Tipster: Anderson will "get the nod" against Bengals
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finding a semi legit QB
Case in point.
No one wants one of those.
We want a fully legit, playoff ready QB.
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I don't think you are, but to be sure.... don't miss my point.
Putting in DA as a semi-legit QB shouldn't get anyone overly excited. If that's all he turns out to be (his trend is pointing this way) then that means we go from
wins with Quinn (the bust?) to <6 wins with DA (the erratic). Okay, a few more wins would be nice, but where are we for next year? The year after?I wanted to see Quinn because I hoped he might develop pretty quickly into a legit, playoff caliber QB. If that's gone....... ouch man.
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So what are you going to call it when DA just throws to guys who are triple covered resulting in picks.
Will you call it 'gee, he was checking down because no one can get open'.
Somehow, I don't think so.
I'll call it bad play...we will see on Sunday.
You will be rooting for DA to rip it up won't you???
I know you will Lem...I thought of erasing this as a cheap shot....but it really isn't....it does get a point across.
We have to get this thing fixed. Going to DA will either support BQ's troubles or turn the deal on him...
I don't want to turn it on BQ...but would rather that be the case over feeling it is because we have a bonehead coach and a entire team that sucks. Those will take longer to turn around over finding a semi legit QB
I'll call it bad play...we will see on Sunday.
You will be rooting for DA to rip it up won't you???
I know you will Lem...I thought of erasing this as a cheap shot....but it really isn't....it does get a point across.
We have to get this thing fixed. Going to DA will either support BQ's troubles or turn the deal on him...
I don't want to turn it on BQ...but would rather that be the case over feeling it is because we have a bonehead coach and a entire team that sucks. Those will take longer to turn around over finding a semi legit QB
No, I won't. While Quinn may not be our franchise QB, Anderson definitely isn't. Frankly, I don't want anyone xxxxing up a chance at us getting the #1 next year at this point. Not that it'll matter; we'll somehow screw that up anyhow - maybe by taking a right tackle.
Going to DA doesn't 'fix' a damn thing. It might 'win some games' but not enough to make us legit contenders, and it might buy Mangini 'some time'. After what I've seen from him, he doesn't need any more time.
After RACs 2nd year I wanted him GONE - he sucked and I knew it; you could see his teams weren't getting any better. Then he has a miracle year and gets an extension, and, instead of being stuck with him for another year, we got to watch the abortion that was last season.
I don't want Mangini to have the luxury. Let's get it over with NOW instead of screwing around for 2 or 3 more years to find out the guys that know what they are doing (Bill ,Holmgren, Cowher) are either not interested or working somewhere else.
I know you 'think' I love Brady Quinn, but I don't. I think he hasn't been given a fair shot and has been xxxxed with by two 'coaching' staffs now. Frankly, I really dislike Derek Anderson as a QB. I'll take Ratliff over watching DA throw games away and xxxxing laugh about it. xxxx him.
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I think he's starting DA because of the great game he had against the Bengals a couple years ago! ..........oh, wait.............nevermind!
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You will be rooting for DA to rip it up won't you???
I will be, just as I have on every Sunday he has started.
But I also will likely laugh my ass off on every pick, just like I did this past Sunday. Because with futility, at some point you have to laugh at it or it will drive you mad.
Masters said:
I will be, just as I have on every Sunday he has started.But I also will likely laugh my ass off on every pick, just like I did this past Sunday. Because with futility, at some point you have to laugh at it or it will drive you mad.
Fair enough....and my semi legit comment meant a little better than how you took it.
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Masters said:
I will be, just as I have on every Sunday he has started.But I also will likely laugh my ass off on every pick, just like I did this past Sunday. Because with futility, at some point you have to laugh at it or it will drive you mad.
Fair enough....and my semi legit comment meant a little better than how you took it.
Fair enough....and my semi legit comment meant a little better than how you took it.
I understood it. I just don't agree w/ the notion that DA is semi-legit starting QB in the NFL. You and I just have different scales or just view him differently.
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I would pay good money to see Shaun Rogers take snaps. I'm sure he can throw the ball for 3 yard passes just like BQ. Imagine a Qb sneak with him!
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DA is a legit starting QB but he has no legit effort asserting or speedy aggressive targets and is streaky at best..good for lots of laughs on a losing sunday and at least he can stretch the defense all by himself as long as daboll doesnt try to script him in unfortunately he cant speed down the field to catch his own passes that hit braylon on the back of the helm and bounce off for interceptions...
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I don't discount that point.
I really think it was a matter of having to play BQ so we could see once and for all.
Say we started DA and he played well...we still wouldn't know about BQ.
They had to get an answer on BQ and the only way to do that for sure was to play him game 1..
Baloney, you just discounted it again.
Believe what you want, but it was one of two things: Quinn impressed or DA was UNimpressive enough to lose his job in Magini's eyes. Doesn't mean he is/was right, but it does show what he thought.
