Sam Bradford Cleveland 2010
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I like Locker ever since watching play against the real OSU.
Pike is the cat I really like, kid is tight.
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Sure I wouldn't be against grooming him under Anderson for a year or two.
Groom a QB with a 24-25 year old starter ahead of him? Makes no sense based on this team's needs.
You must have simply lost your senses when suggesting any interest in a QB. Crazyness!
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3 games Shep. 3 games.
Just a bit premature announcing this kid as having "arrived".
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Since the Browns are incapable of utilizing the draft to get a QB, why not just trade away the first or second round pick for a proven veteran QB?
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NO FIRST ROUND QB"S EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER ... There are better ways to build a team. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
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As long as we take a Franchise QB...I don't care who it is...Bradford, McCoy or pike...is pike a senior?
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Stay as far from a QB as possible in this draft. The Browns need an O-line. The Browns need a Defense etc...
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If history teaches us anything the good qb's are coming out of mainstream colleges anymore. I mean look at Big Gay Ben...Miami of Ohio. Joe Flacco....Delaware. Steve McNair (R.I.P) Alcorn State. Plenty that have come from big name schools have fallen flat on their faces Matt Leinart (USC)...Rex Grossman (Florida)....Drew Henson (Michigan)*
*Incidently Drew Henson hasn't touched a football in at least 5 years while his "understudy" has been to 4 Super Bowls and won 3 of them and he was drafted in the 6th round.
Drafting in the first round for a QB isn't always the answer.
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If Sam Bradford couldn't survive against BYU with one of the more talented lineups - what would be his prognosis behind this line against the defenses in our division?
Be CAREFUL about the Big 12 Qbs - they don't play a lick of defense in that conference. IMO, it could be an enormous false positive. For example, Graham Harrell posted eye popping numbers and he couldn't make our QB deprived outfit. He's in the CFL today - if he even made it there.
Here's another thing to consider - Bradford is used to being on a talented team that is well coached. He comes here and he gets the SAME culture shock that many of our Head Coaches found when they came from the land of Parcells or BB only to find there's no Lawrence Taylors or Tom Bradys here. Just an FYI, BB was winless in NE until Brady replaced Bledsoe. Look it up. Even the best coaches on the planet need an X-factor or 2. The same holds true with the QBs.
Ask yourself this Sunday regardless of who is starting at QB - WHO do you want the football to go to. WHO does the opposing defense need to worry about. If you have a good answer - I'm all ears.
- Tom F.
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The more I think about it, I say draft Tebow and run a dual QB system with Cribbs as the other.
Dump both DA and Quinn..they are a couple of stiffs.
Just run the spread option and move the chains and score.
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This is where EVERY Qb controversy in Cleveland starts....take a qb , don't take a QB, Take Bradford don't take Bradford, Take McCoy don't take McCoy, don't take a Qb in first round, don't take a qb from this conference, don't take a qb till we have ALL first round O-lineman....FKN STUPID! EVERY FKN YEAR SAME FKN BULLSHIT! DRAFT A QB WITH OUR #1 PICK....PERIOD!
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Thing is, it doesn't matter who you draft at qb, even a great qb will get his rear kicked in with no oline.
No protection, no running game, no successful qb.
Leinart deserved better, so did a lot of qb's.
Archie Manning was a great one, the most prominent example I can remember.
He got the snot beaten out of him. Look at the teams those qb's go to.
Flacco? Give me a break. Top 5 defense, great rbs, great TE, etc.. fixed oline.
Barfsonhisburger? #1 defense, great rbs', great receivers, good oline...
Alex Smith? Went to the Niners in a bad situation, got beaten up, "all gone".
Leinart? Went to the earlier Cards. Bad situation then.
You build the team on the lines, then with the engine running, you add the wr's and qb on offense, and it works.
It takes a veteran qb to handle the pressure of a poor offense, otherwise, the rookie qb gets
beaten to a pulp trying to learn the game.
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Lumbergh... Did you watch the Arizona / Oregon St game? I ask because I didn't see Pike against your defense, but sophomore Nick Foles of Arizona seemed to have just as good of a game in the box score against the Beavers and they both have similar frames. Obviously Foles has had one career start and Pike is a Pro QB next season, but I just wanted to get an outsiders opinion of what they saw from Foles.
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Thing is, it doesn't matter who you draft at qb, even a great qb will get his rear kicked in with no oline.
No protection, no running game, no successful qb.
Leinart deserved better, so did a lot of qb's.
Archie Manning was a great one, the most prominent example I can remember.
He got the snot beaten out of him. Look at the teams those qb's go to.
Flacco? Give me a break. Top 5 defense, great rbs, great TE, etc.. fixed oline.
Barfsonhisburger? #1 defense, great rbs', great receivers, good oline...
Alex Smith? Went to the Niners in a bad situation, got beaten up, "all gone".
Leinart? Went to the earlier Cards. Bad situation then.
You build the team on the lines, then with the engine running, you add the wr's and qb on offense, and it works.
It takes a veteran qb to handle the pressure of a poor offense, otherwise, the rookie qb gets
beaten to a pulp trying to learn the game.
Thing is, it doesn't matter who you draft at qb, even a great qb will get his rear kicked in with no oline.
