Unofficial 2025 Pre-Training Camp Roster & Depth Charts
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Schwesinger and Graham could be Day One starters and pillars of the defense for the next decade if all goes according to plan.
Hopefully, Schwesinger can replicate the production he had at UCLA, because his numbers were extraordinary
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Schwesinger and Graham could be Day One starters and pillars of the defense for the next decade if all goes according to plan.
Hopefully, Schwesinger can replicate the production he had at UCLA, because his numbers were extraordinary
Schwesinger and Graham could be Day One starters and pillars of the defense for the next decade if all goes according to plan.
Hopefully, Schwesinger can replicate the production he had at UCLA, because his numbers were extraordinary
Indeed! It's also conceivable Judkins and Fannin will get some reps with the 1st Offense in week one. It'll be interesting...
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Schwesinger and Graham could be Day One starters and pillars of the defense for the next decade if all goes according to plan.
Hopefully, Schwesinger can replicate the production he had at UCLA, because his numbers were extraordinary
Schwesinger and Graham could be Day One starters and pillars
Ya know, take away the two QB's from the draft and you're left with 5 players with the talent to have a positive impact from the get-go. Fannin opens up that whole 2 TE thing that Stef loves so much.
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Ya know, take away the two QB's from the draft and you're left with 5 players with the talent to have a positive impact from the get-go. Fannin opens up that whole 2 TE thing that Stef loves so much.
I really, really like the five position players the Browns drafted, I agree, I think they all will contribute for years to come.
Gabriel IMO was drafted too high, Sanders muddied up the QB position unnecessarily.
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Ya know, take away the two QB's from the draft and you're left with 5 players with the talent to have a positive impact from the get-go. Fannin opens up that whole 2 TE thing that Stef loves so much.
I really, really like the five position players the Browns drafted, I agree, I think they all will contribute for years to come.
Gabriel IMO was drafted too high, Sanders muddied up the QB position unnecessarily.
Sanders muddied up the QB position unnecessarily.
In order for that to be true, Sanders has to be a flop. All we have to go on right now is that a Browns 'insider' said that Sanders was the best QB at rookie mini camp.
edit: Wk 14 Sanders leads Browns over Ward's Titans 30-17.
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Sanders muddied up the QB position unnecessarily.
In order for that to be true, Sanders has to be a flop. All we have to go on right now is that a Browns 'insider' said that Sanders was the best QB at rookie mini camp.
edit: Wk 14 Sanders leads Browns over Ward's Titans 30-17.
In order for that to be true, Sanders has to be a flop. All we have to go on right now is that a Browns 'insider' said that Sanders was the best QB at rookie mini camp.
edit: Wk 14 Sanders leads Browns over Ward's Titans 30-17.
He apparently beat out a guy in Gabriel that probably got drafted 2 or 3 rounds too soon.
I would definitely expect Sanders to beat him out.
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Ya know, take away the two QB's from the draft and you're left with 5 players with the talent to have a positive impact from the get-go. Fannin opens up that whole 2 TE thing that Stef loves so much.
I really, really like the five position players the Browns drafted, I agree, I think they all will contribute for years to come.
Gabriel IMO was drafted too high, Sanders muddied up the QB position unnecessarily.
I really, really like the five position players the Browns drafted, I agree, I think they all will contribute for years to come.
Gabriel IMO was drafted too high, Sanders muddied up the QB position unnecessarily.
The Sanders thing was a mess. We heard what Deion said back in 2018 that he liked all the moves the Browns were making in the offseason but if he was a father of a top QB prospect he wouldn't want him going to them. Even more recent (the week of the SB), he named the teams he didn't want to his son to play for. I found the video from the guy that reported it that I don't normally endorse (Cowherd) and shared it a week or 2 after the draft. Anyway, those were all the bad teams that needed to draft a QB. 1 by 1 in the 1st round every one of them gave Deion the double birdies. Round 2 - rinse and repeat, Round 3 - Cleveland rinse and repeat + Cleveland drafted the QB the FO + HC wanted most. A guy I liked but I agree they probably could have got him later. One thing that stood out was they were real familiar with him and his family and his mother in particular when I listened to the phone call they made to Gabriel. One of them said we told you not to worry.
