Who Are You Taking For Browns at #2?
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Not a QB worthy of a #2 overall pick.
Trade down and accumulate draft picks.
When the Browns pick, choose best player available.
Not a QB worthy of a #2 overall pick.
Trade down and accumulate draft picks.
When the Browns pick, choose best player available.
If forced to stay at #2, who do you take?
read much ?
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Not a QB worthy of a #2 overall pick.
Trade down and accumulate draft picks.
When the Browns pick, choose best player available.
If forced to stay at #2, who do you take?
read much ?
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Another question who would you all be disappointed with at #2?
My list is pretty simple.
1) A QB other than Sanders or Ward. If we are pulling the trigger here I’ll be skeptical but I’ll have faith although we’ve been burned so many times. I don’t see a QB at 2. Not when Stefanski has a “type” and it he’s brought along some journeyman meaning he can work with less. Now I’m hearing Milroe and I want to puke. There’s nothing I like there and I can see trade back in round 1 getting additional picks and taking him later in round 1. And telling us all “we got a QB and extra picks.” Check and check. No please. Not Milroe.
2 Mason Graham at 2. I don’t want solid at this spot I want the potential to be great
3. any Olineman at 2. See comment above.
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Not a QB worthy of a #2 overall pick.
Trade down and accumulate draft picks.
When the Browns pick, choose best player available.
If forced to stay at #2, who do you take?
read much ?
If forced to stay at #2, who do you take?
read much ?
I’m of the mindset that if you can’t get a skill position player (of need) then you draft linemen, whether D or O.
With that said, I would pull the trigger on Carter at #2.
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Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
If forced to stay at #2, who do you take?
read much ?
I’m of the mindset that if you can’t get a skill position player (of need) then you draft linemen, whether D or O.
With that said, I would pull the trigger on Carter at #2.
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? You and Syd are sporting a little throw-back vibe to the Miller Lite commercials.
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If forced to stay at #2, who do you take?
read much ?
I’m of the mindset that if you can’t get a skill position player (of need) then you draft linemen, whether D or O.
With that said, I would pull the trigger on Carter at #2.
Read much?
I would pull the trigger on Carter at #2
well there you go, that wasn't so hard now was it, I couldn't disagree more. I believe we can find a playmaking DE/LB later in the draft. But a guy like Hunter is a top 5 pick and I do not believe you can find someone else with his skill set in this years draft,
To much reading tends to complicate easy to see facts
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I'd take Sanders if he's there at #2. I'd probably opt to trade down if TN took him.
I was thinking about him this morning (probably because The Fan was talking about him) and I realized I have the same feeling regarding Sanders on-the-field as I did Baker prior to the draft: Good floor, so-so ceiling guy. A QB I'd be surprised if he turned out to be a bust, but I have doubts would ever be a top 5 type either.
But then you add in the potential off-field issues with drafting him, IMO.
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I do not think either QB is likely to be that great so I would get a free agent QB, draft either Carter or Hunter. Then I would look in the later rounds for a developmental QB and look for a great qB next year
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I do not think either QB is likely to be that great so I would get a free agent QB, draft either Carter or Hunter. Then I would look in the later rounds for a developmental QB and look for a great qB next year
I do not think either QB is likely to be that great so I would get a free agent QB, draft either Carter or Hunter. Then I would look in the later rounds for a developmental QB and look for a great qB next year
what the Martian said
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I'd take Sanders if he's there at #2. I'd probably opt to trade down if TN took him.
I was thinking about him this morning (probably because The Fan was talking about him) and I realized I have the same feeling regarding Sanders on-the-field as I did Baker prior to the draft: Good floor, so-so ceiling guy. A QB I'd be surprised if he turned out to be a bust, but I have doubts would ever be a top 5 type either.
But then you add in the potential off-field issues with drafting him, IMO.
I was thinking about him this morning ... Good floor, so-so ceiling guy. A QB I'd be surprised if he turned out to be a bust,
We don't have a QB. (I'm a freakin' broken record I know) It's like playing tennis with a ping pong paddle. Does the QB have to be great? Well, he's gotta be pretty darned good. From what I read about Sanders, he's accurate and has a decent arm (not a great arm). He holds the ball too long and doesn't throw until he sees his receiver open. What does that say about him? To me it says that he's reluctant to throw the ball to the other team. That's not a bad thing. Does he have to be schooled to get the ball out on time? Sure. But I agree that odds are he won't be a total bust.
At first I felt that the Titans would take Cam Ward...but I now believe it will be Sanders that they pick.