No protection, no running game, no successful qb.
Leinart deserved better, so did a lot of qb's.
Archie Manning was a great one, the most prominent example I can remember.
He got the snot beaten out of him. Look at the teams those qb's go to.
Flacco? Give me a break. Top 5 defense, great rbs, great TE, etc.. fixed oline.
Barfsonhisburger? #1 defense, great rbs', great receivers, good oline...
Alex Smith? Went to the Niners in a bad situation, got beaten up, "all gone".
Leinart? Went to the earlier Cards. Bad situation then.
You build the team on the lines, then with the engine running, you add the wr's and qb on offense, and it works.
It takes a veteran qb to handle the pressure of a poor offense, otherwise, the rookie qb gets
beaten to a pulp trying to learn the game.
P.S we have a pro-bowl LT, a 40Mill LG and a Number #1 pick at Center....you can grab any 3 round RT and will be head and shoulder above what we have, or book end this line with a second round Rt...just draft a Franchise QB.....with #1! EXCLAMATION
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If Sam Bradford couldn't survive against BYU with one of the more talented lineups - what would be his prognosis behind this line against the defenses in our division?
Be CAREFUL about the Big 12 Qbs - they don't play a lick of defense in that conference. IMO, it could be an enormous false positive. For example, Graham Harrell posted eye popping numbers and he couldn't make our QB deprived outfit. He's in the CFL today - if he even made it there.
Here's another thing to consider - Bradford is used to being on a talented team that is well coached. He comes here and he gets the SAME culture shock that many of our Head Coaches found when they came from the land of Parcells or BB only to find there's no Lawrence Taylors or Tom Bradys here. Just an FYI, BB was winless in NE until Brady replaced Bledsoe. Look it up. Even the best coaches on the planet need an X-factor or 2. The same holds true with the QBs.
Ask yourself this Sunday regardless of who is starting at QB - WHO do you want the football to go to. WHO does the opposing defense need to worry about. If you have a good answer - I'm all ears.
- Tom F.
Just an FYI, BB was winless in NE until Brady replaced Bledsoe. Look it up. Even the best coaches on the planet need an X-factor or 2. The same holds true with the QBs.
- Tom F.
2000 season
the Pats under Bledsoe were 5-11 Brady's rookie season where he only took I believe 6 snaps
2001
lost 1 game and had one postponed due to 9-11
Brady took over in the "2nd" game and lost to the Jets after Bledsoe went down with a collapsed lung
Brady went down in the AFC championship game vs the Steelers and Bledsoe, not Brady won the game (Bledsoe only played a total of 3 games 2001)
Brady went on to win the superbowl
and here's the referances
http://home.earthlink.net/~ob1gui/nflsbar/nflsch2000.htm (2000 season record)
http://home.earthlink.net/~ob1gui/nflsbar/nflsch2001.htm (2001 season record)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Brady (remaining lose details)
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Thing is, it doesn't matter who you draft at qb, even a great qb will get his rear kicked in with no oline.
No protection, no running game, no successful qb.
Leinart deserved better, so did a lot of qb's.
Archie Manning was a great one, the most prominent example I can remember.
He got the snot beaten out of him. Look at the teams those qb's go to.
Flacco? Give me a break. Top 5 defense, great rbs, great TE, etc.. fixed oline.
Barfsonhisburger? #1 defense, great rbs', great receivers, good oline...
Alex Smith? Went to the Niners in a bad situation, got beaten up, "all gone".
Leinart? Went to the earlier Cards. Bad situation then.
You build the team on the lines, then with the engine running, you add the wr's and qb on offense, and it works.
It takes a veteran qb to handle the pressure of a poor offense, otherwise, the rookie qb gets
beaten to a pulp trying to learn the game.
P.S we have a pro-bowl LT, a 40Mill LG and a Number #1 pick at Center....you can grab any 3 round RT and will be head and shoulder above what we have, or book end this line with a second round Rt...just draft a Franchise QB.....with #1! EXCLAMATION
P.S we have a pro-bowl LT, a 40Mill LG and a Number #1 pick at Center....you can grab any 3 round RT and will be head and shoulder above what we have, or book end this line with a second round Rt...just draft a Franchise QB.....with #1! EXCLAMATION
I agree.
The line is bad because of the RT...we fix that and continue to bring is reasonable back-ups and the line isn't far from being fixed...assuming mack continues to improve and turn out to be close to his draft position...he doesn't have to be all pro, but he does need to turn in to a player who makes a few pro bowls in his career and is generally viewed as a top 10 player at his position.
You don't need the top players...just several top 5-10 players.
But qb is the key...too bad it's the hardest position to draft...who next year....Bradford? McCoy, Pike, Tebow??
And the beat goes on, and the beat goes on.
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Solon,
Of course I see Peyton Manning. In his rookie year, he had a fine running game, good protection, and
he had Marvin Harrison.
Sure, Harrison's numbers soared. But Harrison was THERE for Manning.
And they could pass protect, apparently. They ran the ball well.
And STILL Manning threw 28 interceptions.
You must have a solid working oline. The Browns are very close. But I'm glad they gave up on
Tucker, he just kept getting hurt, with no legit backup to take over. Bad move.
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