THAT wasn't going to happen, and didn't happen, with Shedeur for obvious reasons. Cutting through the chase - Shedeur didn't go in round 5 because of his talent or any perceived lack-thereof. He went that late because some teams thought they could have got better interviews from a pet rock while others felt that dealing with the "Prime Time" dad was going to be distraction that won't be worth it. When the Browns drafted Shedeur - the most excited guy in the room was Jimmy. The cameras showed us when the FO and coaches were excited like when they called Judkins, etc. Unlike Dillon Gabriel - they didn't tell him they drafted him because they believed in him. They told him to be ready to come to work.
Looking back at our posts to each other yesterday - I can't blame you for being concerned about how the Browns orchestrated the QB selections. The thing I take away is I truly think the Browns drafted the most accurate QB in this draft in spite of no running game to lean on or decent pass pro to count on at Colorado. Even when the planets have aligned for the Browns to draft a QB 1st overall in 2017 and 2018 - they didn't know who Patrick Mahomes was on draft day. Meanwhile, they felt if Watson was any good they could always just trade away 3 1st round draft picks to get him with experience, playoffs and Pro Bowls while they would give him a guaranteed 230 million $ contract in lieu of a contract with rookie salary cap restrictions. The good news was they ended up with Myles Garrett in that draft. The bad news is they went 0-16 his rookie year so they had a 2nd consecutive chance at choosing their pick of the QB litter. I suppose I've had sufficient training to where I should be joining you in thinking next year gives us a better shot. To do that, I have accept another season of 3 wins or less for a pick of a litter we have no idea what the strength of it is...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
For a guy that is 6'4" - Fannin only weighs 230 lbs. This guy could be a nightmare in the slot for many #3 Corners to try to matchup with if/when we don't line him up as a TE. Understanding he caught 117 passes in 13 games last year - my guess he wasn't born to block more than catch. I could definitely be wrong about that though.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if they pick up a WR of significance at some point, but l sort of understand them not being too aggressive thus far with this being the “find a QB” year.
With 4 QBs to sort through, there’s going to be a lotta throws to evaluate in camp, and obviously they can evaluate the receiving end of those throws in the process.
They do have a couple round 3 guys on the roster in Tillman and Bell, a couple 5th rounders in Woods and Thrash. They might get lucky with a udfa guy.
I understand why they would deemphasize the WR position in FA and the draft in order to see who has improved, who steps up and who meshes best with the QBs we’re working with before making a move.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if they pick up a WR of significance at some point, but l sort of understand them not being too aggressive thus far with this being the “find a QB” year.
With 4 QBs to sort through, there’s going to be a lotta throws to evaluate in camp, and obviously they can evaluate the receiving end of those throws in the process.
They do have a couple round 3 guys on the roster in Tillman and Bell, a couple 5th rounders in Woods and Thrash. They might get lucky with a udfa guy.
I understand why they would deemphasize the WR position in FA and the draft in order to see who has improved, who steps up and who meshes best with the QBs we’re working with before making a move.
I understand why they would deemphasize the WR position in FA and the draft in order to see who has improved, who steps up and who meshes best with the QBs we’re working with before making a move.
And when we added Fannin, Jr. I knew that problem was resolved. He was getting open against both Penn St and A&M regardless of where he started and this was two teams who understood he was the one they needed to stop. Neither of them could do it. Not only did he get open but even when covered like a blanket, he found ways to be the one who came down with the ball. I think Browns fans are going to love this guy.
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I really, really like the five position players the Browns drafted, I agree, I think they all will contribute for years to come.
Gabriel IMO was drafted too high, Sanders muddied up the QB position unnecessarily.
The Sanders thing was a mess. We heard what Deion said back in 2018 that he liked all the moves the Browns were making in the offseason but if he was a father of a top QB prospect he wouldn't want him going to them. Even more recent (the week of the SB), he named the teams he didn't want to his son to play for. I found the video from the guy that reported it that I don't normally endorse (Cowherd) and shared it a week or 2 after the draft. Anyway, those were all the bad teams that needed to draft a QB. 1 by 1 in the 1st round every one of them gave Deion the double birdies. Round 2 - rinse and repeat, Round 3 - Cleveland rinse and repeat + Cleveland drafted the QB the FO + HC wanted most. A guy I liked but I agree they probably could have got him later. One thing that stood out was they were real familiar with him and his family and his mother in particular when I listened to the phone call they made to Gabriel. One of them said we told you not to worry.