The equation is rudimentary.
Baloney, you just discounted it again.
Believe what you want, but it was one of two things: Quinn impressed or DA was UNimpressive enough to lose his job in Magini's eyes. Doesn't mean he is/was right, but it does show what he thought.
The equation is rudimentary.
For weeks I read on this board, not sure if you specifically made that argument, but most of the Quinnbots did, that unless Anderson proves to be significantly better in preseason than Quinn, Quinn should get the job. Now suddenly the only reason Quinn got the job was he impressed Mangini or DA unimpressed him.
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@inspecta said:
What's really going to make us sick is watching Quinn go somewhere else and thrive with proper coaching and treatment...Like Charlie Frye? Give me a break.
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Baloney, you just discounted it again.
Believe what you want, but it was one of two things: Quinn impressed or DA was UNimpressive enough to lose his job in Magini's eyes. Doesn't mean he is/was right, but it does show what he thought.
The equation is rudimentary.
For weeks I read on this board, not sure if you specifically made that argument, but most of the Quinnbots did, that unless Anderson proves to be significantly better in preseason than Quinn, Quinn should get the job. Now suddenly the only reason Quinn got the job was he impressed Mangini or DA unimpressed him.
For weeks I read on this board, not sure if you specifically made that argument, but most of the Quinnbots did, that unless Anderson proves to be significantly better in preseason than Quinn, Quinn should get the job. Now suddenly the only reason Quinn got the job was he impressed Mangini or DA unimpressed him.
Things change when the entire team is the worst piece of shit you've ever seen play on a sunday.
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Baloney, you just discounted it again.
Believe what you want, but it was one of two things: Quinn impressed or DA was UNimpressive enough to lose his job in Magini's eyes. Doesn't mean he is/was right, but it does show what he thought.
The equation is rudimentary.
For weeks I read on this board, not sure if you specifically made that argument, but most of the Quinnbots did, that unless Anderson proves to be significantly better in preseason than Quinn, Quinn should get the job. Now suddenly the only reason Quinn got the job was he impressed Mangini or DA unimpressed him.
For weeks I read on this board, not sure if you specifically made that argument, but most of the Quinnbots did, that unless Anderson proves to be significantly better in preseason than Quinn, Quinn should get the job. Now suddenly the only reason Quinn got the job was he impressed Mangini or DA unimpressed him.
Um....that is pretty much the same thing in both of your statements.
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Personally, I think BQ will start.
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D&S, what's the difference?
If, indeed, Quinn is a 2.5 game flameout, how the HELL didn't DA "prove to be significantly better"?
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@danamal said:
Being a Cleveland Brown fan all my life this will happen to a certainty.An awful lot of our guys haven't gone on to 'great things'. I'm not expecting this to happen, but, then, we haven't had anyone mishandled quite like Quinn; I think Kam Wimbley comes pretty close, though.
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The biggest thing that bugs me in all of this, is no matter who gets the nod, Mangina has:
1. Screwed up with his first major decision as a HC
2. Lied to his entire team and the fans about, paraphrasing- "Not flip flopping or having a QB carousel once he picks his QB."
3. You just lost all trust from your players because you just threw one of them under the bus and says it all one guys fault! It's the SYSTEM Mangina!! Your other QB threw 3 INT's in 1 half! The Off system is not successful.
4. Quinn had 2 1/2 games of a new HC, new OC and new system...and that's all he gets to prove himself???? How in the hell can you judge a guy on 2 1/2 games? (Don't bother saying he's 1-5...completely differnt OC and system and team personnel AND he had a broken finger for 1 1/2 games of those last year.)
2 1/2 games!?!??? And he's yanked? Shit DA had 20+ games...and a run of what 8-10 games of poor play, but he kept going and going and going. Why does Quinn not get that same amount of time?
I think Jimmy Johnson was glad he didn't yank Troy Aikman after 2 1/2 games into their 1-15 season for Steve Walsh. How'd each of their careers pan out?
Or Flacco... he had 1 TD and 7 INTS in his first 3-4 games. He turned out pretty good didn't he?
Didn't Eli Manning go 0-4 in his first season? Not bad for a SB QB
Then, if we trade Quinn.... we will never know what might have been. 2 1/2 games? and we're judging this guys entire future career on TWO and a HALF games????
Just don't get it.....
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The biggest thing that bugs me in all of this, is no matter who gets the nod, Mangina has:
1. Screwed up with his first major decision as a HC
2. Lied to his entire team and the fans about, paraphrasing- "Not flip flopping or having a QB carousel once he picks his QB."
3. You just lost all trust from your players because you just threw one of them under the bus and says it all one guys fault! It's the SYSTEM Mangina!! Your other QB threw 3 INT's in 1 half! The Off system is not successful.