From what I see of Ward, I see a QB that can sling the ball around from any position. Sidearm, 3/4, over the top, whatever. Reminds me of Mahomes. If we don't pick him, he's got nothing to worry about...he'll probably go 3rd, or 5th.
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Spoiler alert: If you don't want to read a long winded rant from this overcaffeinated blow hard - don't waste any time reading anything below...
I didn't even hesitate to take Hunter in this poll last night. I think Abdul Carter is a great player; but the last time I saw him play he kept leaving the game with pain/discomfort when his INJURED shoulder kept flaring up. For an undersized edge rusher, an injury to the ball and socket impacts the levers and wing span these guys rely on. Now factor in the reputation Jimmy's medical/sports med staff has here for their injury and reinjury volumes. This has "hope he does well but the Browns can't afford another major risk like this guy" written all over it. Talented? Yes. #2 overall? That's the kind of Russian Roulette I saw in "Deer Hunter."
The last time the Browns drafted a "can't miss" edge rusher from Penn State #1 overall it was Courtney Brown in 2000 - he was average at best for this team. To be honest, he was rarely ever injured in college while injuries in Cleveland became why many excused him. I don't think he was horrible by any means; but a pick that high carries massive expectations.
In 2001, Courtney Brown had a season ending injury so Jamir Miller went from a stand-up LBer to a 3 point stance on the edge. Jamir ended with 13 sacks. Much of this was after the 5th game (that Courtney got injured in) so that projects an even larger inventory of sacks and TFL. This was pretty much a position change for his first time in this role with the Browns. He looked way more like a 1st overall impact than Courtney Brown.
Season Team Type G Solo Ast Total TFL Sack YdsL Int IntYds IntTD FF PD Sfty 2000 CLE Reg 16 64 21 85 9 5.0 43 1 0 0 0 7 0 2001 CLE Reg 16 83 18 101 22 13.0 72 1 0 0 4 14 0 Here's a cut and paste from Wikipedia in italics
Up until 2007, Jamir Miller was the only Browns player to be selected to the Pro Bowl since the team re-entered the NFL in 1999. In 2007, seven Browns players were nominated to the 2008 Pro Bowl. Miller was one of four linebackers selected to the Associated Press All-Pro team in 2001. (The other 3 were Jason Gildon, Brian Urlacher, and Ray Lewis.)
Miller was carted off the field after tearing his right Achilles tendon in a 27–15 preseason victory over the Minnesota Vikings to start the 2002 pre-season. He was placed on injured reserve August 13, 2002, but the severity of his injury led to him being waived on February 22, 2003, the end of the 2002 campaign. Afterwards he retired.
Here's Courtney Brown's NFL career and a lot of his Tackles for a Loss in the rookie season were backside clampdowns where many opposing O-lines were reach blocking to the play-side meaning nobody was assigned to touch Courtney Brown coming from the backside (quite often not even a reach and hinge was used to attempt to seal him off or slow him down). A big guy like that with 4.6 speed and a huge wing span was wreaking havoc when opponents weren't even trying to block him. The more teams got film on him the more they decided to run at him the way TSUN did in the Big 10 for their long sustained TD scoring drives that beat that Penn State team.
So here's his career stats:
Career Defense Defense Season Team Type G Solo Ast Total TFL Sack YdsL Int IntYds IntTD FF PD Sfty Total - Reg 58 156 40 196 0 19.0 118 0 0 0 7 23 0 2000 CLE Reg 16 61 8 69 16 4.5 23 0 0 0 0 8 0 2001 CLE Reg 5 14 7 21 4 4.5 39 0 0 0 2 4 0 2002 CLE Reg 11 30 12 42 4 2.0 10 0 0 0 1 6 0 2003 CLE Reg 13 29 9 38 6 6.0 33 0 0 0 4 4 0 2004 CLE Reg 2 2 0 2 1 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2005 DEN Reg 14 20 4 24 1 2.0 14 0 0 0 0 1 0 If you're still reading - why all that? The NFL is a copy cat league so when someone finds your weakness - it goes viral to all future opponents. I'm not saying Abdul Carter is the same guy; but you better believe an injury like that should be researched thoroughly before he has to count on whatever kind of medical staff Jimmy has been using for his franchise.
Spoiler alert: If you don't want to read a long winded rant from this overcaffeinated blow hard - don't waste any time reading anything below...