THAT wasn't going to happen, and didn't happen, with Shedeur for obvious reasons. Cutting through the chase - Shedeur didn't go in round 5 because of his talent or any perceived lack-thereof. He went that late because some teams thought they could have got better interviews from a pet rock while others felt that dealing with the "Prime Time" dad was going to be distraction that won't be worth it. When the Browns drafted Shedeur - the most excited guy in the room was Jimmy. The cameras showed us when the FO and coaches were excited like when they called Judkins, etc. Unlike Dillon Gabriel - they didn't tell him they drafted him because they believed in him. They told him to be ready to come to work.
Looking back at our posts to each other yesterday - I can't blame you for being concerned about how the Browns orchestrated the QB selections. The thing I take away is I truly think the Browns drafted the most accurate QB in this draft in spite of no running game to lean on or decent pass pro to count on at Colorado. Even when the planets have aligned for the Browns to draft a QB 1st overall in 2017 and 2018 - they didn't know who Patrick Mahomes was on draft day. Meanwhile, they felt if Watson was any good they could always just trade away 3 1st round draft picks to get him with experience, playoffs and Pro Bowls while they would give him a guaranteed 230 million $ contract in lieu of a contract with rookie salary cap restrictions. The good news was they ended up with Myles Garrett in that draft. The bad news is they went 0-16 his rookie year so they had a 2nd consecutive chance at choosing their pick of the QB litter. I suppose I've had sufficient training to where I should be joining you in thinking next year gives us a better shot. To do that, I have accept another season of 3 wins or less for a pick of a litter we have no idea what the strength of it is...
he Sanders thing was a mess. We heard what Deion said back in 2018
That was during the reign of Hue Jackson. I don't see how I can blame him for that. But this time around is/was different. There was a brief interview with an 'insider' to the Sanders' family & friends and he said that Deion and Shedeur loved Andrew Berry, Stef and Jimmuh from the Pro Day and the dinner together. They were together talking multiple time and the Sanders' liked what they heard. - That of course doesn't mean that they're buddy-buddy for life.
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For a guy that is 6'4" - Fannin only weighs 230 lbs. This guy could be a nightmare in the slot for many #3 Corners to try to matchup with if/when we don't line him up as a TE. Understanding he caught 117 passes in 13 games last year - my guess he wasn't born to block more than catch. I could definitely be wrong about that though.
For a guy that is 6'4" - Fannin only weighs 230 lbs. This guy could be a nightmare in the slot for many #3 Corners to try to matchup with if/when we don't line him up as a TE. Understanding he caught 117 passes in 13 games last year - my guess he wasn't born to block more than catch. I could definitely be wrong about that though.
I kept asking myself, "Who does this guy remind me of that I saw do this exact kind of thing in college?" And then a neuron fired. Mike Evans of course!! 6'5" 231 lbs who finds ways to get open and come down with those 50-50 balls on a consistent basis. And always in position to block out and make the catch like a basketball player or just fake that and blow on by for long pass receptions. I think we have us the next Mike Evans!!!!
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I really, really like the five position players the Browns drafted, I agree, I think they all will contribute for years to come.
Gabriel IMO was drafted too high, Sanders muddied up the QB position unnecessarily.
The Sanders thing was a mess. We heard what Deion said back in 2018 that he liked all the moves the Browns were making in the offseason but if he was a father of a top QB prospect he wouldn't want him going to them. Even more recent (the week of the SB), he named the teams he didn't want to his son to play for. I found the video from the guy that reported it that I don't normally endorse (Cowherd) and shared it a week or 2 after the draft. Anyway, those were all the bad teams that needed to draft a QB. 1 by 1 in the 1st round every one of them gave Deion the double birdies. Round 2 - rinse and repeat, Round 3 - Cleveland rinse and repeat + Cleveland drafted the QB the FO + HC wanted most. A guy I liked but I agree they probably could have got him later. One thing that stood out was they were real familiar with him and his family and his mother in particular when I listened to the phone call they made to Gabriel. One of them said we told you not to worry.
