Browns #2 Pick
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I voted for Shedeur, although I'm not ultra-sold on the idea.
At this point I wouldn't complain if they took an OT
I voted for Shedeur, although I'm not ultra-sold on the idea.
At this point I wouldn't complain if they took an OT
There are some good OTackle prospects in Round 1, but imo they all fall outside of the top 10… Will Campbell seems like he’s possibly the highest ranked one, but he’s got very short arms for a tackle. You’d hate to take him high and then have to move him to guard like the Raiders did with Robert Gallery all those years ago
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I voted for Shedeur, although I'm not ultra-sold on the idea.
At this point I wouldn't complain if they took an OT
There are some good OTackle prospects in Round 1, but imo they all fall outside of the top 10… Will Campbell seems like he’s possibly the highest ranked one, but he’s got very short arms for a tackle. You’d hate to take him high and then have to move him to guard like the Raiders did with Robert Gallery all those years ago
There are some good OTackle prospects in Round 1, but imo they all fall outside of the top 10… Will Campbell seems like he’s possibly the highest ranked one, but he’s got very short arms for a tackle. You’d hate to take him high and then have to move him to guard like the Raiders did with Robert Gallery all those years ago
Campbell looks like a more fit Fred Flintstone; but if he's got Barney Rubble's wing span - let someone else take him. I think #33 overall is a good place to take our LT (wishing we could do it sooner).
Today is Colorado's Pro Day on the NFL Channel at 2:30 pm that I will tape/tivo or whatever it's called...
Not to be a knucklehead - but if you watched Travis Hunter & Shedeur Sanders play, which one plays more like he's Deion's biological son? I mean the ability to do what Travis does is pretty freakin unique. That said, did anyone see Deion's arm throwing someone out at the plate from the outfield in the World Series? Okay, I'm stalling...
Travis Hunter
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I just blew my last chance to draft the safest pick in this draft - DT Mason Graham. You build defenses from the inside out; especially if y'already got Myles Garrett on 1 edge and some promising young guys competing for reps for the other. Losing Dalvin Tomlinson is a gigantic loss here as well and the severe injury to Mike Hall Jr - but our world is what our Owner and FO did to the QB position that we have to hope they're finally gonna get it right...
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There are some good OTackle prospects in Round 1, but imo they all fall outside of the top 10… Will Campbell seems like he’s possibly the highest ranked one, but he’s got very short arms for a tackle. You’d hate to take him high and then have to move him to guard like the Raiders did with Robert Gallery all those years ago
Campbell looks like a more fit Fred Flintstone; but if he's got Barney Rubble's wing span - let someone else take him. I think #33 overall is a good place to take our LT (wishing we could do it sooner).
Today is Colorado's Pro Day on the NFL Channel at 2:30 pm that I will tape/tivo or whatever it's called...
Not to be a knucklehead - but if you watched Travis Hunter & Shedeur Sanders play, which one plays more like he's Deion's biological son? I mean the ability to do what Travis does is pretty freakin unique. That said, did anyone see Deion's arm throwing someone out at the plate from the outfield in the World Series? Okay, I'm stalling...
Travis Hunter
Campbell looks like a more fit Fred Flintstone; but if he's got Barney Rubble's wing span - let someone else take him. I think #33 overall is a good place to take our LT (wishing we could do it sooner).
Today is Colorado's Pro Day on the NFL Channel at 2:30 pm that I will tape/tivo or whatever it's called...
Not to be a knucklehead - but if you watched Travis Hunter & Shedeur Sanders play, which one plays more like he's Deion's biological son? I mean the ability to do what Travis does is pretty freakin unique. That said, did anyone see Deion's arm throwing someone out at the plate from the outfield in the World Series? Okay, I'm stalling...
Travis Hunter
The latest injury news to Carter has me narrowly favoring Hunter now. I wouldn’t be upset with Carter, just nervous
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Campbell looks like a more fit Fred Flintstone; but if he's got Barney Rubble's wing span - let someone else take him. I think #33 overall is a good place to take our LT (wishing we could do it sooner).
Today is Colorado's Pro Day on the NFL Channel at 2:30 pm that I will tape/tivo or whatever it's called...
Not to be a knucklehead - but if you watched Travis Hunter & Shedeur Sanders play, which one plays more like he's Deion's biological son? I mean the ability to do what Travis does is pretty freakin unique. That said, did anyone see Deion's arm throwing someone out at the plate from the outfield in the World Series? Okay, I'm stalling...
Travis Hunter
The latest injury news to Carter has me narrowly favoring Hunter now. I wouldn’t be upset with Carter, just nervous
The latest injury news to Carter has me narrowly favoring Hunter now. I wouldn’t be upset with Carter, just nervous
That makes sense. Talent isn't Carter's problem - knowing what we know about his injuries heading into his immediate future of 17 game seasons is a big risk in my opinion. Cleveland really can't afford to have another talented player they can't ever get on the field.