I didn't even hesitate to take Hunter in this poll last night. I think Abdul Carter is a great player; but the last time I saw him play he kept leaving the game with pain/discomfort when his INJURED shoulder kept flaring up. For an undersized edge rusher, an injury to the ball and socket impacts the levers and wing span these guys rely on. Now factor in the reputation Jimmy's medical/sports med staff has here for their injury and reinjury volumes. This has "hope he does well but the Browns can't afford another major risk like this guy" written all over it. Talented? Yes. #2 overall? That's the kind of Russian Roulette I saw in "Deer Hunter."
The last time the Browns drafted a "can't miss" edge rusher from Penn State #1 overall it was Courtney Brown in 2000 - he was average at best for this team. To be honest, he was rarely ever injured in college while injuries in Cleveland became why many excused him. I don't think he was horrible by any means; but a pick that high carries massive expectations.
In 2001, Courtney Brown had a season ending injury so Jamir Miller went from a stand-up LBer to a 3 point stance on the edge. Jamir ended with 13 sacks. Much of this was after the 5th game (that Courtney got injured in) so that projects an even larger inventory of sacks and TFL. This was pretty much a position change for his first time in this role with the Browns. He looked way more like a 1st overall impact than Courtney Brown.
Season Team Type G Solo Ast Total TFL Sack YdsL Int IntYds IntTD FF PD Sfty 2000 CLE Reg 16 64 21 85 9 5.0 43 1 0 0 0 7 0 2001 CLE Reg 16 83 18 101 22 13.0 72 1 0 0 4 14 0 Here's a cut and paste from Wikipedia in italics
Up until 2007, Jamir Miller was the only Browns player to be selected to the Pro Bowl since the team re-entered the NFL in 1999. In 2007, seven Browns players were nominated to the 2008 Pro Bowl. Miller was one of four linebackers selected to the Associated Press All-Pro team in 2001. (The other 3 were Jason Gildon, Brian Urlacher, and Ray Lewis.)
Miller was carted off the field after tearing his right Achilles tendon in a 27–15 preseason victory over the Minnesota Vikings to start the 2002 pre-season. He was placed on injured reserve August 13, 2002, but the severity of his injury led to him being waived on February 22, 2003, the end of the 2002 campaign. Afterwards he retired.
Here's Courtney Brown's NFL career and a lot of his Tackles for a Loss in the rookie season were backside clampdowns where many opposing O-lines were reach blocking to the play-side meaning nobody was assigned to touch Courtney Brown coming from the backside (quite often not even a reach and hinge was used to attempt to seal him off or slow him down). A big guy like that with 4.6 speed and a huge wing span was wreaking havoc when opponents weren't even trying to block him. The more teams got film on him the more they decided to run at him the way TSUN did in the Big 10 for their long sustained TD scoring drives that beat that Penn State team.
So here's his career stats:
Career Defense Defense Season Team Type G Solo Ast Total TFL Sack YdsL Int IntYds IntTD FF PD Sfty Total - Reg 58 156 40 196 0 19.0 118 0 0 0 7 23 0 2000 CLE Reg 16 61 8 69 16 4.5 23 0 0 0 0 8 0 2001 CLE Reg 5 14 7 21 4 4.5 39 0 0 0 2 4 0 2002 CLE Reg 11 30 12 42 4 2.0 10 0 0 0 1 6 0 2003 CLE Reg 13 29 9 38 6 6.0 33 0 0 0 4 4 0 2004 CLE Reg 2 2 0 2 1 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2005 DEN Reg 14 20 4 24 1 2.0 14 0 0 0 0 1 0 If you're still reading - why all that? The NFL is a copy cat league so when someone finds your weakness - it goes viral to all future opponents. I'm not saying Abdul Carter is the same guy; but you better believe an injury like that should be researched thoroughly before he has to count on whatever kind of medical staff Jimmy has been using for his franchise.
I see everyone took my advice in the spoiler alert. ?
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Spoiler alert: If you don't want to read a long winded rant from this overcaffeinated blow hard - don't waste any time reading anything below...
I didn't even hesitate to take Hunter in this poll last night. I think Abdul Carter is a great player; but the last time I saw him play he kept leaving the game with pain/discomfort when his INJURED shoulder kept flaring up. For an undersized edge rusher, an injury to the ball and socket impacts the levers and wing span these guys rely on. Now factor in the reputation Jimmy's medical/sports med staff has here for their injury and reinjury volumes. This has "hope he does well but the Browns can't afford another major risk like this guy" written all over it. Talented? Yes. #2 overall? That's the kind of Russian Roulette I saw in "Deer Hunter."