THAT wasn't going to happen, and didn't happen, with Shedeur for obvious reasons. Cutting through the chase - Shedeur didn't go in round 5 because of his talent or any perceived lack-thereof. He went that late because some teams thought they could have got better interviews from a pet rock while others felt that dealing with the "Prime Time" dad was going to be distraction that won't be worth it. When the Browns drafted Shedeur - the most excited guy in the room was Jimmy. The cameras showed us when the FO and coaches were excited like when they called Judkins, etc. Unlike Dillon Gabriel - they didn't tell him they drafted him because they believed in him. They told him to be ready to come to work.
Looking back at our posts to each other yesterday - I can't blame you for being concerned about how the Browns orchestrated the QB selections. The thing I take away is I truly think the Browns drafted the most accurate QB in this draft in spite of no running game to lean on or decent pass pro to count on at Colorado. Even when the planets have aligned for the Browns to draft a QB 1st overall in 2017 and 2018 - they didn't know who Patrick Mahomes was on draft day. Meanwhile, they felt if Watson was any good they could always just trade away 3 1st round draft picks to get him with experience, playoffs and Pro Bowls while they would give him a guaranteed 230 million $ contract in lieu of a contract with rookie salary cap restrictions. The good news was they ended up with Myles Garrett in that draft. The bad news is they went 0-16 his rookie year so they had a 2nd consecutive chance at choosing their pick of the QB litter. I suppose I've had sufficient training to where I should be joining you in thinking next year gives us a better shot. To do that, I have accept another season of 3 wins or less for a pick of a litter we have no idea what the strength of it is...
Looking back at our posts to each other yesterday - I can't blame you for being concerned about how the Browns orchestrated the QB selections. The thing I take away is I truly think the Browns drafted the most accurate QB in this draft in spite of no running game to lean on or decent pass pro to count on at Colorado. Even when the planets have aligned for the Browns to draft a QB 1st overall in 2017 and 2018 - they didn't know who Patrick Mahomes was on draft day. Meanwhile, they felt if Watson was any good they could always just trade away 3 1st round draft picks to get him with experience, playoffs and Pro Bowls while they would give him a guaranteed 230 million $ contract in lieu of a contract with rookie salary cap restrictions. The good news was they ended up with Myles Garrett in that draft. The bad news is they went 0-16 his rookie year so they had a 2nd consecutive chance at choosing their pick of the QB litter. I suppose I've had sufficient training to where I should be joining you in thinking next year gives us a better shot. To do that, I have accept another season of 3 wins or less for a pick of a litter we have no idea what the strength of it is...
While I do not find Shedeur Sanders to physically be that special of a player, I think his arm, size and athleticism are all kind of averageish, there are some attributes I do like about him. There's part of me excited to see him play this season, honestly.
My point was that my worst case scenario was that he showed just enough this season to make the Browns think he's the guy long-term, then they skip taking a QB next draft, and Sanders ends up being not the guy. I'm not saying that is going to happen, I'd love to see the Browns be able to use two top 10-12 picks on other positions, I'm just saying that I worry about my worst case scenario happening, especially when we set ourselves up to have the capital to get a top QB prospect.
Kind of like when Butch Davis was fighting for his Browns job and went out and got a 35 year old Jeff Garcia as a quick fix and didn't draft the kid from NW Ohio who played college ball in the MAC in Ohio. The Browns imploded shortly after Winslow fucked himself up on a motorcycle and that MAC QB from Ohio tortured the Browns for almost two decades.
But back to Sanders, I question if he's the type of guy to lead the Browns out of the desert. There are some guys who when the shit hits the fan, they tell everyone to jump on their back... and there are some guys who in the same position start pointing fingers at everyone else and say: "Hey man, I can only do so much myself."
Shedeur strikes me as the latter.
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Looking back at our posts to each other yesterday - I can't blame you for being concerned about how the Browns orchestrated the QB selections. The thing I take away is I truly think the Browns drafted the most accurate QB in this draft in spite of no running game to lean on or decent pass pro to count on at Colorado. Even when the planets have aligned for the Browns to draft a QB 1st overall in 2017 and 2018 - they didn't know who Patrick Mahomes was on draft day. Meanwhile, they felt if Watson was any good they could always just trade away 3 1st round draft picks to get him with experience, playoffs and Pro Bowls while they would give him a guaranteed 230 million $ contract in lieu of a contract with rookie salary cap restrictions. The good news was they ended up with Myles Garrett in that draft. The bad news is they went 0-16 his rookie year so they had a 2nd consecutive chance at choosing their pick of the QB litter. I suppose I've had sufficient training to where I should be joining you in thinking next year gives us a better shot. To do that, I have accept another season of 3 wins or less for a pick of a litter we have no idea what the strength of it is...