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The latest injury news to Carter has me narrowly favoring Hunter now. I wouldn’t be upset with Carter, just nervous
That makes sense. Talent isn't Carter's problem - knowing what we know about his injuries heading into his immediate future of 17 game seasons is a big risk in my opinion. Cleveland really can't afford to have another talented player they can't ever get on the field.
That makes sense. Talent isn't Carter's problem - knowing what we know about his injuries heading into his immediate future of 17 game seasons is a big risk in my opinion. Cleveland really can't afford to have another talented player they can't ever get on the field.
I agree. Hunter is the safer pick
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That makes sense. Talent isn't Carter's problem - knowing what we know about his injuries heading into his immediate future of 17 game seasons is a big risk in my opinion. Cleveland really can't afford to have another talented player they can't ever get on the field.
I agree. Hunter is the safer pick
I agree. Hunter is the safer pick
I read today that the Browns envision him as primarily a WR.
Sanders is the pick. When the Browns enter draft night with Kenny Picket as the only QB on the roster the choice is obvious.
If they think that he can be a good QB in the pros, then I agree 100%. But based on what Haslem said from the owners meetings, 'It may take a year or two to get the right QB', it seems like he's preparing us for the fact that they're not taking Sanders at #2.
If I knew that I was taking Sanders because I felt he was good....then I'm not looking to entice someone to trade with me ('cos I need a freakin' QB in the worst way). I'd just keep my head down and let the Commissioner announce the pick in a few weeks. I now feel like they're not picking Sanders.
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I said draft Hunter. I would be open to trading down for the right deal. It would have to be a pretty good deal. Hunter is basically a 1.5 player. He is going to impact 2 positions.
It can be debated which side of the ball he plays full time and which half the time. It might change from game to game or even series to series. It probably makes more sense to play him full on O and passing downs on D.
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I agree. Hunter is the safer pick
I read today that the Browns envision him as primarily a WR.
Sanders is the pick. When the Browns enter draft night with Kenny Picket as the only QB on the roster the choice is obvious.
If they think that he can be a good QB in the pros, then I agree 100%. But based on what Haslem said from the owners meetings, 'It may take a year or two to get the right QB', it seems like he's preparing us for the fact that they're not taking Sanders at #2.
If I knew that I was taking Sanders because I felt he was good....then I'm not looking to entice someone to trade with me ('cos I need a freakin' QB in the worst way). I'd just keep my head down and let the Commissioner announce the pick in a few weeks. I now feel like they're not picking Sanders.
I read today that the Browns envision him as primarily a WR.
When Ward gets his next concussion while Newsome and Emerson are getting beat left, right and deep - it'll change THAT fast. No "yeah buts" about it. This FO hasn't spoiled us with talent in the secondary. Ward was already here before Berry returned.
Speaking of concussions, Cedric Tillman was lighting it up before he got his bell rung while Jerry Jeudy also played his best football. Adding Hunter to this group makes the WR Corps here as good as any in this league.
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I read today that the Browns envision him as primarily a WR.
When Ward gets his next concussion while Newsome and Emerson are getting beat left, right and deep - it'll change THAT fast. No "yeah buts" about it. This FO hasn't spoiled us with talent in the secondary. Ward was already here before Berry returned.
Speaking of concussions, Cedric Tillman was lighting it up before he got his bell rung while Jerry Jeudy also played his best football. Adding Hunter to this group makes the WR Corps here as good as any in this league.
When Ward gets his next concussion while Newsome and Emerson are getting beat left, right and deep - it'll change THAT fast. No "yeah buts" about it. This FO hasn't spoiled us with talent in the secondary. Ward was already here before Berry returned.
Speaking of concussions, Cedric Tillman was lighting it up before he got his bell rung while Jerry Jeudy also played his best football. Adding Hunter to this group makes the WR Corps here as good as any in this league.
No doubt that injuries can change things.
Hunter on O full time makes more sense because if you just bring him in every now and then it sort of looks like the Schwartz situation. He needs to be there on every play demanding attention no matter the play called.
If we use him on D on what would primarily be viewed as a passing down, if he comes in teams are still going to pass the ball. He is still going to be able to lock down a receiver, at least hopefully.
As i said in an earlier post, I doubt he plays both way 100%, but I could see his starting position change depending on the opponent. Maybe even during games as the ebb and flow changes.
As for Tillman, saying he was lighting it up might be a little optimistic, but I agree he was showing good progress.
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When Ward gets his next concussion while Newsome and Emerson are getting beat left, right and deep - it'll change THAT fast. No "yeah buts" about it. This FO hasn't spoiled us with talent in the secondary. Ward was already here before Berry returned.