4. Quinn had 2 1/2 games of a new HC, new OC and new system...and that's all he gets to prove himself???? How in the hell can you judge a guy on 2 1/2 games? (Don't bother saying he's 1-5...completely differnt OC and system and team personnel AND he had a broken finger for 1 1/2 games of those last year.)
2 1/2 games!?!??? And he's yanked? Shit DA had 20+ games...and a run of what 8-10 games of poor play, but he kept going and going and going. Why does Quinn not get that same amount of time?
I think Jimmy Johnson was glad he didn't yank Troy Aikman after 2 1/2 games into their 1-15 season for Steve Walsh. How'd each of their careers pan out?
Or Flacco... he had 1 TD and 7 INTS in his first 3-4 games. He turned out pretty good didn't he?
Didn't Eli Manning go 0-4 in his first season? Not bad for a SB QB
Then, if we trade Quinn.... we will never know what might have been. 2 1/2 games? and we're judging this guys entire future career on TWO and a HALF games????
Just don't get it.....
The biggest thing that bugs me in all of this, is no matter who gets the nod, Mangina has:
1. Screwed up with his first major decision as a HC
2. Lied to his entire team and the fans about, paraphrasing- "Not flip flopping or having a QB carousel once he picks his QB."
3. You just lost all trust from your players because you just threw one of them under the bus and says it all one guys fault! It's the SYSTEM Mangina!! Your other QB threw 3 INT's in 1 half! The Off system is not successful.
4. Quinn had 2 1/2 games of a new HC, new OC and new system...and that's all he gets to prove himself???? How in the hell can you judge a guy on 2 1/2 games? (Don't bother saying he's 1-5...completely differnt OC and system and team personnel AND he had a broken finger for 1 1/2 games of those last year.)
2 1/2 games!?!??? And he's yanked? Shit DA had 20+ games...and a run of what 8-10 games of poor play, but he kept going and going and going. Why does Quinn not get that same amount of time?
I think Jimmy Johnson was glad he didn't yank Troy Aikman after 2 1/2 games into their 1-15 season for Steve Walsh. How'd each of their careers pan out?
Or Flacco... he had 1 TD and 7 INTS in his first 3-4 games. He turned out pretty good didn't he?
Then, if we trade Quinn.... we will never know what might have been. 2 1/2 games? and we're judging this guys entire future career on TWO and a HALF games????
Just don't get it.....
Sorry, but you obviously have not been reading since Mangini was hired, he never was a big Quinn fan. Quinn's problems are not in the mind, they are in his awfull throwing style. Amazing you can't get it yet.
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The biggest thing that bugs me in all of this, is no matter who gets the nod, Mangina has:
1. Screwed up with his first major decision as a HC
2. Lied to his entire team and the fans about, paraphrasing- "Not flip flopping or having a QB carousel once he picks his QB."
3. You just lost all trust from your players because you just threw one of them under the bus and says it all one guys fault! It's the SYSTEM Mangina!! Your other QB threw 3 INT's in 1 half! The Off system is not successful.
4. Quinn had 2 1/2 games of a new HC, new OC and new system...and that's all he gets to prove himself???? How in the hell can you judge a guy on 2 1/2 games? (Don't bother saying he's 1-5...completely differnt OC and system and team personnel AND he had a broken finger for 1 1/2 games of those last year.)
2 1/2 games!?!??? And he's yanked? Shit DA had 20+ games...and a run of what 8-10 games of poor play, but he kept going and going and going. Why does Quinn not get that same amount of time?
I think Jimmy Johnson was glad he didn't yank Troy Aikman after 2 1/2 games into their 1-15 season for Steve Walsh. How'd each of their careers pan out?
Or Flacco... he had 1 TD and 7 INTS in his first 3-4 games. He turned out pretty good didn't he?
Then, if we trade Quinn.... we will never know what might have been. 2 1/2 games? and we're judging this guys entire future career on TWO and a HALF games????
Just don't get it.....
Sorry, but you obviously have not been reading since Mangini was hired, he never was a big Quinn fan. Quinn's problems are not in the mind, they are in his awfull throwing style. Amazing you can't get it yet.
Sorry, but you obviously have not been reading since Mangini was hired, he never was a big Quinn fan. Quinn's problems are not in the mind, they are in his awfull throwing style. Amazing you can't get it yet.
Clearly you have evidence of Mangini saying this. Or at least implying it.
You do have evidence, right?
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Masters said:
I understood it. I just don't agree w/ the notion that DA is semi-legit starting QB in the NFL. You and I just have different scales or just view him differently.Oh.....I wasn't talking about DA...I agree...I don't think he is the answer.
I was talking about somebody....not sure who...just saying.
Between DA and Quinn, I take DA as he gives me a little more hope, but no...I wasn't talking about him.
Who is better...Laurel or Hardy, frick or frack, Bevis or Butthead??
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