While I do not find Shedeur Sanders to physically be that special of a player, I think his arm, size and athleticism are all kind of averageish, there are some attributes I do like about him. There's part of me excited to see him play this season, honestly.
My point was that my worst case scenario was that he showed just enough this season to make the Browns think he's the guy long-term, then they skip taking a QB next draft, and Sanders ends up being not the guy. I'm not saying that is going to happen, I'd love to see the Browns be able to use two top 10-12 picks on other positions, I'm just saying that I worry about my worst case scenario happening, especially when we set ourselves up to have the capital to get a top QB prospect.
Kind of like when Butch Davis was fighting for his Browns job and went out and got a 35 year old Jeff Garcia as a quick fix and didn't draft the kid from NW Ohio who played college ball in the MAC in Ohio. The Browns imploded shortly after Winslow fucked himself up on a motorcycle and that MAC QB from Ohio tortured the Browns for almost two decades.
But back to Sanders, I question if he's the type of guy to lead the Browns out of the desert. There are some guys who when the shit hits the fan, they tell everyone to jump on their back... and there are some guys who in the same position start pointing fingers at everyone else and say: "Hey man, I can only do so much myself."
Shedeur strikes me as the latter.
While I do not find Shedeur Sanders to physically be that special of a player, I think his arm, size and athleticism are all kind of averageish, there are some attributes I do like about him. There's part of me excited to see him play this season, honestly.
My point was that my worst case scenario was that he showed just enough this season to make the Browns think he's the guy long-term, then they skip taking a QB next draft, and Sanders ends up being not the guy. I'm not saying that is going to happen, I'd love to see the Browns be able to use two top 10-12 picks on other positions, I'm just saying that I worry about my worst case scenario happening, especially when we set ourselves up to have the capital to get a top QB prospect.
Kind of like when Butch Davis was fighting for his Browns job and went out and got a 35 year old Jeff Garcia as a quick fix and didn't draft the kid from NW Ohio who played college ball in the MAC in Ohio. The Browns imploded shortly after Winslow fucked himself up on a motorcycle and that MAC QB from Ohio tortured the Browns for almost two decades.
But back to Sanders, I question if he's the type of guy to lead the Browns out of the desert. There are some guys who when the shit hits the fan, they tell everyone to jump on their back... and there are some guys who in the same position start pointing fingers at everyone else and say: "Hey man, I can only do so much myself."
Shedeur strikes me as the latter.
Well said - thanks Dutch! I remember right after Bernie's rookie season ended in 85 - the Browns hired Lindy Infante to be the OC. Bernie's rookie season went from briefly backing up Gary Danielson to leaning on a very strong running game with both Mack and Byner rushing for over 1000 yards apiece. The Browns won the division with an 8-8 record and lost a close playoff game in Miami. Kevin Mack was named the AFC Rookie of the Year! That was quite a foundation for Infante to come in and add his flavor to the offense. Infante and Kosar became a great tandem to the extent the Browns improved to 12-4 in 1986. They continued their success together in 1987 for a 10-5 record. Unfortunately, others were noticing as well to the tune of the Green Bay hiring Lindy Infante to be their HC in 1988. I don't think either guy did quite as well without each other.
The point of all that? I'm holding out hope that Tommy Rees becomes a similar influence to whoever plays QB here this year. We'll find out soon enough...
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While I do not find Shedeur Sanders to physically be that special of a player, I think his arm, size and athleticism are all kind of averageish, there are some attributes I do like about him. There's part of me excited to see him play this season, honestly.
My point was that my worst case scenario was that he showed just enough this season to make the Browns think he's the guy long-term, then they skip taking a QB next draft, and Sanders ends up being not the guy. I'm not saying that is going to happen, I'd love to see the Browns be able to use two top 10-12 picks on other positions, I'm just saying that I worry about my worst case scenario happening, especially when we set ourselves up to have the capital to get a top QB prospect.