The last time the Browns drafted a "can't miss" edge rusher from Penn State #1 overall it was Courtney Brown in 2000 - he was average at best for this team. To be honest, he was rarely ever injured in college while injuries in Cleveland became why many excused him. I don't think he was horrible by any means; but a pick that high carries massive expectations.
In 2001, Courtney Brown had a season ending injury so Jamir Miller went from a stand-up LBer to a 3 point stance on the edge. Jamir ended with 13 sacks. Much of this was after the 5th game (that Courtney got injured in) so that projects an even larger inventory of sacks and TFL. This was pretty much a position change for his first time in this role with the Browns. He looked way more like a 1st overall impact than Courtney Brown.
Season Team Type G Solo Ast Total TFL Sack YdsL Int IntYds IntTD FF PD Sfty 2000 CLE Reg 16 64 21 85 9 5.0 43 1 0 0 0 7 0 2001 CLE Reg 16 83 18 101 22 13.0 72 1 0 0 4 14 0 Here's a cut and paste from Wikipedia in italics
Up until 2007, Jamir Miller was the only Browns player to be selected to the Pro Bowl since the team re-entered the NFL in 1999. In 2007, seven Browns players were nominated to the 2008 Pro Bowl. Miller was one of four linebackers selected to the Associated Press All-Pro team in 2001. (The other 3 were Jason Gildon, Brian Urlacher, and Ray Lewis.)
Miller was carted off the field after tearing his right Achilles tendon in a 27–15 preseason victory over the Minnesota Vikings to start the 2002 pre-season. He was placed on injured reserve August 13, 2002, but the severity of his injury led to him being waived on February 22, 2003, the end of the 2002 campaign. Afterwards he retired.
Here's Courtney Brown's NFL career and a lot of his Tackles for a Loss in the rookie season were backside clampdowns where many opposing O-lines were reach blocking to the play-side meaning nobody was assigned to touch Courtney Brown coming from the backside (quite often not even a reach and hinge was used to attempt to seal him off or slow him down). A big guy like that with 4.6 speed and a huge wing span was wreaking havoc when opponents weren't even trying to block him. The more teams got film on him the more they decided to run at him the way TSUN did in the Big 10 for their long sustained TD scoring drives that beat that Penn State team.
So here's his career stats:
Career Defense Defense Season Team Type G Solo Ast Total TFL Sack YdsL Int IntYds IntTD FF PD Sfty Total - Reg 58 156 40 196 0 19.0 118 0 0 0 7 23 0 2000 CLE Reg 16 61 8 69 16 4.5 23 0 0 0 0 8 0 2001 CLE Reg 5 14 7 21 4 4.5 39 0 0 0 2 4 0 2002 CLE Reg 11 30 12 42 4 2.0 10 0 0 0 1 6 0 2003 CLE Reg 13 29 9 38 6 6.0 33 0 0 0 4 4 0 2004 CLE Reg 2 2 0 2 1 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2005 DEN Reg 14 20 4 24 1 2.0 14 0 0 0 0 1 0 If you're still reading - why all that? The NFL is a copy cat league so when someone finds your weakness - it goes viral to all future opponents. I'm not saying Abdul Carter is the same guy; but you better believe an injury like that should be researched thoroughly before he has to count on whatever kind of medical staff Jimmy has been using for his franchise.
I see everyone took my advice in the spoiler alert. ?
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We're damaged lol.
Our IQs have deteriorated being Browns fans ?
For example, we're gonna have some fun with all our dreaming about the exciting opportunities this draft has available for our draft position.
Looking at what Yahoo drafted for both of Cal's fantasy football teams - maybe Jimmy ought to look to Yahoo to do his draft...
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We're damaged lol.
Our IQs have deteriorated being Browns fans ?
For example, we're gonna have some fun with all our dreaming about the exciting opportunities this draft has available for our draft position.
Looking at what Yahoo drafted for both of Cal's fantasy football teams - maybe Jimmy ought to look to Yahoo to do his draft...
For example, we're gonna have some fun with all our dreaming about the exciting opportunities this draft has available for our draft position.
Looking at what Yahoo drafted for both of Cal's fantasy football teams - maybe Jimmy ought to look to Yahoo to do his draft...
Wait, Cal doesn't even draft his own teams?!
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For example, we're gonna have some fun with all our dreaming about the exciting opportunities this draft has available for our draft position.
Looking at what Yahoo drafted for both of Cal's fantasy football teams - maybe Jimmy ought to look to Yahoo to do his draft...
Wait, Cal doesn't even draft his own teams?!
Wait, Cal doesn't even draft his own teams?!
And you act surprised, you silly goose...
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