Speaking of concussions, Cedric Tillman was lighting it up before he got his bell rung while Jerry Jeudy also played his best football. Adding Hunter to this group makes the WR Corps here as good as any in this league.
No doubt that injuries can change things.
Hunter on O full time makes more sense because if you just bring him in every now and then it sort of looks like the Schwartz situation. He needs to be there on every play demanding attention no matter the play called.
If we use him on D on what would primarily be viewed as a passing down, if he comes in teams are still going to pass the ball. He is still going to be able to lock down a receiver, at least hopefully.
As i said in an earlier post, I doubt he plays both way 100%, but I could see his starting position change depending on the opponent. Maybe even during games as the ebb and flow changes.
As for Tillman, saying he was lighting it up might be a little optimistic, but I agree he was showing good progress.
No doubt that injuries can change things.
Hunter on O full time makes more sense because if you just bring him in every now and then it sort of looks like the Schwartz situation. He needs to be there on every play demanding attention no matter the play called.
If we use him on D on what would primarily be viewed as a passing down, if he comes in teams are still going to pass the ball. He is still going to be able to lock down a receiver, at least hopefully.
As i said in an earlier post, I doubt he plays both way 100%, but I could see his starting position change depending on the opponent. Maybe even during games as the ebb and flow changes.
As for Tillman, saying he was lighting it up might be a little optimistic, but I agree he was showing good progress.
Hard to disagree with any of that!
IMO, it's not a good idea to start ANY rookie both ways fulltime. Having said that with the understanding he IS a rookie in an era teams play situational football - I see nothing wrong with eventually giving him situational packages on both sides of the ball after he's focused mostly on 1 side of the ball throughout training map and the 1st 8-9 weeks of the regular season. You don't want to overwhelm him right away with all the complexities this level has.
Once we see, he's off on the right foot; then introduce him to the defensive side. Keep in mind, WRs prepare themselves for coverage/coverage leverages every week - and he does have some experience playing Corner for a HC that was a shutdown Corner in the NFL so learning defense may not be that difficult. If they progress to a limited dual purpose, on offense give him slot and flanker opportunities. Vary formations to get him off the field. Hearsay/rumor had it, Stefanski was a guy that really liked to use a lot of double Tight End formations prior to Cleveland that could also be an ideal excuse to get Hunter off the field/limit his reps. There's a TE in Syracuse projecting for Round 5 Oronde Gadsden Jr (dad played for the Dolphins) 73 rec 934 yards 7 TDs while his soph year had 61 rec 975 yards 6 TDs that would go pretty good on 1 side with David Njoku on the other fwiw. On defense there's packages that call for more corners on the field - get Hunter's feet wet with that.
In pre-draft poker - we don't know where the Browns really want him if he comes here. We DO know how important closing speed is at the NFL level and he's got it. For that matter, our WRs need closing speed too with some of the QBs we've been sentenced to in the last 2 decades. For a franchise that needs CPR in the big play department - Divine Intervention could be placing him right on our door step. This could pre-draft poker aimed at the Giants who would love to find a WR opposite the rookie (Malik Nabors) they had last year who completely overwhelmed our corners. The Chargers also REALLY exposed our secondary even when the Browns were putting good pressure on Herbert.
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I STILL think Sanders is a very good choice at #2. YES, I saw the Billy Kilmer spirals at the workout but the passes were accurate with velocity behind them. Those deep throws look very user friendly to the WRs. Great touch. This is a guy that completed 74% of his passes last year and 69.3 % of them his junior year in case anyone is wondering what he looked like with corners covering his receivers while he rarely had ideal pass protection.
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I can’t understand why after years and years of pre draft rankings on players being so blindingly obviously wrong when it plays out in the big league that people are still saying “this QB isn’t worth the #2 pick”. Heard it all before including with Mahomes. Nobody has any idea
No team is going anywhere without a QB if the Browns take a frickin corner who will play some WR packages with the #2 pick it’s time to give up for good.
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My top five for number 2
1. Travis Hunter Best player on board
2. Abdul Carter opposite Miles
3. trade down if possible. Pick up more picks.
4. Ashton Jeanty hopefully to pair with Chubb Bring Chubb home!!!) may be able to trade down to get5 Tyler Warren to pair with Njoku may be able to trade down to get
QB or BPA (WR, OT, S, LB) at 33
hope a good QB is at 33 or late 20s (to trade up for)
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My top five for number 2
1. Travis Hunter Best player on board
2. Abdul Carter opposite Miles
3. trade down if possible. Pick up more picks.
4. Ashton Jeanty hopefully to pair with Chubb Bring Chubb home!!!) may be able to trade down to get5 Tyler Warren to pair with Njoku may be able to trade down to get
QB or BPA (WR, OT, S, LB) at 33
hope a good QB is at 33 or late 20s (to trade up for)
My top five for number 2
1. Travis Hunter Best player on board
2. Abdul Carter opposite Miles
3. trade down if possible. Pick up more picks.