Kind of like when Butch Davis was fighting for his Browns job and went out and got a 35 year old Jeff Garcia as a quick fix and didn't draft the kid from NW Ohio who played college ball in the MAC in Ohio. The Browns imploded shortly after Winslow fucked himself up on a motorcycle and that MAC QB from Ohio tortured the Browns for almost two decades.
But back to Sanders, I question if he's the type of guy to lead the Browns out of the desert. There are some guys who when the shit hits the fan, they tell everyone to jump on their back... and there are some guys who in the same position start pointing fingers at everyone else and say: "Hey man, I can only do so much myself."
Shedeur strikes me as the latter.
Well said - thanks Dutch! I remember right after Bernie's rookie season ended in 85 - the Browns hired Lindy Infante to be the OC. Bernie's rookie season went from briefly backing up Gary Danielson to leaning on a very strong running game with both Mack and Byner rushing for over 1000 yards apiece. The Browns won the division with an 8-8 record and lost a close playoff game in Miami. Kevin Mack was named the AFC Rookie of the Year! That was quite a foundation for Infante to come in and add his flavor to the offense. Infante and Kosar became a great tandem to the extent the Browns improved to 12-4 in 1986. They continued their success together in 1987 for a 10-5 record. Unfortunately, others were noticing as well to the tune of the Green Bay hiring Lindy Infante to be their HC in 1988. I don't think either guy did quite as well without each other.
The point of all that? I'm holding out hope that Tommy Rees becomes a similar influence to whoever plays QB here this year. We'll find out soon enough...
Well said - thanks Dutch! I remember right after Bernie's rookie season ended in 85 - the Browns hired Lindy Infante to be the OC. Bernie's rookie season went from briefly backing up Gary Danielson to leaning on a very strong running game with both Mack and Byner rushing for over 1000 yards apiece. The Browns won the division with an 8-8 record and lost a close playoff game in Miami. Kevin Mack was named the AFC Rookie of the Year! That was quite a foundation for Infante to come in and add his flavor to the offense. Infante and Kosar became a great tandem to the extent the Browns improved to 12-4 in 1986. They continued their success together in 1987 for a 10-5 record. Unfortunately, others were noticing as well to the tune of the Green Bay hiring Lindy Infante to be their HC in 1988. I don't think either guy did quite as well without each other.
The point of all that? I'm holding out hope that Tommy Rees becomes a similar influence to whoever plays QB here this year. We'll find out soon enough...
I don't have optimism for more than a 7-10 finish this season, but it should be an interesting one to watch regardless.
A lot of storylines.
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Well said - thanks Dutch! I remember right after Bernie's rookie season ended in 85 - the Browns hired Lindy Infante to be the OC. Bernie's rookie season went from briefly backing up Gary Danielson to leaning on a very strong running game with both Mack and Byner rushing for over 1000 yards apiece. The Browns won the division with an 8-8 record and lost a close playoff game in Miami. Kevin Mack was named the AFC Rookie of the Year! That was quite a foundation for Infante to come in and add his flavor to the offense. Infante and Kosar became a great tandem to the extent the Browns improved to 12-4 in 1986. They continued their success together in 1987 for a 10-5 record. Unfortunately, others were noticing as well to the tune of the Green Bay hiring Lindy Infante to be their HC in 1988. I don't think either guy did quite as well without each other.
The point of all that? I'm holding out hope that Tommy Rees becomes a similar influence to whoever plays QB here this year. We'll find out soon enough...
I don't have optimism for more than a 7-10 finish this season, but it should be an interesting one to watch regardless.
A lot of storylines.
I don't have optimism for more than a 7-10 finish this season, but it should be an interesting one to watch regardless.
A lot of storylines.
7-9 wins is doable
I can see alot of 21-17 type wins , just as long as our D doesn't get completely tired out
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I don't have optimism for more than a 7-10 finish this season, but it should be an interesting one to watch regardless.
A lot of storylines.
