning the division while you have 2 of the top 3 MVP candidates playing QB in the AFCN. One of them posting historic passing numbers yet still losing games.
And I swore this was going to be a down year for the Steelers before the season started! Stats are a weird thing - you have to be pass heavy when you're down and thus inflate said states. Look at Jameis - he was posting killer passing stats (other than turn overs) and we're still losing games.
So spend all that draft capital to miss the playoffs and have a one and out. Having a great OLine is definitely a huge benefit. We 100% need to address our OLine. But in today's football - give me an average O Line and use your capital to get more play makers.
Average Oline combined with average QB play tends to produce average to below average results. When the Oline took a hit in 2019 Baker struggled with turnovers, even with Odell, Juice, Njoku, Chubb, etc etc.
I'd turn to Sam Darnold as my best example. Plays behind the best pass blocking Oline on the planet and arguably the best WR in the game. Now people are talking about a career resurgence. Not that I'm dismissing how dysfunctional the Jets are, not in the least. But that OL and Justin Jefferson have elevated his game where he was unable to elevate those around him, let alone consistently feed a #1 target previously.
What it has also done is to give Minnesota flexibility. He's done enough where there will be talks of him now being worth a pick in a trade. Where previously he was a cut and waiver candidate. earn him another contract somewhere that's going to get him paid. Minnesota wins either way, if they keep or trade him.
Crux of my point. Their personnel and coaching took a career average to below average QB and have helped him produce above average results. If Darnold walks into a league average Oline situation, the Vikes would not have the record they currently do.
And I swore this was going to be a down year for the Steelers before the season started! Stats are a weird thing - you have to be pass heavy when you're down and thus inflate said states. Look at Jameis - he was posting killer passing stats (other than turn overs) and we're still losing games.
Drew Brees is one of my all time favorite players. He had a 6 year stretch where he lead the league in passing 5 of those years, putting up historic numbers. Of those 6 years, the Sajnts had a losing record 4 of them.
Goes to show that football, much like life, is about proper balance.
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Those 2 QB's don't have good enough defenses. (see Tale of the Tape for this week)
Yup. Too costly. Especially for us.
As for the OLine...What is the major problem there? Everyone loves Bitonio, Teller & Conklin. So is it Pocic and whomever is at LT? I mean we can't run left, right or up the middle. And I'm sure we're still leading the league in sacks. Do we want to throw in the loss of Callahan?
The Oline? Health and age at our guard spots combined with injury and talent death at the tackle spots.
Pocic is a solid player. But when you have instability on both sides of you, it's harder to show your value.
The Oline? Health and age at our guard spots combined with injury and talent death at the tackle spots.
Pocic is a solid player. But when you have instability on both sides of you, it's harder to show your value.
The OL, minus LT, has been together for several games now...but we still can't run the ball or protect the QB.
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The Oline? Health and age at our guard spots combined with injury and talent death at the tackle spots.
Pocic is a solid player. But when you have instability on both sides of you, it's harder to show your value.
The OL, minus LT, has been together for several games now...but we still can't run the ball or protect the QB.
The OL, minus LT, has been together for several games now...but we still can't run the ball or protect the QB.
Again, age and injury. They just don't have it like they use to. Isn't hard to tell when you see how they fire off the ball, especially in the lateral run game.
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Those 2 QB's don't have good enough defenses. (see Tale of the Tape for this week)
Yup. Too costly. Especially for us.
As for the OLine...What is the major problem there? Everyone loves Bitonio, Teller & Conklin. So is it Pocic and whomever is at LT? I mean we can't run left, right or up the middle. And I'm sure we're still leading the league in sacks. Do we want to throw in the loss of Callahan?
The Oline? Health and age at our guard spots combined with injury and talent death at the tackle spots.
Pocic is a solid player. But when you have instability on both sides of you, it's harder to show your value.
The Oline? Health and age at our guard spots combined with injury and talent death at the tackle spots.
Pocic is a solid player. But when you have instability on both sides of you, it's harder to show your value.
Thoughts on the few games Zinter started?
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A big hell no on Cousins.. Spend all available assets in the draft and the FA market to make the offensive and defensive lines the best in the league.. That's where the the games are won and lost.
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Thoughts on the few games Zinter started?
Well, when Pro Bowl RG Wyatt Teller was his age he didn't play at all so keep this in mind with NFL Linemen. How quickly they develop tends to vary especially inside when an OG can face a stout 340 pound DT with ideal leverage.
To answer your question, he looked promising. Most of his mistakes seemed to be more cognitive than physical. That said, he was the guy that left the Ohio State - Michigan game with a brutal lower leg injury. It was amazing he was cleared for contact at the onset of training camp. I think he's going to be very solid and ready to start the day Bitonio retires. That may be sooner than some people think.
Don't forget we're getting Luke Wypler back healthy next year. That's right, the Wypler Snapper who can also can also play Guard. I thought it was an absolute steal getting him in round 6.
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Thoughts on the few games Zinter started?
I thought he belonged on the bench. But that's just me.
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