4. Ashton Jeanty hopefully to pair with Chubb Bring Chubb home!!!) may be able to trade down to get5 Tyler Warren to pair with Njoku may be able to trade down to get
QB or BPA (WR, OT, S, LB) at 33
hope a good QB is at 33 or late 20s (to trade up for)
I'm not sure I want to spend that high of a pick on a RB, but all and all I'm pretty much on board with all of this. I like Hunter and Carter at top of the draft, but also really like guys like Mason Graham, Will Johnson, Malaki Starks and the two Big Ten tight ends in Loveland and Warren.
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My top five for number 2
1. Travis Hunter Best player on board
2. Abdul Carter opposite Miles
3. trade down if possible. Pick up more picks.
4. Ashton Jeanty hopefully to pair with Chubb Bring Chubb home!!!) may be able to trade down to get5 Tyler Warren to pair with Njoku may be able to trade down to get
QB or BPA (WR, OT, S, LB) at 33
hope a good QB is at 33 or late 20s (to trade up for)
I'm not sure I want to spend that high of a pick on a RB, but all and all I'm pretty much on board with all of this. I like Hunter and Carter at top of the draft, but also really like guys like Mason Graham, Will Johnson, Malaki Starks and the two Big Ten tight ends in Loveland and Warren.
I'm not sure I want to spend that high of a pick on a RB, but all and all I'm pretty much on board with all of this. I like Hunter and Carter at top of the draft, but also really like guys like Mason Graham, Will Johnson, Malaki Starks and the two Big Ten tight ends in Loveland and Warren.
Yes, I know that RBs usually go lower. I think Hunter or Carter are clearly the the top tier. To me the rest are a different tier.
I really like the thought of Warren though. Loveland too. And the others you mentioned are blue chip.
but I hope we take Hunter at the end of the day.
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I'm not sure I want to spend that high of a pick on a RB, but all and all I'm pretty much on board with all of this. I like Hunter and Carter at top of the draft, but also really like guys like Mason Graham, Will Johnson, Malaki Starks and the two Big Ten tight ends in Loveland and Warren.
Yes, I know that RBs usually go lower. I think Hunter or Carter are clearly the the top tier. To me the rest are a different tier.
I really like the thought of Warren though. Loveland too. And the others you mentioned are blue chip.
but I hope we take Hunter at the end of the day.
Yes, I know that RBs usually go lower. I think Hunter or Carter are clearly the the top tier. To me the rest are a different tier.
I really like the thought of Warren though. Loveland too. And the others you mentioned are blue chip.
but I hope we take Hunter at the end of the day.
Me too! Having said that, the most blue collar position on defense has one of the best DT prospects I've seen in years: Mason Graham. He's not gonna lead the league in sacks, score any TDs (most likely), or anything that can produce points in a hurry per say. What he WILL do is impose his will on OGs stuffing the point of attack at the line of scrimmage and command more than 1 blocker a very high percentage of snaps.
And when you look at him - he still has pre-school baby fat all over him. Don't let that fool you though; because that great big rascal can shut down an inside running game all by himself. Let's just say he can make an opponent's running game feel like a clogged toilet... The last place I want to see that Gerber Baby food smile is in another AFC North uniform...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Yes, I know that RBs usually go lower. I think Hunter or Carter are clearly the the top tier. To me the rest are a different tier.
I really like the thought of Warren though. Loveland too. And the others you mentioned are blue chip.
but I hope we take Hunter at the end of the day.
Me too! Having said that, the most blue collar position on defense has one of the best DT prospects I've seen in years: Mason Graham. He's not gonna lead the league in sacks, score any TDs (most likely), or anything that can produce points in a hurry per say. What he WILL do is impose his will on OGs stuffing the point of attack at the line of scrimmage and command more than 1 blocker a very high percentage of snaps.
And when you look at him - he still has pre-school baby fat all over him. Don't let that fool you though; because that great big rascal can shut down an inside running game all by himself. Let's just say he can make an opponent's running game feel like a clogged toilet... The last place I want to see that Gerber Baby food smile is in another AFC North uniform...
Me too! Having said that, the most blue collar position on defense has one of the best DT prospects I've seen in years: Mason Graham. He's not gonna lead the league in sacks, score any TDs (most likely), or anything that can produce points in a hurry per say. What he WILL do is impose his will on OGs stuffing the point of attack at the line of scrimmage and command more than 1 blocker a very high percentage of snaps.
And when you look at him - he still has pre-school baby fat all over him. Don't let that fool you though; because that great big rascal can shut down an inside running game all by himself. Let's just say he can make an opponent's running game feel like a clogged toilet... The last place I want to see that Gerber Baby food smile is in another AFC North uniform...
Yes, Graham would be a good pick also. He would be an excellent piece for our D-line.
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