7-9 wins is doable
I can see alot of 21-17 type wins , just as long as our D doesn't get completely tired out
7-9 wins is doable
I can see alot of 21-17 type wins , just as long as our D doesn't get completely tired out
I don't see a repeat of last year when the D seemed to have to be out there too damn much because we just couldn't move the sticks because of the inability to run the ball consistently. We are miles above that with the addition of these two great RBs and a ball control do it all receiver who specializes in 3rd down play.
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I don't have optimism for more than a 7-10 finish this season, but it should be an interesting one to watch regardless.
A lot of storylines.
7-9 wins is doable
I can see alot of 21-17 type wins , just as long as our D doesn't get completely tired out
7-9 wins is doable
I can see alot of 21-17 type wins , just as long as our D doesn't get completely tired out
That would be a nice improvement Syd!
In order to keep the scoring down the ball control offense @texasag1969 mentioned to sustain drives/time of possession will help. The litmus test is going to be our secondary. This team pressured Herbert pretty good IMO; and the Chargers still had guys catching uncontested throws for TDs. All I could think of was some 70s lyrics "There's something happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear."
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Looking back at our posts to each other yesterday - I can't blame you for being concerned about how the Browns orchestrated the QB selections. The thing I take away is I truly think the Browns drafted the most accurate QB in this draft in spite of no running game to lean on or decent pass pro to count on at Colorado. Even when the planets have aligned for the Browns to draft a QB 1st overall in 2017 and 2018 - they didn't know who Patrick Mahomes was on draft day. Meanwhile, they felt if Watson was any good they could always just trade away 3 1st round draft picks to get him with experience, playoffs and Pro Bowls while they would give him a guaranteed 230 million $ contract in lieu of a contract with rookie salary cap restrictions. The good news was they ended up with Myles Garrett in that draft. The bad news is they went 0-16 his rookie year so they had a 2nd consecutive chance at choosing their pick of the QB litter. I suppose I've had sufficient training to where I should be joining you in thinking next year gives us a better shot. To do that, I have accept another season of 3 wins or less for a pick of a litter we have no idea what the strength of it is...
While I do not find Shedeur Sanders to physically be that special of a player, I think his arm, size and athleticism are all kind of averageish, there are some attributes I do like about him. There's part of me excited to see him play this season, honestly.
My point was that my worst case scenario was that he showed just enough this season to make the Browns think he's the guy long-term, then they skip taking a QB next draft, and Sanders ends up being not the guy. I'm not saying that is going to happen, I'd love to see the Browns be able to use two top 10-12 picks on other positions, I'm just saying that I worry about my worst case scenario happening, especially when we set ourselves up to have the capital to get a top QB prospect.
Kind of like when Butch Davis was fighting for his Browns job and went out and got a 35 year old Jeff Garcia as a quick fix and didn't draft the kid from NW Ohio who played college ball in the MAC in Ohio. The Browns imploded shortly after Winslow fucked himself up on a motorcycle and that MAC QB from Ohio tortured the Browns for almost two decades.
But back to Sanders, I question if he's the type of guy to lead the Browns out of the desert. There are some guys who when the shit hits the fan, they tell everyone to jump on their back... and there are some guys who in the same position start pointing fingers at everyone else and say: "Hey man, I can only do so much myself."
Shedeur strikes me as the latter.
I do not find Shedeur Sanders to physically be that special of a player, I think his arm, size and athleticism are all kind of averageish
Kinda' Brian Sipe-ish. Personally, I prefer them tall and strongarmed. We didn't draft that type of guy. (maybe next year)
A couple of automatic demerits for Sanders and one for Gabriel (stronger arm than Sanders). I'm not overly interested in the athleticism. I just would like my QB to be able to QB sneak. If my QB HAS athleticism, that's more-bettah. Just get your ass down and slide! So, perhaps an extra half-credit to Gabriel for better scrambling abilities. But basically I'd like my QB in the pocket where the blockers know where he is...and get the ball out, including over everybody's head if nobody's open.
there are some attributes I do like about him. There's part of me excited to see him play this season, honestly.
...let's ride with that thought for a while. I'm anxious to see him play. We've seen a $#!+ ton of rookie QB's take their first snaps in the NFL. We're more experienced gauging rookie QB's than any fan base in the league. We can tell if they look unsure. If they don't go through progressions. If they're not aware of the play clock. If they seem overwhelmed. - 2 1/2 months 'til we're at Carolina for the 1st preseason game.
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